I think you were the first person to mention stealing anything here. I hope people refuse to give Blizzard any support with this - financial or emotional, until they resolve their actions towards others.
I definitely don't suggest anyone steal anything. I also don't suggest anyone commit copyright violations, which is what copying non-free software is - not robbery. I hope people just avoid Blizzard in general, although of course they're free to do whatever they want.
You're right that no one will notice my boycotting Blizzard, beyond my friends, who think I'm nuts. But I'm going to refuse to be part of the problem here, and I'm going to try to educate as many people as I can about how they can not contribute to the problem as well.
The United States was founded on a document called the Declaration of Independance, written primarily by Thomas Jefferson. That document starts with a list of inalienable rights - IE, ones that may not be taken away from any person in a just world.
By the right to liberty, he intended for every person to have the right to think and speak freely as well as to hold any opinion and persue any endeavor without fear of persecution. The pursuit of happiness was the intention for every citizen to have a right to find purpose in thier lives, and seek personal joy. These intentions are the basis of the American government.
The U.S. Constitution provides a list of explicit rights, intended to support the notions set forth in the Declaration. Also, the Supreme Court has found in many situations that American citizens have innumerabe implicit rights, stemming from both the intent of the law (the Declaration of Independance) and inherent in the mechanisms in the explicit rights of the Constitution.
I have a RIGHT to freedom, implicitly states and explicity defined - including the freedom to make software, provided it does not violate the laws of copyright or have no purpose beyond illegal ones.
Yes, the U.S. has strayed far from it's roots. And it's happened because people were willing to give money to the people who were breaking the system. By standing up for the rights, no matter how insignificant, of a small software development group, you can help stem the tide of corruption that has taken over our government, and help bring the concept of the corporation back to what it was intended to do - a tool to serve the public, not a weapon to use against their rights.
Blizzard hinged their business model on something they could not control. They saw it slipping from their grap and were not smart (or decent) enough to solve the problem technically or in a business fashion.
So they used the courts, and, shotgun style, went after a group that had nothing to do with the problem.
Bnetd did not pirate games. They did nothing illegal, but provided a tool that others could use - both for legal and illegal uses. Blizzard attacked them and shut them down not because a court said they could, but because the promise of massive legal fees prevented them from defending themselves at the time.
Blizzard's created a situation where their revenue was easy to circumvent, and then chose to go after a third party, not the lawbreakers, when they started to understand how dumb their business model was.
I didn't accredit fault - I indicated where it would be proper to apply pressure to fix a situation, and I think I did it in the right order of importance.
Yes, arming the citizenry would provide a deterrence to assault. Yes, dressing less attractively will reduce your chances of rape. Both of these carry personal and societal costs that may or may not outweigh the value of the solution in question.
It has nothing to do with fault, but with reality. The fault in this situation is obviously in the hands of those that did illegal acts. The best prevention in this situation would have probably been better technical protection.
And, still, none of this has anything to do with Bnetd, except that Blizzard used the DMCA to kill the project.
You may want to learn a little more about this before you talk about it - you're hurting people that don't deserve it.
First, Bnetd never had wc3 support - before or after the beta release. You're thinking of a different project.
Second, Warforge, the server project that did provide wc3 support, wasn't doing anything wrong.
Third, Blizzard's beef should have been with the crews that cracked the protection built into wc3, thier beta testers who illegaly distributed copies, and their own developers that built a system that was cracked so easily.
None of this, that or the other had anything to do with bnetd, except that Blizzard sicced the DMCA on them.
Was this intended in some way to argue or reinforce the point I was making, or did you just want to make a point of your own, and chose to attach it to my message?
I'm sure that as soon as they get all the ducks in a row, they'll use the DMCA to shut down the bittorrent project, since it can be used to pirate thier games.
Everyone keep in mind that this is the same Blizzard that shut down bnetd and freecraft, and now they're just trying to use your bandwidth to pay for thier beta release.
Avoid these morons and stop giving them money until they drop the suits and make resitution over the projects they tried to destroy.
Flat out. It's a wrong move to trust them. Evil or not, predator or not, MS is known to use it's influence over technology and technology companies to destroy competition.
In this case, you're making a decision where it's openly known by all parties that MS can stop all of your work at any time of their choosing - ANY TIME!
The fact that they've made a non-binding promise to leave you alone has nothing to do with how they will act in the future. Microsoft lies. Microsoft cheats. And Microsoft will - guaranteed - use their legal rights to destroy gnome if it ever proves a threat.
Keep in mind that the people who are making you promises today may not even be there when MS shuts gnome down. Using this technology is death for the Gnome project, at some unspecified point in the future - either through technical failure, nonadoption, or simple legal cancellation by MS.
I'm a 100% gnome user. But now I have to start cross-training myself, because the day is not far off that I will switch, just to avoid being locked in by this terrible, terrible decision...
Aren't you actually required to have a prototype?
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Did he just point to a Coke can and say "Like this, but big!"
Are they your rabbits or something? If not, why do you care? You should stay home. Let the country people have their fun. Let the dogs get their exercise.
If leave them alone, maybe nobody will get hurt here but the rabbits.
I'm trying to understand this... These people really chase rabbits for fun? And these other really try to stop them for fun? None of this seems very fun.
Maybe linux admins make more- I'm not sure. But I do know that a competent Linux admin can maintain hundreds of boxes - whereas a Windows admin probably can't...
Nah, you want to take a look at the set of cool 12v neon lights and "dash mod switches" for your motherboard concerns. Like a big red capped "missle launch" button for your power switch.:)
Sure, and my not going to the movies isn't even noticed by the RIAA, and my refusing to work for MS-only shops only hurts me.
A quote I heard yesterday - no single drop of rain thinks it's to blame for the flood. We're all at fault for this mess, and if the only benefit I can give is by being an example - OK, I can live with that, as ineffectual as it may be.
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What are you talking about? That bra-pulling gag was concentual, from what I've heard.
The broadcasters are already controlled by the market - if people like it and watch, they will continue. If people don't, they will not.
You have the right to watch something else. Leave free speech alone, you fucking cock-knocker.
How is anyone "forced to listen" to obscenity on the airwaves? Change the channel.
It doesn't hurt kids to swear, or to hear swearing.
It hurts kids to not teach them boundaries, and to excuse them when they do things 'to get rises out of people.'
Yes, almost certainly.
I think you were the first person to mention stealing anything here. I hope people refuse to give Blizzard any support with this - financial or emotional, until they resolve their actions towards others.
I definitely don't suggest anyone steal anything. I also don't suggest anyone commit copyright violations, which is what copying non-free software is - not robbery. I hope people just avoid Blizzard in general, although of course they're free to do whatever they want.
You're right that no one will notice my boycotting Blizzard, beyond my friends, who think I'm nuts. But I'm going to refuse to be part of the problem here, and I'm going to try to educate as many people as I can about how they can not contribute to the problem as well.
The United States was founded on a document called the Declaration of Independance, written primarily by Thomas Jefferson. That document starts with a list of inalienable rights - IE, ones that may not be taken away from any person in a just world.
By the right to liberty, he intended for every person to have the right to think and speak freely as well as to hold any opinion and persue any endeavor without fear of persecution. The pursuit of happiness was the intention for every citizen to have a right to find purpose in thier lives, and seek personal joy. These intentions are the basis of the American government.
The U.S. Constitution provides a list of explicit rights, intended to support the notions set forth in the Declaration. Also, the Supreme Court has found in many situations that American citizens have innumerabe implicit rights, stemming from both the intent of the law (the Declaration of Independance) and inherent in the mechanisms in the explicit rights of the Constitution.
I have a RIGHT to freedom, implicitly states and explicity defined - including the freedom to make software, provided it does not violate the laws of copyright or have no purpose beyond illegal ones.
Yes, the U.S. has strayed far from it's roots. And it's happened because people were willing to give money to the people who were breaking the system. By standing up for the rights, no matter how insignificant, of a small software development group, you can help stem the tide of corruption that has taken over our government, and help bring the concept of the corporation back to what it was intended to do - a tool to serve the public, not a weapon to use against their rights.
Does that help?
Blizzard hinged their business model on something they could not control. They saw it slipping from their grap and were not smart (or decent) enough to solve the problem technically or in a business fashion.
So they used the courts, and, shotgun style, went after a group that had nothing to do with the problem.
Bnetd did not pirate games. They did nothing illegal, but provided a tool that others could use - both for legal and illegal uses. Blizzard attacked them and shut them down not because a court said they could, but because the promise of massive legal fees prevented them from defending themselves at the time.
Blizzard's created a situation where their revenue was easy to circumvent, and then chose to go after a third party, not the lawbreakers, when they started to understand how dumb their business model was.
I didn't accredit fault - I indicated where it would be proper to apply pressure to fix a situation, and I think I did it in the right order of importance.
Yes, arming the citizenry would provide a deterrence to assault. Yes, dressing less attractively will reduce your chances of rape. Both of these carry personal and societal costs that may or may not outweigh the value of the solution in question.
It has nothing to do with fault, but with reality. The fault in this situation is obviously in the hands of those that did illegal acts. The best prevention in this situation would have probably been better technical protection.
And, still, none of this has anything to do with Bnetd, except that Blizzard used the DMCA to kill the project.
You may want to learn a little more about this before you talk about it - you're hurting people that don't deserve it.
First, Bnetd never had wc3 support - before or after the beta release. You're thinking of a different project.
Second, Warforge, the server project that did provide wc3 support, wasn't doing anything wrong.
Third, Blizzard's beef should have been with the crews that cracked the protection built into wc3, thier beta testers who illegaly distributed copies, and their own developers that built a system that was cracked so easily.
None of this, that or the other had anything to do with bnetd, except that Blizzard sicced the DMCA on them.
Thier bad business model isn't a valid reason to remove my rights.
This is still the little arm of Vivendi - you may remember them as the company that used the DMCA to kill bnetd and tried to kill freecraft?
Screw them - playing games isn't important enough to give money to jackholes like this.
Was this intended in some way to argue or reinforce the point I was making, or did you just want to make a point of your own, and chose to attach it to my message?
Hey, that's great, but ... Did Blizzard actually give them permission to go forward with the new name, or are they just assuming it'll be okay now?
I'm sure that as soon as they get all the ducks in a row, they'll use the DMCA to shut down the bittorrent project, since it can be used to pirate thier games.
Everyone keep in mind that this is the same Blizzard that shut down bnetd and freecraft, and now they're just trying to use your bandwidth to pay for thier beta release.
Avoid these morons and stop giving them money until they drop the suits and make resitution over the projects they tried to destroy.
Flat out. It's a wrong move to trust them. Evil or not, predator or not, MS is known to use it's influence over technology and technology companies to destroy competition.
In this case, you're making a decision where it's openly known by all parties that MS can stop all of your work at any time of their choosing - ANY TIME!
The fact that they've made a non-binding promise to leave you alone has nothing to do with how they will act in the future. Microsoft lies. Microsoft cheats. And Microsoft will - guaranteed - use their legal rights to destroy gnome if it ever proves a threat.
Keep in mind that the people who are making you promises today may not even be there when MS shuts gnome down. Using this technology is death for the Gnome project, at some unspecified point in the future - either through technical failure, nonadoption, or simple legal cancellation by MS.
I'm a 100% gnome user. But now I have to start cross-training myself, because the day is not far off that I will switch, just to avoid being locked in by this terrible, terrible decision...
Did he just point to a Coke can and say "Like this, but big!"
Are they your rabbits or something? If not, why do you care? You should stay home. Let the country people have their fun. Let the dogs get their exercise.
If leave them alone, maybe nobody will get hurt here but the rabbits.
I'm trying to understand this... These people really chase rabbits for fun? And these other really try to stop them for fun? None of this seems very fun.
I hope they eat the rabbits.
Maybe linux admins make more- I'm not sure. But I do know that a competent Linux admin can maintain hundreds of boxes - whereas a Windows admin probably can't...
Does anyone else suspect that Darl and his family blamed some innocent cowboys and the used the legal system to steal their livestock?
Nah, you want to take a look at the set of cool 12v neon lights and "dash mod switches" for your motherboard concerns. Like a big red capped "missle launch" button for your power switch. :)
Sure, and my not going to the movies isn't even noticed by the RIAA, and my refusing to work for MS-only shops only hurts me.
A quote I heard yesterday - no single drop of rain thinks it's to blame for the flood. We're all at fault for this mess, and if the only benefit I can give is by being an example - OK, I can live with that, as ineffectual as it may be.
In a positive way for a change. I'm going to go out and buy a new set of plugs, a filter and a case of oil right now.
It's nice to be able to add someone to the "support them" list instead of the Boycott list, like EV1.
Hang Tight, AZ. You've just gained a mess of geek support.