Paying with a phone at any credit card swipe machine is incredibly nice. Works everywhere and people are always surprised when I pay with a phone at a regular terminal.
Nope. No breaching of road rules. Reread the example.
Re-read. You didn't stop even though you knew it was safe to do so.
How do you know it was safe to do so? Could have been someone tailgating. Could have been someone behind trying to beat the light.
I was specific in my example. You're entering an intersection with a green light and the light turns yellow. You know it's a long yellow. There is plenty of time to get through the rest of the intersection during the yellow just like EVERYONE DOES EVERY DAY. The other option is to slam on the brakes IN THE INTERSECTION which isn't safe.
Yes, I know there are knuckleheads that will argue anything and it looks like you're one of them. Vaya con Dios buddy.
never turn the radio on above a whisper, never carry on a conversation in person That is bollocks, why do you ask this?
Because the point was none of those example behaviors is necessarily bad, but a opposing lawyer can make it look like that was the overriding factor in an accident that wasn't your fault.
And the argumentative side of me want's to say no, you weren't clear at all in your example. All you said was you were driving on a green and it turned yellow, no mention of how far away from the intersection you were or if you could safely stop. The only detail you provided was you that know the light stays yellow for a long time
I said "Let's say you were driving your car into an intersection, have a green arrow, and saw the light turn yellow."
Looks clear to me
You were driving into an intersection with a green light and you saw it turn yellow. I mentioned a "long yellow" so people would know there was plenty of time to drive through the intersection.
So you're saying, "I could have safely stopped for the yellow light, but since I know it's a long yellow I decided I could beat it." Along with all of the other "bad stuff" you mention, not driving defensively, poor hand placement, loud music, distracted driving, are all choices you make.
Nope. There is no "beating" the yellow light. I was clear in my example. The light was green when you started in the intersection. Are you telling me that you're one of those people that will slam on the brakes at the first sign of a yellow light? Yes, I'm sure you will reply to some different scenario that the one I'm suggesting.
I'm sure that you always have both hands at 10 & 2 (even during turns so kudos on that by the way), never coast through an intersection, immediately slam on the brakes when the light turns yellow no matter how close you are to the light, never have the radio on, never talk on the phone, never eat or drink in the car, never have a pet in the car, never bring your kids along, or do anything else while driving. I'm sure you never speed (not even 1 mile over or coast while going downhill), never turn the radio on above a whisper, never carry on a conversation in person or on the phone, always stay in the right lane, and so on. Well, congratulations because you're the only one.
Before you think I'm going overboard, reread your reply and you put yourself on that pedestal.
Your argument is basically, if I get in an accident I don't want my car to tell the judge if I fucked up.
Nope. My argument is that the driver didn't do anything wrong, but a lawyer can and will argue that he did. If you would get off that delusional and self righteous horse, you could see that.
You are driving into the intersection and the light changes yellow. Got that? You're IN the intersection. The safe course of action is to keep going because the light just turned yellow, you KNOW it's a long yellow, the guy behind you is going as well, so it would be stupid to slam on the brakes & hope to stop near the brake line.
But a lawyer will argue the opposite because it's their job to do so.
The point is you didn't fuck up but a lawyer can pour over the logs and make it look like you did.
It allows you to obtain 6 regular size hamburgers, or 12 sliders, from a horse without killing the animal. George Foreman is still considering it. Sharper Image is still considering it. Sky Mall's considering it. Hammacher Schlemer is still considering it.
If a driver has done "nothing wrong" then the driver has nothing to worry about, right? But what does "nothing wrong" mean?
Let's say you were driving your car into an intersection, have a green arrow, and saw the light turn yellow. You've been driving this road for decades, so you know it's a long yellow light. You don't brake because you had the arrow and you hit the front corner of a car on the other side of the intersection turning right.
Now, the physical evidence points 100% to the other driver's error. But you drive a tesla and the case goes to court.
The other lawyer subpoenas your car's logs and finds out a few things. You didn't brake going into the intersection, you didn't brake before you hit the other car, you had only one hand on the wheel when you were going straight, you were holding the wheel with two fingers of your right hand at the 5 oclock position, you had the radio playing loudly or you were on a phone call while the accident happened. Now imagine if the lawyer subpoenas your previous tesla logs?
See what I mean? You may have done nothing wrong and couldn't have prevented the accident, but the logs could show something different.
I was talking about the data obtained and how it was obtained. I was specifically responding to "If the statistics are biased (as in, mathematically, not subjectively), then the AI will be as well."
If you're saying the problems that the data revealed need to be fixed, sure.
One of the best things about Amazon is the "Will ship today if ordered in XX hours" time guarantee. Buying something from eBay doesn't guarantee when it'll ship & when it'll arrive.
Some data is recorded on the car, but nothing like the Tesla. It has sensors & diagnostic data for just about everything. It even has sensors on the steering wheel, and I'm willing to bet it records where the drivers hands are on the wheel and how many fingers are used to grasp the wheel.
Imagine going to court, you're on the stand, and the opposing lawyer says "This data proves you had only 2 fingers of your left hand on the wheel. How did you expect to control the car driving that way?"
That's the thing about the Tesla drivers don't realize. There is no more "He said, she said" with a Tesla. That car will tattletale every single little detail and if the driver is at fault then it'll be known for the world to see.
Companies that do this know that there will be some customers that use a little data, some that use a lot of data, and some that abuse the shit out of the offer. So they cancel the deal rather than deal with the abusers.
If these companies know that they will only offer "unlimited" for a year a two, then why do it? Unless they think that a customer will be trapped after uploading their data and won't want to spend the time uploading it all again.
I won't be upgrading my plan and will probably be going with backblaze for my backups.
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Paying with a phone at any credit card swipe machine is incredibly nice. Works everywhere and people are always surprised when I pay with a phone at a regular terminal.
Nope. No breaching of road rules. Reread the example.
Re-read. You didn't stop even though you knew it was safe to do so.
How do you know it was safe to do so? Could have been someone tailgating. Could have been someone behind trying to beat the light.
I was specific in my example. You're entering an intersection with a green light and the light turns yellow. You know it's a long yellow. There is plenty of time to get through the rest of the intersection during the yellow just like EVERYONE DOES EVERY DAY. The other option is to slam on the brakes IN THE INTERSECTION which isn't safe.
Yes, I know there are knuckleheads that will argue anything and it looks like you're one of them. Vaya con Dios buddy.
You've been driving this road for decades, so you know it's a long yellow light. You don't brake
So you breached the road rules by not stopping since it was safe to do so.
Nope. No breaching of road rules. Reread the example.
Why Tesla? Cars have had black boxes for the best part of a decade.
Not like the Tesla. That's the point.
never turn the radio on above a whisper, never carry on a conversation in person
That is bollocks, why do you ask this?
Because the point was none of those example behaviors is necessarily bad, but a opposing lawyer can make it look like that was the overriding factor in an accident that wasn't your fault.
And the argumentative side of me want's to say no, you weren't clear at all in your example. All you said was you were driving on a green and it turned yellow, no mention of how far away from the intersection you were or if you could safely stop. The only detail you provided was you that know the light stays yellow for a long time
I said "Let's say you were driving your car into an intersection, have a green arrow, and saw the light turn yellow."
Looks clear to me
You were driving into an intersection with a green light and you saw it turn yellow. I mentioned a "long yellow" so people would know there was plenty of time to drive through the intersection.
So you're saying, "I could have safely stopped for the yellow light, but since I know it's a long yellow I decided I could beat it." Along with all of the other "bad stuff" you mention, not driving defensively, poor hand placement, loud music, distracted driving, are all choices you make.
Nope. There is no "beating" the yellow light. I was clear in my example. The light was green when you started in the intersection. Are you telling me that you're one of those people that will slam on the brakes at the first sign of a yellow light? Yes, I'm sure you will reply to some different scenario that the one I'm suggesting.
I'm sure that you always have both hands at 10 & 2 (even during turns so kudos on that by the way), never coast through an intersection, immediately slam on the brakes when the light turns yellow no matter how close you are to the light, never have the radio on, never talk on the phone, never eat or drink in the car, never have a pet in the car, never bring your kids along, or do anything else while driving. I'm sure you never speed (not even 1 mile over or coast while going downhill), never turn the radio on above a whisper, never carry on a conversation in person or on the phone, always stay in the right lane, and so on. Well, congratulations because you're the only one.
Before you think I'm going overboard, reread your reply and you put yourself on that pedestal.
Your argument is basically, if I get in an accident I don't want my car to tell the judge if I fucked up.
Nope. My argument is that the driver didn't do anything wrong, but a lawyer can and will argue that he did. If you would get off that delusional and self righteous horse, you could see that.
You are driving into the intersection and the light changes yellow. Got that? You're IN the intersection. The safe course of action is to keep going because the light just turned yellow, you KNOW it's a long yellow, the guy behind you is going as well, so it would be stupid to slam on the brakes & hope to stop near the brake line.
But a lawyer will argue the opposite because it's their job to do so.
The point is you didn't fuck up but a lawyer can pour over the logs and make it look like you did.
It allows you to obtain 6 regular size hamburgers, or 12 sliders, from a horse without killing the animal. George Foreman is still considering it. Sharper Image is still considering it. Sky Mall's considering it. Hammacher Schlemer is still considering it.
Sears said, 'No'.
Well, yes and no.
If a driver has done "nothing wrong" then the driver has nothing to worry about, right? But what does "nothing wrong" mean?
Let's say you were driving your car into an intersection, have a green arrow, and saw the light turn yellow. You've been driving this road for decades, so you know it's a long yellow light. You don't brake because you had the arrow and you hit the front corner of a car on the other side of the intersection turning right.
Now, the physical evidence points 100% to the other driver's error. But you drive a tesla and the case goes to court.
The other lawyer subpoenas your car's logs and finds out a few things. You didn't brake going into the intersection, you didn't brake before you hit the other car, you had only one hand on the wheel when you were going straight, you were holding the wheel with two fingers of your right hand at the 5 oclock position, you had the radio playing loudly or you were on a phone call while the accident happened. Now imagine if the lawyer subpoenas your previous tesla logs?
See what I mean? You may have done nothing wrong and couldn't have prevented the accident, but the logs could show something different.
I said it before here https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10765687&cid=54657685 and I'll say it again.
There is no more "he said/she said" with a Tesla. That car will tell investigators everything.
If you get into an accident driving one, everything you did is logged and will be submitted into court if it goes that far.
I was talking about the data obtained and how it was obtained. I was specifically responding to "If the statistics are biased (as in, mathematically, not subjectively), then the AI will be as well."
If you're saying the problems that the data revealed need to be fixed, sure.
This is a societal problem that needs to be fixed at the societal level.
There is no problem.
People build a tool that has no concept of bias.
The tool shows results that some people don't want to admit.
The tool has to be racist and sexist.
Now people will BUILD IN race and sex rules to counteract unbiased decisions.
So now the tool is racist and sexist.
People are stupid.
but I'm going to enjoy watching this.
I don't like, I'm going to say "fuck it" and link them anyways.
so the computer can understand what meat is.
What a douche. No wonder you replied as AC. Only a troll would understand that as "Three feet deep."
You're replaced with machines.
Actually, going underwater after a few feet is infinitely more dangerous than space.
The earth has been pummeled with catastrophic meteor strikes for billions of years.
One of the best things about Amazon is the "Will ship today if ordered in XX hours" time guarantee.
Buying something from eBay doesn't guarantee when it'll ship & when it'll arrive.
Some data is recorded on the car, but nothing like the Tesla. It has sensors & diagnostic data for just about everything. It even has sensors on the steering wheel, and I'm willing to bet it records where the drivers hands are on the wheel and how many fingers are used to grasp the wheel.
Imagine going to court, you're on the stand, and the opposing lawyer says "This data proves you had only 2 fingers of your left hand on the wheel. How did you expect to control the car driving that way?"
That's the thing about the Tesla drivers don't realize. There is no more "He said, she said" with a Tesla. That car will tattletale every single little detail and if the driver is at fault then it'll be known for the world to see.
and he's 100% correct. That back button is nice.
If your house burns down, what good is that backup drive next to your computer?
Or as Francis Ford Coppola learned, putting the backup drive next to the computer isn't the smartest thing when a thief simply steals both.
Offsite storage is critical for data recovery.
Companies that do this know that there will be some customers that use a little data, some that use a lot of data, and some that abuse the shit out of the offer. So they cancel the deal rather than deal with the abusers.
If these companies know that they will only offer "unlimited" for a year a two, then why do it? Unless they think that a customer will be trapped after uploading their data and won't want to spend the time uploading it all again.
I won't be upgrading my plan and will probably be going with backblaze for my backups.