Assuming you're not fibbing about who you are. I think I can speak for a lot of PS3 Linux users and say, "Thank you".
At the very least I've seen many comments from people saying they're going to do something, but nothing is changing. I know Amazon willingly paid you, but this sets a president and now people who didn't use Linux will probably go after the retailers for money. The retailers can cause much more ruckus then the "small percentage" of us that do use Linux.
I down loaded the 3.15 update, before 3.21 came out. Supposedly you could upgrade your console back from 3.21 with it using a USB drive. I haven't done the downgrade to 3.21 yet so I don't know if it will work. I'm sure you should be able to Google it and get the 3.15 download somewhere. There was someone in the PS forums who posted a link to a download site he ran... before his post was removed by the moderators.
No, it was for PS2 backward compatibility. At the time the format wars between BD and HDDVD were going on. Although I was sure BD would win out I wasn't willing to bank on it. Actually, I've had my PS3 for three years and only own one BD movie. Now I've read they're coming out with one of two new BD formats that will render the player in the PS3 obsolete. http://www.cnet.com.au/new-blu-rays-get-2-5x-storage-won-t-work-in-your-player-339302332.htm
Doesn't it also say they can change it at any time? I had read that it did.
In the EULA it says they may change or update a feature, but never says they can remove features.
Also, did these folks make the requirement known to the seller at the time of sale? Pretty doubtful.
The sell person I was dealing with knew about it because I asked about being able to run Linux. The sales clerk pointed out on the box to me and told me I could install Linux. I remember it very clearly because I had read the PS3 could run Linux several times in the weeks leading up to the release and wanted to make sure it really could before I spent all the extra money on it. Maybe the store didn't know and the clerk was just extra knowledgeable, but seeing as how I bought my PS3 on release day I doubt it.
I'd like to see that. I've read in several places they only allowed Linux for the EU tax break. I'd like to see Sony have to pay retroactively seeing as how they retroactively removed the feature.
No, The guy got a refund for a PS3 he purchased that originally had the Other OS feature. Sony removed it after he had bought and paid for the PS3, Amazon can't time travel and go back to remove the advertised feature before the guy bought this PS3 so it's not their fault. However, under EU law you can't go after the manufacture for a Bait and Switch you have to go after the seller.
Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're trying to say, but an EULA cannot override federal Law. This guy got money back because in the EU you can't sell a product then remove major features that were the advertised at the point of sale. So signing an EULA when the product was bought wouldn't matter, he still would have gotten his money back.
The issue is it was Amazon that had to pay out not Sony. That being said if Amazon had to pay out to a S*** load of people they'd probably take Sony on. One large corporation taking on another has a better chance then a bunch of Linux geeks, but at best Sony would just have to pay out. I bought my PS3 for the other OS feature and I want to keep it.
If I had kept the receipt for my PS3 I might go after EB games for a refund. After all Sony took my $800 PS3 "super computer" and turned it into a cheap $150 PS3 Slim. I wonder if Sony re-enables the feature if the guy would have to give the money back?
Well if you didn't let Joe use your name in the fist place you wouldn't be in that mess would you? You deserve to pay whatever the bank tells you to pay.
No. Although if they get away with removing the other OS feature then they could (I'm speculating) try to remove the backward compatibility for the fat system that had it emulated in software. I wouldn't put it past them if it came down to trying to force people to buy new games.
I have the version where the BC was done in hardware, I'm pretty sure they can't remove that with out really screwing with something.
I've also read it was allowed to boot Linux so it could be considered a PC and circumvent EU tax laws. Not that I wouldn't put it past Sony, but it's all speculation as to what their real motives were.
I have to disagree with you on the Sony-PS3 association issue. If you were to ask anyone what products Sony makes I'd guarantee they'll answer with at least TVs, DVD/BD players and the Playstation. When Sony screws with a high end, at least it use to be, product like the Playstation, which is one of the products Sony is known for I'd be willing to bet people will associate the behavior with Sony, not the PS.
Actually if you look at anyone in the PS forums or here you'll notice they blame Sony, which probably had nothing or very little to do with the decision made by the division that produces the PS in the first place.
I want to agree with your statement that the Linux community using the PS3 is very minor, but I'm really starting to wonder. There are no numbers to figure out how big the community is there are only estimates and all the estimates I've read in various forums put the Linux users in the ~2-3% of users group (there are no solid numbers that I could find), but they've dominated the Sony forums and just about any online publication that mentions the 3.21 update. I suppose it could be like the bat in Ferngully, "Puff up!! Puff up!! They hate it when you do that!". With the shear volume of complaints and buzz more people are going to hear about Sony being the source of the issue at hand then anything else and at the very least people will associate that with TVs and DVD/BD players.
Mostly I agree with the points you raised here. A couple of things I don't think you've thought of are the people who bought the fat PS3 are also the early adopts, the people that keep a product floundering until it catches on. Without them the PS3 would have been dead before it was even released (that's an exaggeration to make a point). Those people are now less likely to buy into the PS4 when it eventually comes out.
The early adopting Linux geeks are also a very vocal, mostly technically inclined, community. Others who aren't so technically inclined get advice from these geeks. I know at least 12 people who bought a PS3 on my recommendation before I found out Sony removed backward compatibility from the console. I also know several other people who bought PS3s because of recommendations made by others.
What this amounts to is a very vocal community that will now not only not recommend a PS3 or PS4, but now have more ammunition against Sony products in general. IMHO, Sony is losing out on sales for TVs, Laptops, BD players, remotes, speakers, monitors, etc..., not just from the geeks, but anyone who seeks advice from them.
Oh that's certainly true, but then I can't use it for the other reasons I bought it. BluRay, Games, Media Server, PSN.
If you think that's a choice here's one I posted later on in the forum. Would you like to be shot in your left or right knee cap? You have a choice and regardless of how painful it is you'll still be able to use the other leg or get a prosthetic one to use them both... Until Sony, I mean I decide to take that too.
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From what I've been reading the shortages are due to factory production issues, not consumer demand.
Sorry I have to make a correction. All I would have been will to pay for it. After what Sony just did to me they'd be lucky if I'd take one for free.
$150 is all I'd be willing to pay for it as a gaming console.
...No I think I'm right... It should have been Sony who paid out, but instead it was Amazon. Amazon shouldn't have had to pay out.
Assuming you're not fibbing about who you are. I think I can speak for a lot of PS3 Linux users and say, "Thank you".
At the very least I've seen many comments from people saying they're going to do something, but nothing is changing. I know Amazon willingly paid you, but this sets a president and now people who didn't use Linux will probably go after the retailers for money. The retailers can cause much more ruckus then the "small percentage" of us that do use Linux.
I down loaded the 3.15 update, before 3.21 came out. Supposedly you could upgrade your console back from 3.21 with it using a USB drive. I haven't done the downgrade to 3.21 yet so I don't know if it will work. I'm sure you should be able to Google it and get the 3.15 download somewhere. There was someone in the PS forums who posted a link to a download site he ran... before his post was removed by the moderators.
No, it was for PS2 backward compatibility. At the time the format wars between BD and HDDVD were going on. Although I was sure BD would win out I wasn't willing to bank on it. Actually, I've had my PS3 for three years and only own one BD movie. Now I've read they're coming out with one of two new BD formats that will render the player in the PS3 obsolete. http://www.cnet.com.au/new-blu-rays-get-2-5x-storage-won-t-work-in-your-player-339302332.htm
You mean kind of like I can change your car in to thin air?
That probably should have gone in the car analogy thread
I can't understand why Sony keeps shooting themselves in the foot.
Because they can't reach the trigger of the shot gun if they try to shoot themselves in the head.
Doesn't it also say they can change it at any time? I had read that it did.
In the EULA it says they may change or update a feature, but never says they can remove features.
Also, did these folks make the requirement known to the seller at the time of sale? Pretty doubtful.
The sell person I was dealing with knew about it because I asked about being able to run Linux. The sales clerk pointed out on the box to me and told me I could install Linux. I remember it very clearly because I had read the PS3 could run Linux several times in the weeks leading up to the release and wanted to make sure it really could before I spent all the extra money on it. Maybe the store didn't know and the clerk was just extra knowledgeable, but seeing as how I bought my PS3 on release day I doubt it.
I'd like to see that. I've read in several places they only allowed Linux for the EU tax break. I'd like to see Sony have to pay retroactively seeing as how they retroactively removed the feature.
No, The guy got a refund for a PS3 he purchased that originally had the Other OS feature. Sony removed it after he had bought and paid for the PS3, Amazon can't time travel and go back to remove the advertised feature before the guy bought this PS3 so it's not their fault. However, under EU law you can't go after the manufacture for a Bait and Switch you have to go after the seller.
Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're trying to say, but an EULA cannot override federal Law. This guy got money back because in the EU you can't sell a product then remove major features that were the advertised at the point of sale. So signing an EULA when the product was bought wouldn't matter, he still would have gotten his money back.
Was the Other OS characteristics ever listed as a sales argument / product description by Sony?
It's on my box. It was one of two main reasons I paid an extra $500 instead of getting a Wii.
The issue is it was Amazon that had to pay out not Sony. That being said if Amazon had to pay out to a S*** load of people they'd probably take Sony on. One large corporation taking on another has a better chance then a bunch of Linux geeks, but at best Sony would just have to pay out. I bought my PS3 for the other OS feature and I want to keep it.
If I had kept the receipt for my PS3 I might go after EB games for a refund. After all Sony took my $800 PS3 "super computer" and turned it into a cheap $150 PS3 Slim. I wonder if Sony re-enables the feature if the guy would have to give the money back?
Well if you didn't let Joe use your name in the fist place you wouldn't be in that mess would you? You deserve to pay whatever the bank tells you to pay.
How F*&$ dare anyone out there make fun of Britney... I mean the banks.
No. Although if they get away with removing the other OS feature then they could (I'm speculating) try to remove the backward compatibility for the fat system that had it emulated in software. I wouldn't put it past them if it came down to trying to force people to buy new games.
I have the version where the BC was done in hardware, I'm pretty sure they can't remove that with out really screwing with something.
I've also read it was allowed to boot Linux so it could be considered a PC and circumvent EU tax laws. Not that I wouldn't put it past Sony, but it's all speculation as to what their real motives were.
I have to disagree with you on the Sony-PS3 association issue. If you were to ask anyone what products Sony makes I'd guarantee they'll answer with at least TVs, DVD/BD players and the Playstation. When Sony screws with a high end, at least it use to be, product like the Playstation, which is one of the products Sony is known for I'd be willing to bet people will associate the behavior with Sony, not the PS.
Actually if you look at anyone in the PS forums or here you'll notice they blame Sony, which probably had nothing or very little to do with the decision made by the division that produces the PS in the first place.
I want to agree with your statement that the Linux community using the PS3 is very minor, but I'm really starting to wonder. There are no numbers to figure out how big the community is there are only estimates and all the estimates I've read in various forums put the Linux users in the ~2-3% of users group (there are no solid numbers that I could find), but they've dominated the Sony forums and just about any online publication that mentions the 3.21 update. I suppose it could be like the bat in Ferngully, "Puff up!! Puff up!! They hate it when you do that!". With the shear volume of complaints and buzz more people are going to hear about Sony being the source of the issue at hand then anything else and at the very least people will associate that with TVs and DVD/BD players.
Mostly I agree with the points you raised here. A couple of things I don't think you've thought of are the people who bought the fat PS3 are also the early adopts, the people that keep a product floundering until it catches on. Without them the PS3 would have been dead before it was even released (that's an exaggeration to make a point). Those people are now less likely to buy into the PS4 when it eventually comes out.
The early adopting Linux geeks are also a very vocal, mostly technically inclined, community. Others who aren't so technically inclined get advice from these geeks. I know at least 12 people who bought a PS3 on my recommendation before I found out Sony removed backward compatibility from the console. I also know several other people who bought PS3s because of recommendations made by others.
What this amounts to is a very vocal community that will now not only not recommend a PS3 or PS4, but now have more ammunition against Sony products in general. IMHO, Sony is losing out on sales for TVs, Laptops, BD players, remotes, speakers, monitors, etc..., not just from the geeks, but anyone who seeks advice from them.
That ones actually called Anonymous Coward.
Sorry for feeding the trolls
Thanks I read it only had 16 MB somewhere. I should get a -1 misinformation mod.
Oh that's certainly true, but then I can't use it for the other reasons I bought it. BluRay, Games, Media Server, PSN.
If you think that's a choice here's one I posted later on in the forum. Would you like to be shot in your left or right knee cap? You have a choice and regardless of how painful it is you'll still be able to use the other leg or get a prosthetic one to use them both... Until Sony, I mean I decide to take that too.
I'm glad you're in a position to make that statement.
What was it you recently cracked again?