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Mozilla Employee Denied Entry To the United States (gizmodo.com)
Reader Artem Tashkinov writes: Daniel Stenberg, an employee at Mozilla and the author of the command-line tool curl, was not allowed to board his flight to the meeting from Sweden—despite the fact that he'd previously obtained a visa waiver allowing him to travel to the US. Stenberg was unable to check in for his flight, and was notified at the airport ticket counter that his entry to the US had been denied. Although Mozilla doesn't believe that the incident is related to Trump's travel ban, the incident stirred fears among international tech workers, who fear they'll miss out on work and research opportunities if they're not allowed to travel to the US. The situation even caught the eye of Microsoft's chief legal officer Brad Smith, who tweeted at Stenberg to offer legal assistance.
As the US moves towards isolation and protectionism with both its immigration and tariff plans, it may turn into another hermit kingdom clone of DPRK and you could see states like Russia or China move to preeminence in world affairs, with Trump presiding over a culturally homogeneous but irrelevant and poverty stricken country.
I don't like, I'm going to say "fuck it" and link them anyways.
So he's traveling from Sweden, which has nothing to do with the travel ban. So why does the article keep mentioning the travel ban?
My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
The wireless alliance I belong to had a meeting 6 years ago in Canada. A Mexican worker who lived in the USA, who repeatedly asked before hand if there would be any issue, was denied entry. We haven't had a meeting in Canada since.
When you consider the major cost to events like these is the time of the engineers, hassles like missing key people or having to scramble to get a 3rd implementer of feature X suddenly cost more than flying to a nice country where the immigration isn't a bunch of assholes. Cuba would be nice if they had better internet.
Since this about the inventor of the curl, this is obviously a slap in the face to Arnold Schwarzenegger by the Trump administration.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/24/schwarzenegger-and-macron-vow-make-planet-great-ag/
The author of curl denied entry by airport employees that were informed...probably by curl. Think about it.
Must be a random mistake, someone misspelled a name or something, because this is a white person, not a brown person.
Everyone knows that the government of my United States hates brown people.</extreme_disgust>
Just wait until they're done with the brown (and darker people); they'll start divvying up the white people. Then everyone will see who and what the hell they voted for.
Humans! They ruin everything!
Why does he need a visa to visit the US for a business meeting? Does the US no longer accept Swedish passports? It sounds like Mozilla and Stenberg messed up.
Modern app appers know that ONLY apps can app apps, and this LUDDITE programmer who wrote LUDDITE curl was banned by appy Appald Trump because only apps can be apped in the United Apps of Apperica!
Apps!
So, will Mozilla (and other multinational organisations) stop holding their all employee meetings in the USA and instead choose a place with a better admissions policy?
Come on, Americans: time to get on an international flight to meet up with the world, instead of us having to run the CBP gauntlet every time.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled"
I'm going with a low level employee in the visa waiver checking department (Section 7G?) who had a long queue of waivers and wanted to go out to Joe's going away lunch. They either came back buzzed from a few beers or checked "DENY" on all the visas in the queue so they wouldn't miss the lunch.
This country is going to hell in a handbasket, and it's not all Trump's fault (though he's certainly doing his part). Can you imagine today's USA putting forth the kind of effort and sacrifice that won WWII? Well, aside from the fact that we have very little heavy manufacturing capability any more, and not nearly enough engineers or skilled craftspeople. Unless, of course, WWIII is a videogame war. Then we'd be all set.
Is there anybody else calling curl "the curl"? I am honestly curious.
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
He should've flown via Berlin. The airport is such a mess, nobody bothered to check my ESTA, and I also didn't go through *any* security checks during my layover there.
Would that be the barbell curl or the dumbbell curl?
Look back up at my post, now look back down, you're on the Internet. Now look back up. I'm a signature.
People who are intolerant towards other peoples and their culture, and the Dutch.
Yeah, obscure reference, but it's about as relevant as this is to the Travel Ban.
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The nutty Republican base loves Trump's travel bans. Any Republican Congressman who stands against the ban is gonna get his ass thrown out.
He will be painted as someone who is weak on security - allowed the Muslim terrorists in - and unAmerican.
That's how they roll because it works.
Only Canada is a visa-free country with respect to the US. Visitors from Europe need a visa, but it can be "waived" in many cases when it is obvious that the person would have been granted a visa. A waiver can be denied for many benign reasons. In that case, he just needs to apply for a visa.
My guess is that this is either employment related (i.e., they are concerned that he is carrying out paid work in the US on a visitor visa), or that it is some legal issue on the Swedish side.
Perfect unix. One job and does it well.
Saved my career on many occasions.
For those who don't know curl is open source command line tool for doing http (s) requests.
Not in narrow scope, but the broader idea of keeping valuable and useful people out of a country is part of the same fear-driven dysfunction.
I know, the idea that individuals who have something to contribute should be let in and individuals who want to participate in crime directly or indirectly (welfare) should be kept out is too radical for most politicos to handle.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
Exactly was is this meeting that it warrants being called 'the meeting'. Sounds like a boondoggle anyway.
Unless that guy has the most Jewish and Western European sounding name ever for a citizen of Iran, Iraq and the other countries on the ban, it's not related. Citizens of about 40 countries, including the vast majority of European countries, are allowed visa free travel to the USA. Apparently we now make citizens of those countries apply for an ESTA which basically is advance approval that they'll be allowed into the US. This system should avoid the problem of having people fly into the US and being denied entry at the airport. Nobody wants that. Stenberg's ESTA was denied but for privacy reasons nobody can comment on why. It could be a mistake. It could be that he did something that raised the ire of the US government (maybe he has a lot of friends in a country the USA doesn't like). Maybe he's very anti-US on social media. Don't know. I wish his lawyers luck. Yeah. Having a lawyer fight this is totally going to be successful (sarcasm there). Eventually it will come out what his problem is. Don't be surprised if, for example, he's been a complete jerk on social media towards the USA or somebody in the government and it came back to haunt him.
In case you wanted to avoid the Russian colony down in the USA.
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We don't need fruity euro techies here. We are going to all have jobs in clean coal!
Is there anybody else calling curl "the curl"? I am honestly curious.
If you're being serious...
https://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/detail/view/name/concentration-curls
Otherwise, WOOSH!
Get past all the political mumbo jumbo that has nothing to do with the situation and read the last sentence, which comes from a Customs and Border Protection spokesperson: "“Please know that we process 1.2 million people every day—around 700 are denied entry for various reasons. Having an approved ESTA does [not] guarantee a foreign national free entry into the US All travelers including those coming from visa waiver countries must clear all 60 grounds of inadmissibility.”
So, this guy is one of 700 people who are daily denied entry for NOTHING related to Trump's travel ban, but because he has a Twitter account and is a Mozilla employee, "AHHHH!!! TRUMP TRAVEL BAN!!! AHHHH!!! IT'S GOING TO GET EVERYBODY!!! AHHHH!"
In other news, water is wet.
Block the download of Mozilla software to Americans. See how fast they react, oh wait everyone is using Chrome now because Firefox threw away its XUL extension user base.
I mean, how else would you get geeky pseudointellectuals to fling their pointless comments around so vigorously?
Would that be the barbell curl or the dumbbell curl?
Beats me. I use a machine at the gym.
Someone googled him, found out about the curl connection, googled curl and found out "curl | sudo" is a security risk. NO SECURITY RISKS ENTER ON MY WATCH. (yes, this is sarcasm)
While there are a whole lot of reasons that come to mind, "person without work permit entering US and receiving cash or cash equivalents" has and probably will prevent people entering. Happens at the Canadian border, and I suspect most borders. Solution in this case is to have documentation about the purpose of the trip of an official nature that would pass scrutiny. Even then, there's a stochastic element as a "week party in SF" strikes some as a $$ benefit...
That's a weak argument. NO Green Party member would have voted for Clinton, ever. The DNC should have fielded a better candidate. As for the article, as much as people want to complain. traveling to the US is not a right. You can be denied entry for pretty much any reason.
Try the free weights. I used to be the same way. Just used the machines. I noticed my strength eventually capped out. I moved onto free weights and have noticed real nice gains. The reason free weights are better is because they work your auxiliary muscles. Machines just focus certain groups. While free weights work the whole area and then some.
Look it up if you'd like. I know this is anecdotal, but I've had countless talks with people at the gym who know there stuff, I've even researched it myself a bit. Lots of info out there on the topic at hand.
Now machine weights are good for starting out, but eventually you will want to switch to free weights.
Sorry for the couple typos, at work taking a shit ;) rushing to post.
whoosh yourself. Here is what "the curl" means:
In vector calculus, the curl is a vector operator that describes the infinitesimal rotation of a 3-dimensional vector field. At every point in the field, the curl of that point is represented by a vector. The attributes of this vector (length and direction) characterize the rotation at that point.
I never heard "the curl" when talking about curl training.
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
Putting two and two together says you are a fucking loon. lol xD
He probably supported California's Proposition 8 with a donation or something
Trump's message is clear to the international community. The United States does not want to work with the international community. Time for the world to leave the US to the isolation it appears to want..
The word I got to confirm this was "repress"
Would that be the barbell curl or the dumbbell curl?
Beats me. I use a machine at the gym.
Your gym has a snack machine too?
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Welcome to another liberal tent city. This one has been named Slashdot.
as much as people want to complain. traveling to the US is not a right.
I don't think many people are arguing that these travel restrictions are illegal, just that they are stupid and counterproductive. My company has offices in San Jose and Shanghai. Since our employees in China have difficulty getting visas to come to America for meetings and conferences, the Americans go to Shanghai instead, putting money into the Chinese economy, eating at Chinese restaurants, and staying at Chinese hotels.
Since American employees incur these additional travel expenses, we are more biased toward hiring in China instead.
No country has ever thrived by shutting itself off from the world.
Anyway, I am going to Shanghai in July for 3 months, and my family is going with me. We plan to spend plenty of American dollars trying every new restaurant on Nanjing Road, all at company expense (tax deductible). Thank you Donald Trump!
Not relevant if you think he was denied some reason other than Trump's travel ban, but if Trump was the cause, Stein's involvement is documented. She was actively recruited by Flynn and Russians. Check the lovely photo
A lot of anti-American spin on this site lately. I suspect the editors are foreigners who hate America out of sheer jealously.
Its actually hard to find any accusation of Trump that isn't easily debunked as 100% false by the people making the claims themselves.
Ok... here's one for you.. Trump through Trump University committed Fraud.
Please notice how Trump went to trial and the court found in his favor.
Sure. And US citizens can be denied entry in any country too. But that's not how the world works, right?
Your gym has a snack machine too?
Not my current gym. The gym I went to before had a snack bar. Smoothies with fresh fruit and whey powder were quite popular.
That's right, Martian thinks if you voted for Trump your vote shouldn't be counted. Democracy is only allowed if you vote Martian's way.
I just took GP's post to be about theorizing why Congress was acting a certain way, not that it was good or bad of them to do so.
1,457,213 people voted for Jill Stein.
Of that number, 879,105 voted for her in states that Hillary won.
So over 60% of Jill Stein's votes could have gone to Hillary, and it would not have changed the outcome.
Try again.
That's right, Martian thinks if you voted for Trump your vote shouldn't be counted.
Trump is a clown. Hence, the circus. If you like clowns and circuses, you should be happy.
You don't seem happy, but I don't see how that is anyone's fault but your own.
The DNC should have fielded a better candidate.
1. The "DNC" chose their candidate about as much as Russia chose our president. Democratic voters "fielded" their candidate. By a big majority.
2. You're obviously not talking "better" as in qualifications, you're talking about someone who gave voters the warm fuzzy feelings. Sure, Hillary did not. Speaking as a democrat who voted for Hillary in the primary, I'm very sorry I overestimated the average voter. No sarcasm, I can't fathom what I was thinking at the time. I guess I thought if the country willingly voted for a black dude twice they'd be capable of voting for a competent woman instead of a reality TV show host who has declared bankruptcy many times? My kids and I are going to be paying the price for that blunder. Next time I'll be sure to vote in the primary for whatever white dude I think will be the least offensive to the hick states and hope he picks competent people to actually do shit.
Trump is against the TPP, about the only positive for either him and Clinton.
Where did I say that? What I'm saying is that the other branches of government are doing the job they were intended to do; which is act as a check on the Executive. Your problem isn't with me, it's with Madison, Jefferson et al who were the ones that knew there would be Presidents good and bad, and created a system with the specific intent to limit them.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
But the other 40% may well have changed the outcome. And those 60% spent months spreading the idea that the other 40% shouldn't vote for 'the lesser of 2 evils' and denying the obvious facts that that 'lesser evil' was essentially for most of the Sanders/Stein platform - and could've won and enacted at least some of it.
Look, a binary choice may not be the best form of Democracy, but in our system, that's essentially what we have. However it happened, 'the greater of 2 evils' got elected, a hard-right ideologue got onto the Supreme Court, and we may well lose a once in a lifetime chance to eliminate anti-democratic nonsense like gerrymandered districts. And Citizens United is now locked in for the next generation.
Stein voters had their reasons. Stupid, self-defeating ones, but hey...
Posted from my Android phone. Oh, I can change this? There, that's better...
Well, the DNC sure didn't help Sanders. Locking his campaign out of fundraising data it should have had access to for a few days there was lovely. What other internal politics didn't we hear about that contributed to the Coronation? I also wonder who decided to sick #BLM on Sanders?
Also, this bullcrap about the electoral college. Seems to me that states where Sanders won flopped and went for Trump. I don't think the DNC or Hillary's campaign were correctly playing the electoral college game.
In the end, I voted for Hillary as well.
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I think that problem is that America just isn't ready for a Lizard Person-American as president yet. There are a lot of things that people don't understand very well about the lizard people, and I initially had some of the same misapprehensions when I voted for Sanders in the primary. For example, Hillary is a natural born citizen just like you or me, even if she's of Thubani heritage. That's one of the things that makes America great, imo. Whether one's ancestors are from thousands of miles away across an ocean or hundreds of light years away across a star ocean, we're all Americans together.
To paraphrase Chancellor Gorkon, I see that our two species have a long way to go.
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we may well lose a once in a lifetime chance to eliminate anti-democratic nonsense like gerrymandered districts
Yes, more Federalism is exactly what we need.
Which means he's a Mozlem.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
My company has offices in San Jose and Shanghai. Since our employees in China have difficulty getting visas to come to America for meetings and conferences, the Americans go to Shanghai instead
You do realize that setting up a video conference would greatly reduce your travel costs and still allow you to meet with you counterparts in China?
It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.
Machines are (sometimes!) good for people with very high strength & development that want to zero in on a particular muscle group heavily, but primarily, they're for lifting virgins who have never lifted a day in their lives, and might hurt themselves if they tried with free weights.
Otherwise, you are better served using dumbbells and barbells (throw in a few kettlebells, too!), as lifting free weights recruits stabilizer muscles and makes you work harder. Plus, machines are one-size-fits-all, so it's likely that your range of motion will not be as good with a machine as it is with free weights. Plus, you have to pay attention to your form, not just sit there all sloppy and let the machine's guides and safety features do all the work for you.
Just sayin', creimer.
Not relevant if you think he was denied some reason other than Trump's travel ban, but if Trump was the cause,
And if LRH was the cause, it was because Stenberg's body Thetans were disruptive and blocking his state of clear. This was all documented in the Green Book. It's a miracle the guy got out of the airport before the Sea Org agents scooped him up as a suppressive person and took him to The Camp.
FAKE NEWS!
All the "journalists" are doing it these days.
He's a lying narcissistic psychopath. There's no debunking that.
We are in the Post Truth age where everything is Trump's fault, even when they admit it isn't Trump's fault it still is.
Also visible on CNN where they all admit that Russia and Trump didn't work together, but liberals keep watching so they keep lying. Yep, liberals are unable to determine lies from truth and prefer the lies.
Interesting job rewriting history in favor of your chosen candidate you've done there. Speaking as someone who fervently hoped neither Clinton nor Trump would become president (And I wonder about the brainpower of my fellow citizens in voting for either. The excuse I'm frequently given is "you have to vote for one of the two, because one of them is going to win."), the DNC certainly tipped the scales to Clinton against the wishes of the primary voters.
To quote: "Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, abruptly said she was resigning after a trove of leaked emails showed party officials conspiring to sabotage the campaign of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont."
This according to that bastion of right wing ideology, the NYT (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/us/politics/debbie-wasserman-schultz-dnc-wikileaks-emails.html).
Good for you, snowflake.
Sounds like sore loser talk there... I voted for Trump based on the available choices. I'm not proud of it, nor am I ashamed. It is what it is.
Having said that, the guy hasn't filed thru on promises, has not become more presidential, and had continued to alienate his base rather than come up on promises to try and unify our broken country.
He's a moron. So we move on as a country and try to make the best of it while working on the future...
Too many people, including those very cost to me, spend their entire existence hating now rather than living their lives. It's sad...
Is also very sore loser'ish.
Had lying Hillary won (great reference by the way, even though Trump is the one who pushed it) I don't think we'd see the same from Trump voters.
Sure, there would be the outliers, but in general it's the liberals who naively thought that they were the superior ones, who cannot carbon they all others don't think like them. It is full of arrogance, and hyperbole to think that way.
Can't stand a lot of the things trumps doing, but if the election were held tomorrow, she the candidates were the same, I'd probably do it again.
Trump is brash and arrogant, but he loves the country in his own twisted way. Hillary tried to divide Americans, control what we could and couldn't say and do, and wanted to make America the global thought police.
Trump sucks ass and acts emotionally and childishly. I don't have a lot of good things to say about him other than he isn't Hillary, and at Americans we again have some control over our destiny.
Now is the time to make plans for the next election, and based on current progress, the democrats are going to blow it again unfortunately.
Is sad...
Libtards gotta libtard. These morons are conditioned by agenda driven outlets like CNN, BBC, NBC, and despite being caught week after week fabricating "news", the libturds ignore the admissions and whistle-blowers and blindly carry on with their hate campaign.
competent
Assuming a lot there...
You do realize that setting up a video conference would greatly reduce your travel costs
You do realize that using video conferencing instead of face-to-face collaboration doesn't work near as well in practice as it does in theory?
If Skype was a perfect substitute for commuting, the highways of Silicon Valley would be empty every morning.
Keep him out until Firefox stops getting stuck in some kind of processing loop and crashing. I'm getting REALLY sick of that.
You do realize that setting up a video conference would greatly reduce your travel costs and still allow you to meet with you counterparts in China?
That depends entirely on the meeting. Video conferences are good for some very basic meetings. Yet there's a world of things that technology just won't change. Strong inter-company relationships aren't made over a video screen. They aren't even made in a meeting room. They're made at the coffee machine, they are made at the dinner table, in the bar, while walking to the car.
My company not only has a policy that specific things need to be face to face, but also a policy of a group outing somewhere when they happen. There's a good reason for it too. Knowing someone on a personal level helps a lot on the work level too.
Not every company counts pennies, some invest in themselves.
Also, this bullcrap about the electoral college. Seems to me that states where Sanders won flopped and went for Trump. I don't think the DNC or Hillary's campaign were correctly playing the electoral college game.
The electoral college is a necessary compromise. It's the same compromise which gave all states equal voice in the Senate while more populous states get a louder voice in Congress. As long as states have a winner-take-all mentality, something like the electoral college is needed. My personal proposal is that there are 2 votes representing the entire state, then 1 vote decided by voters in each congressional district. Of course, the US Constitution gives states the right and obligation to handle elections (determine polling positions, determine how to divvy the electoral votes, etc).
This exactly. Lifting smart means only using machines as supplementary exercises, or better yet not using them at all.
This is why many tech firms provide free on-campus lunches. When random employees share a meal, the conversation often leads to sharing of ideas and opportunities for collaboration.
You should look up the statistics of who voted for whom, you'd be shocked at how many non-hicks voted for not-Hillary.
Two demographics voted for Clinton: the young and the poor
Actually, considering that Gorsuch replaced Scalia, the court might be considered as having moved slightly towards the center.
America will do everyone else a favor by boosting software development outside of America.
What could go wrong? less nsa, fbi, csi control and encryption weakening, more diverse culture, other currencies. ux will be less boxed etc etc
as much as people want to complain. traveling to the US is not a right.
I don't think many people are arguing that these travel restrictions are illegal, just that they are stupid and counterproductive.
Then WHY did they haul this issue into court multiple times? A LOT of people are/were making the "this is illegal" argument, especially in the press and on the left side of the isle. I don't figure Woppie Goldberg speaks for the majority, but she does represent a lot of people and SHE was making this claim.
Oh my god, you are so full of cliches. How do you sleep at night, without Debbie Wasserman Schultz dictating what position to lie in?
You want one of two evils? I want neither of two evils, yet I'm the bad one. And what you consider more evil is sick; you would rather support the enabler of a rapist, rather than a blowhard that has a foul mouth.
Then you follow it up with gerrymandering,as if only one party does that. So priceless. And heaven forbid people form a group for political discourse without the government having a hand in it somehow. Do you want Trump telling you how to freely associate? No? Yet you want to tell me how to. Lesser evil indeed.
Although Mozilla doesn't believe that the incident is related to Trump's travel ban, the incident stirred fears...
Oh come on.... we can't cry about the real ban... let's look for an unrelated FAKE NEWS story to compare it to.
5 out of 6 people enjoy Russian Roulette & 6 out of 7 Dwarfs are not Happy
You are not a typical Trump voter... Most of us understand that he's actually doing a bang up job in the face of a UGE headwind provided by the media and the press...
In fact, I'm not so sure you actually ARE a Trump voter.... Most of us understood who he was BEFORE he won the primaries, he wasn't hiding it at all and he was very clear that he wasn't going to change. He hasn't. He wasn't my first choice but I'd vote for him again over ANY democratic challenger (Assuming the democrats don't swing hard right and forsake their base). I'm the typical Trump voter, and I'm NOT giving up on him yet.
Could he do something that would change my mind? Sure.. However, I don't see that being very likely and I'm NOT going to take the media's word for it (especially the "Fake News" known as CNN or the comedy shows on MSNBC).
With the above... I'm pretty sure that YOU really are NOT a Trump voter. I could be wrong, but I'd seriously doubt your claims otherwise..
And Citizens United is now locked in for the next generation
It should be locked in forever The idea that people do not have the same rights when acting in concert as they do when acting alone is abhorrent, and that's exactly what you're saying when you talk about stifling "corporate speech."
From that point of view, the New York Times should not enjoy the freedom of the press. It's nonsensical.
Yes, there are absolutely problems with money in politics. Stifling speech doesn't fix those.
What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
Then WHY did they haul this issue into court multiple times?
Those are DIFFERENT restrictions, aimed at keeping muslims out, not Swedes. Those were almost certainly illegal, especially since Donald tweeted that they were specifically aimed at muslims, contradicting his own staff who had claimed otherwise. Multiple courts have declared them illegal, and SCOTUS will hear the case soon, and will likely find at least some of the restrictions illegal.
There's nothing Stenberg can do that an American can't do, and do better. I'm very happy to see foreign tech workers being blocked entry to the USA.
INS has a lot of latitude in how they interpret and enforce existing laws. They have a number of places they look to for guidance, and the president is likely the largest. Trump is looking for statistics that show he is 'making a difference'. Cost to the economy doesn't appear to be a factor at all, only appearances.
One example I've seen recently is that my wife's company had a Mexican field support engineer denied entry recently, despite having a visa that was valid for his purpose (training). It sounds like he probably described the purpose for his visit incorrectly (along the lines of "I'm going to do some work for my US employer", exactly as he has for many entries over more than a decade, but which is not generally allowed on this visa), so the denial is not totally unreasonable, yet it points to immigration people who are currently looking for reasons to deny entry rather than looking for reasons to allow entry.
And appealing these decisions is difficult to the point of being almost impossible. This engineer may not ever be allowed into the US again under any VISA.
Was Jill Stein a Russian plant when she ran the first time in 2012? If so, does that mean that Romney and Putin were colluding, too?
However, this is how the field is striped sir... You don't like to play by the rules, especially when you lose.
Democrats are loosing ground because of their advocated policies, not because the rascals on the other side of the isle are drawing your side out of the precinct maps. How do I know? Because, you are losing seats in elections which are state wide too, governors, senators, president...
Surely you see that your problems run deeper than what gerrymandering can account for..
USA seems to be closed for business? Time to setup shop elsewhere, maybe in Canada - then some of the smart US business minds could meet with those from Europe and elsewhere in a safe country.
I'm not a Green Party member, but I usually vote Greens where available. I voted for Stein understanding that my electors would go to Clinton anyway because I'm in California (hoping to ever-so-slightly entice the Democrats to more Greenish policies in the future to recapture that vote), but if I lived somewhere that that would have made it likely my electors would have gone to Trump, I've voted Clinton in a heartbeat.
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"I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
Ok... here's one for you.. Trump through Trump University committed Fraud.
Please notice how Trump went to trial and the court found in his favor.
If any fraud was committed it was by the operator of Trump University not Donald J. Trump himself. The court of law found he did not commit fraud.
We all know left voters are never happy.
In my country we number boxes according to preference. There is no penalty for voting for a third candidate.
Scenario:
Don gets 42 votes, Jill gets 25, hill gets 33. Who wins?
Well a quarter didn't vote for either. But if 80% of Jill voters prefer Hill over Don then Hill wins 53 to 47.
That's what he gets for helping to screw up FireFox.
Table-ized A.I.
Left side of what isle, mon?
1. The democratic voters didn't field the candidate, the superdelegates did. It was designed to keep populist candidates out ever since Jimmy Carter.
2. You're mistake is assuming Hillary Clinton was competent. History and actual evidence are that she was neither a competent Senator nor a competent Secretary of State. And, if your estimation of the average voter is they select candidates based on skin pigmentation, appearance, chromosomes, or genitalia, then it's a good thing the average voter disappointed you.
Bonus: calling Obama the "black dude" who won shows just how little you thought of him or his presidency. It was just a checkbox for you to say you voted for a person of color.
Bonus 2: you and your kids will not be paying any price, so don't think for a second we believe that bullshit. You're as white as snow, and not in any position to claim some grievance. If that's your casus belli, then go fuck yourself and prepare to do real battle.
IMO, Skype is a poor substitute for dedicated VC hardware (I have experience with Cisco and Tandberg) and a good internet connection. Skype video conferencing is better than a phone call, but nowhere near as good a Cisco conference.
When they came for the communists, I said "He's next door. Take him away. Goddam commies."
I voted for no candidate since none was the correct vote. All candidates began with a "morality aside" clause...which means they all had faults too big to ignore...but nonetheless people felt compelled to vote so that the "wrong" one wasn't chosen. Shame on the populace for choosing 3 candidates who shelve morality and wisdom for power. Humility begets humility, and consequently power begets corruption.
Ah yeah. I'm a bit of a traditionalist when it comes to those things, so I didn't mean to give the impression I thought the electoral college was a bad idea. Besides being in a demographic that's supposed to make me beholden to the D team, Hillary was the first time I voted for either an R or a D for POTUS. I usually go Libertarian.
What I'd meant to express was that all this whinging about the electoral college is bullcrap. I don't think Hillary even showed up once to campaign in my state, which went to Sanders in the primary.
This isn't his first time admitting to tax fraud.
https://daniel.haxx.se/hackers.html
Hackers Are The Good People
I consider myself a "hacker". I never went to college or university. I've spent thousands of spare-time hours in front of my various home computers. I've been programming since I was 14. I know assembler for several CPUs.
Doesn't take a dumb PHB to read this wrong
"He's an hacker and he thinks that hacking is good"... -- Dilbert PHB
or an AI screening algo with a simple keyword screening program to blacklist him.
Or gossip.. and we take an hour and a half or more.. play on messager. Doesn't matter we are in the office therefore we are working harder than those remotes.
"Multiple courts have declared them illegal, and SCOTUS will hear the case soon, and will likely find at least some of the restrictions illegal."
You mean the Supreme Court that just unanimously bitch slapped the liberal adjenda driven lower courts on the ban? That court? Please go back to China.
This is just flamebait from a child who is upset with his mommy and daddy because they didn't give him a new sharp pencil for his birthday. Like this idiot most people will immediately blame Trump for this so hideous act. ROFLMA. Keep asking, who this scum really is and get ready to be surprised.
Remember, please run with scissors. it's good for YOU.
Jill Stein voters saw the headline and are disappointed that it wasn't Eich.
And FWIW if Bernie had gotten the Democratic nomination I would have voted for him to reward the Democrats for a step in the right direction (and also because Bernie was actually a better candidate than Stein, having similar policies but more experience and effective passion).
-Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
"I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
Just as happy as the Garry Johnson voters, I'm sure.
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But like most corporatists you reveal yourself as a tax-cheat and an America hater.
Given who the POTUS is, that was probably an intentional effect of the travel ban.
You mean really WORK for Mozilla? They actually get a paycheck or something? They get paid to make that bloatware called Firefox?
Better federalism is what you need.
In the post-Reagan era, most voters aren't happy most of the time.
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You've got 2 years to earn our votes back. Try not to fuck it up this time!
You do realize that using video conferencing instead of face-to-face collaboration doesn't work near as well in practice as it does in theory?
It's like phone sex vs in-person sex. Of course, most programmers wouldn't know that.
Have you read my blog lately?
5-4 is unanimous now? Go back to /pol/, /b/tard.
The five thirty eight article is a gigantic straw man. The FIX had to do with a number of procedural choices and they ALL were made with the intent of helping Hillary. About the only thing they didn't do was scheduled the debates against the super bowl but you can bet they considered it.
Hillary had name recognition and did not want to have mass exposure events... Debates etc... That would draw high ratings.
It ended up being her undoing in part, the Bernie Bros saw through it in large enough numbers and stayed home. The emails that were obviously a problem and should have forced a drop out also didn't help.
Truly retarded. Typical American indeed.
Deals start after drinks in the backrooms of strip clubs. You can't really do business with someone until you've had hooker tits and hooch in your face together.
"This article full of evidence is wrong! My assertion that Bernie would have won had they debated more than six times needs no evidence!"
Please mod parent +1 Burn with a side-mod of +1 Has actually read the preamble to the constitution.
I've never heard the auxiliary muscles thing before, just the obvious tension difference when finishing a rep. The bands of the machine assist in returning to start, but with free weights, it's all on you. It's also a fuck of a lot more accurate.
You're on commission, aren't you?
A webcam and a mic doesn't need to cost $1,500 to work well.
Worried about Trump? Stuck outside the US? The United Kingdom is open for business!
We need the business after the Brexit fiasco!
If you gave me a choice between a printer and a giraffe with explosive diarrhoea, i'll get my ladder and my raincoat
All of the fucking polls said Bernie had a better chance against Trump than Hillary did, so fuck you for electing Trump via your primary vote for Hillary.
I don't think many people are arguing that these travel restrictions are illegal, just that they are stupid and counterproductive.
In a country in which the rule of law exists, of course, being stupid and counterproductive would make these restrictions despotic and illegal.
The decision granting certoriari and lifting parts of the stays was published "per curiam", which means the court was unanimous.
I doubt he is, as this is what I do for a living. About 6 years ago there was a push to move away from hardware videoconference systems towards desktop based bullshit like Skype, Webex, or Gotomeeting. Again, as the GP said, they're better than a phone call (most of the time, sometimes not) but way worse than an actual Polycom/Cisco/whatever standards based videoconference.
You can't substitute real hardware, with quality cameras and microphones with a $50 webcam. It's nice to be able to work from your desk, but in a well designed space there is absolutely no need to be traveling halfway across the globe on a regular basis to get work done.
Why do people still schedule meetings in the US, I wonder...
What makes you believe Clinton is against Citizens United? Sure, her public position is that she is, but she seems happy with the state of money in politics! Would she have had a chance otherwise?
It's not about productivity; it's about control. It may also be about socializing. Not everyone wants or needs to see people on a daily basis. (And of course, some people can't see people.)
DW
I do not get the perception, just based on the name "Daniel Stenberg", that this guy was born in Ethiopia, Somalia, Iran, or one of the other four "nations" from which immigration has been restricted. So what's the big deal?
Although Mozilla doesn't believe that the incident is related to Trump's travel ban, the incident stirred fears among international tech workers, who fear they'll miss out on work and research opportunities if they're not allowed to travel to the US.
Employees of US companies are exempt from the trump travel ban.
Mozilla doesn't think the denial was based on Trumps travel ban.
Despite those two facts, the narrative is trump's travel ban caused him to not be able to travel to US?! Based on what? Oh, based on foreigners bring afraid that being in a foreign land they might miss an opportunity in the US?
It really would have been nice if this story would have included WHY Mozilla does think he was denied entry, but heck, that would limit the trump bashing...
Ken
Daniel Stenberg Appears to be Swedish, does not appear to be a refugee seeking asylum, why would he get caught in Trump's travel ban?
Interesting to note that no mention is made of his nationality, ethnicity, or religion...
Ken
How about you do not do business with dirty communists, you traitor
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Unless all the expenses are within the per diem. In which case they effectively are.
And after returning to the US, your first three meals out will set you back as much as three months of meals out in China. Well, I'm exaggerating a bit, but the effect may be less than you predict due to different costs of travel and your sales coming from the US in dollars. (Of course if all your US employees start travelling instead, and stay at high end foreigner hotels and eat at foreigner restaurants, you will have a cost problem.) Further, if you aren't already using telemeetings with rank and file China employees, your expenses are too high in the first place.
It might be a better idea to wait and see if visitors from China actually have any more problem obtaining visas than they used to. It was always an involved process because Chinese typically want to LIVE in the US -- rather the opposite of terrorizing the US. Further, Chinese employees typically get fairly long term duration visas once vetted. Last I looked, China was not on the list of banned countries and the risk of dangerous items being brought over from China is pretty small due to EXTENSIVE departure screening at the airports.
I could go on about how the effect of the travel ban on China may be different that what you expect, perhaps irrelevant. Think carefully about why your China employees are working for your US company. (They may be overpaid to begin with, they may be expecting travel to the US as a benefit, etc.)
Don't tell me you bring Chinese employees to the US for your company outings? There are so many more extravagant travel opportunities in Asia for equal or less cost.
There are no unique employees. These foreign scabs are hired for cheap labor. Hire Americans, and you have no problems with visas.
Whooooshhh!
Such insufferable arrogance. To see it modded up so, speaks volumes to the culture that values identity first and foremost, and not integrity of character.
When the DNC chair has to resign because of leaked emails, there is no reason to have any confidence in their official tallies. There is no accounting for their thumb on the scales when there are myriad of ways for pressure and influence and procedural rules to affect results.
You question the intelligence of average voters and flyover state 'hicks', but I have to wonder who really has the learning disability when Clinton loyalists double down on being condescending douche bags and directing a constant barrage of irrational hate towards Trump when that very attitude is what helped get him elected.
When the DNC chair has to resign because of leaked emails, there is no reason to have any confidence in their official tallies.
Aside from zero evidence to suggest they tampered with the vote across the nation. There wasn't anything at all suggesting it in those leaked e-mails you mentioned.
He's white, from Sweden, and likely not a refugee - how does this involve Trump's Travel ban?
Seriously, Trump Derangement Syndrome is rampant on this site...
Ken
As always, when a conservative criticizes someone, he ends up describing himself perfectly. You at least described Trump there.
How predictable that your first response is to slap a label on me. Thank you for proving my point about being fixated on identity.
Aside from zero evidence to suggest they tampered with the vote across the nation. There wasn't anything at all suggesting it in those leaked e-mails you mentioned.
Please note I didn't accuse them of tampering, only that they had the motive to do so. The clear evidence of conspiracy against Sanders in the emails means they could not be trusted to hold a fair and impartial election, and thus, there is no reason to believe or trust their official figures. They are not credible.