This problem isn't really kernel involved, the problem comes from the fact the write is not being issued in an effective manor. This more so leads to the fact that the system has not been fitted to use the 4k sectors. If you just put a little work into the install you can over come this problem.
By default yes you will likely see a big performance hit, but like any good system once it's tuned and fitted to it's job it will run great. People can post all the results they want from default installs and it means very little.
It's the same as if you bought a muscle car and never took the time to tune the engine, you can't try to make the claim that the car wasn't ready. you need to put the time in and get the car up and going.
The same thing is true of the install. You need to put the work in, tune it up and reap the benefits of a high performance install.
That is more a distro problem then, I run a full stable Gentoo system and I see less then a 5% over head difference. Not saying your wrong because you posted output here but it can have a lot to do on how you have optimized your disk access and setup the kernel to interface the disks. Even the file system in use.
But then again that's just what I see on my system. Possibly running a different configuration would yield different results.
I actually have 2 of the these drives in my desktop right now. There is a slight decrease in performance compared to Windows 7 but nothing that it unacceptable or even a need for concern. If you need to worry about the performance lost with the 4k sectors then just go solid state.
I work in Linux 99.2% approx of the time lol, if I need to drop into windows to print to my lexmark printer then do I really care about malware. Of course not, and there really is malware for Linux.
If your dumb enough to use Cuz instead of because or use lol instead of laughing then you aren't ready for University or at least not mature enough to know better.
If you had read one of my reply' I did clearly stat there are good desktop level programmers, just I've noticed alot of them are "Hey I have 10GB of memory lets see if we can use it all".
If your a good Java programmer then thats awesome and I don't mean to call you a bad programmer. I'm talking about the programmers who pick the wrong language for the wrong job and use memory like it's going out of style.
Bascily you'd know if I was talking about you in the post, there are those who are good programmers even in high level languages but more so alot of them are bad. I'm not centering you out saying your not a good programmer and the fact you can defend your self means you probley can hold your own.
Over all the point was don't try to turn PHP into a high server load language and try to rewrite te run time to go for speed, pick a language that has speed on it's side and go from there.
true, but on the other hand most of what I've seen is that the embedded developers can program the higher level languages with more care anyway. So throw a bunch of embedded developers at a sever level project and you'll probley end up with a faster solution.
In no way I'm I trying to imply there aren't great desktop level programs because I know a few that are top notch. On the other hand it is cheaper to hire the dime a dozen desktop guys and coops and just get it working and never speak of it again.
Don't starting talking about high performance and then naming languages that don't have the chance to deliver. What you really need to do is just program the entire web page in Assembler and then your going to have speed and performance that can't get any faster. If your developers are noobs and can't use real languages and there just Object Oriented kids who can't work on memory and need to access everything through abstracted methods, then fire them and get in some embedded developer who know speed = good code and good languages. If you don't want to use assembler then use good old C!
You want speed use languages that can deliver and don't try to rewrite slow scripting languages to do the job of the trusted old methods, assembler and C.
Fair enough. I was thinking more along the lines of blocking on the router it's self. I can admit that might be alittle much for a lot of users to really take apart the firmware and write long IP rules.
What protocol is used to search the system? sure the attacker can get in but once inside just how much access do they have.
Do they get returned an FTP / HTTP view of the computer folder by folder. Do you get kicked into a telnet terminal / ssh terminal maybe even a NFS terminal.
Correct me if I'm wrong (but I do have a CCNA cert) Why not block the access ports that get opened, unless it's port 80 and then filter the traffic.
Yes it's microsofts problem to roll out a patch and fix the bug but it seems like theres a lot that the user could do before the patch is ready.
I can see why they would tell a customer that the Windows Gen app was a security update. To a lot of users they just know that if they download a "high" priority update they will be protected.
Take my mom for instance, her entire computer knowledge equates to if I double click the blue E icon Google appears and then I can youtube. So then only way she would know that she should get an update like Windows Gen is if it was declared high priority and had the word security attached.
This lawsuit is fair but I agree that it should not be class action.
I'm not complaining I need to tweak the OS in fact, I like to tweak and tune the system. My point was that every time I've ever used FreeBSD and this is a complete personal opinion I just find it to be sluggish and slow.
Tweaking is a good time if it's done properly and effectively and it can produce a big performance boost. My only point is that I've never seen performance from FreeBSD, even my FreeBSD friends who know there system in and out still have a slower system.
If someone wants to correct me I'll stand to be corrected but just from a personal view point I've never seen FreeBSD produce performance.
So I'm not complaining I have to tweak, after all I run Gentoo lol it's tweak city and flags up the butt.
Why even swap the kernel out? The Linux kernel supports more hardware and has better stock performance then the FreeBSD kernel. In fact most friends I have that use FreeBSD are snotty to Linux users anyway. I say give them there OS and it's sorry performance (at least I've never seen anything comparable) and I'll stick with my stage 1 Gentoo which is fast, optimized and ready to go.
Sorry if this offends any FreeBSD user as that's not my point but I've installed it a ton of times to try it out and I'm still waiting for an install that lets me say "Woah" from the get go. Sure you can optimize after the fact but that's not the point, fast out of the box, faster after the tweak! that's what I want and FreeBSD has never given that to me .
If your a FreeBSD user great and if you a Linux user great, but lets not mix the two please!
If Microsoft builds a phone it will probably sell great and at the same time suck on both the hardware and software specs. People will buy what there told to with out understanding what there really buying.
It's the same reason "bing" is successful, it's a mediocre search engine at best and has no way to stand up to google. It's the same way with the microsoft windows OS, people buy it because there told they should, Another example of just a mediocre product being pushed.
On the other hand we have a company like Apple telling you to buy there stuff because it's easier to use and somehow that should make it better. In reality they have the worst customer service I've ever experienced and an OS that is so slightly better then Windows it's not even worth trying to separate them.
Now we look at google, and there not telling you to buy there stuff and yet people do, there not telling you to use there search engine because it's better and more proprietary yet people do. To top it off there not telling people to use there cloud based OS and people do, see a trend.
If a company like google who's products are known to be better and can manage to force company's who push there products down the publics throat to merge then it's not wonder what the real solution should be. Maybe lets focus on making a great product that allows people to do what they need to in constrast to making a product and trying to force someone to use it because it "easier to use" or I guess as apple would say it's "iEasier to use".
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This problem isn't really kernel involved, the problem comes from the fact the write is not being issued in an effective manor. This more so leads to the fact that the system has not been fitted to use the 4k sectors. If you just put a little work into the install you can over come this problem.
By default yes you will likely see a big performance hit, but like any good system once it's tuned and fitted to it's job it will run great. People can post all the results they want from default installs and it means very little.
It's the same as if you bought a muscle car and never took the time to tune the engine, you can't try to make the claim that the car wasn't ready. you need to put the time in and get the car up and going.
The same thing is true of the install. You need to put the work in, tune it up and reap the benefits of a high performance install.
That is more a distro problem then, I run a full stable Gentoo system and I see less then a 5% over head difference. Not saying your wrong because you posted output here but it can have a lot to do on how you have optimized your disk access and setup the kernel to interface the disks. Even the file system in use.
But then again that's just what I see on my system. Possibly running a different configuration would yield different results.
I actually have 2 of the these drives in my desktop right now. There is a slight decrease in performance compared to Windows 7 but nothing that it unacceptable or even a need for concern. If you need to worry about the performance lost with the 4k sectors then just go solid state.
I`m all for this, if you can quote someone`s words then you can quote what they write.
NOT malware for Linux, lol my bad, it's still early
I work in Linux 99.2% approx of the time lol, if I need to drop into windows to print to my lexmark printer then do I really care about malware. Of course not, and there really is malware for Linux.
What other OS requires you download a program to tell if the OS is genuine? The answer, only an insecure company who own a monopoly.
I actually get semi decent battery life in 7 and less in Linux. However that's why they made the adapter.
If your dumb enough to use Cuz instead of because or use lol instead of laughing then you aren't ready for University or at least not mature enough to know better.
If you had read one of my reply' I did clearly stat there are good desktop level programmers, just I've noticed alot of them are "Hey I have 10GB of memory lets see if we can use it all".
If your a good Java programmer then thats awesome and I don't mean to call you a bad programmer. I'm talking about the programmers who pick the wrong language for the wrong job and use memory like it's going out of style.
Bascily you'd know if I was talking about you in the post, there are those who are good programmers even in high level languages but more so alot of them are bad. I'm not centering you out saying your not a good programmer and the fact you can defend your self means you probley can hold your own.
Over all the point was don't try to turn PHP into a high server load language and try to rewrite te run time to go for speed, pick a language that has speed on it's side and go from there.
And yet Assembler would still out perform it under 100% of all cases.
true, but on the other hand most of what I've seen is that the embedded developers can program the higher level languages with more care anyway. So throw a bunch of embedded developers at a sever level project and you'll probley end up with a faster solution.
In no way I'm I trying to imply there aren't great desktop level programs because I know a few that are top notch. On the other hand it is cheaper to hire the dime a dozen desktop guys and coops and just get it working and never speak of it again.
Don't starting talking about high performance and then naming languages that don't have the chance to deliver. What you really need to do is just program the entire web page in Assembler and then your going to have speed and performance that can't get any faster. If your developers are noobs and can't use real languages and there just Object Oriented kids who can't work on memory and need to access everything through abstracted methods, then fire them and get in some embedded developer who know speed = good code and good languages. If you don't want to use assembler then use good old C!
You want speed use languages that can deliver and don't try to rewrite slow scripting languages to do the job of the trusted old methods, assembler and C.
who cares if someone on planet X hears what your mom made for dinner. Oh no they got her stuffed chicken recipe :-O
This sounds sweet!
Damn, My class mate and I had this kinda of an idea for a final year project, time to rethink.
Fair enough. I was thinking more along the lines of blocking on the router it's self. I can admit that might be alittle much for a lot of users to really take apart the firmware and write long IP rules.
What protocol is used to search the system? sure the attacker can get in but once inside just how much access do they have.
Do they get returned an FTP / HTTP view of the computer folder by folder. Do you get kicked into a telnet terminal / ssh terminal maybe even a NFS terminal.
Correct me if I'm wrong (but I do have a CCNA cert) Why not block the access ports that get opened, unless it's port 80 and then filter the traffic.
Yes it's microsofts problem to roll out a patch and fix the bug but it seems like theres a lot that the user could do before the patch is ready.
I can see why they would tell a customer that the Windows Gen app was a security update. To a lot of users they just know that if they download a "high" priority update they will be protected.
Take my mom for instance, her entire computer knowledge equates to if I double click the blue E icon Google appears and then I can youtube. So then only way she would know that she should get an update like Windows Gen is if it was declared high priority and had the word security attached.
This lawsuit is fair but I agree that it should not be class action.
The USSR fell and so will Microsoft. Although I doubt Bill will be preserved perfectly.
I'm not complaining I need to tweak the OS in fact, I like to tweak and tune the system. My point was that every time I've ever used FreeBSD and this is a complete personal opinion I just find it to be sluggish and slow.
Tweaking is a good time if it's done properly and effectively and it can produce a big performance boost. My only point is that I've never seen performance from FreeBSD, even my FreeBSD friends who know there system in and out still have a slower system.
If someone wants to correct me I'll stand to be corrected but just from a personal view point I've never seen FreeBSD produce performance.
So I'm not complaining I have to tweak, after all I run Gentoo lol it's tweak city and flags up the butt.
Wow it looks like Microsoft wants another Monopoly, I'm shocked!
Why even swap the kernel out? The Linux kernel supports more hardware and has better stock performance then the FreeBSD kernel. In fact most friends I have that use FreeBSD are snotty to Linux users anyway. I say give them there OS and it's sorry performance (at least I've never seen anything comparable) and I'll stick with my stage 1 Gentoo which is fast, optimized and ready to go.
Sorry if this offends any FreeBSD user as that's not my point but I've installed it a ton of times to try it out and I'm still waiting for an install that lets me say "Woah" from the get go. Sure you can optimize after the fact but that's not the point, fast out of the box, faster after the tweak! that's what I want and FreeBSD has never given that to me .
If your a FreeBSD user great and if you a Linux user great, but lets not mix the two please!
If I got a robot I'd force it to do my homework!
just kidding of course but it's a really cool idea and a good way to advance the field.
If Microsoft builds a phone it will probably sell great and at the same time suck on both the hardware and software specs. People will buy what there told to with out understanding what there really buying.
It's the same reason "bing" is successful, it's a mediocre search engine at best and has no way to stand up to google. It's the same way with the microsoft windows OS, people buy it because there told they should, Another example of just a mediocre product being pushed.
On the other hand we have a company like Apple telling you to buy there stuff because it's easier to use and somehow that should make it better. In reality they have the worst customer service I've ever experienced and an OS that is so slightly better then Windows it's not even worth trying to separate them.
Now we look at google, and there not telling you to buy there stuff and yet people do, there not telling you to use there search engine because it's better and more proprietary yet people do. To top it off there not telling people to use there cloud based OS and people do, see a trend.
If a company like google who's products are known to be better and can manage to force company's who push there products down the publics throat to merge then it's not wonder what the real solution should be. Maybe lets focus on making a great product that allows people to do what they need to in constrast to making a product and trying to force someone to use it because it "easier to use" or I guess as apple would say it's "iEasier to use".