>So you're saying that running Linux on an XBox lets you dump the games to the hard drive and run them without their DVD?
Yup.
>See, that ruins it for me. What's going to stop people from pirating the hell out of games this way?
Morality? >:-D
>This sort of thing could easily ruin the console by wrecking the market for games. I'd really hate to see that happen.
Well, if it was going to do it, it'd happen by now. Apart from the GameCube, I can't think of a single system which wasn't heavily pirated. And I'm going all the way back to the original 8-bit NES, which did a bomb, despite how many clones were made of the system itself, and all the 1000-in-1 cartridges...
In fact, most systems that are pirated seem to enjoy increased popularity and sales as a result. Strange, but from what I can see, the market stays pretty faithful to that in most respects. Just look in your store and see how many more PS2 and X-BOX games are available against gamecube (the only popular "unmoddable" system, unless I get more info) games, even though the gamecube is cheaper, and in some respects, superior!
The don't have a large stock simply because they don't sell -- they have the large stock to supply demand.
However, that all being said, I only install and sell modchips for the purposes of running linux and making personal backups of your own games.
>Look me straight in the eye and tell me you've got several dictionaries spanning a significant period of time, and that you've compared the defintions of "theft" in all of them.
Is a few hundred years ok? Seems like a significant period of time, considering it covers the time span of all major revisions of copyright law (including having none for many countries).
[if you're wondering where I got most of these (apart from dictionary.com), check here]
Theft (?), n. [OE. thefte, AS. i'ef[eth]e, f[eth]e, eof[eth]e. See Thief.]
1. Law The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious taking and removing of personal property, with an intent to deprive the rightful owner of the same; larceny. To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner's consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious; every part of the property stolen must be removed, however slightly, from its former position; and it must be, at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief. See Larceny, and the Note under Robbery.
2. The thing stolen.
[R.] If the theft be certainly found in his hand alive, . . . he shall restore double. Ex. xxii. 4.
There's no need to quote the current webster's -- it hasn't changed.
The American Heritage Dictionary, whose definition sucks and requires a recursive search (ho hum).
theft ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thft) n. 1. The act or an instance of stealing; larceny. 2. Obsolete. Something stolen.
larceny ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lärs-n) n. pl. larcenies The unlawful taking and removing of another's personal property with the intent of permanently depriving the owner; theft.
Merriam Webster (I'd do the OED, but I'm too lazy to type it in from the book, this should satisfy anyone but a kook):
Main Entry: theft Pronunciation: 'theft Function: noun Etymology: Middle English thiefthe, from Old English thIefth; akin to Old English thEof thief Date: before 12th century 1 a : the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property 2 obsolete : something stolen 3 : a stolen base in baseball
1783 webster's American Spelling book (no definition for theft, sorry, this is the closest to it, but it clearly shows in 1783 the definition would have been the same)
Steal, to take away without liberty
Cambridge Dictionary of American English
theft noun [C/U] the act of taking something that belongs to someone else and keeping it; stealing car theft
1891 encyclopedia britannica
THEFT, the act of thieving or stealing. In English legal usage the practice is to call this act by its Norman-French name of "larceny," but properly theft is a wider term including other forms of wrongful deprivation of the property of another (see LARCENY).
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Webster's 1828 Dictionary
THEFT, n. The act of stealing. In law, the private, unlawful, felonious taking of another person's goods or movables, with an intent to steal them. To constitute theft, the taking must be in private or without the owner's knowledge, and it must be unlawful or felonious, that is, it must be with a design to deprive the owner of his property privately and against his will. Theft differs from robbery, as the latter is a violent taking from the person, and of course not private.
>Profit margin before duplication? Positive. Profit margin after clones enter the market? Negative. The company goes out of business.
Yes, but you can't steal something you never had to begin with.
Unless users are putting deposits on future sales of product, and the money is stolen by the theif (remember, according to the definition: "every part of the property stolen must be... at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief.") then it's still not theft.
There's just no way to fit the idea of unrealized profits into the idea of theft without time machines, or crazy deposit schemes (in which case it becomes robbery anyways), and I don't want to get into that...;-)
>However, A smart company realizes that even when protected by IP laws, IP is still perishable due to perfectly legal causes. They should plan for it.
I agree. Open sourcing it and finding a business plan to support that is often the best way -- that way at no point do you even need to consider someone else pirating your software in any fashion. It wasn't an option to begin with. But that's just my idea, and I know the whole open source + profits route is paved with the bodies of failed corporations.
>See my previous post on this matter
Well, if you insist...
>>Yeah, and if I cheat on my taxes they can lock me up for "tax evasion"; but they d***ed well better not acuse me of stealing. That just wouldn't be fair.
I think you'd be surprised to find a lot (perhaps even a majority) of people don't consider tax evasion theft, unless the amount of tax "evaded" is higher than the amount already paid in that person's lifetime (ie: Don't pay house taxes a couple of years, fine -- run a gifting club, not fine). In fact, a lot of libertarians, such as myself, consider the current level of taxes virtual theft (but not real theft!) by the government in and of itself.
>>I hereby move that the Open Source and Free Software movements be combined and reorganized as The Society for Pointless Debates Revolving Around Semantics and Nomenclature or SPDRASN.
You can argue semantics, but it's only been recently that the dictionary has gone to such painstaking lengths to correct people on what theft really means. It's hardly semantics when they devote entire paragraphs to ensuring people get it right. I, for one, respect dictionary definitions for words, esepecially when they expound on a topic to the level they have for the word "theft".
>Like the well thought out documentation for Linux? Don't make me laugh. They're both as shoddy as each other. Linux just gives you more of it, that's all.
Well, I can only speak for myself, and that is that, up to now, I've never bought a book to configure any part of linux yet (well, none that I can remember reading to operate Linux, anyways), and I've have the standard services running, unhacked, for a few years (web, mail, pop3, ftp, ssh, socks proxy).
And, before running Linux, my closest-to-UNIX experience was a DOS box... take that as you will.
>Having said that, how well do peripherals hook up to an XBox? I've never tried to hook anything up to it, so I'm not sure off the top of my head whether it even offers USB, but since you seem to have tried modding an XBox, how well does it accept peripherals?
I've not tried peripherals, but all the joystick ports are (non-standard) USB. This cable should allow you to interface your devices. It seems, according to sourceforge, that all linux supported USB devices will work inside linux, but not the X-Box games (obviously).
>And, once you modded it, did it still play XBox games?
Yep! And 100% off the hard drive also without the original disc (a big bonus if you have kids that think DVDs are indestructible).
>I know you wouldn't be able to use XBox Live with a modded box; Microsoft started shutting them out of the service a while back
They have, but many of the more advanced chips let you turn off the mod chip. Of course then you need the original DVD, but if you're all legal, that's not too big of a a deal.
X-BOX live should be fine if the chip is turned off -- the chip only takes control of the BIOS, nothing more (IIRC). I'd read more on this before trusting my advice, though, since I only mod the boxes, I actually don't own an X-BOX (yet), so it beats me if this works as advertised.;-)
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>say, a slow diskless VIA C3 with 64mb of RAM in a little box with PXE capability
This is very possible, and for less than the $300 AU suggested.
ECS (uggh... it's PC-Chips, but they're the only people in this game right now, from what I can tell) makes/made a board with a built on C3 processor, and built in everything (sound, video, lan/w boot rom, etc) for under $100 AU at its lowest price. Add in the rest, and you should be able to get these systems built for about $150 AU. They worked wonderfully with Linux.
Currently they make the same thing, but with a duron processor integrated (the K7SEM-B). Same price.
You might want to build one and give it a whirl, see how it works for you (But be prepared to buy some spares! It's PC-Chips parts!)
>Reverse engineering is nothing more than the common theft of intelectual property.
Please show me how, when I draw a schematic diagram of my motherboard ABiT's intellectual property has been removed from their presence, never to be replaced, and has entered mine. Show me how they will no longer be able to manufacture this motherboard if I made duplicates, as they would no longer have the design for it. Show me how nVidia's design documents would be magically transported into my home if I should reverse engineer their nForce2 chipset.
Theft (in the sense you are using the word) cannot ocurr without a loss:
\Theft\, n. [OE. thefte, AS. [thorn]i['e]f[eth]e, [thorn][=y]f[eth]e, [thorn]e['o]f[eth]e. See Thief.] 1. (Law) The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious taking and removing of personal property, with an intent to deprive the rightful owner of the same; larceny.
Note: To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner's consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious; every part of the property stolen must be removed, however slightly, from its former position; and it must be, at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief. See Larceny, and the Note under Robbery.
Next time, use the word steal. Then at least you can suggest reverse engineering that intellectual property was like "stealing a kiss" (which is never a bad thing, so if you were to rebut me as such, I'd leave it at that).
Either that, or get off the soap box and use the words people in a real court have to use: Violation of the right of the plaintiff to enjoy monopoly status on a copyrighted design or patent.
>Technically I'm not, Microsoft is. As I noted in my original post that's from the Microsoft help.
I guess it just goes to prove that your choices:
You can either rely on heaps of shoddy documentation for an expensive price, or you can rely on just a bit of well thought out documentation from the author for nothing.
I think I'll go for the free, reliably documented software, myself.
>To use more than one filter in the same command, separate the filters with a pipe (|). For example, the following command searches every directory on drive C, finds the file names that include the string "Log", and displays them one screen at a time:
>dir c:\/s/b | find "LOG" | more
Actually, you're wrong.
Because the find command doesn't support case insensitivity by default, searching for "LOG" when you want to find the string "Log" will never, EVER, find a correct match.
>Because you use a pipe (|), Windows 2000 sends the output of the dir command through the find command. The find command selects only file names that contain the string "Log." The more command displays the file names that are selected by the find command, one screen at a time.
You forgot to mention more is a blocking command. This is bad if you want to find all files that have a.exe extension, you'll be hitting spacebar for the next few years (exaggeration).
>Still, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Hey, don't let mistakes get in the way of your advice.
When did Canada, Mexico, Peru etc. implement a DMCA then?
They haven't, so you can't possibly say all Americans would want to buy from Brazil. You can't even say a majority of Americans would want to buy from Brazil.
Go look at a map. Notice there's a North, Central, and South America. You did take grade 4 geography, right?
>When someone says that stealing cable is a victimless crime, there is a victim: The legal, paying subscribers who needs to help eat the cost of finding the theives.
I just checked my bill. Nope, I couldn't find a cost listed for "Payment to stop cable pirates", although my bill is completely itemized.
By your logic, when I pay my electric bill I am funding terrorists:
>I pay my bill. >> My bill supposedly partially pays for electricity pirated by marijuana grow operations (in reality, this is claimed on insurance, collections agencies, and taxes, but let's pretend we live in your world for a moment). >>> Marijuana is often sold by Biker Gangs. >>>> Biker Gangs are known to be involved with the Mafia. >>>>> The Mafia is known to launder money for Terrorists. >>>>>> Terrorists need their money laundered to be able to use it.
Therefore, I helped fund terrorism by paying for electricity. SAVE ME JEBUS! I'll never sin again!
Watch tomorrow, where through the same logic I prove that the number 2 is equal to any other number!
>Rubbish, it's theft, pure and simple. Stealing satellite transmissions. The guy deserves what he got, like any common thief does.
In canada, you could do what that guy did. People were convicted by judges, and you were ordered pay back the full, legal price of the service to direcTV (a check with a big fat goose egg written on it).
So, if you can steal $0, then breathing is theft, because nobody charges me for it.
Yeah, but if selling these defective CDs becomes illegal in Brazil, USians could always import all their music from there if they want to be guaranteed error-free CDs.
The whole McDonald's thing, like I said, it's an extreme response to an extreme answer, so don't get worked up about it.
>Many CEOs work hard for their money, and by their ingenuity, ambition, and initiative lead their corporations to greatness.
Well, I agree with the first part, but again, the majority of CEOs fail, unfortunately. The bank manager, when I opened an account, explained to me that 90% of new businesses fail withing the first 2 years. That doesn't sound that great, but hey, I think I can be part of the other 10%.
>However, many CEOs at very large companies need do nothing, save beg for more subsidies from government (see airline industry for a perfect example).
And again, there are those that don't. The ones that do are the ones you hear about all the time. But there's so many more other large corporations that affect your everyday life that you've never heard of precisely because they work within the system. I'd give examples, but again, it's hard to remember companies that don't reach the radar. But hey, for some examples, walk about your local mall. The number of large corporations that DON'T fudge the books by and large outnumber the ones that do. A few from the top of my head: Coles, Chapters, The Bombay Company, Roots, The GAP, mmmmmuffins, Kernels, Electornics Boutique.
>It's against the ones that are large and powerful enough to get themselves subsidized by my tax dollars, and pay their executives obscene salaries in the process.
Sure, okay. I don't disagree that these exist, but the number of them is too few for me to get worked up about it. If one takes a job in North America, the chances of being in a corporation that is run by an an executive that's overpaid from sticking it to the little guy is slim, at best. I'd have more luck ending up with an asshole for a boss (now that ISN'T hard to find).
>The delta between executive compensation and average worker's salary has been exploding over the past 30 years. Do you really expect me to believe that the competence of executives is exploding at the same rate?
It is? Statistics always seem to show that the middle class keeps growing. Maybe I'm wrong on that though. But then again, if movies are anything to go by (and, of course, they serve as a general indicator of society's feelings, at best) seems to me the corporate CEO overpaid greedy bastard was a thing of the 1980's.
You pointed out an extreme (the top 500 of overpaid), so I pointed out an extreme (regular McDonald's working joe who isn't overpaid sucking off the welfare system to get ahead of the regular guy).
You see, when you take things to extremes, anything works.
Fact is, the VAST majority of CEOs are NOT overpaid.
In the state of California ALONE, 75,000 businesses are incorporated per year.
Assuming the impossible, that all 500 on that list were incorporated in California, they'd represent no more than 0.67% of all businesses this year alone. The actual number is MUCH LOWER than that, because we have to take into account how many businesses stay alive each year. I might put it somewhere around 0.01%
Like I said, your local corner store is probably incorporated. Those 500 companies represent the true reality of corporations just as well as the Mafia represents an employee's union.
You have to do better than that. I'm incorporated, and I'm going to make a grand total of $300 this month, and I'm not alone. In fact, some directors of some corps are going to be making NEGATIVE bucks this month.
Imagine if your boss told you to open your wallet and give your money to the company!
You see, this is the problem. People forget who is incorporated and therefore has directors.
Your local corner store? The one that's run by mom, dad, and the kids? They'd be fools not to incorporate.
It only costs $400 where I live to incorporate. Seems to me if just being incorporated and giving oneself the title CEO was the instant ticket to being in the money, everyone would do it.
>Ask those who just spend 5-6 studing at the University and have received NOTHING from their investment. The real risk-takers are those who are today unemployed.
ROFTLMAO.
Do you have any idea what the cost is to start up a full retail business?
Let me tell you this: It's more than just 6 years at Uni.
And do you know what the results of losing are? You lose everything.
When you lose at university, you don't exactly lose... because they can't take away your education. But they can take away your house, car, boat, land, etc if you really screw up your business.
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>So you're saying that running Linux on an XBox lets you dump the games to the hard drive and run them without their DVD?
Yup.
>See, that ruins it for me. What's going to stop people from pirating the hell out of games this way?
Morality? >:-D
>This sort of thing could easily ruin the console by wrecking the market for games. I'd really hate to see that happen.
Well, if it was going to do it, it'd happen by now. Apart from the GameCube, I can't think of a single system which wasn't heavily pirated. And I'm going all the way back to the original 8-bit NES, which did a bomb, despite how many clones were made of the system itself, and all the 1000-in-1 cartridges...
In fact, most systems that are pirated seem to enjoy increased popularity and sales as a result. Strange, but from what I can see, the market stays pretty faithful to that in most respects. Just look in your store and see how many more PS2 and X-BOX games are available against gamecube (the only popular "unmoddable" system, unless I get more info) games, even though the gamecube is cheaper, and in some respects, superior!
The don't have a large stock simply because they don't sell -- they have the large stock to supply demand.
However, that all being said, I only install and sell modchips for the purposes of running linux and making personal backups of your own games.
>Look me straight in the eye and tell me you've got several dictionaries spanning a significant period of time, and that you've compared the defintions of "theft" in all of them.
/eft/ noun act of stealing.
/"l:sn/ noun (plural -ies) theft of personal property. la
Is a few hundred years ok? Seems like a significant period of time, considering it covers the time span of all major revisions of copyright law (including having none for many countries).
[if you're wondering where I got most of these (apart from dictionary.com), check here]
1913's webster (available on www.everything2.com):
Theft (?), n. [OE. thefte, AS. i'ef[eth]e, f[eth]e, eof[eth]e. See Thief.]
1. Law The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious taking and removing of personal property, with an intent to deprive the rightful owner of the same; larceny.
To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner's consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious; every part of the property stolen must be removed, however slightly, from its former position; and it must be, at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief. See Larceny, and the Note under Robbery.
2. The thing stolen.
[R.] If the theft be certainly found in his hand alive, . . . he shall restore double. Ex. xxii. 4.
There's no need to quote the current webster's -- it hasn't changed.
The American Heritage Dictionary, whose definition sucks and requires a recursive search (ho hum).
theft ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thft) n.
1. The act or an instance of stealing; larceny.
2. Obsolete. Something stolen.
larceny ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lärs-n)
n. pl. larcenies The unlawful taking and removing of another's personal property with the intent of permanently depriving the owner; theft.
Merriam Webster (I'd do the OED, but I'm too lazy to type it in from the book, this should satisfy anyone but a kook):
Main Entry: theft
Pronunciation: 'theft
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English thiefthe, from Old English thIefth; akin to Old English thEof thief
Date: before 12th century
1 a : the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property
2 obsolete : something stolen
3 : a stolen base in baseball
1783 webster's American Spelling book (no definition for theft, sorry, this is the closest to it, but it clearly shows in 1783 the definition would have been the same)
Steal, to take away without liberty
Cambridge Dictionary of American English
theft noun [C/U] the act of taking something that belongs to someone else and keeping it; stealing car theft
1891 encyclopedia britannica
THEFT, the act of thieving or stealing. In English legal usage the practice is to call this act by its Norman-French name of "larceny," but properly theft is a wider term including other forms of wrongful deprivation of the property of another (see LARCENY).
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Webster's 1828 Dictionary
THEFT, n. The act of stealing. In law, the private, unlawful, felonious taking of another person's goods or movables, with an intent to steal them. To constitute theft, the taking must be in private or without the owner's knowledge, and it must be unlawful or felonious, that is, it must be with a design to deprive the owner of his property privately and against his will. Theft differs from robbery, as the latter is a violent taking from the person, and of course not private.
1. The thing stolen. Ex.22.
Oxford Paperback Dictionary and Thesauraus
theft
burglary, larceny, pilfering, robbery, stealing, thievery.
larceny
>Profit margin before duplication? Positive. Profit margin after clones enter the market? Negative. The company goes out of business.
... at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief.") then it's still not theft.
;-)
Yes, but you can't steal something you never had to begin with.
Unless users are putting deposits on future sales of product, and the money is stolen by the theif (remember, according to the definition: "every part of the property stolen must be
There's just no way to fit the idea of unrealized profits into the idea of theft without time machines, or crazy deposit schemes (in which case it becomes robbery anyways), and I don't want to get into that...
>However, A smart company realizes that even when protected by IP laws, IP is still perishable due to perfectly legal causes. They should plan for it.
I agree. Open sourcing it and finding a business plan to support that is often the best way -- that way at no point do you even need to consider someone else pirating your software in any fashion. It wasn't an option to begin with. But that's just my idea, and I know the whole open source + profits route is paved with the bodies of failed corporations.
>See my previous post on this matter
Well, if you insist...
>>Yeah, and if I cheat on my taxes they can lock me up for "tax evasion"; but they d***ed well better not acuse me of stealing. That just wouldn't be fair.
I think you'd be surprised to find a lot (perhaps even a majority) of people don't consider tax evasion theft, unless the amount of tax "evaded" is higher than the amount already paid in that person's lifetime (ie: Don't pay house taxes a couple of years, fine -- run a gifting club, not fine). In fact, a lot of libertarians, such as myself, consider the current level of taxes virtual theft (but not real theft!) by the government in and of itself.
>>I hereby move that the Open Source and Free Software movements be combined and reorganized as The Society for Pointless Debates Revolving Around Semantics and Nomenclature or SPDRASN.
You can argue semantics, but it's only been recently that the dictionary has gone to such painstaking lengths to correct people on what theft really means. It's hardly semantics when they devote entire paragraphs to ensuring people get it right. I, for one, respect dictionary definitions for words, esepecially when they expound on a topic to the level they have for the word "theft".
>Like the well thought out documentation for Linux? Don't make me laugh. They're both as shoddy as each other. Linux just gives you more of it, that's all.
Well, I can only speak for myself, and that is that, up to now, I've never bought a book to configure any part of linux yet (well, none that I can remember reading to operate Linux, anyways), and I've have the standard services running, unhacked, for a few years (web, mail, pop3, ftp, ssh, socks proxy).
And, before running Linux, my closest-to-UNIX experience was a DOS box... take that as you will.
>Having said that, how well do peripherals hook up to an XBox? I've never tried to hook anything up to it, so I'm not sure off the top of my head whether it even offers USB, but since you seem to have tried modding an XBox, how well does it accept peripherals?
;-)
I've not tried peripherals, but all the joystick ports are (non-standard) USB. This cable should allow you to interface your devices. It seems, according to sourceforge, that all linux supported USB devices will work inside linux, but not the X-Box games (obviously).
>And, once you modded it, did it still play XBox games?
Yep! And 100% off the hard drive also without the original disc (a big bonus if you have kids that think DVDs are indestructible).
>I know you wouldn't be able to use XBox Live with a modded box; Microsoft started shutting them out of the service a while back
They have, but many of the more advanced chips let you turn off the mod chip. Of course then you need the original DVD, but if you're all legal, that's not too big of a a deal.
X-BOX live should be fine if the chip is turned off -- the chip only takes control of the BIOS, nothing more (IIRC). I'd read more on this before trusting my advice, though, since I only mod the boxes, I actually don't own an X-BOX (yet), so it beats me if this works as advertised.
>say, a slow diskless VIA C3 with 64mb of RAM in a little box with PXE capability
/w boot rom, etc) for under $100 AU at its lowest price. Add in the rest, and you should be able to get these systems built for about $150 AU. They worked wonderfully with Linux.
This is very possible, and for less than the $300 AU suggested.
ECS (uggh... it's PC-Chips, but they're the only people in this game right now, from what I can tell) makes/made a board with a built on C3 processor, and built in everything (sound, video, lan
Currently they make the same thing, but with a duron processor integrated (the K7SEM-B). Same price.
You might want to build one and give it a whirl, see how it works for you (But be prepared to buy some spares! It's PC-Chips parts!)
>Reverse engineering is nothing more than the common theft of intelectual property.
Please show me how, when I draw a schematic diagram of my motherboard ABiT's intellectual property has been removed from their presence, never to be replaced, and has entered mine. Show me how they will no longer be able to manufacture this motherboard if I made duplicates, as they would no longer have the design for it. Show me how nVidia's design documents would be magically transported into my home if I should reverse engineer their nForce2 chipset.
Theft (in the sense you are using the word) cannot ocurr without a loss:
theft
\Theft\, n. [OE. thefte, AS. [thorn]i['e]f[eth]e, [thorn][=y]f[eth]e, [thorn]e['o]f[eth]e. See Thief.] 1. (Law) The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious taking and removing of personal property, with an intent to deprive the rightful owner of the same; larceny.
Note: To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner's consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious; every part of the property stolen must be removed, however slightly, from its former position; and it must be, at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief. See Larceny, and the Note under Robbery.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.
Next time, use the word steal. Then at least you can suggest reverse engineering that intellectual property was like "stealing a kiss" (which is never a bad thing, so if you were to rebut me as such, I'd leave it at that).
Either that, or get off the soap box and use the words people in a real court have to use: Violation of the right of the plaintiff to enjoy monopoly status on a copyrighted design or patent.
>Technically I'm not, Microsoft is. As I noted in my original post that's from the Microsoft help.
I guess it just goes to prove that your choices:
You can either rely on heaps of shoddy documentation for an expensive price, or you can rely on just a bit of well thought out documentation from the author for nothing.
I think I'll go for the free, reliably documented software, myself.
Who's with me?
>To use more than one filter in the same command, separate the filters with a pipe (|). For example, the following command searches every directory on drive C, finds the file names that include the string "Log", and displays them one screen at a time:
/s /b | find "LOG" | more
.exe extension, you'll be hitting spacebar for the next few years (exaggeration).
>dir c:\
Actually, you're wrong.
Because the find command doesn't support case insensitivity by default, searching for "LOG" when you want to find the string "Log" will never, EVER, find a correct match.
>Because you use a pipe (|), Windows 2000 sends the output of the dir command through the find command. The find command selects only file names that contain the string "Log." The more command displays the file names that are selected by the find command, one screen at a time.
You forgot to mention more is a blocking command. This is bad if you want to find all files that have a
>Still, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Hey, don't let mistakes get in the way of your advice.
>Hey retard, we're Americans.
Interesting.
When did Canada, Mexico, Peru etc. implement a DMCA then?
They haven't, so you can't possibly say all Americans would want to buy from Brazil. You can't even say a majority of Americans would want to buy from Brazil.
Go look at a map. Notice there's a North, Central, and South America. You did take grade 4 geography, right?
>What kind of non-sensical statement was that anyway?
That if it isn't listed, it is just as important as the lunch-lady's 401K.
Thanks for proving my point.
You are dismissed.
>When someone says that stealing cable is a victimless crime, there is a victim: The legal, paying subscribers who needs to help eat the cost of finding the theives.
I just checked my bill. Nope, I couldn't find a cost listed for "Payment to stop cable pirates", although my bill is completely itemized.
By your logic, when I pay my electric bill I am funding terrorists:
>I pay my bill.
>> My bill supposedly partially pays for electricity pirated by marijuana grow operations (in reality, this is claimed on insurance, collections agencies, and taxes, but let's pretend we live in your world for a moment).
>>> Marijuana is often sold by Biker Gangs.
>>>> Biker Gangs are known to be involved with the Mafia.
>>>>> The Mafia is known to launder money for Terrorists.
>>>>>> Terrorists need their money laundered to be able to use it.
Therefore, I helped fund terrorism by paying for electricity. SAVE ME JEBUS! I'll never sin again!
Watch tomorrow, where through the same logic I prove that the number 2 is equal to any other number!
>Rubbish, it's theft, pure and simple. Stealing satellite transmissions. The guy deserves what he got, like any common thief does.
In canada, you could do what that guy did. People were convicted by judges, and you were ordered pay back the full, legal price of the service to direcTV (a check with a big fat goose egg written on it).
So, if you can steal $0, then breathing is theft, because nobody charges me for it.
Get a grip, man.
>Can I sue them?
If they advertise on the software "Works on any Computer", or don't mention that it requires windows, yes.
Does most windows software say that?
I doubt it.
You see, some of these CDs aren't properly labelled as NOT being fully compatible with CD playing equipment.
Yeah, but if selling these defective CDs becomes illegal in Brazil, USians could always import all their music from there if they want to be guaranteed error-free CDs.
The whole McDonald's thing, like I said, it's an extreme response to an extreme answer, so don't get worked up about it.
>Many CEOs work hard for their money, and by their ingenuity, ambition, and initiative lead their corporations to greatness.
Well, I agree with the first part, but again, the majority of CEOs fail, unfortunately. The bank manager, when I opened an account, explained to me that 90% of new businesses fail withing the first 2 years. That doesn't sound that great, but hey, I think I can be part of the other 10%.
>However, many CEOs at very large companies need do nothing, save beg for more subsidies from government (see airline industry for a perfect example).
And again, there are those that don't. The ones that do are the ones you hear about all the time. But there's so many more other large corporations that affect your everyday life that you've never heard of precisely because they work within the system. I'd give examples, but again, it's hard to remember companies that don't reach the radar. But hey, for some examples, walk about your local mall. The number of large corporations that DON'T fudge the books by and large outnumber the ones that do. A few from the top of my head: Coles, Chapters, The Bombay Company, Roots, The GAP, mmmmmuffins, Kernels, Electornics Boutique.
>It's against the ones that are large and powerful enough to get themselves subsidized by my tax dollars, and pay their executives obscene salaries in the process.
Sure, okay. I don't disagree that these exist, but the number of them is too few for me to get worked up about it. If one takes a job in North America, the chances of being in a corporation that is run by an an executive that's overpaid from sticking it to the little guy is slim, at best. I'd have more luck ending up with an asshole for a boss (now that ISN'T hard to find).
>The delta between executive compensation and average worker's salary has been exploding over the past 30 years. Do you really expect me to believe that the competence of executives is exploding at the same rate?
It is? Statistics always seem to show that the middle class keeps growing. Maybe I'm wrong on that though. But then again, if movies are anything to go by (and, of course, they serve as a general indicator of society's feelings, at best) seems to me the corporate CEO overpaid greedy bastard was a thing of the 1980's.
Okay.
You pointed out an extreme (the top 500 of overpaid), so I pointed out an extreme (regular McDonald's working joe who isn't overpaid sucking off the welfare system to get ahead of the regular guy).
You see, when you take things to extremes, anything works.
Fact is, the VAST majority of CEOs are NOT overpaid.
In the state of California ALONE, 75,000 businesses are incorporated per year.
Assuming the impossible, that all 500 on that list were incorporated in California, they'd represent no more than 0.67% of all businesses this year alone. The actual number is MUCH LOWER than that, because we have to take into account how many businesses stay alive each year. I might put it somewhere around 0.01%
Like I said, your local corner store is probably incorporated. Those 500 companies represent the true reality of corporations just as well as the Mafia represents an employee's union.
You have to do better than that. I'm incorporated, and I'm going to make a grand total of $300 this month, and I'm not alone. In fact, some directors of some corps are going to be making NEGATIVE bucks this month.
Imagine if your boss told you to open your wallet and give your money to the company!
>You're misusing the phrase "natural monopoly."
Yeah, I noticed that. Sorry. Hey, I never said I was perfect!
>Yeah. I can only think of 500 or so off the top of my head.
>Don't pretend that big company CEOs are compensated grossly beyond their usefulness.
I think I could easily find that many people on welfare and working in ONE province/state, per YEAR, if I had easy access to the stats.
Sorry, no sale.
You see, this is the problem. People forget who is incorporated and therefore has directors.
Your local corner store? The one that's run by mom, dad, and the kids? They'd be fools not to incorporate.
It only costs $400 where I live to incorporate. Seems to me if just being incorporated and giving oneself the title CEO was the instant ticket to being in the money, everyone would do it.
Why don't you try?
>The point isn't injuries, it's that government protection of working conditions is neccessary.
Yes, through lawsuits. Not through NERFitizing (tm) the workplace.
What you're saying, agree, that's not very fair.
Overtime shouldn't be forced, and a company willing to give vacation time shouldn't expect it made up in overtime.
>Ask those who just spend 5-6 studing at the University
and have received NOTHING from their investment. The real
risk-takers are those who are today unemployed.
ROFTLMAO.
Do you have any idea what the cost is to start up a full retail business?
Let me tell you this: It's more than just 6 years at Uni.
And do you know what the results of losing are? You lose everything.
When you lose at university, you don't exactly lose... because they can't take away your education. But they can take away your house, car, boat, land, etc if you really screw up your business.
Yes, but at that point it wasn't so easy to get a good settlement.
Nowdays, if this happend due to negligence, the McDonald's coffee case would look like peanuts.
That's the difference.