Sure, instead we have dozens of cheap incompetent low level IT staff, that cost tipple one expensive Unix person, that think because they've used windows since they were born in the early 90's they're experts, but can't fix anything.
I was going to say, the start button isn't what people wanted, they wanted the start menu. METRO sucks on the desktop, I don't want it and I don't want to see it. Tablet or phone sure it makes sense.
Now we're probably going to have to sit through hundreds of posts for "I've been using windows 8.1 for 10 years and it's just so awesome with the new start button, just what everyone wanted. MS is such a great company that listens to their customers."
if they want to use the brand (married) their parents used, they should use the brand (opposite sex) that thheir parents used as well would be the argument to that
That's not really the point I was trying to make and sexuality isn't a brand. You don't decide to be gay anymore than you decide to be black, white or asian. Your argument is that you want some people to call it disposable snot rag instead of Kleenex, while everyone else uses the term Kleenex. That's discriminatory, which is what the SCOTUS ruled.
If you're going to throw a shitfit over it... Well too bad supreme court said gays can call it whatever they please. Besides marriage, life partner, house mate, whatever! They diverse to be as miserable as the rest of us:)
I think it's more about branding. Marriage stands for the commitment of one person to another. I personally don't see why it's a such a big deal that I had to go through a ceremony with my wife to indicate to her that I would be there for her, especially since we were together for 10 years before I even proposed. The word marriage is the word we use to describe that bond/way of life. Telling someone they can't be married, but it's ok for them to be joined as life partners I would say is like telling someone, women in particular, they can't use 3 ply cashmere toilet paper, but feel free to use single ply generic brand instead.
The shitfit is because you told them they can't use the brand name they want, the brand their parents used, and their parents before them. My wife has a fit if I get the wrong brand toilet paper so I can kind of understand why it's important for some people to be "married" and not just "life partners".
Yeah, I read that too. Now it sounds to me like MS knew that was coming down the pipeline, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a hand in it, and decided to get in on the ground floor so they could say, "Hay look at us we did it willingly, that Google guy is trying to screw you over!!"
That's much clearer. Still if a school was to limit students to only using Bing because supposedly MS would remove commercial or sponsored results, do you think we could actually trust MS to do that? I seriously doubt it.
MS could weasel it's way into a monopoly in schools, limit students exposure to their competition, hurt the competition in the long run AND get the sponsored results. I'd still be pretty P.Oed if that was the stance my kids school was taking.
Same here, I'm Canadian and travel to the states often, my mom is in the states. I've never had a problem with my legally owned, but illegally ripped music and movies. Under the DMCA it's illegal to remove digital locks on content, so even though I've bought a movie and have the right to do as I wish with it, it's technically illegal to rip it so I can carry a library of them on a USB stick while traveling. One of those grey areas with the DMCA. As I said, I've never been given a problem crossing the boarder with it.
In hindsight my last post makes me sound a lot angrier than I actually am, but I think if ads are an issue schools should be using ad blockers. I don't think limiting the information they have access to is an acceptable solution. I may be misunderstanding what "commercial or sponsored" results refers to.
That said, for the stuff K-12 students are likely to *need* to search for in a school environment, Bing is probably fine. It's a less-capable search engine in general, IMHO, but it's good enough for typical searches for "with no ads!!!" to be a reasonable selling point for schools.
I was with you up to this point.
"good enough for typical searches for "with no ads!!!"" is not good enough for me. I want my kids to learn to think for themselves and make use of all the tools at their disposal. It's especially important at the grade school level where they develop the habits they'll use for the rest of their academic career and beyond.
This is a marketing strategy and I would be offended if I found out that my daughter's school was forcing her to use Bing. I won't have MS using my kids education as a marketing tool against their competitor at the cost of her future education and research habits. If the school wanted to provide Bing as the default, but still allowed the students to use Google, Yahooh or DuckDuckGo, I'd be ok with that, but I'm not ok with them choosing one and limiting exposure to other methods and comparing results.
I don't doubt one bit that, Canada at least, has a similar monitoring program. We just don't have any false pretenses that it doesn't exist because over 200 years ago a bunch of guys that had some great ideas for how a government should behave wrote it down on a piece of paper. I hate to generalize because I lived in the states for a number of years and know a lot of Americans that don't follow the stereotype, but still a lot of Americans think just because this piece of paper exists, and was signed by bunch of guys they've never met, it's enough to grant them indiscriminate rights. Most Americans remain in the dark, they see bars around the US and think the rest of the world is a prison camp compared to the US, but it's really not. To everyone else sees the bars as keeping the prisoners in, what's odd is the prisoners are the ones putting the bars in place.
I've lived in Canada, UK and US and can say all have different ideas of what freedom means. Americans tend to throw the term around more than the other two, but seem to have a much less of understanding of what it actually means to be free and what responsibilities are associated with it. As an example, In Canada we don't have a guaranteed freedom of speech, but we still talk smack about and are extremely critical of our government. We don't have a right to bear arms, but we still have gun enthusiast. What we do have a lot less of is hate speech and gun related crimes and deaths.
I remember the article about MS implementing DNT by default. It was actually one of the few occasions around here where they got praised. Normally they're so anticonsumer rights they don't deserve it.
I see what you did there. There tons of references from news articles and blogs, but you wouldn't accept them anyway because it's second hand "re-tweeting". Aside from that the original comment I made was telling blarkon not to call it a menu. Good strategy, change the subject then attack new post rather than defending a lost cause.
You know what makes people quick to hate? Spending all day reading shrill post about how great terrible product is. I actually use to be quite interested to hear what people had to say about tech products from any company. Then Windows 8 came and it just turned into a big ball of you can't believe anything. Unfortunately I don't have time to go and read everyone's post history, but I've read a lot of very hilarious ones that make it extremely clear someone's a shrill. All I can do is assume everyone with something good to say about MS is a shrill.
Sorry if you genuinely like the RT, but it's Microsoft's reputation management team that's ruining it for you.
You want to have Metro on a tablet, fine, that's ok, but it's not what people want on a desktop. So MS throws the button back on and calls it a menu to try and fool desktop users, but it's not a menu, it's a BUTTON, and everyone know it, so they haven't done what was asked.
No wonder windows 8 was such a flop, the people in charge don't even know the difference between basic UI elements.
Do we have to go through the the same BS we went through when Windows 8 was in consumer preview. Months of, "I've used Windows 8 since Developer preview, and it's just swell. My five year old loves... blah... blah... blah...".
This is./, we're the techies that decide how good a product is. Windows 8 is a failure, no one's buying your BS here, find a local news paper to post in.
If they're trying to sell you something you don't want, don't buy it.
They are going to turn this in to a monitoring device. Maybe not the tinfoil hat NSA is watching me type, but it'll be used to count participants playing games watching pay-per-view events, determine how interested you are in things and can record conversations and keywords that will be used in marketing products to you and billing. E.G. Saw an ad for deodorant last night, wife says "I don't like their packaging". There's a lot of information for the deodorant company in that one phrase they normally would pay a lot of money to setup a small focus group for. Now they can get millions of opinions by cheaply buying the info from MS.
They might not be saying it up front, but once it's in every home they will require it to be on and listening.
Microsoft is trying to make their company more relevant in the age of tablets, entertainment devices and bring your own device (BYOD). It's dying because they don't have the ad revenue of Google or the loyal "shut-up and take my money" apple crowd and they can't get a foot hold in tablets and phones, which is killing their primary desktop market, which will eventually lead to a decline in the office environment desktop environment. BYOD is already starting to eat into the office market with Blackberries, iPads and Phones and Android phones and tablets.
This whole DRM scheme and turning the XBOne into a media hub with forced kinect is part of their new strategy to get into the ad revenue market to collect and sell user data. IMHO that is why they wanted XBOne to connect every 24 hours, not for game licencing, but to communicate collected ad data to a central server. I'm willing to bet that even thought they've backtracked on the "Has to connect every 24 hours", they're still going to connect every 24 hours when possible.
If you don't want the kinect, just don't buy XBOne.
I don't understand why people keep making this suggestion. I'm going to buy an expensive piece of hardware then purposely wreck it?!!
Just don't frigg'n buy it in the first place.
They're going to find ways to know if you've disabled the camera or mic, most likely the stupid thing isn't going to work at some point if you can't feed it a voice command and last time I checked an infra red camera that sense heat can also see through a thin layer of tape. I'm almost certain in a years time we'll be reading about people that lost access to hundreds of dollars of digital media because they broke the XBone ToS by disabling the Kinect.
Return of the start BUTTON. It still takes you to metro, which is useless on a desktop. It's not what consumers asked for, it's just paying lip service.
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Sure, instead we have dozens of cheap incompetent low level IT staff, that cost tipple one expensive Unix person, that think because they've used windows since they were born in the early 90's they're experts, but can't fix anything.
You shouldn't have posted AC, that's a pretty insightful comment. I think it might actually be kind of fun to use that to hashout shills.
I was going to say, the start button isn't what people wanted, they wanted the start menu. METRO sucks on the desktop, I don't want it and I don't want to see it. Tablet or phone sure it makes sense.
Now we're probably going to have to sit through hundreds of posts for "I've been using windows 8.1 for 10 years and it's just so awesome with the new start button, just what everyone wanted. MS is such a great company that listens to their customers."
if they want to use the brand (married) their parents used, they should use the brand (opposite sex) that thheir parents used as well would be the argument to that
That's not really the point I was trying to make and sexuality isn't a brand. You don't decide to be gay anymore than you decide to be black, white or asian. Your argument is that you want some people to call it disposable snot rag instead of Kleenex, while everyone else uses the term Kleenex. That's discriminatory, which is what the SCOTUS ruled.
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If you're going to throw a shitfit over it... Well too bad supreme court said gays can call it whatever they please. Besides marriage, life partner, house mate, whatever! They diverse to be as miserable as the rest of us
I think it's more about branding. Marriage stands for the commitment of one person to another. I personally don't see why it's a such a big deal that I had to go through a ceremony with my wife to indicate to her that I would be there for her, especially since we were together for 10 years before I even proposed. The word marriage is the word we use to describe that bond/way of life. Telling someone they can't be married, but it's ok for them to be joined as life partners I would say is like telling someone, women in particular, they can't use 3 ply cashmere toilet paper, but feel free to use single ply generic brand instead.
The shitfit is because you told them they can't use the brand name they want, the brand their parents used, and their parents before them. My wife has a fit if I get the wrong brand toilet paper so I can kind of understand why it's important for some people to be "married" and not just "life partners".
Yeah, I read that too. Now it sounds to me like MS knew that was coming down the pipeline, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a hand in it, and decided to get in on the ground floor so they could say, "Hay look at us we did it willingly, that Google guy is trying to screw you over!!"
How about, windows 8 is an even stupider idea on a server than it is for a desktop?
You know for a little variety.
That's much clearer. Still if a school was to limit students to only using Bing because supposedly MS would remove commercial or sponsored results, do you think we could actually trust MS to do that? I seriously doubt it.
MS could weasel it's way into a monopoly in schools, limit students exposure to their competition, hurt the competition in the long run AND get the sponsored results. I'd still be pretty P.Oed if that was the stance my kids school was taking.
Same here, I'm Canadian and travel to the states often, my mom is in the states. I've never had a problem with my legally owned, but illegally ripped music and movies. Under the DMCA it's illegal to remove digital locks on content, so even though I've bought a movie and have the right to do as I wish with it, it's technically illegal to rip it so I can carry a library of them on a USB stick while traveling. One of those grey areas with the DMCA. As I said, I've never been given a problem crossing the boarder with it.
In hindsight my last post makes me sound a lot angrier than I actually am, but I think if ads are an issue schools should be using ad blockers. I don't think limiting the information they have access to is an acceptable solution. I may be misunderstanding what "commercial or sponsored" results refers to.
That said, for the stuff K-12 students are likely to *need* to search for in a school environment, Bing is probably fine. It's a less-capable search engine in general, IMHO, but it's good enough for typical searches for "with no ads!!!" to be a reasonable selling point for schools.
I was with you up to this point.
"good enough for typical searches for "with no ads!!!"" is not good enough for me. I want my kids to learn to think for themselves and make use of all the tools at their disposal. It's especially important at the grade school level where they develop the habits they'll use for the rest of their academic career and beyond.
This is a marketing strategy and I would be offended if I found out that my daughter's school was forcing her to use Bing. I won't have MS using my kids education as a marketing tool against their competitor at the cost of her future education and research habits. If the school wanted to provide Bing as the default, but still allowed the students to use Google, Yahooh or DuckDuckGo, I'd be ok with that, but I'm not ok with them choosing one and limiting exposure to other methods and comparing results.
I don't doubt one bit that, Canada at least, has a similar monitoring program. We just don't have any false pretenses that it doesn't exist because over 200 years ago a bunch of guys that had some great ideas for how a government should behave wrote it down on a piece of paper. I hate to generalize because I lived in the states for a number of years and know a lot of Americans that don't follow the stereotype, but still a lot of Americans think just because this piece of paper exists, and was signed by bunch of guys they've never met, it's enough to grant them indiscriminate rights. Most Americans remain in the dark, they see bars around the US and think the rest of the world is a prison camp compared to the US, but it's really not. To everyone else sees the bars as keeping the prisoners in, what's odd is the prisoners are the ones putting the bars in place.
I've lived in Canada, UK and US and can say all have different ideas of what freedom means. Americans tend to throw the term around more than the other two, but seem to have a much less of understanding of what it actually means to be free and what responsibilities are associated with it. As an example, In Canada we don't have a guaranteed freedom of speech, but we still talk smack about and are extremely critical of our government. We don't have a right to bear arms, but we still have gun enthusiast. What we do have a lot less of is hate speech and gun related crimes and deaths.
I remember the article about MS implementing DNT by default. It was actually one of the few occasions around here where they got praised. Normally they're so anticonsumer rights they don't deserve it.
I find that amusing as I doubt most people here could afford a D-wave. Not that it wouldn't be fun to have one to play with.
I see what you did there. There tons of references from news articles and blogs, but you wouldn't accept them anyway because it's second hand "re-tweeting". Aside from that the original comment I made was telling blarkon not to call it a menu. Good strategy, change the subject then attack new post rather than defending a lost cause.
Obvious troll is obvious.
You know what makes people quick to hate? Spending all day reading shrill post about how great terrible product is. I actually use to be quite interested to hear what people had to say about tech products from any company. Then Windows 8 came and it just turned into a big ball of you can't believe anything. Unfortunately I don't have time to go and read everyone's post history, but I've read a lot of very hilarious ones that make it extremely clear someone's a shrill. All I can do is assume everyone with something good to say about MS is a shrill.
Sorry if you genuinely like the RT, but it's Microsoft's reputation management team that's ruining it for you.
You want to have Metro on a tablet, fine, that's ok, but it's not what people want on a desktop. So MS throws the button back on and calls it a menu to try and fool desktop users, but it's not a menu, it's a BUTTON, and everyone know it, so they haven't done what was asked.
No wonder windows 8 was such a flop, the people in charge don't even know the difference between basic UI elements.
Not getting the start menu. It's getting a start BUTTON. It still takes you to metro, so no thanks. It's a crap product that no one wants.
Do we have to go through the the same BS we went through when Windows 8 was in consumer preview. Months of, "I've used Windows 8 since Developer preview, and it's just swell. My five year old loves... blah... blah... blah...".
./, we're the techies that decide how good a product is. Windows 8 is a failure, no one's buying your BS here, find a local news paper to post in.
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If they're trying to sell you something you don't want, don't buy it.
They are going to turn this in to a monitoring device. Maybe not the tinfoil hat NSA is watching me type, but it'll be used to count participants playing games watching pay-per-view events, determine how interested you are in things and can record conversations and keywords that will be used in marketing products to you and billing. E.G. Saw an ad for deodorant last night, wife says "I don't like their packaging". There's a lot of information for the deodorant company in that one phrase they normally would pay a lot of money to setup a small focus group for. Now they can get millions of opinions by cheaply buying the info from MS.
They might not be saying it up front, but once it's in every home they will require it to be on and listening.
Microsoft is trying to make their company more relevant in the age of tablets, entertainment devices and bring your own device (BYOD). It's dying because they don't have the ad revenue of Google or the loyal "shut-up and take my money" apple crowd and they can't get a foot hold in tablets and phones, which is killing their primary desktop market, which will eventually lead to a decline in the office environment desktop environment. BYOD is already starting to eat into the office market with Blackberries, iPads and Phones and Android phones and tablets.
This whole DRM scheme and turning the XBOne into a media hub with forced kinect is part of their new strategy to get into the ad revenue market to collect and sell user data. IMHO that is why they wanted XBOne to connect every 24 hours, not for game licencing, but to communicate collected ad data to a central server. I'm willing to bet that even thought they've backtracked on the "Has to connect every 24 hours", they're still going to connect every 24 hours when possible.
If you don't want the kinect, just don't buy XBOne.
Exact same outrage, but they already have your money so they don't care. Sony will probably do it too.
So it's ok to be an evil company as Iong as everyone else is too?
I don't understand why people keep making this suggestion. I'm going to buy an expensive piece of hardware then purposely wreck it?!!
Just don't frigg'n buy it in the first place.
They're going to find ways to know if you've disabled the camera or mic, most likely the stupid thing isn't going to work at some point if you can't feed it a voice command and last time I checked an infra red camera that sense heat can also see through a thin layer of tape. I'm almost certain in a years time we'll be reading about people that lost access to hundreds of dollars of digital media because they broke the XBone ToS by disabling the Kinect.
Why not just not buy it and save yourself the headache all around?
Return of the start BUTTON. It still takes you to metro, which is useless on a desktop. It's not what consumers asked for, it's just paying lip service.