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SCO - EV1, Licensees, Groklaw, Armed Guards
Camel Pilot writes "It looks like the CEO of EV1Servers underestimated the reaction to giving in to SCO demands and licensing Linux. I know we were looking for a new hosting home, and had EV1 at the top of the list, but now they are not even a consideration..."
An anonymous reader writes "InfoWorld has an article with more info on Computer Associates denying being a SCO Linux licensee." Also, Mick Ohrberg writes "Pamela Jones, creator of Groklaw, an independent legal research site, responds to some allegations presented by SCO CEO Darl McBride." Finally, an anonymous reader writes "According to the Deseret News, Darl McBride says he sometimes carries a gun because his enemies are out to kill him. He checks into hotels under assumed names. An armed body guard protected him at Harvard Law School when he gave a speech last month." Update: 03/08 20:17 GMT by S : cdlu writes "Now the SEC is unofficially confirming some interest in the SCO and Microsoft connection, according to Newsforge [part of OSDN, like this site]."
Soooooo, it was actually Darl? It would explain the dope, but didn't we all think it was crack he was on?
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
According to the Deseret News, Darl McBride says he sometimes carries a gun because his enemies are out to kill him.
;-)
Hardly. The only thing Darl needs protection from is his own big mouth. Let's hope he never realises that while he's carrying his gun
BTW, does anyone else think the SCO logo there looks like a big red beachball with Mickey Mouse's head on the side???
Code, Hardware, stuff like that.
And one gives in and willingly pays while the others refuse, of course everyone else will be upset.
I'm thinking that 'Ole Darl may have made the final plunge into the Tin Foil Hat club.
"Please invest your money with me. I'm paranoid as hell, but my paranoia keeps your money safe. It's in a Mayonaise jar buried underneath my dead cat so that Black Helicopters can't find it."
Oh yeah, this company'll last.
Darl is now a paranoid litigous bastard
"It's not a stock price drop, it's a temporary dip until we pick another huge company to sue."
Beep beep.
They've got an old-fashioned toilet with a space between the water container and the wall.
An SEC staff member told NewsForge that complaints and tips about suspected under-the-table funding, stock-kiting, illegal insider trading, and money-laundering involving Microsoft or Microsoft-connected individuals to the financially struggling SCO Group have been coming into the agency with regularity since last August. Newsforge
Belief is the currency of delusion.
How can you rot in prison if we shoot you? You've got nothing to fear from us. Perhaps the gun you carry is to keep you out of jail when the game is up?
Darl McBride says he sometimes carries a gun because his enemies are out to kill him. He checks into hotels under assumed names. An armed body guard protected him at Harvard Law School when he gave a speech last month
Lets see... one guy pisses off a buncha nerds. He's afraid of firepower?
Uhh... Darl... the only thing you need to worry about is stuff like cracking your servers and DoS attacks. Both of which you have survived.
Really, if frivilous lawsuits caused people to fear for their lives, something is wrong witht his world.
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
Yeah, better arm yourself with weapons, `cause you never know what those violent GTA-playing maniacs might do...
Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.
Okay now that I've attracted ire from everyone without a sense of humor; It makes perfect sense for him to say that. SCO's success hinges on making people feel sorry for them. Making people feel sorry for Darl because he "has" to carry a gun is a big step in the right direction (along those lines) and most of the sheeple will fall for it, because they don't know the real story. Bravo, Darl, good work. See you in hell.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
He must know about ESR.
Check out the update at Yahoo.
From the article, The Islandia, N.Y., company, one of the biggest makers of corporate software, said that although it signed the licenses, it didn't pay for them -- and never would
Signed but not paid???
Free XBox, PS2
From the article: ... Any report that we made a cash payment of seven figures is highly exaggerated, and it disappoints me that that quote is out there in the media," Marsh said. "The contract that we signed with SCO specifically prohibits any party from discussing the economics of the transaction. If you have an agreement that calls for certain aspects to be protected, then you would hope that that would be respected." ..."
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Like, SCO can read, understand, or comply with a contract; that they can be relied upon to disclose factual information, and that they're not in a media war. Give me a break. What the hell did you expect?
Now I'm not one to make threats (instead, I just tell him to put up or shut up), but in any social group, there will be those who will feel the need to take extreme measures against a threat, be it real or perceived.
This sig no verb.
so now they can sue SCO and get their money back!
I like microcars
I switched away from them mainly because they paid SCO
... I'd switch to BSD. :)
IANAL, but wouldn't that be a great way to get SCO off your back?
You're right, I wouldn't steal a car. But if it were possible, I sure as hell would download one!
Darl McBride says he sometimes carries a gun because his enemies are out to kill him. He checks into hotels under assumed names. An armed body guard protected him at Harvard Law School when he gave a speech last month."
Yeah darl, and when I was 8 years old I too was a spy, and everyone was out to get me. trust no one you know. I'd sneak around under a blanket and surprise my parents with my leet disguise skills, only to quietly slink back into the darkness and surprise yet another family member.
By the time I turned 9 the whole attention seeking bullshit act left me and I started growing up. Try it sometime, it's not all that bad.
Darl McBride says he sometimes carries a gun because his enemies are out to kill him.
I am not entirely sure who would really want to kill him? I mean, this guy's stupidity is such that he shouldn't be put out of his misery but instead ridiculed and mocked for as long as we possibly can. We should use his actions in case studies on what -not- to do. He should be more worried of people pointing a finger and laughing then people pointing a gun and shooting.
Such is my Humble Opinion.
Sig? No thanks, I don't smoke.
Maybe it won't hold up in court, but at least it will burn off some of the cash SCO received and spread their legal team a little thinner.
===== Murphy's Law is recursive. =====
God help McBride if video games cause violence in people....
Sue the litigious bastards. They'd sue you.
I have been using 1 and 1 since they came out with their last promotion and I have to say it is awesome. I would highly reccomend it to anyone looking for hosting. They have the whole range of services and they run Linux without a pointless sco license.
Mike
Darl McBride, chief executive of SCO Group Inc., says he sometimes carries a gun because his enemies are out to kill him. He checks into hotels under assumed names. An armed body guard protected him at Harvard Law School when he gave a speech last month.
Darl McBride
Linus Torvalds, creator of the Linux operating system, calls SCO "the most despised company in technology."
The reason: SCO is claiming rights to the Linux open source software code that thousands of users and supporters say should have no owner. SCO brought a $50 billion suit against International Business Machines Corp. last year and last week turned on Linux users DaimlerChrysler AG and AutoZone Inc., suing for an injunction and unspecified damages.
"We are fighting the big battle," McBride said in a telephone interview from his office at SCO headquarters in Lindon.
McBride, 44, is pitting SCO against an industry it once helped develop. Less than two years ago SCO, formerly Caldera International Inc., was helping to form a standard version of Linux to compete with Microsoft Corp.'s Windows. Once McBride took the helm in June 2002, the company changed tack, hired attorney David Boies and began claiming that Linux users infringed on SCO's intellectual property.
Linux has attracted thousands of individuals and companies, some of whom see it as the only credible threat to Windows. Others use it because it's cheaper.
The software is now being used by companies ranging from DaimlerChrysler, the world's largest maker of luxury cars, to Lehman Brothers Inc, the fourth-largest U.S. securities firm by capital, to Google Inc., the world's most widely used Internet search engine. Lockheed Martin Corp., the world's largest defense contractor, also has servers that run on Linux as part of its computer network.
IBM pushes computers that run on the Linux operating system. Shipments of Linux-powered server computers, fast machines used to run Web sites, rose 53 percent in the fourth quarter, more than double the rate of Windows servers, market researcher IDC said.
McBride and SCO are more hated than Microsoft, the world's largest software maker, and its chairman, Bill Gates, according to some Linux backers. That's because SCO, once a backer of Linux, has turned around and attacked the essence of the system: its free source code.
"SCO are just complete hypocrites," said Jeremy Allison, co-author of Samba, an open-source software that runs a file and print service that SCO sells.
SCO says it owns the copyright to the Unix system and that parts of the Unix code have been copied into Linux. SCO is demanding payment from each user of Linux. Novell Inc. separately is disputing SCO's claim to Unix.
SCO claims IBM is distributing the Linux software containing its copyrighted Unix code. It claims companies such as Red Hat Inc. are building products using the same code. The company broadened its legal attack by suing AutoZone for using software that contains the code, and DaimlerChrysler for not certifying that Unix, which it obtained via license with SCO, has been used inappropriately.
DaimlerChrysler spokesman Han Tjan said he had no comment on SCO's suit. AutoZone Chief Executive Steve Odland declined to comment on the claims. IBM spokeswoman Trink Guarino said the suit is groundless and the company will contest it.
Linux, invented in 1991 by Torvalds as a student in Finland, found converts in part because it was a free, publicly shared operating system. Anyone can work on and modify the source code of Linux. By contrast, Microsoft licenses its Windows code only to select partners, which don't have permission to make changes.
McBride is getting the most heat from the thousands of volunteers who have worked on Linux over the past 13 years. They say SCO has no claim on the code.
"The real reason why people don't like SCO, and Darl McBride in particular, is that he is so dishonest," Torvalds, 34, said in an e-mail.
McBride has done battle before. He compares
EV1Servers underestimated the reaction to giving in to SCO demands
So they bought a licence, big deal. He's just covering his ass, and the ass of everyone who chooses EV1. The courts will not rule in IBM's favour just because linux geeks don't like it. Hell, it's not like it even matters! We havent even SEEN the "evidence" yet. what if SCO really does have a case, and they suddenly start suing every colo firm that runs linux?
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As a young man, McBride participated in rodeo events and helped perform chores with his cowboy father, Pat. Together, they tamed wild horses. He graduated from Brigham Young University after serving as a missionary with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Japan.
Mormons never lie. Especially when they are wearing the magic underwear.
I especially found the part about comparing the linux community to cow rustlers at his family farm quite funny. It would be really funny to find out he was making this story up as well.
"According to the Deseret News, Darl McBride says he sometimes carries a gun because his enemies are out to kill him. He checks into hotels under assumed names."
Looks like baseball bats won't work in this case....
Mod Karma -1: I sed bad wurds. If I cep my mouf shut, I wud be at riyses.
will be able to get a refund on their linux servers. That whooshing sound are their customers up and leaving...
I'm not a big fan of people taking the law into their own hands, but...
It's one thing to throw rocks at someone from the safety of a cushy penthouse and the security of a legal/corporate structure designed to benefit and serve you (and those like you). Must be a tad unsettling to find that one's actions as a corporate entity can lead to consequences in the real world.
On another note...
If his handgun is as powerful as his legal standing, I'm guessing it's a .32 automatic.
The Dalai LLama .22 and I found out about it, I'd be mad as hell!" - Some Texas Ranger
"If someone ever shot me with a
My sig could be your sig!
That ol' Darl needs a brain pacemaker.
Who wants to take bets it won't be long before he's talking about BlackOps helicopters, that Desi Arnaz killed JFK, and that he's got proof that the US military is building landing strips for gay martians?
Cruising the internet on my TI-99/4A @ a whopping 300 baud!
I know we were looking for a new hosting home, and had EV1 at the top of the list, but now they are not even a consideration...
And I seriously wonder who (from those who aren't old SCO customers) could consider SCO as their business partner or source of any kind of product or services?
For us it looks like SCO is a walking dead, inflated and kept alive by stockmarket gamblers yet, but about to fall apart. Is this right?
Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
It's not surprising that anything SCO would sign would contain limited disclosure clauses. But, since Darl has clearly tried to claim that EV1 gave SCO $1,000,000+ in cash, and EV1 seems to want to stomp that down... can't EV1 sue SCO for breach of the agreement just a few days after it was signed?
McBride, 44, is pitting SCO against an industry it once helped develop.
I'm confused. I read this expecting a short treatise on the history of law and litigation to follow, yet it started talking about companies like Caldera International Inc., a software company.
According to Newsforge there is likely already an SEC investigation ongoing.
Also, to plug my own horn, I've written up a few things on the financial dealings. Most are from August 2003, but the most recent relates to the Anderer memo.
well disney are a bunch of thieves aswell. they stole the lion king, aswell as little nemo.
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http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a991224.ht
there is a lion king link.
here is a finding nemo link:
http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story
so yeah, add sco to the list of thieves.
it's like when i was little, my younger brother would punch me and then tell our mom i punched him. so i'd go infront of my mom and punch him REALLY hard and then say, "ok, now's it's true".
as if sco does this. what bastards.
i hope the jerk DOES get shot! wouldn't be by me but i bet no one would miss the s.o.b. there are enough bad people already.
we need more good people.
blue tiger
From the article: "Any report that we made a cash payment of seven figures is highly exaggerated, and it disappoints me that that quote is out there in the media," Marsh said. "The contract that we signed with SCO specifically prohibits any party from discussing the economics of the transaction. If you have an agreement that calls for certain aspects to be protected, then you would hope that that would be respected." That's what he gets for messing around with a company like SCO.
I already cancelled my service with EV1, and if you host through them you should two and recommend to anyone you know not to use them either.
Damn right they underestimated, lets put those f***ers out of business.
According to the Feds, Martha Stewart is worse than Darl! How much taxpayer money was spent prosecuting her for a $60,000 stock trade? What Darl is doing is far worse. He basically a corporate terrorist, trying to extort big companies for lots of money with the threat of litigation, for something he has NO OWNERSHIP rights to. And the Feds don't have a problem with this? They must have their heads completely up their asses sideways.
So Darl carries a gun to protect himself from those who might do him harm, just as SCO filed suit against IBM to protect their intellectual property from being improperly exploited.
Wouldn't it be deliciously ironic, then, if Darl's gun accidentally goes off at some point -- in effect, killing himself? This would roughly parallel the grave SCO is digging themselves, even as we speak. After all is said and done, SCO will ultimately be responsible for its own demise........
Darl wouldn't be carrying a gun, but he would be locked behind bars where he belongs. When you attempt to hijack and subvert the work of thousands of others for your own unjust enrichment through a stream of falshoods and implausable legal proceedings you're a criminal in my book.
Hopefully jail will be McBride's ultimate fate. Crooks should be locked up and Darl McBride is a brazen example of one in my opinion.
Yep. Them dang alien critters are sure bein after him. Jes can't take anouff percautions.
Seriously, Darl seems to be living in his own little world, doesn't he? Anybody want to venture a clinical guess on what's wrong with him? Paranoid schizophrenia? Delusions of grandeur? Isn't there some point where the company physician gets to remove him from office?
"Is this Winkhorst a nova criminal?" "No just a technical sergeant wanted for interrogation."
come on! if bill can take a pie to the face, so can you darl!
This is so over the top!
First lines of the article:
Darl McBride, chief executive of SCO Group Inc., says he sometimes carries a gun because his enemies are out to kill him. He checks into hotels under assumed names. An armed body guard protected him at Harvard Law School when he gave a speech last month.
Linus Torvalds, creator of the Linux operating system, calls SCO 'the most despised company in technology.'
...later...
In January, McBride's unlisted home telephone number was placed on Slashdot.org, a pro-Linux Internet site, which led to harassing phone calls on Super Bowl Sunday. Hackers also targeted the company's Web site with the Mydoom virus earlier this year, causing the company to shut down the site.
McBride said he sometimes carries a gun, declining to specify the type, and travels with armed guards. The gun is licensed, he said. Security officials have told him that convicted felons are behind the death threats, McBride said.
Lookie! It's the juxtaposition trick! Darl says, "I feel threatened," then mention someone (Linus) saying something threatening. Talk about linux advocates attacking making harassing phone calls, then mention unspecified convicted felons making death threats.
A classic example of propaganda I've ever seen one...
Shouldn't they? If people brought up frivilous lawsuits and suddently found themselves staring down the barrel of a gun...I'm sure they would reconsider abusing the law.
Maybe death is a bit extreme, but frivilous lawsuits shouldn't just be shrugged off. We ALL pay for them, one way or another.
How long until he shoots himself in the foot?
echo 'Header append X-HD-DVD "0x09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0"' >>
SCOX is down 2% today, reaching a new low for 2004. The stock has been in a screaming dive since December, dropping from 19 to 11.
Does anyone else suspect that Darl and his family blamed some innocent cowboys and the used the legal system to steal their livestock?
Slashdot in and of itself is not pro-linux, most of its reader-base is. The way its worded in the article, one would imagine it being a "linux elitist" group.
What's another word for Thesaurus?
-Steve Wright
We may make fun of his paranoia, but don't forget that there are a lot of unstable people out there (and yes, some of them even like Linux). Don't rule out that one of them really goes over the edge.
Its really our emotional response to threats. No different from any criminal threatening your hopes, dreams, your work, career or family.
EV1Servers should have simply waited until the SCO v. IBM was finished the appeals.
We've been desperately saying this - all we want is facts. Cold hard code with clear attribution and this has not been forthcoming from anyone to date.
EV1Servers have been tarnished because no-one knows who to trust right yet. For me if Torvalds says he wrote that code then he did and it stays that way until he says "Oh yeah I remember, I copied that from an old Computer or DDJ magazine or found it on a FTP site." or something equally absurd.
I'm sure there are a lot more people in the world that dislike Gates than there are that Actually know who McBride is. He's milking it, playing the victim, textbook passive agressive actions.
I'm curious how many EV1 customers have cancelled their account in protest? This statement by Robert "Headsurfer" Marsh is very pathetic - he did what he did and now he has no way of backing out of it.
I'm personally an EV1servers customer, and I will be cancelling my account this week (couldn't last week because of a nasty essay I had due).
-j
"So we felt like we were doing the right thing for customers, the right thing for ourselves and the right thing for our shareholders. We felt (that paying the licensing fee) put our customers and ourselves in a position where we could concentrate on our business instead of a bunch of lawsuits."
Its funny he never thought of doing the right thing for Linux. Considering how many Linux machines he has in which he paid $0 for the operating system you would think that there would be some loyalty. Linux probably played a key role in EV1's growth over the years. This guy is just another example of someone who will take take take from our community and never give anything back.
Man, what a jackass that guy is.
I feel bad for EV1. They had developed a good reputation in the linux space through a lot of good hard work.
I don't know what possessed them to sign up for the SCO licensing and fund the destruction of a software product they built their business on.
Or sign an agreement with a company that has a history of suing its customers.
Strange times indeed.
"The contract that we signed with SCO specifically prohibits any party from discussing the economics of the transaction."
Am I the only one hoping EV1 joins RH and IBM in countersuing SCO, in this case for violating their own contract? IANAL but it seems like EV1 would be within their rights to demand a refund due to the violation as well. I'm sure if they started taking action like this, they'd gain some respect and community support.
In January, McBride's unlisted home telephone number was placed on Slashdot.org, a pro-Linux Internet site, which led to harassing phone calls on Super Bowl Sunday. Hackers also targeted the company's Web site with the Mydoom virus earlier this year, causing the company to shut down the site.
BAH! Don't open attachments, fool. Like someone specifically created MyDoom for SCO. Get a life. Now if someone had breached the webserver using the vulnerable OpenSSL hooks.. that would have been something newsworthy.. (Note, the server is no longer vulnerable"
I'm thinking that the weapon most appropriate to DmB's legal standing is a slingshot with BBs fashioned from Silly Putty.
Last line of the EV1 article:
"If you have an agreement that calls for certain aspects to be protected, then you would hope that that would be respected."
So let me get this straight... they signed a contract with a company whose business model is based on FUD, who licensed their own code under the GPL and now calls the GPL "unconstitutional" and they expect the finer terms of a contract to be strictly adhered to? By SCO?
If EV1 loses all their customers, it won't come as any great surprise to anyone who has followed the SCO battle. Their CEO should have done his homework so he knew who he was dealing with.
Thank you for towing the line, keeping your site "unmonetized", your tireless work, your insight and frankly wonderful genius!
:)
I just have to cheer- that letter is full of soul-satisfying smackdown.
GrokLaw is definitely a zeitgheist (sp?), it embodies the spirit of the Open Source movement and quite frankly is an example to all of us as to what we should be doing if we aren't already.
BIG standing O from the peanut gallery! I know my next charitable contribution is going to Ibiblio, and I know our hero(ine) will be well rewarded!
</soapbox>
Any generalization is a stupid one.
but I do know of at least one employee who's received death threats. I'd be very surprised if Daryl hasn't.
Cannabis is not dope, less harmfull than alcohol
THC might not be as harmful, but smoking pot also makes you inhale fun things like tar, and other poisons.
Though some recent studies have linked pot with long term memory loss and other fun things.
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I am a programmer. I am paid to produce syntax not grammar. Deal with it.
While I think you're correct that there has been a lot of 'bad' or 'uninformed' complaints, I know that there have been some informed too, especially concerning Jonathan Cohen.
One thing that indicates that the SEC is doing something (whatever scope) is that SCO has been late with some documents concerning the Bayster/Royce-deal. The contract says that they only to SCO non-damaging way for them to be late with this particular filing is during a SEC investigation. Someone else should post the details since I'm a little fuzzy on those...
Belief is the currency of delusion.
Darl McBride shoots himself in the foot... Because he knows us Linux Hackers has implanted a monitoring device in his shoes so we can steel his precious SCO Code.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Given SCO's interpretation of Derivative Works, the statement above actually sounds logical...
But then again, given SCO's interpretation of Derivative Works, we all owe royalties to Ada Byron Lovelace...
How come Slashdot never gets Slashdotted?
I'm thinking that 'Ole Darl may have made the final plunge into the Tin Foil Hat club.
Speaking of tinfoil hats, the following from a long, somewhat boring, analysis of SEC docs that SCO has filed:
# Jul 2002 McBride is hired
# Aug 2002 Morgan Keegan is hired
# Aug 2002 Caldera changes name to The SCO Group
# Sep/Nov/? 2002 MS memo discussing using intellectual property as an attack against open source is floating around in Germany and later publically
# Oct - Dec 2002 SCO later admits to beginning to look at its own intellectual properties and first makes noise about UnixWare binary libraries.
# Jan 2003 SCO creates stronger language to indemnify its officers of criminal activity
# Dec? 2002 - Jan? 2003 At some point Boies is brought in, likely via Morgan Keegan, to negotiate license/stock deals with Sun and Microsoft
# Feb 2003 Morgan Keegan clarifies its arrangement with SCO and includes language indicating they are anticipating an IBM buyout, though without naming IBM specifically
# Feb 2003 Boies finalizes his agreement with SCO to sue IBM
# March 2003 IBM lawsuit
# Jul/Aug 2003 Anderer joins
# Oct 2003 Anderer e-mail penned
# Oct 2003 PIPE deal
# Nov 2003 Boies has no one from law firm at key press conference
# Nov 2003 Boies gets 20% of PIPE deal
# Dec 2003 PIPE investors get veto power over Boies payouts
# Nov/Dec/? 2003 16 to 20 million deal discussed by Anderer never happens
in carrying a gun. after all, is not paranoia if the open source community is really after you.
What ? Me, worry ?
No, actually, his Vice President is scheming to bump him off, blame it on the Linux folks, and run off with the money and Darl's wife. Got that, Darl? Now remember what we programmed you to do. Bibity bobity boo.
"Is this Winkhorst a nova criminal?" "No just a technical sergeant wanted for interrogation."
Speaking as a practicing Counsellor, if I were to have a client say "I carry a weapon because my enemies are out to get me", my civic duty within Canada is to report this person to the nearest Health Facility.
I classify that statement as behaviour within a psychologically disturbed mind, and one which requires neurological re-evaluation.
Just a thought.
It hasn't been covered yet although I've submitted the article yesterday and it is still pending but the most significant development in the SCO debacle is here, this broke on Saturday, basically Opinder Bawa, SCO's senior VP in charge of technology and development has been advocating the use of the Unix ABI with Linux and linking to a downloadable module to help SCO's ABI work on Linux, both admitting that Linux is thoroughly incompatible while encouraging what they've been implying is infringing use. This is quite stunning considering that SCO has been implausibly claiming copyright over Linux ABI headers.
And of course groklaw has news today that the SEC may be taking an active interest in the Microsoft SCO relationship on various grounds.
Any time SCO comes up for discussion, I have noticed the subtle jibes at Linux usually by AC's. There is nothing wrong with educated discussion but I have a great fear the the FUD is creeping into /. - beware of anybody that posts AC to this forum. If you are afraid to state at least your /. name, then don't post. I have already put AC's at -6.
Stay tuned for new sig...
..of all the foolish investers who've sunk their life savings into his company's public shares.
Which when they tank into penny stocks, will result in death threats from people who really do mean it.
Darl should just wrap himself SCO's bulletproof evidence that they own Linux. That will shield him from any attack!
Darl: "Oh yeah, buy an SCO license, and help me pay for my bodyguard, who keeps me from being shot by people who disagree with the license you're buying. "
What an advertisement for yourself, Darl.
Darl's check in names at hotels:
"Line X. Sucks"
"Bill G. Ismydaddy"
"Alota V. Lawshutz"
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"McBride has done battle before. He compares his fight with Linux supporters to the time when his family caught thieves stealing cattle from their ranch in Utah.
"We brought those guys to justice," he said. "It's very similar to what we are dealing with here."
Because he blatantly lies about owning code in the Linux kernel?
Because he has no respect for other people's copyrights? He is still selling NMap even after his right to do so was revoked.
Because he tries to extort money much like a modern day mobster?
Because he compares Linux users to cattle rustlers?
All of the above things would irritate any rational person but I haven't heard any proof that anyone wants to kill this pathetic little man. Just another lie designed to say "Look at poor me! I'm the victim here! Look at me.... look at me..."
Pathetic really pathetic.
The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
WTF, how is this a troll? Stupid shithead mods.
This kind of attitude is exactly why linux will never succeed on the desktop.
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Darl is so hopelessly outclassed by Pamela Jones.
And I'm so pleased that one woman with motivation and smarts can so utterly rock SCO.
.sigs are for post^Hers.
"Yes. Disney is infringing upon our trademark. And no, we can't show you the other ear."
He checks into hotels under assumed names.
Isn't that illegal? If anyone here happens to work at a hotel, please call johnny law if you happen to catch him doing this.
More people should complain to the SEC if this is what it takes to find out who's funding (and profiting) from this legal wild goose chase.
"If you have an agreement that calls for certain aspects to be protected, then you would hope that that would be respected."
SCO are already claiming IBM leaked the Halloween X e-mail. I'm guessing this is their great plan for.. LOOK AT THE WOOKIE!
Belief is the currency of delusion.
Just ran across this updated article on CNN Money. Nice to see the larger media outlets finally showing some responsible journalism vs. just regurgitating Darl's press releases.
Now if only the SEC is truly, finally looking into this whole scam...!
Watching slashdot commentary if a guilty verdict comes down against IBM will be like watching Martha Stewart apologists ranting about how it was only for sixty thousand dollars...and how she'd willingly give it back. I think we're just hoping for the best, and not really preparing for the worst.
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Here's all the contact info you should ever need for Mr. McBride.
The SCO Group
355 South 520 West
Suite 100
Lindon, Utah 84042 USA
801-765-4999 phone
801-765-1313 fax
Contact SCO online
http://www.thescogroup.com/company/feedba
Darl C McBride
1799 Vintage Oak Ln
Salt Lake City, UT 84121-6539
Darl's home phone #: (801)424-2006
Darl's office phone #: 801-932-5820
Email Darl: darl@sco.com
Bodyguards will not protect him from being hit by falling stock prices.
God is REAL! Unless explicitly declared INTEGER
haha, stfu, idiot.
"He checks into hotels under assumed names. "
Mrs McB: Tell me again why you were in that hotel under a fake name?
Darl: Honest Dear, it's because of those Linux Hackers!
Mrs McB: And why did that woman think she was your wife?
Darl: That's not really loaded is it?
oh say it isn't so
Darl McBryde: We'll have so much fun it should be illegal, like copyright infringement! Ho ho ho, okay Joe, see you at the ball game!
That Marsh, of ev1.net, may have underestimated the backlash, but it doesn't say what kind of exodus there is from ev1.net. As an example, Illiad at User Friendly noted that UF is run on ev1.net servers, but he doesn't think it's worth it to switch. We like to think a lot of people are leaving ev1.net, but I'd love to see real numbers.
That said, I know there's at least one person leaving: Illiad can stick around if he wants, but I'm not letting any more of my money flow to SCO. I'm getting out, and cancelling my ev1 account at the end of the month. I hope I'm not the only one; my hundred bucks a month isn't all that important, but a bunch of us together are.
See y'all over at ServerBeach or one of the other hosting companies.
-JDF
SCO Evil Licensees ...
which just seemed consistent with the whole story line.
That was quite the rant. It's like an airbag. You never know when you might need it I'm even sure where to start correcting that other than to point out the markedly different purposes of each item. Calm the hell down dude.
Never try to extort more than it would cost to have you killed ;)
There's an upside to this: maybe now we can him arrested for armed robbery.
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
um, what?
Because someone posted that Darl should be murdered is why software will fail to work for other people? Uh... yeah.
Did you recently get beat with a stupid stick or something?
The third rule of the Tin Foil Hat Club: If this is your first night at the Tin Foil Hat Club, you have to sue.
"Darl McBride ... checks into hotels under assumed names. An armed body guard protected him at Harvard Law School when he gave a speech last month."
So, he uses different names and he has a firewall. Why doesn't he use a proxy, that way nobody would know where he was but he could still spread his verbal turd throughout the world. And if anybody attempted a denial of service attack they'd only get the proxy.
Linux/Open Source/Anti Microsoft News
Dirty dirty company. They know that this deal with SCO has a good chance of indirectly benefitting them by fucking over their competition. See, here's the deal...
SCO wants a "big dog" in their portfolio: A high-profile licensee that they can use to scare smaller guys into submission. So they go to EV1 and offer them a really good deal for licenses. And EV1 figures, hey, we're only having to pay pennies on the dollar for these licenses, and it's going to give SCO a lot of ammo for taking out *other* hosting companies...
So what do they have to lose. They pay off SCO for an amount that really doesn't make a whole lot of difference to their financials, and the SCO guys look more credible, giving them a little more of edge for attacking EV1s competitors. This line of reasoning cannot have escaped the people making this deal, and it wouldn't be suprising if SCO explicitly used this argument to convince EV1 to buy.
So basically, EV1 rolled over because by being the first to pay they get the best deal and ensure that other Linux-based companies are going to get fucked worse than they are.
This was an exceptionally greedy and selfish move, and should speak volumes about those in charge of the company. Evil, evil, evil. Shady deals made for the sole reason to screw over as many people in the industry as possible, all for the sake of more power and money.
Does that sound like a company that *you* want to support?
yeah, i certainly hope he paid for his firearm license... hate for him to get into legal trouble.
In Darls mind he's Jack Wilson (Jack Palance) saying to the Linux world "Pick up the gun!"
Where as in reality he's the Iraqi Information Minister saying that the allies are being routed whilst the tanks roll up behind him.
Worst
We are tryting to kill you Darl McBride
be afraid
The NewsForge story is nothing of the sort. The only comment by the SEC is that there have been a flood of complaints coming in with regularity over the past few months. The bulk have come via the web. IOW, all the folks who post a link to the SEC complaint page in /. stories have had people follow up and fill out the form. I assume the 'regularity' refers to the fact that people hit the page as often as /. posts a new story on SCO.
Not saying it isn't necessarily a good thing, but it's not exactly 'news'.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
"This is a very difficult issue for us," Marsh said. "It is a huge disappointment to us that we would be thrown in the same bucket, so to say, with the SCO Group. We didn't make any admission that their IP was used in Linux. Our public position is certainly not to support that, and our intent was simply to take us out of the loop, not to make us public enemy number one." So sorry Mr. Marsh, but if you're the big executive you claim to be, you should have known long ago that if you sleep with a rotten apple, its stink will most certainly rub off onto you....
Uh actually I don't think Darl is paranoid.
:-)
If everyone in the world is out to get you then it isn't paranoia, its a cogent evaluation of the situation. Does anyone here know of a person that likes Darl?
Also if you define "enemies" as "people who want to kill me", which seems reasonable, then saying "my enemies want to kill me" is not only reasonable its a tautology.
Some many of us have been thinking the same thing for so long. "Pump and Dump" or "Microsoft funding frivolous lawsuits to combat its biggest competitor (Open Source)" It took them long enough but apparently there actually going to look into this a bit, perhaps we will see Microsoft and SCO in court together, with their ass will be on the line.
What the hell took so long?
No, this is
...Does anybody else spot a Merdian Mail phone on Darl's desk, there? Oh, my! That's totally THE most SECURE company phone system EVER! Not. 9 out of 10 companies I've seen Merdian Mail deployed suffer from issues such as employee extension numbers are also the voicemail passcodes, the fact you can outdial most of the time remotely... And you can reach internal extensions, externally. Oh, my!
I was enjoying my latest edition of SCOpera on Slashdot today when I was overcome with depression. The SEC is beginning to get involved, and who knows what other ill voodoo these jackasses will bring on themselves. The show's almost over...
:(
These guys have been a major source of entertainment for me for as far back as I can remember (I drink too much). When they're arrested/sued to oblivion/banished to the seventh circle of Hell, what will I have left to amuse myself with...
Why does SCO have to be so damn stupid!? PROLONG IT. DRAW IT OUT IN A HUGE LEGAL CONFLICT. ENTERTAIN ME DAMN IT!!!
This type of action itself does not reflect poorly upon our community (kudos for clean phrasing, btw), but once the trolls get ahold of it and DoS the guy, we will come off poorly in the media.
Stay the course. Let the law do it's thing. Mod parent down quickly to minimize the community's exposure.
Dan
"He sometimes carries a gun."
Which means that Darl McBride is the newest member of the gangsta rap genre.
Don't be an ass and people won't want to kill you. You might recieve death threats from "shady business doings", ever think of that?
I am Bennett Haselton! I am Bennett Haselton!
Yes, you should fear geeks with guns. At last years Penguicon, ESR (Eric Raymond, keeper of the Halloween doc) hosted a geeks and guns session at the local gun range. The highlight of the session was that I got to shoot ESR's colt 45 commander which also shot by Linus himself.
So my advice is to take threats from geeks with guns seriously. I saw their targets and their shot groups were tight.
"Any report that we made a cash payment of seven figures is highly exaggerated, and it disappoints me that that quote is out there in the media," Marsh said. "The contract that we signed with SCO specifically prohibits any party from discussing the economics of the transaction. If you have an agreement that calls for certain aspects to be protected, then you would hope that that would be respected."
Well.. they are dealing with SCO, after all. BTW.. does anyone know where SCO made this comment about the seven figure payoff?
Groklaw is reporting on a Newsforge article that the FTC is investigating the apparent SCO/MS link exposed in the Halloween X document. I guess that some things are too obvious for even the Bush administration to totally ignore.
The FTC will not officially acknowledge it, but their comments made by officials indicate that the deal (possibly among others) is definitely on their radar.
Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
Doesn't Utah have the equivalent of the Baker act? Can't some Utah slashdotter swear out a warrent for him to be forcibly institutionalized "for his own good"?!!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
The statement about how they were 'acting in the best interest of their clients' could have been done without spending a dime with SCO.
They could have move to FreeBSD and taken the thunder from SCO and STILL been able to run all of the clients software.
You might get a kick out of reading Twenty five rules to suppress truth. The url was send to me and others from Jeff at TheLinuxshow today.
Help fight continental drift.
That is, if SCO goes under with debt, then Canopy should have to open their coffers for IBM/RedHat/et.al.
I expect that is correct, if IBM can pierce the veil.
The more interesting question is if SCO declares bankruptcy, who gets whatever IP rights they do have. (And realize that based on the Novell contracts, I don't really think they have any.) BayStar and the Royal Bank of Canada both get priority in liquidation--priority over and above IBM with a court judgement, I would imagine.
Do they get it? What if the MS connection alleged in the Anderer memo is proven? Then, do they get it? Does Canopy get it because they have a loan to SCO that is secured and, I believe, their lease to SCO is also secured.
This is an important question.
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Can't sleep, pengiuns will eat me...
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Can't sleep, pengiuns will eat me...
Can't sleep, pengiuns will eat me...
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"Linux has our technology."
"We can't show proof, it would harm us."
"My enemies are out to kill me."
I've met some people like that in my life. All of them suffering from very severe psychological problems. Old McBride is sounding more and more like he fits into that particular segment of society.
(Of course, living in Provo is, in and of itself, a warning sign.)
steve
Oh, you're not stuck, you're just unable to let go of the onion rings.
And Paula Jones as well...
Well.... good. I hope there are serious consequences to their funding of SCO's FUD.
No, seriously, folks. Hear me out.
As a suitable allegory, let's consider the South Park episode "The Chicken Lover".
(***A little spoiler-warning here for those among you who have not yet seen this episode.***)
Officer Barbrady comes out with the secret that he is in fact illiterate. This is a humongous blow for his self-esteem, and he is no longer convinced that he can maintain L&O througout the town with this impediment.
Of course, this couldn't have come at a worse time, since the town is meanwhile being terorized by an as of yet unidentified Chicken Fucker.
A weird hippy-type bookmobile worker gets involved and provides the Officer with clues, forcing the Officer to learn how to read in order for the clues to be useful to him.
To sum up this long story, Officer Barbrady eventually tracks down and apprehends the Chicken Fucker, revealing his true identity. To the shock of the people on the scene, he turns out to be none other than the bookmobile worker himself!
As it turns out, he purposely started performing those heinous crimes and passing on clues, in order to encourage the Officer to learn how to read. Successfully, as it now turned out. The Officer can now read (albeit barely) and has regained the respect of the good townspeople of South Park, by removing a dangerous freak from the streets.
Unfortunately for the "Chicken Lover", no one ends up sympathizing with him, in spite of his good intentions. He ends up sacrificing his freedom and whatever standing he had in the community in order to help the Officer. Even the latter doesn't show any appreciation as he ruthlessly hauls the perpetrator's sorry ass to prison.
So I was thinking, Darl McBride possibly knew all along this SCO lawsuit would be bogus (after all, what individual with even a spec of a brain wouldn't, right?).
Perhaps he knew that in order to protect Linux from future lawsuits, the best thing he could do was to sacrifice his company (which was going downhill anyway) as well as himself by setting a precedent with a lawsuit so outrageous, that Linux would HAVE to come out on top, deterring any future legal action by other parties.
In the end, SCO will most likely have been crushed beneath IBM's elite legal team, while Darl McBride will have lost all respect and sympathy throughout the software industry. He might even go to jail. If he purposely went through with the anti-Linux-campaign while realizing all of this in advance, then it will have been a brave, selfless, yet unrecognized act of self-sacrifice for the good of the open-source community.
Poor Darl... Darl, the Chicken Fucker...
"Oooh, does that mean we get to kick some puffy white mad zionist butt?"
I've had it with SCO. I'm going to file a class-action against THEM for offending the good name of the human brain. The entire SCO group is comprised of humans, and despite popular opinion, they are all equipped with brains. This is abuse of technology, and I won't stand for it any longer... Pity I don't know how to file a lawsuit.
In seriousness, maybe a linux user that is also a lawyer could sue SCO for causing unwanted stress for fear of having to pay them a truck load of money?
Learn something new.
... or is Darl turning into L. Ron Hubbard?
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--- "1.21 Jigawatts!" -Doc
Let me also just say that when I served as a missionary for the Church in South America, it was one of the hardest things I'd ever done, because it is a work that can only be done selflessly. Anyone who embarks on it with self-interest in mind is destined to fail miserably until they realize that it isn't about them, it's about trying to help people and about forgetting yourself in that work.
Of course, Darl has had more than 20 years to forget all the lessons he learned (if he ever did learn them) while a missionary, and he must have worked quite hard at doing so to get to the point at which he now lives.
May I carry a concealed firearm in California? Except in extremely limited circumstances, you may not carry a concealed firearm on your person in public unless you have a valid CCW license. CCW permits are issued only by a county sheriff to residents of the county, or by the head of a city police department to residents of that city.
I live in another state and have a permit to carry a concealed handgun that was issued in my home state. Does my permit allow me to carry a concealed handgun while in California? No. Weapons permits from other states are not valid in California.
The City and County of San Francisco is downright parsimonious in issuing CCW permits:
San Francisco is the toughest city in California, if not America, in which to be granted a CCW permit. Currently there are only five permits issued to non-law enforcement personnel in the city. (as of June 2003)
So if Darl carried his weapon concealed in San Francisco, and he has not obtained a permit from Sheriff Hennessey (a reporter could easily ask), he's broken California state law, and should go to jail or at least pay a stiff fine. (Had the weapon remained in a locked container, he would be okay.)
sulli
RTFJ.
According to the Deseret News article, Linus says: "The real reason why people don't like SCO, and Darl McBride in particular, is that he is so dishonest."
The article also says that Darl McBride "graduated from Brigham Young University after serving as a missionary with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Japan."
Whats up with that!? So this guy is a Latter-day Saint AND a returned missionary?! Latter-day Saints are supposed to be HONEST. This tidbit of information about Darl is particulary upsetting to me because I'm a member of the Mormon church too except I'm a huge linux fan and very anti-SCO. I even served a mission and went to BYU like he did, except I only went for a year before transferring into Cornell.
My point is that not only is Darl is a discrace to the linux community but also to the church. LDS Church members who aren't "honest in all their dealings with their fellow man" are supposed to be forbidden from entering temples. Therefore, this guy should get excommunicated ASAP if he hasn't already because he's tainting the church's image!
Darl makes the claim that MyDoom was done by some linux guys. If I've read the write ups on MyDoom, it seems to have been done by someone who wants zombie boxes to be able to send spam though. The attacks on SCO, RIAA, Microsoft, etc are side effect, the smoke and mirrors to redirect your attention away from the true intent of the virus/worm.
He also made the claim that if you worked at a BioTech company used Linux to create a new formula for a drug, you have to GPL the drug. The heck?
Negative reporting can kill. Lets see some equal play with Linus. He is, after all, non-american.
[apologies to Stan Lee]
-------- In Soviet Russia, "Soviet Russia" sigs hate Slashdot.
so now they can sue SCO and get their money back!
Unfortunately, I'm not so sure if a single mention to the press will really give them anything.. SCO is quick on going to court, but I think we'll see that this is definitely something which will be held against them.
The general procedure is to first try and resolve the conflict without the court. Like writing some polite letters asking SCO to stop talking about the stuff, and to retract their earlier statements. Now if SCO doesn't comply with this, ask again.
Still no compliance? That's when you go to court.
No, don't kill Darl. Laugh at him. And laugh at the legal firms he's paying with (in my opinion) soon to be worthless SCO stock! And laugh at the foolish investors who bet money on his success.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Let's give them a nice slashdot welcome!
The chick on the homepage is kind of cute. I wonder if she knows she's being exploited by SCO to make their image more "down home, cutie". Lol, those dirty bastards.
Fuck off!
OR mod him troll. But interesting!?? Are moderators on crack today?
I could not have said it better.
You sir, kick ass.
Yes, but my question is, will Darl prefer peanut butter or jelly? Personally, I think he's a grape jelly kind of guy.
It's good that SEC is investigating them, although it is not clear whether they will find anything. This is really as much or more FTC's arena. Specifically, it would be beneficial if a large number of people filled out FTC's complaint form to maybe get some action about false advertising, slander, unfair competition, and so on. It is comparatively easy to show that SCO has directly lied on a large number of occasions. There is probably enough for SCO to convict it of false advertising on the Linux license front.
I think SCO has probably "given" him a guard to protect him from himself. Without one, he keeps shooting himself (and SCO) himself in the foot ;).
Alternative 1
....
[A public place.]
SEC agent: Mr. McBride, you're under arrest for fraud. Please come with us.
SWAT sniper: Subject 1 has a gun under left arm. Advice caution.
SEC agent: Please hand over your firearms.
Darl: This firearm? [Whips out gun, pointing it at SEC agent. Darl's body guard does the same.]
[Cue: Hans Zimmer music.]
They stand pointing each other's guns at each other, shouting.
SEC agent, police officers and Darl shouting at each other: Put your guns down! No, you put yours down.
ESR and RMS are hiding under a table, witnessing it all. They have to save the day etc.etc.
Alternative 2
SEC and FBI agents approach SCO headquarters.
In A.D. 2004
Search was beginning.
Darl: What happen ?
Security guard: Somebody set up us the search warrant.
Secretary: We get signal.
Darl: What !
Secretary: Main screen turn on.
Darl: It's You !!
SEC: How are you gentlemen !!
SEC: All your evidence are belong to us.
SEC: You are on the way to prosecution.
Darl: What you say !!
SEC: You have no right to resist make your time.
SEC: HA HA HA HA
Captain: Take off every 'gun' !!
Captain: You know what you doing.
Captain: Move 'gun'.
Captain: For great evasion of justice.
Replay Waco situation with search [David Koresh] replace [Darl McBride].
Only this time, after SCO set fire to their complex, they are rescued by Microsoft helicopters.
Army general: The fire was a diversion! Cancel the fire rescue! Call the air force! Bring some artillery etc.
Actually, this would make a kick-ass anime.
Irene KHAAAAAAN!
The question is whether IBM can get a fair trial in Utah. I used to live in Utah, and there was very strong anti-Mormon discrimination. I wouldn't want to be an out-of-state non-Mormon facing a Mormon graduate from BYU in a Utah court, no matter how strong my case. We'll see what happens. IBM has a winning case, but it may lose because of this alone. If I were IBM, I'd push for federal court.
In terms of tainting the church's image, go to www.exmormon.org at some point, and read up some of the things the church is allegedly doing or has done. This is worth a thousand SCOs, even if the church were single-handedly responsible for SCO. I've never seen the Mormon church address any of these allegations, so I am inclined to believe at least a significant number are true (probably virtually all are. But even if none were, sites like this, unaddressed, lower LDS' reputation far more than an arbitrary number of SCOs. If you point them out to Mormon missionaries, they will not respond -- apparently something about some prohibition on reading non-Mormon texts and articles while on mission.
"Roh-oh!!" - Darl
"Zoinks!" - Bill
= 9J =
Wasn't there a gang that sent a body part such as a hand or penis to a newspaper owner who was going to write against them to scare the person. Maybe somebody should volenteer parts of there body to be sent to SCO's Darl McBride. I am sure that he would soon afterwards stop the lawsuit. I'm not quite sure if its legal though to send biological tissue through the mail. Maybe fedex?
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I thought that the world had already realized that wasn't Linux supporter but more than likely spammers?
Guess since it's a local paper, they're fawning over Darl.
This guy is way out there
Serverbeach is not in bed with SCO..
...
if they do, I will drop them flat.
There are a lot of alternativs to EV1 (rackshack).
They shit the bed and now that people are showing they don't much like that, they are trying to backpeddle.. It amounts of trying to doing spin-control because they did a move that is highly against what this entire community is involved in...
I, for one, will not do business with them again.
anime+manga together at last.. in real time.
they are a major spam haus
Lawyers, MBA's, RIAA? A jedi fears not these things!
its funny how one of the job positions here is for linux...
http://www.sco.com/company/jobs/
"He compares his fight with Linux supporters to the time when his family caught thieves stealing cattle from their ranch in Utah."
From Darls current actions I suspect that what actually happened was that Darls family figured out they couldnt live on the one poor mishandled cow they had, so they sued the neighbours, claiming the neighbours cattle were actually theirs (because their cow had one dark night given birth to several thousand fully grown cattle who had then snuck into the neighbours ranch), and then went on to threatening with suing anyone eating beef unless they paid Darls family.
At least, then it would be a more comparable story.
I pity the fools.
I've got the answer!
He's "milking the Gentiles." A commendable act for sure. After all, as long as you only lie and cheat to non-believers, you are doing God's work.
As a Christian I am sickened.
This guy doesn't get it. You don't hope for anything; you sue them when they breach the contract. If you're smart, you get damages (and yes, EV1 is being damaged by SCO's breach) and maybe even your money back.
I keep seeing this "I wish they wouldn't do that" quote from him. If you wish they wouldn't do it, you get a lawyer and sue.
Do you have ESP?
You can't play games on Linux.
The newsforge story about the SEC finally beginning to investigate both Microsoft and SCO is, if I see this correctly, going to be one of the biggest shakeouts in recent corporate history.
/. for years) such as Gartner induces me to think it was probably Microsoft who first approached McBride.
I was one of the people who, last year while no one was taking Microsoft involvement seriously, posted that there was a good chance Microsoft was involved based purely on the case of what the motivation was behind the whole SCO lawsuit. Now that SCO's case has been shown to be a mostly hot air campaign of lies and public FUD, considering that SCO has yet to openly show a single case of obvious infringement in court, I think it might have well gone off along the following lines:
SCO was losing both money and marketshare rapidly up until last year, having failed to persuade IBM to continue on project monterey after Caldera bought the rights from the original SCO, and thereby having no modern product and only an installed base of legacy customers whp were looking for other sources in any case. I think that while the original idea might have come from McBride himself to make a legal case for Linux chaos, I would think that probably, one of the first things he would have done is to approach Microsoft, or else he was approached by Microsoft very early as part of Microsoft's FUD campaign aginst Linux.
The benefits for Microsoft are obvious, as it would bring in, at the very least, doubt into the minds of PHB's who were considering Linux adoption. The fact that the SEC might be investigating Microsoft for funding analysts (something which has been obvious to just about everyone here on
I would think that Microsoft offered SCO and McBride a very Faustian kind of deal: Carry the legal and above all PR campaign against Linux and especially IBM (who has given an enormous amount of credibility to Linux) and Microsoft would save SCO's and McBride's collective asses. The amount of money involved is small change for Microsoft.
The fact that McBride is as stupid as the original Faust character, is easy to spot when one looks at other companies who have trusted or sold their souls to the Microsoft machine. Where are they today?
The reason that I think it might turn into a huge wopper of a case is because, when the threads unravel and Microsoft's tactics are displayed in court, they will not only have been guilty of breaking the antitrust agreements, but also numerous felonies involving the charges mentioned at newsforge. On top of that I can see this one going all the way to the top at Microsoft because I can not see any such huge campaign not being known and sanctioned by Bill and Steve personally.
And when I look at the current legal mood involving Worldcom's Ebbers and Martha Stewart and the punishment handed out, I don't think that there will be the same mercy applied as there was during the anti-trust trials.
I for one deeply hope that Darl is not paranoid.
It is terrible to think that he could suffer from this as well as being delusional and suffering from kleptomania .
McBride said he sometimes carries a gun, declining to specify the type
I bet it's a squirt gun. The gun would be just like him: small, nigh useless, and all wet.
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
I wanted to go, but they said they said people who use Vi instead of Emacs are not welcome. :(
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But I don't care. I expect the people I support through my business to act ethically and support my interests when they don't conflict with theirs. SCO is playing lawsuit roulette, betting on 000. Despicable. And insupportable irrespective of financial calcs.
SEC, not FTC. (and the DOJ appears to be quiet too).
Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
It's a shotgun.
Both barrels, both feet, every time.
the growth in cynicism and rebellion has not been without cause
http://www.thescogroup.com/images/company/SCO_Code _of_Conduct_and_Ethics_Policy-Final.pdf
without a license! Most states, you must apply for a permit to carry. Next time he shows up out of his home state, notify the local police that your believe he's carrying a conceled weapon.
Shouldn't it be high time that we formalized some new terminology? I propose that the term "SCOism" be coined to mean the deliberate misuse of facts and half-truths to propagate FUD. Here are my favorite SCO SCOisms:
1) We own the rights to Unix and its derivatives and since IBM worked on both Unix and Linux, Linux is a derivative and royalty is owned us.
2) Pamela Jones lives close to the IBM headquarters and ibiblio.org (the organization which hosts her site) have IBM computer. That means she's an IBM lackey.
3) CA has settled a dispute by licensing a totally different product but which gives them the right to use Linux legally. Therefore, they have licensed Linux from us!
4) The text of the S2 memo has been misinterpreted by Eric Raymond. Thought Microsoft and Baystar are mentioned there, it has nothing to do with the letter.
Yes, you too can enjoy this one. If you're running Windows you can accomplish this just by shrinking the icons in your task bar to the right size, other people may need to SHRINK their browser window until only the first 11 letters of this article thread are visible. And then what do you get?
SCO - EV1, L
Yay, that was fun!
Didn't Michael Corleone say something like, "If anything in this life is certain, if history has taught us anything, it is that you can kill anyone."
I'm reading through your comment and wondering which party Darl sees himself as?
I mean, couldn't he perceive himself as the humiliated victim (ie the kid sick of being unpopular) in this situation and must retalitate? He has started carrying a gun now...
Hopefully, the purpose of the pump 'n dump isn't to get enough funds for an A-Bomb.
myke
Mimetics Inc. Twitter
NewsForge and others are beginning to follow the money right now. We'll let you know what we find as we connect the dots.
Isn't it a *little* bit too late?
(OTOH, better late than never...)
"McBride said he sometimes carries a gun, declining to specify the type, and travels with armed guards. The gun is licensed, he said." Sucks to be him, I just copyrighted bullets.. so I can sue him when he shoots me full of them.
1) Your analysis is based on bad assumptions so your result is way off. 2) You're a sick bastard for fucking a horse.
But could we maim him a little?
A GPL-ed software cannot be sub-licensed, by purchasing SCO's license, EV1 lose all the rights to parts of the software that SCO don't have right on ( perhaps the whole software as SCO's claim could be find baseless).
Bye bye EV1, you probably don't want to face lawsuit from GPL software developers, right?
Darl McBride obviously suffers from a narcissistic personality disorder. He *wishes* he were important enough to get death threats!
Security officials have told him that convicted felons are behind the death threats, McBride said. So, if he knows the identities of the people threatening him, why doesn't he a) get a restraining order against these people or b) have them arrested. Or could it be this unsubstantiated claim is yet another part of their FUD campaign? How could you know that they are convicted felons without knowing who they are?
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
His firm, Boies Schiller & Flexner LP, and other law firms associated with the case have received $1 million in cash and 400,000 SCO shares. So, the lawyers don't have any vested interest in artificially inflating the value of SCO stock, do they? When are they allowed to sell these shares?
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
Back in the silly days of 1999, I went to Linuxworld in San Jose. Most of the booths were neat, cool, etc... except the Caldera booth. They scared me.
Every once in a while, they would hand out free t-shirts (or something like that, I didn't get too close). However, they would hand out the free swag to the person in their crowd who yelled the loudest: "Caldera for BUSINESS!" Needless to say, every 15 minutes or so, every geek in the place would wince.
Makes me laugh now to see them still making the geeks wince.
Nice on LOL :)))
"The US has 11,000 gun murders a year, us Brits have 68."
What you should really be concerned with is how many murders there are a year (by gun or otherwise). Or even better, the percentage of the population murdered annually. I'm willing to bet that you have a similar murder rate (statistically). Gun murders is a useless comparison, since your government has long ago disarmed you...
what IS going on with the USA these days:
What, did you skip your high school history classes? Or did you mean by "these days" the last 50 years or so?
But really, don't try to convince anyone that a CEO would be in his right mind to make a decision with as much potential downside, and no discernible upside, using reasoning so vacuous.
-- What do you need?
-- Gnus. Lots of Gnus.
The LDS (Mormon) church is across-the-board dissimilar from Scientology. Please don't drag religion into this, you do yourself a gross disservice.
He compares his fight with Linux supporters to the time when his family caught thieves stealing cattle from their ranch in Utah.
I can see it now, Darl and his 'Paw, rifles trained on a few guys in labcoats, shaking test tubes.
'Paw:Whatcha doin' wit them thar cattle, boys?
Darl:Kin ah shoot 'em, Paw?
Geneticist:Sir, you don't understand, we're not actually stealing your cattle, we're simply miasppropriating your trade secrets by selecting favorable genetic traits, and replicating them in our own livestock. Perfectly innocent, you see.
'Paw:G'hed 'n' shoot 'em, son.
This comment is fully compliant with RFC 527.
How else do you expect the multiple foot-shootings per day to happen? You have to be packing to fill your foot with lead at the rate Darl and SCO are going.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Read about Michael Moore using strawmen for defence.
He has an agenda. And he's throwing sand in our eyes.
Sure, the US have a gun lobby. Some of those who talk back are gun advocates and right wingers. But not all those who speak out against Michael Moore are "gun nuts". I don't own a gun, and neither does Richard Bushnell, the operator of that site.
You don't even have to be "conservative" to see that Michael Moore plays fast and loose with the truth.
Let's take the bank scene as an example. He represents his critics as saying that he used actors and a stage to "stage" the scene. No critics said that. They said the gun buy was pre-arranged, the bank employees not doing what they usually would have, i.e. staged, and cut to look different than what it was.
I was happy to see Wesley Clark drop out. Him as president with Michael Moore as information minister? Scary as Hell.
Irene KHAAAAAAN!
That link seems to not work, but that got me started playing with the search engine on their site: Search for Ethics at SCO
Gun Facts, version 3.2
The chart on that page (49 of 78) shows the "Contact Crime Victimization Rates" for 1999, giving "% vitimized."
Austrilia (sic): 4.1%
England and Wales: 3.6%
Scotland: 3.4%
Canada: 3.4%
Finland: 3.2%
Poland: 2.8%
Northern Ireland: 2.4%
Denmark: 2.3%
France: 2.2%
Sweden: 2.2%
Switzerland: 2.1%
Netherlands: 2.0%
USA: 1.9%
Belgium: 1.8%
Spain: 1.5%
Portugal: 1.4%
Japan: 0.4%
FURTHER: On page 50 of 78, they graph the sharply rising violent crime & robebry rates, and the declining gun ownership rate. There is certainly a strong positive correlation, implying there might be causation.
YET FURTHER: They point out with footnotes crediting Gallant , Hills, Kopel, "Fear in Britain", Independence Institute, July 18, 2000, and Daily Telegraph, 1996. (Same link as above.)
There's more. Follow the link.
Oh, and why were the first shots fired in the American Revolution? Because the Brits wanted to take away our guns! Battle of Lexington & Concord Abstract, That Memory May Their Deed Redeem, The Continental Congress; Lexington, Lexinton & Concord, etc.
Oh, and the first battle of Texas's independence? TAKE a GUESS what that was about!
READ the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the other amendments! http://lcweb2.loc.gov/const/const.html
SCO should give them out like candy to their enemies. Send Linus one free of charge, refuse to take it back.
SCO hereby licenses you to use Linux...
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
It is no longer uncommon to be uncommon.
Here is a weird one SCOX and LNUX
Any explanation for this similarity?
Those Mormons as you call them are very open. You can find everything for free. They also submitted everything to the library of congress years ago. Even the things that go on inside the temples. Of course you can't just walk in, just like I don't want you walking in while my wife is having a baby. Nothing secret, just sacred.
And they have never had a history of being racists(someone elses reply to you).
The polygamy crap you see on the news now days, are not the same church.
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive
If he were really into the Tin Foil Hat Club, he'd be calling the local police, FBI, NSA, Secret Service and so forth.
Puh-LEEEEEZZZZ!
Anyone can carry a gun and check into hotels under assumed names. Lots of people carry guns. Lots of people check into hotels under assumed names. Some of them do both.
Anyone can claim that they're doing it for self-defense (or to hide from people).
But until you're calling the cops and FBI and reporting the threats, you're just playing the fantasy.
I'm curious as to whether there's anyone out there that uses servercove, and what their experiences were. I started looking for good colo prices a while ago using Google and some brute force, and ran across 'em. Going by their webpage, they seem to be pretty Linux-friendly, and quite inexpensive($89/mo/700GB/8IP). I wondered if the inexpensive factor might be because of low reliability or something, though. I've yet to see people on Slashdot talking about them.
May we never see th
from the Mormon church.
EOM
Fuck Darl. Sell me the happy pill. I want to be happy.
Avoid Missing Ball for High Score
(sarcasm on)
Yep, the LDS Church is so greedy or desparate for money that they will "own" people, companies and judges, (including IBM, no less!) and use them to gain money.
(sarcasm off)
I can think of lots of easier ways for the LDS Church to get money than to use this SCO hair-brained, weak, non-sensical scheme. It's resources are much larger SCO ever dreamed of becoming!
(sarcasm on)
And there really is a face on mars...
And that goofy "religion" out of France really did clone a human...
And the moon landing is all a hollywood hoax...
And the world is flat...
(sarcasm off)
I think your tin foil hat is coming off!
If you think the SCO case is an important case for the SEC to investigate, you should contact the SEC, telling them to investigate SCO and why you think the SEC should be involved. You should reference specific points from Halloween X and/or Groklaw if you're going to make your point. Most government organizations prioritize in part by whatever wheel squeeks the loudest.
- David A. Wheeler (see my Secure Programming HOWTO)
after the first mistake, he doesn't have to worry about shooting himself in the feet. Lower legs perhaps, but not feet...
either just moved in or doesn't do $#it!!! Well except sign legal papers.
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in reference to Darl Mcbride's office, pictured in the desertnews.com article: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595047068,0
In fact if he carries the weapon into Church on Sundays, we can get him in trouble with not only civil authorities, but church leaders as well!
/.). I fervently believe that this man has no business being in the LDS church and that a disciplinary council should be brought up because of this mans un-ethical conduct.
I for one wish that the LDS church would excommunicate this man for his blatant ethics violation, Hell, he lies every time he goes in for a Temple Recommend interview, how can he passably answer Yes to the question, "Are you honest in all your dealings with you fellow men?"
Seriously, what is his home address? I would like to know so I can get in contact with his Bishop and Stake President and start a disciplinary council against him. and no, I would not use it to harass him, or threaten him or his family. (unlike some here on
(Yes, I am an Active, church going Mormon)
...to gather all the evidence we can and then present it to Darl's Stake President so that we can start a disciplinary council on the man.
/. and comparing that to the LDS Church Handbook of Instructions, it will be a no brainier for his stake presidency to excommunicate him.
:-)
Hell, with all the stuff I have read on
Though I wonder if he is on the high council? If so we might be able to pull some strings to get the First Presidency to rule over a disciplinary council.
Ahhh, that would be the day to see Darl McBride excommunicated!
Yes, my post was a troll. And a news article that takes a CEO and tries to make him out as some paranoid bad guy with a gun isn't... Californication is the way of the media!
5 reasons to choose unix instead of linux:
- SCO UNIX(R) is a Proven, Stable and Reliable Platform
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SCO UNIX(R) is backed by a single, experienced vendor
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SCO UNIX(R) has a Committed, Well-Defined Roadmap
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SCO UNIX(R) is Secure
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SCO UNIX(R) is Legally Unencumbered
well apart from 2 & 3, i'm not sure theres any advantage, and as for 5.....on his way to jail: A box of condums - extra large, a big tube of KY, and a big tube of hydrocortisone cream 1% and some ibuprofin tablets for the morning after.
here is the link
http://www.caldera.com/company/execs/dmcbride.html
he does look rather sleazy.
Good, maybe you can block some of the spam from going to my servers!
By the taping of my glasses, something geeky this way passes
Daryl's behavior is increasingly similar to Paranoid Schizophenic behaviors I've seen while working in a mental health unit.
delusions of persecuiton, carring a weapon armed body guards;
delutions of granduer, just thinking he can get away with sueing IBM counts a delutions of grandeur; not to mention his loose grip on reality and anti-scocial behavior like insulting the entire OS devoloper community; I think if I was on the board of directors, a competant psyc eval of Daryl would be neccessary for my peace of mind.
Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
Yep, a 40-watt plasma rifle. Make no mistake, MS has sent him from the future to terminate Linux...
When you think about it, if a geek's really got a murderous intent towards Daryl, wouldn't it be more likely that he/she'd build a linux-powered do-it-yourself cruise missle carrying a payload of exploding cellphone batteries to take him out instead?
(Gotta love the pic of Daryl in his office, I can just imagine the caption... "So Daryl, just how far did you pull this lawsuit out of your ass?")
As silly as we insist it is, the threat of SCO lawsuits over purloined code has got to be scaring away at least some skittish would-be Linux adoptees, and as such demonstrates the first and perhaps only effective strategy to battle open source.
SCO probably won't prevail, not only because their case is weak, but they simply don't have the pockets deep enough to keep the battle going.
But this can't have been lost on Microsoft. Microsoft has *very* deep pockets, and a legal team feared by the entire industry. And, their WinNT code was just "leaked". Wait a year or so, and then watch as Microsoft begins making noises about some of their code appearing in Linux distros. Like SCO, they don't have to prove it -- just allege that it is there.
How long could any Linux distro group stand up to a sustained multi-year full frontal assault by Microsoft's legal team? Perhaps more importantly, what corporation would want to? And finally, if Microsoft truly sees Linux as its only threat, and is fighting for its life, why wouldn't Microsoft use SCO's strategy?
EV1 made a big mistake, and now they'll have to live with it. I think they knew exactly what they were doing : they rolled over so SCO would sue their competitors instead. Dirty, dirty, dirty.
Personally, I won't do business with EV1, and I won't do business with any company that is hosted by EV1.
This is the correct link: litigious bastards
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2003/01/12/loc_oh iodate0112.html
*bites insightful moderated flaimbait*
/. name ....."
/. name and use it in a way that criticizes you.
Who moderated this as insightful?
Yes - we should fear the AC - we should fear those who post anonymously. Oh please, not everyone agrees with absolutely every single comment on this site.
"If you are afraid to state at least your
Here I'll state something with my
The Deseret News article says that "An armed body guard protected him at Harvard Law School when he gave a speech last month."
Hmmm....Hah-vahd just HAS to have a policy regarding firearms in campus buildings.
Utah is a "shall issue" state; scroll to
SB
It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
In other words, "This is extortion, and we're gonna take it!"
Would that be the "you owe us money, but we won't tell you what it is you're buying" bucket? At least SCO has the decency to tell us how much.
It is a huge disappointment to us that, after signing a secret blood contract with Satan, our friends shunned us, we grew horns and a tail (er...maybe not), and we ended up in Hell for all eternity. What gives?
Maybe Microsoft funded this SCO fud so that they would no longer be the most despised company today. SCO now takes the brunt of the public's anger and leaves MS in the background raking in the dough.
litigious bastards
SCO has been on a slow plunge since Dec-Jan currently they're around 11 bucks a share from their 20 dollar high, with this announcement. I found particularly funny this graph.
I am not a stock speculator, but I do recognize that even with the "percieved" artificial inflation some are suggesting (aka market/stock manipulation) the price is still falling. IMO even the stockholders aren't believing this crock anymore.
EV1 says "we didn't pay seven figures!" and SCO says "it was worth seven figures!".
When I was a kid, we only had one Darth.
It could be a good idea to make a public black list of SCO license buyers!
Yahh, hiii haaaaa! -Major Kong, from Dr. Strangelove
One thing to keep in mind though; the government gets interested in and begins pursuing investigations a long time prior to telling you or me that they are doing so. It's not in the interest of justice, in most cases, and can be counter-productive, for investigators to be too talkative about their work in progress.
In recent months there've been postings in various places to the effect that various regulatory bodies and the Justice Department are turning a blind eye to criminal behaviour on the part of sco and ms, because people have submitted complaints, but nothing has resulted. Regulators can't catch a whiff of something wrong on Monday and haul the perps off to the pokey and throw away the key on Tuesday. Proper investigations take a great deal of time and effort. It could very well be that investigations have been underway since last summer. We should expect to hear of the fruits of any such investigations many months from now.
The CEO of EV1 wants to sound contrite and surprised, and claims that the company "underestimated" the consequences of their actions. Isn't the entire job criterion of a corporate executive to make sound decisions and not to make this sort of mistake? I hope he has underestimated in his re-evaluation... and that the decision actually takes them down to bankruptcy , or even sends him personally to prison along with the SCO execs. Does this guy actually believe he's seen the whole of the consequences of signing up with SCO?
Are we supposed to have some sort of sympathy? Why should we?
Would you be foolish enough to buy software from this man? ;-)
From: Chief Darl McBride lunatic@conspiracy-theory-sco.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: tHE pENGUINS HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING ME FOR 2.5 years
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:33:47 -0000
Organization: http://www.sco.com
Reply-To: nutballs@-sco.com
Summary: Linux is a communist conspiracy.
User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (SCO)
This is not a joke and i am very serious. The penguins has been harassing and mentally torturing me for two and half years since around Oct 01. The penguins has installed gps tracking devices in my car, tracked me like an fish , wire tapped my phone and has been monitoring all my web surfing activities for 2.5yrs and completely dehumanized me.
The penguins have been following me 24X7X60X60 everywhere including grocery stores, retail stores, malls, restaurants and movie theaters. The penguins who were following me have at times verbally and racially abused me in retail store and grocery store parking lots by shouting at me inanities.
One penguin once tried to ram into my car from behind with a IBM van and came within one inch of hitting me from behind. There was no traffic altercation between us and there was no traffic on the road. The penguin in the IBM van never tried to overtake me and was very angry at me and hated me for no reason.
Some of the undercover penguin vehicles with Michigan title plates that harassed me were SCO SUX (White SUV), SCODOOM (red car), LINUXRULZ (black car), PENGUIN (black car). One penguin monitoring my websurfing called me a dumbass. His email is stalker@linux.com and his EBAY id is "scosux".
When I send LEGAL NOTICES to LINUX USERS, the sadistic penguins who were monitoring my email and websurfing, have been badmouthing and assasinating my character with lawyers by sending anonymous emails and jeopardizing my extortion opportunities for the last 2.5 yrs.
The penguins has been interfering in my personal life for no reason. and forced me to live like a virtual prisoner. I cannot talk to friends, family members and prospective suckers without the fear of being over heard and recorded. I am afraid of doing everything and anything without fear.
I am not a terrorist. I am NOT A MUSLIM. I donot have any muslim friends. I am not a drug smuggler. I did not kill anybody. I did not threaten to kill anybody. I dont have a record like gottis or escobars. I do not have any prior criminal record. Why should I suffer all this harassment and constant loss of privacy for such an extended period of time.
I am not familiar with US legal system that much. Can somebody tell me why the sadistic penguins has such ridiculous amount of power to harass and mentally torture me with wire and web taps, deny me any sort of privacy, and track me like an fish with gps devices for so long.
WHy do the penguins has the right to think they are Gods and they are always right. WHy should my life depend on what the penguins thinks of me.
This has become a game for the penguins and they are AMUSING themselves by ruining and wrecking my life.
"It is *PLAIN COMMON SENSE* any human being in this situation will obviously look for privacy and when I do, the sadistic penguins perceives it as if I am doing something wrong". WHY IS THE penguin SO IMMATURE TO NOT KNOW SUCH A SIMPLE THING.
Do somebody have to be a rocket scientist to know this? Why should I suffer if the immature penguin mistakenly thinks I am communicating with somebody.
Wake up citizen of the great empire ! We have a new champion ! Someone who can fight for our RIGHTS and lead us to a bright future.
A brand genuine american guy who have the guts to take the RIGHT actions. He will promote our "big-fat-hardcore-capitalist" valor and crush the "evil-freak-socialist-fag" of the open source movement!
McBride for presidence!
"Insanity in individuals is something rare, but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule." - Nietzsche
Bear in mind that we're actually talking about two different 'entities' in this thread - Mormons as individuals, and The Mormon Church as an organization.
I actually live in the middle of a heavily Mormon area. I can honestly say that, although I think their theology is, well, downright bizarre (God lives on the planet Jolob where his unnamed wife (wives?) churns out spirit babies, if you're a good person you can become a god too, people might live on the sun, etc....*) (Not that this sounds any stranger to my not-particularly-religious attitudes than any of the more 'mainstream' religions), pretty much every individual Mormon I've ever met has come across as being genuinely honest and well-meaning. You know how Mormons are portrayed as almost improbably 'squeaky clean' in South Park cartoons? (And in Trey Parker's highly underrated 'Orgazmo')? Well...they're really a lot like that. (I suspect most of them would find the portrayal somewhat complementary, if they didn't avoid watching shows like that...).
On the other hand, as a large, close-knit, somewhat secretive organization, I have to admit that I often wonder about The Church itself, and the abuses that connections within the organization might be subject to. Darl's obvious self-serving, selfish, greedy, and dishonest activity continuing without at least some sort of censure only makes me more suspicious. (Interesting that one of the 2 companies that actually paid SCO protection money is also in Salt Lake City. I can't help but wonder if that deal only got set up due to church connections.)
Those of you reading who ARE Mormons, what do you think of this? And what do OTHER members of your ward (local Mormon church group) think? Do they believe Darl couldn't possibly be acting dishonestly because he's Mormon? Are they as bothered by all of this as most of us are? Are they avoiding the issue?....
* - these are obviously gross oversimplifications. Google around and I'm sure you can find better explanations...
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I find it so easy to picture some wife beating, bank robbing, murderer being so pissed that DMcB is violating the GPL and trying to claim all his NUMA coding and SMP work.
Papers will print these things...
"better ways of doing things eventually just replace the inferior things" - Linus Torvalds 09-08-07
The point is not if SCO has a chance in hell to win this.
The point is if the legal expenses generated by a lawsuite are higher than the few millions he paid for the licenses.
Even if^H^H^H as SCO has no chance of winning it, the costs for winning the lawsuite might be higher than to pay SCO it's extortion money.
You dont pay extortion money because the other party is right, you pay extortion money because the damage they can do to you is greater than what they demand. If the damage is done by trashing your store or by the costs of a lawsuite is irrelevant.
On the other hand, it's the right decision to boycott EV1 now. We must send a clear message, that paying SCO's extortion money will cost you more than just the pricetag. This will make some CEO's, that are considering buying the licence, think again.
EV1, however, should just sue SCO for breach of contract, slander and extortion (or whatever the legal term for "treatening someone with a baseless lawsuite" is).
I have discovered a truly remarkable proof for my post which this sig is too small to contain.
Take note, they are killing innovation and ruining the computing world.
Drugs are under-rated. I used to smoke weed man. Like is was nothing. I got high. I loved it. I got drunk too. THen i joined the .mil; they drug test and blood test ya. SO i had to quit, MEPS sucks!
In this corner, SCO executive and self-proclaimed owner of all things that have ever been touched by or influenced by UNIX...Darl McBride!
In this corner, renowned Open Source zealot and gun nut Eric Raymond!
May the best man win!
Editor Emeritus and Senior Writer, TeleRead.org
EV1 signed a contract with Microsoft, to help SCO kill Linux? Does EV1 participate in illegal money transfer from Microsoft to SCO? At least one thing is sure - Microsoft loves EV1, you cen see it yourself here:. asp?CaseStudyID=14464
www.microsoft.com/resources/casestudies/CaseStudy
"Through EV1, Microsoft is pushing its alternative choice - the Web Edition kit"
Owns IBM? What crack are you smoking? IBM is one of the companies they're trying to milk. As far as judges, 50% of the population of SLC is Mormon, and far more outside. SCO, I think, is close to Provo, so is in one of the more heavily Mormon areas, and also, most judges in Utah are Mormon, just by virtue of the selection process being dominated by mormons, so the judge is much, much more likey Mormon than 50%. We know McBride is Mormon. So in all likelyhood, the only parties that they need to control, they alredy do.
In terms of how greedy the LDS church is, well, we can leave that to outsiders to decide. They require all members to give 10 percent of their income to the church. Their finances (not to mention large numbers of their rituals) are highly secretive. If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck....
I thought OJ was the 'Lyin King'
Isn't there a rumor that the book was really written by the gov't and filled with unstable recipes so that the anarchist wannabes would blow themselves up?
Darl has got a gun
Darl has got a gun
Deposition's just begun
Now Linux is on the run
Tell me now it's untrue
What did IBM do
Well they stole some Unix IP
Novell has got to be insane!
They say the spell Linus was under
when he tried to diss Caldera
BUT NOBODY'S GONNA STOP DARL'S CLAAAAAAIM
(run away, run away from the claim)
The proper quote is:
I always thought it was because he compares himself to James Bond - in serious presentations to clients no less. This guy is just a legend in his own mind.
If they were, he'd be a corpse already. Enough money to hire a professional assassin and end of story.
You just need a person that:
1. is mad enough at him to make the hire
2. is willing to risk a death penalty trial if something goes wrong.
I would expect to see some dead spammers long before someone goes after Mcbride.
The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. Shakespeare, Henry VI, Part 2, Act 4, Scene 2
Grunka, lunka, dunka-dee darmed-guards
You should not ask about the armed guards...
--The grunka-lunkas (Darl McBride?)
As for it coming out of a hat - that's a reference to the way the tablets were suppose to have been transcribed - since looking at them directly instead of looking into the hat would have realeased upspeakable horrors or something.
It's time for a Mormon to reply to this, and show how benificial the religeon is by naming a real Mormon charity that helps people.
In comparison I just can't help thinking of Scientologists as evil conmen, who were right there at the World Trade Centre in 2001 posing as rescue workers and looking for vunerable people to take advantage of.
Mr. Marsh:
In an apparent effort to reach out to the open source community, you were quoted at http://thewhir.com/marketwatch/ev1030504.cfm as saying, "...our intent was simply to take us out of the loop, not to make us public enemy number one."
By now you've probably realized that your company was used as a propaganda tool by SCO, and has therefore lost credibility in the open source community because of the belief that you caved in to extortion. SCO's intellectual property claims have no merit. EV1 Servers would never have needed to take any action at all. By the time IBM's legal team is finished with SCO, there will be nothing left to pursue Novel, AutoZone, DaimlerChrysler, EV1 Servers, or anyone else.
It's probably apparent now that what seemed like a cheap insurance policy (paying SCO for protection you didn't need) was actually a case of your company paying to generate a massive amount of unfavorable press. The results would have probably been slightly more positive if you had spent the money on television commercials showing EV1 personnel killing puppies. Ouch. This is probably not a company ending decision, but it's definitely a move in the wrong direction. Paying for an expedient end to a potential problem isn't always the right thing to do. Sometimes it's important to do what's right.
Imagine the positive image you could have generated for EV1 Servers without spending any money at all. EV1 Servers could have contacted Groklaw or any of the other online news sources clamoring for SCO information, showed them the scary letter that SCO sent, and explained to them that you told SCO in no uncertain terms that their claims were baseless, and you would rather spend money defending Linux in court than give them a penny. You missed the chance to be a hero. Maybe next time.
Bruce Layne
Lexington Kentucky
>> My ultraviolent Linux switch video.
AD: "The SCO Group | SCO Grows Your Business"
Reality: "SCO Sues your Business"
AD: "SCO Unix - Makes your Business Bloom"
Reality: "SCO Unix - Makes your Business go Boom." (..when we dont exist anymore because IBM recieved SCO as payment for the massive lawsuits from IBM)
Also, read the "5 reasons to choose SCO over linux" - what a load of shiite.
"Any report that we made a cash payment of seven figures is highly exaggerated, and it disappoints me that that quote is out there in the media," Marsh said. "The contract that we signed with SCO specifically prohibits any party from discussing the economics of the transaction.
Look buddy, SCO has been lying through their teeth from day one in this case.
So the fact that SCO can't even be trusted to honour their own contracts, should come as a surprise to no one.
You choose to go in bed with SCO's so please, just try to enjoy the ride.
echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln80~Psnlbx]16isb572CCB9AE9DB03273snlbxq' |dc
> He also made the claim that if you worked at a
> BioTech company used Linux to create a new formula
> for a drug, you have to GPL the drug. The heck?
I guess this is just a hint that Darl is going after bio-tech companies next. Most of these use Unix in one variant or another, and with Darl logic, their research products must be tainted by SCO IP as well.
Erm, this has got to be a joke? OK, maybe you've been spending a lot of "quality time" with yourself under your bridge and have only just noticed that something's going on outside. When you get a moment, click over to Groklaw and bone up on some facts, if you like.
You might want to study some of the more
Common logical errors yourself, if you're going to accuse me of using vacuous logic... you've attacked everything but the argument itself there.
groklaw is an interesting and informative site, but you can't have read groklaw much, or you'd have spotted the disclaimer. it's right on the frontpage, at the top, and after you do read it maybe you'll realise groklaw is not a recognised court and the opinions of a paralegal and the IANAL participants who post comments - much like Darl McBrides' opinion - doesn't count for squat. There's actually not a lot of pertinent facts there, beyond the relevant statutes and rulings so far. That is a side effect of the fact the case hasn't come even as far as the disclosure part yet! That will change in time, of course, but until the goalposts are fixed nobody can make an informed guess of the final score.
But really, don't try to convince anyone that a CEO would be in his right mind to make a decision with as much potential downside, and no discernible upside, using reasoning so vacuous.
Perhaps you're not aware of it, but huge, complex, lumbering courtcases don't always return the verdict the cognoscenti are rooting for. Sometimes hard facts gets in the way, or sometimes those same facts get deliberately obfuscated by one side to the point where it goes into endless appeals.
Don't get me wrong - I'm rooting for IBM and linux, but if SCO eventually WIN this case, then they'll probably spend the next ten years trying to sue every company that didn't pay up on time or cease and desist right into the ground.
Even in the event of a win for SCO, they might not have a case for those who don't pay at this stage, but i don't know, as IANAL, but EV1's lawyers must have seen some threat.
Yo're right. There is no potential upside. Only two vicious downsides - either risk being dragged through the courts by a company with "extortion" as a business model or dragged through the mud by know-nothing knowitalls. EV1s really big mistake was letting any of this become public knowledge. I find it unlikely that they are the only company to pay a license fee, but they seem to be the only ones being lambasted for it.
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And gratitude.
And good manners.
Unfortunately far too many people like you put money first no matter what, and decency afterwards, as a second, unrelated afterthought.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
In some EU countries it can be.
But it's probably perfectly legal to show some valid id and then ask the hotel to register you under a different name.
Donte Alistair Anderson Roberts - hi son!
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I very much doubt that it is legal to carry guns on the Harvard campus.