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1. In general, anything you say, do, write, think or produce is protected under the Berne convention.
2. However, #1. doesn't apply to those who have given up those rights either by posting on a forum with a TOS that includes implicitly giving up rights to postings or pysically signing some sort of document giving up those rights.
The Berne convention allows you to collect reasonable damages and (I believe, but don't quote me) reasonable attorney's fees. Copyrighting your work entitles you to $5000 per violation (and I believe other remedies, but I don't recall right now).
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Arrggghhh. I hate this. "It can be turned off by the user". Yeah, it can, but there is a danger that if it becomes some defacto identification standard, your life won't be functional if you turn it off. IE: Can't buy anything, etc. Eventually it gets so hard to function in the world, you just say, 'to heck with it' and leave it on all of the time.
This scares me.
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You really don't hear much about materials failure on these missions since they're so structurally overdesigned. It's usually some sort of software glitch or a design failure. Given that, a major malfunction is going to affect both probes equally.
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Choose Linux and you could go with a support company like us or LinuXcare. We'll take care of the whole kit and caboodle.
AIX is a good os, though I have never personally liked it. As for stability, it's pretty solid. My main complaint (among others) is that I have to add a ton of stuff to make it useful (and I'm not talking about GUI stuff) like vim, bash etc. I also very much dislike the way command history is the same for all shell windows. I guess I'm just spoiled on Linux...
Also, for web stuff, there's no getting around 100 1u Linux servers behind an f5 load balancer. Save your big iron for your database (until someone figures out how to decently cluster a database).
-Chuck
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I guess this makes me feel better. I know that half (or more) of the code I write would be laughed at by better programmers. It doesn't stop me from coding though. Like my Dad always says, "No matter how good you are, there's ALWAYS someone better!". So big deal, Bruce made a mistake. It makes me feel good about the fact that I can only do the best I can do and I can't waste my time (too much) worrying about how good someone else's code is.
Thanks Bruce...
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There's probably some good in this, in that it sets a precedent that can be used to combat similar cases in the US. -- Quantum Linux Laboratories - Accelerating Business with Linux * Education * Integration * Support
It's already bad enough as it is. Everytime a new exploit comes out, I'm dropping EVERYTHING to install the patch. Inevitably, for the next few weeks, I'm on the phone with 2-3 sysadmins per day informing them that their site was broken into and used to crack other sites (including unsuccessful attempts on mine). What's it going to take to get these guys to start taking security seriously? If these people would get off their butts, script kiddies wouldn't have anything to crack. I remember talking to one admin who simply sighed and said, "again???".
Yeah, yeah yeah, I know, we're all busy. I'm just as busy as the rest of you. It's about where you prioritize your time. I'd gladly get a bit behind on my e-mail to test and install a patch rather than spend two weeks recovering a server (or a few days at the local FBI field office trying to explain why my server was used to send death threats to the president). -- Quantum Linux Laboratories - Accelerating Business with Linux * Education * Integration * Support
This LD50 number has me a bit upset. Who in their right mind could pump an animal full of caffeine and let it shake and drool until it fried it's brain? I guess it was necessary to do a few times to discover the threshold and validate the results. I hope this sort of thing doesn't happen too often... -- Quantum Linux Laboratories - Accelerating Business with Linux * Education * Integration * Support
Agreed! K5 will get maximum mileage out of this if it turns it's cheek and ignores this attack. -- Quantum Linux Laboratories - Accelerating Business with Linux * Education * Integration * Support
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I would have to agree with many other posters that/.'s handling of this story was extremely unprofessional
kuro5hin.org has the obligatory "Slashdot is censoring the story!" postings but has at least one seemingly clueful post
I believe this statement was very dismissive and judgemental towards K5 and an apology is, IMHO, in order.
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I used to work at a little ISP called Olympic Net in 1995 when the same thing happened. They had to give up their entire domain name and are now called "Silverlink". Where do we live? We live at the base of the Olympic Mountains in Washington State (who's capital is named Olympia). We asked why they weren't pursuing all of the local companies with Olympic in their name and they said that the Internet was international.
We were just a small ISP at the time and there's no way we could have fought it so we just caved. The most irritating thing was that I checked "olympic.net" a few years later and it was being used by "Olympic Paints". -- Quantum Linux Laboratories - Accelerating Business with Linux * Education * Integration * Support
eBay can kill off his identities, but not as fast as he can create them. Further, this has to do with interstate issues so they have to go to a federal judge. IMHO, this is exactly what should be happening. -- Quantum Linux Laboratories - Accelerating Business with Linux * Education * Integration * Support
4 stripes? Cool. If they left it that way, you could actually get 4 machines displaying to the same monitor at the same time without any hokey software. With some virtual terminal software you could also probably use the same mouse and keyboard for all of them (I saw this done once with an array of monitors). -- Quantum Linux Laboratories - Accelerating Business with Linux * Education * Integration * Support
"Seiko's research in Japan shows that a cellphone will only actually get 200 hours use per year"
Well duh, of course that's true because no one uses their phones for anything but phone calls and the occasional wireless web browsing. If you start throwing full motion video and god knows what else into that mix, you can bump that up by a factor of ten... It's no problem that it only lasts for 1000 hours as long as the engineers make the screens easily replaceable (yes I am aware of engineered obsolesence). There is no way I'm going to be willing to buy a new phone every 6 months! -- Quantum Linux Laboratories - Accelerating Business with Linux * Education * Integration * Support
This whole thing reminds me of something I read a while ago:
Two scientists inform God that they can create life better than he can. God is amused and says, "Ok, I'm listening". So one of the scientists reaches down to grab a handful of dirt to initiate the demonstration and God says, "Sorry, that's my dirt. You'll have to create life with your own dirt".
The point is that the building blocks were provided to us, we never created them. We're simply learning how to use them while the master looks on. Keep this in mind when you pat yourself on the back and say "I rule!". It's just a giant set of Legos... -- Quantum Linux Laboratories - Accelerating Business with Linux * Education * Integration * Support
Ya gotta love the way these trade groups are crying foul once they've been found out. Take a step back and you'll see that they are crying for stuff they've done themselves in one form or another. -- Quantum Linux Laboratories - Accelerating Business with Linux * Education * Integration * Support
5 hours for a keynote speech????? I normally don't do anything fun for five hours. It looks like it was more of a QA session than a "you listen to me" session though.
I also gotta say that the guy is consistent. As long as I have been reading about him, he hasn't deviated one iota from his course. His arguments are sound and he makes good points. -- Quantum Linux Laboratories - Accelerating Business with Linux * Education * Integration * Support
What would have me worried is the cameras on these things. I'd be worried that it might recognize something useful for garbage and "escort" it back to earth... -- Quantum Linux Laboratories - Accelerating Business with Linux * Education * Integration * Support
I find this very interesting especially from the standpoint of the animal's reaction to increased abilities. It has long been shown that animals react differently when pulled out of their native habitat. Perhaps you could turn a non-agressive animal into an agressive one if it suddenly "realized" that it no longer had to be afraid of what once were it's natural enemies. Instincts run deep though.
I suppose the true reason for doing something like this is to augment the natural abilities of a naturally occuring animal. Are there any special abilities a Lamprey has that would be useful if augmented?
-Chuck
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I read the whole site and looked at every picture and am confident that this is punitive action taken by someone close to Rodona. Here is how I came to my conclusion:
1. If this guy is such a professional, he would have included some valid contact information on the site. You would think that a professional would want to use something like this to promote himself.
2. There are banner ads on the site. This guy knew that it would be a hot topic and prepared with the requisite revenue generating banner ads. This is not the mark of a professional. I could understand if this were part of a larger site, and the banner ads were simply blanketed on all pages.
3. The pictures are too darn detailed. What reason would she have for keeping those on her own personal computer (which is where the "security expert" claims to have gotten them from). I don't know about you, but my first reaction to "driver's license photos" is to get rid of them.
4. The pictures were augmented with comments. A professional would not do this. Augmenting the pictures shows anger towards her. In a legitimate sense, this could be anger directed at a spammer, but it is an amatureish thing to do. This lends credibilty to the fact that she is an ex-something-or-another.
5. The risque stories are a bit odd. There is no context included with them and they appear to have simply been cut and pasted. Rodona's name isn't on the pages anywhere, nor are any e-mail headers, file names or other identifying marks on them that would indicate that they were part of Premier's product offering. Bottom line, they simply don't fit.
6. The "Email Me" link at the bottom of the page kinda gives it all away IMHO. Click it and you'll see what I mean...
So who do I think did it? There is a ring on her left finger in a few of the pictures so the obvious choice would be a bitter ex-husband. There is also a piece of someone in the background on the "freckled butt" picture. My guess is that he bears an amazing resemblence to the guy who created the website.
It is also obvious that this woman has children. I'm guessing there's probably a pretty nasty custody battle going on. I'm sure this isn't pleasant for her and her children. Imagine one of her kids picking up the phone and hearing a stream of vitrioloc filth from some ignoramus who thinks they're doing us all a favor.
Ok so maybe Rodona is being a B***CH about the divorce and her ex isn't exactly mature enough to handle it well. It probably explains why they are getting divorced in the first place. Please leave her alone. She's probably embarassed and stressed out enough as it is. Good luck Rodona. E-mail me if you want help (just reverse the address above)...
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Actually, this would only hurt those who live in the Redmond area. The Seattle/Greater Puget Sound area (where I live) is getting pretty diverse with a lot of startups and other big companies. Trust me, it wouldn't be that bad...
Boeing almost went out of business in the 70's and those who took advantage of the situation are rich now. Since most people were laid off, their houses went up on the auction block and folks who had jobs were picking up houses/cars and other assets for pennies on the dollar. Now these folks have like 10 houses that they own outright and live on a healthy rental income.
The same will happen with Redmond. All of those skyrocketing real-estate values will tumble very quickly and I'll be there to pick up some cheap houses. Given a few years, the hole that Microsoft left will fill in nicely and the only thing left will be the guy who bought the Gates mansion for $50.00 scratching his head saying, "What the hell just happened?".
One or two large companies puts your economy at too much risk. Especially a company like Microsoft who's intellectual property consists mainly of CD's and hard drives that can be loaded into a truck (or a few pieces of fiber). Now if Boeing or Weyerhauser were to leave the region, then we'd be in a world of hurt. Those guys collectively employ well over half of the Puget Sound workforce, making Microsoft's paultry 20,000 employees look like a whiny startup (and believe me, stock options aside, Boeing and Weyerhauser pay much better than Microsoft).
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I work at a large ".com" and one of the lead programmers is an ex-biologist who is almost 40 years old. Another person in my group is close to that same age, though he's been programming in the aerospace industry for his whole career. I think the discrimination is based on the likelihood of a 40-50 year old willing to work 16 hour days versus a 23 year old. You just need to find a company who isn't stupid enough to work it's most valuable asset 16 hours per day and you've found one that probably won't discriminate based on age.
Another issue that comes to mind is that 23 year olds are perceived as being more creative and "wiz kid" like than a 40-50 year old. I would venture to say that this is probably true. The issue is that there is a place for both. Most (but not all) 23 year old hot shot programmers doesn't know didly about CM (configuration management). 40-50 year old programmers have been in it long enough to know why CM is the biggest part of the project.
I think the best thing is to strike a balance between youthful enthusiasm and old age consistency. Too much of either one spells disaster for any project!
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In that case, you could just cut the phone line and wait to see who shows up... They may not know a thing about what the station's for, but they probably got a phone call from someone who did, telling them to go out there and see what's wrong... -- Quantum Linux Laboratories - Accelerating Business with Linux * Education * Integration * Support
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This is pretty surprising to me. The reason I originally chose MySQL was because of Linux Journal's reporting of how it stacked up with Oracle and the other commercial DB's. Hmmmm...
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There are two issues here.
1. In general, anything you say, do, write, think or produce is protected under the Berne convention.
2. However, #1. doesn't apply to those who have given up those rights either by posting on a forum with a TOS that includes implicitly giving up rights to postings or pysically signing some sort of document giving up those rights.
The Berne convention allows you to collect reasonable damages and (I believe, but don't quote me) reasonable attorney's fees. Copyrighting your work entitles you to $5000 per violation (and I believe other remedies, but I don't recall right now).
From what I have read in the above posts, many students have actually signed their Berne rights away. It all depends on the wording of that document they signed...
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Arrggghhh. I hate this. "It can be turned off by the user". Yeah, it can, but there is a danger that if it becomes some defacto identification standard, your life won't be functional if you turn it off. IE: Can't buy anything, etc. Eventually it gets so hard to function in the world, you just say, 'to heck with it' and leave it on all of the time.
This scares me.
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You really don't hear much about materials failure on these missions since they're so structurally overdesigned. It's usually some sort of software glitch or a design failure. Given that, a major malfunction is going to affect both probes equally.
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Choose Linux and you could go with a support company like us or LinuXcare. We'll take care of the whole kit and caboodle.
AIX is a good os, though I have never personally liked it. As for stability, it's pretty solid. My main complaint (among others) is that I have to add a ton of stuff to make it useful (and I'm not talking about GUI stuff) like vim, bash etc. I also very much dislike the way command history is the same for all shell windows. I guess I'm just spoiled on Linux...
Also, for web stuff, there's no getting around 100 1u Linux servers behind an f5 load balancer. Save your big iron for your database (until someone figures out how to decently cluster a database).
-Chuck
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I guess this makes me feel better. I know that half (or more) of the code I write would be laughed at by better programmers. It doesn't stop me from coding though. Like my Dad always says, "No matter how good you are, there's ALWAYS someone better!". So big deal, Bruce made a mistake. It makes me feel good about the fact that I can only do the best I can do and I can't waste my time (too much) worrying about how good someone else's code is.
Thanks Bruce...
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There's probably some good in this, in that it sets a precedent that can be used to combat similar cases in the US.
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It's already bad enough as it is. Everytime a new exploit comes out, I'm dropping EVERYTHING to install the patch. Inevitably, for the next few weeks, I'm on the phone with 2-3 sysadmins per day informing them that their site was broken into and used to crack other sites (including unsuccessful attempts on mine). What's it going to take to get these guys to start taking security seriously? If these people would get off their butts, script kiddies wouldn't have anything to crack. I remember talking to one admin who simply sighed and said, "again???".
Yeah, yeah yeah, I know, we're all busy. I'm just as busy as the rest of you. It's about where you prioritize your time. I'd gladly get a bit behind on my e-mail to test and install a patch rather than spend two weeks recovering a server (or a few days at the local FBI field office trying to explain why my server was used to send death threats to the president).
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This LD50 number has me a bit upset. Who in their right mind could pump an animal full of caffeine and let it shake and drool until it fried it's brain? I guess it was necessary to do a few times to discover the threshold and validate the results. I hope this sort of thing doesn't happen too often...
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Neal Stephenson was right, America does 4 things better than everyone else (page 2):
music
movies
microcode (software)
high speed pizza delivery
Yeah baby!
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Agreed! K5 will get maximum mileage out of this if it turns it's cheek and ignores this attack.
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I would have to agree with many other posters that /.'s handling of this story was extremely unprofessional
kuro5hin.org has the obligatory "Slashdot is censoring the story!" postings but has at least one seemingly clueful post
I believe this statement was very dismissive and judgemental towards K5 and an apology is, IMHO, in order.
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I used to work at a little ISP called Olympic Net in 1995 when the same thing happened. They had to give up their entire domain name and are now called "Silverlink". Where do we live? We live at the base of the Olympic Mountains in Washington State (who's capital is named Olympia). We asked why they weren't pursuing all of the local companies with Olympic in their name and they said that the Internet was international.
We were just a small ISP at the time and there's no way we could have fought it so we just caved. The most irritating thing was that I checked "olympic.net" a few years later and it was being used by "Olympic Paints".
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eBay can kill off his identities, but not as fast as he can create them. Further, this has to do with interstate issues so they have to go to a federal judge. IMHO, this is exactly what should be happening.
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4 stripes? Cool. If they left it that way, you could actually get 4 machines displaying to the same monitor at the same time without any hokey software. With some virtual terminal software you could also probably use the same mouse and keyboard for all of them (I saw this done once with an array of monitors).
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"Seiko's research in Japan shows that a cellphone will only actually get 200 hours use per year"
Well duh, of course that's true because no one uses their phones for anything but phone calls and the occasional wireless web browsing. If you start throwing full motion video and god knows what else into that mix, you can bump that up by a factor of ten... It's no problem that it only lasts for 1000 hours as long as the engineers make the screens easily replaceable (yes I am aware of engineered obsolesence). There is no way I'm going to be willing to buy a new phone every 6 months!
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This whole thing reminds me of something I read a while ago:
Two scientists inform God that they can create life better than he can. God is amused and says, "Ok, I'm listening". So one of the scientists reaches down to grab a handful of dirt to initiate the demonstration and God says, "Sorry, that's my dirt. You'll have to create life with your own dirt".
The point is that the building blocks were provided to us, we never created them. We're simply learning how to use them while the master looks on. Keep this in mind when you pat yourself on the back and say "I rule!". It's just a giant set of Legos...
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Ya gotta love the way these trade groups are crying foul once they've been found out. Take a step back and you'll see that they are crying for stuff they've done themselves in one form or another.
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5 hours for a keynote speech????? I normally don't do anything fun for five hours. It looks like it was more of a QA session than a "you listen to me" session though.
I also gotta say that the guy is consistent. As long as I have been reading about him, he hasn't deviated one iota from his course. His arguments are sound and he makes good points.
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What would have me worried is the cameras on these things. I'd be worried that it might recognize something useful for garbage and "escort" it back to earth...
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I find this very interesting especially from the standpoint of the animal's reaction to increased abilities. It has long been shown that animals react differently when pulled out of their native habitat. Perhaps you could turn a non-agressive animal into an agressive one if it suddenly "realized" that it no longer had to be afraid of what once were it's natural enemies. Instincts run deep though.
I suppose the true reason for doing something like this is to augment the natural abilities of a naturally occuring animal. Are there any special abilities a Lamprey has that would be useful if augmented?
-Chuck
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I read the whole site and looked at every picture and am confident that this is punitive action taken by someone close to Rodona. Here is how I came to my conclusion:
1. If this guy is such a professional, he would have included some valid contact information on the site. You would think that a professional would want to use something like this to promote himself.
2. There are banner ads on the site. This guy knew that it would be a hot topic and prepared with the requisite revenue generating banner ads. This is not the mark of a professional. I could understand if this were part of a larger site, and the banner ads were simply blanketed on all pages.
3. The pictures are too darn detailed. What reason would she have for keeping those on her own personal computer (which is where the "security expert" claims to have gotten them from). I don't know about you, but my first reaction to "driver's license photos" is to get rid of them.
4. The pictures were augmented with comments. A professional would not do this. Augmenting the pictures shows anger towards her. In a legitimate sense, this could be anger directed at a spammer, but it is an amatureish thing to do. This lends credibilty to the fact that she is an ex-something-or-another.
5. The risque stories are a bit odd. There is no context included with them and they appear to have simply been cut and pasted. Rodona's name isn't on the pages anywhere, nor are any e-mail headers, file names or other identifying marks on them that would indicate that they were part of Premier's product offering. Bottom line, they simply don't fit.
6. The "Email Me" link at the bottom of the page kinda gives it all away IMHO. Click it and you'll see what I mean...
So who do I think did it? There is a ring on her left finger in a few of the pictures so the obvious choice would be a bitter ex-husband. There is also a piece of someone in the background on the "freckled butt" picture. My guess is that he bears an amazing resemblence to the guy who created the website.
It is also obvious that this woman has children. I'm guessing there's probably a pretty nasty custody battle going on. I'm sure this isn't pleasant for her and her children. Imagine one of her kids picking up the phone and hearing a stream of vitrioloc filth from some ignoramus who thinks they're doing us all a favor.
Ok so maybe Rodona is being a B***CH about the divorce and her ex isn't exactly mature enough to handle it well. It probably explains why they are getting divorced in the first place. Please leave her alone. She's probably embarassed and stressed out enough as it is. Good luck Rodona. E-mail me if you want help (just reverse the address above)...
-Chuck
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Actually, this would only hurt those who live in the Redmond area. The Seattle/Greater Puget Sound area (where I live) is getting pretty diverse with a lot of startups and other big companies. Trust me, it wouldn't be that bad...
Boeing almost went out of business in the 70's and those who took advantage of the situation are rich now. Since most people were laid off, their houses went up on the auction block and folks who had jobs were picking up houses/cars and other assets for pennies on the dollar. Now these folks have like 10 houses that they own outright and live on a healthy rental income.
The same will happen with Redmond. All of those skyrocketing real-estate values will tumble very quickly and I'll be there to pick up some cheap houses. Given a few years, the hole that Microsoft left will fill in nicely and the only thing left will be the guy who bought the Gates mansion for $50.00 scratching his head saying, "What the hell just happened?".
One or two large companies puts your economy at too much risk. Especially a company like Microsoft who's intellectual property consists mainly of CD's and hard drives that can be loaded into a truck (or a few pieces of fiber). Now if Boeing or Weyerhauser were to leave the region, then we'd be in a world of hurt. Those guys collectively employ well over half of the Puget Sound workforce, making Microsoft's paultry 20,000 employees look like a whiny startup (and believe me, stock options aside, Boeing and Weyerhauser pay much better than Microsoft).
-Chuck
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I work at a large ".com" and one of the lead programmers is an ex-biologist who is almost 40 years old. Another person in my group is close to that same age, though he's been programming in the aerospace industry for his whole career. I think the discrimination is based on the likelihood of a 40-50 year old willing to work 16 hour days versus a 23 year old. You just need to find a company who isn't stupid enough to work it's most valuable asset 16 hours per day and you've found one that probably won't discriminate based on age.
Another issue that comes to mind is that 23 year olds are perceived as being more creative and "wiz kid" like than a 40-50 year old. I would venture to say that this is probably true. The issue is that there is a place for both. Most (but not all) 23 year old hot shot programmers doesn't know didly about CM (configuration management). 40-50 year old programmers have been in it long enough to know why CM is the biggest part of the project.
I think the best thing is to strike a balance between youthful enthusiasm and old age consistency. Too much of either one spells disaster for any project!
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In that case, you could just cut the phone line and wait to see who shows up... They may not know a thing about what the station's for, but they probably got a phone call from someone who did, telling them to go out there and see what's wrong...
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