LOL, I was just thinking that I'm a kid at 30, this AC must be in his 90's. Hay old man would you like some stewed prunes to help dislodge that stick? I kind of wonder if you even know what these new fanged boxes that play moving pictures really are.
If you choose not to update you can do whatever the hell you want with your PS3
Except use it to play newer games, new BluRay moves, Can't use the media server to watch movies I bought and downloaded and I can't access the PSN to retrieve any DLC I've paid for and need to re-download, sync my trophies, chat and the list goes on.
What I can still do with my PS3 if I don't downgrade it with the 3.21 patch is use Other OS, play PS1 and PS2 games (the fat has backward compatibility) and use the media server to play pirated movies and TV series.
So, the results are I won't be buy any new Sony products, I won't ever be buying any DLC, BluRay or downloadable movies again. This experience has taught me that at anytime any group can take stuff you've bought away so I'm not going to be wasting my money anymore. Sony has lost one paying customer and gained one proponent to piracy.
The PS3 was the only console not hacked for piracy. I bought my fat PS3 because of Linux support, Sony was underhanded and took that away. I think they deserve to lose out on some profits because of the disrespect they showed their paying customers. IMHO, no one hacked the PS3 because Sony was being semi-open and allowing people to use a piece of hardware the bought for something they wanted to use it for.
I won't be spending anymore money on Sony products or PS3 games in general, but I'm pissed off they took something I have already paid for away.
I sent e-mails and complained in forums and to the BBB. What I got back from Sony was a quote of Section 11 from the EULA saying they have the right to change the way their console, that's taking up space in my den, at anytime. The BBB sent me response saying "We're investigating".
Dispute what Sony did to screw me and all other PS3 Linux users over if you wanted to continue to hack the PS3 all you had to do was not update. So did what they do really effect someone trying to open the console for piracy? NO.
I've only read about the proxy work around, to my knowledge it only works if you want to connect to the PSN and buy content there. The fact is if you own a PS3 and want to do anything except use it as a Linux box you will have to eventually update it. Sony will find a way to block the proxy and even if they don't, not having the update will mean you can't play new BluRay movies or use the media server to play legit DRM movies.
That being said, to my knowledge I can still play PS1, PS2 and all the PS3 games I currently own without updating the firmware. I was also able to use the media server to play a TV series from my laptop that my younger sister had on a USB drive, so I assume pirated movies and music work with the media server. I started downloading a few things to test that theory, which I hope to do when I get home.
I use Ubuntu on my PS3 for development and testing and have never had any problems with updates. Until this one, but the problem I'm having is that I don't want to / not going to do the update.
You forgot you'll no longer be able to play any new games, use the media server to play any legitimately bought DRMed movies or play any BluRay movies that require the new firmware.
Take your pick use it as a Linux box or everything else you bought it for except a Linux box.
I don't plan on doing the update until it's absolutely necessary. I'm also hoping they'll put the Other OS functionality back, but I'm not holding my breath. I won't be buying any new Sony products in the near future, even if they put the functionality back, but until l they put it back I won't even consider them.
Can't here in Canada either. Nothing over rules federal law. Sony is just depending on people being too lazy to do anything. Besides if anything ended up going to court it wouldn't be for years.
I'm not sure what the laws for this sort of thing are in Canada, but I'm sure Sony had their lawyers confirm it's ok to do because they're looking at quite the shit storm of angry customers that bought the PS3 for this functionality.
I'm an Oceanographic Data Technician; I develop software for GIS ship tracking, Metadata, external tool collection and data modeling. I bought the PS3 when it first came out for 2 reasons, backward compatibility with the PS and PS2 and being able to install Linux.
I use my PS3 for gaming, but I'm also heavy into development on it, although it's not my main development machine. I also use other Linux features. The other OS feature was what gave the PS3 an edge over the Xbox for me. After this incident, unless Sony re-enables the feature, I will never buy another Sony product. I will also not only not recommend the PS3 or PS4 or PS5 to anyone that ask me for tech advice, I will right out tell everyone to NOT BUY SONY PRODUCTS. You never know when they might decide to disable the feature to play images on to that nice big TV screen.
Thank you for writing us with your concerns for the upcoming firmware release and it's features.
The Playstation®User agreement states that we may update the system which may change the operating system.
11. MAINTENANCE AND UPGRADES
From time to time, it may become necessary for SCEA to provide certain content to you to ensure that PlayStation(R)Network and content offered through Playstation®Network, your PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system, the PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) system or other SCEA-authorized hardware is functioning properly in accordance with SCEA guidelines. Some content may be provided automatically without notice when you sign into Playstation®Network. Such content may include automatic updates or upgrades which may change your current operating system, cause a loss of data or content or cause a loss of functionalities or utilities. Such upgrades or updates may be provided for system software for your PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system, the PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) system, or other SCEA-authorized hardware. Access or use to any system software is subject to terms and conditions of a separate end user license agreement found at http://www.us.playstation.com/termsofuse. You authorize SCEA to provide such content and agree that SCEA shall not be liable for any damages arising from provision of such content or maintenance services. It is recommended that you regularly back up any data located on the hard disk that is of a type that can be backed up.
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I'm Canadian and have lived in several states. Trust me on this one. Both countries are great and each has it's own distinct advantages, but Ottawa is not a trade up.
Canadian politicians are just a corrupt as US politicians. At least the American system has some semblance of checks and balances so no arm of the government supposedly has more power then any other. In Canada there is the Prim Minister (Who really has no more power then his party has seats in the house) and the house. There's also the senate, but their just appointed friends of the government of the time that get a free ride for the rest of their lives.
I was taught unimportant words in an acronym are lowercase indicating the word represented by the letter is a conjunction or preposition. But you are right it's inappropriate in this case because someone else used RROD first setting president for the acronym.
If I download something I like I buy it, if I don't like it I don't buy it. Last time I checked that's not being a thief. And I did switch to another O/S, I use Ubuntu.
I dislike it when people degrade protest for human rights by comparing it to a protest for fair value on entertainment.
A Protest has to be a large enough population relative to the scale of the organization of power and the local visibility in order to be effective. Some times it takes time for a protest to be notice and people are going to try and stop it, conceal it or vilify it. So others don't join in.
That is exactly the type of spin the *IAA and other industries are trying to put on piracy. It's misdirection, a technique used by magicians and politicians. Make people think something that's working isn't so others don't get involved because it seems like the protesters are shallow and uninformed. Piracy itself is a "problem" created in order to take stock holders focuses off the real problem, which is people are getting screwed and are saying, "I'm not going to pay for that because {you're nickle and dimeing me || you want my arms AND legs || you don't want me to use something I paid you for || you want complete control over everything I do if I use your product}". Causing a loss in profits. Piracy is a way out so the company can say, "It's not our fault, look how many hundreds of millions of billions of people would have bought our product if it wasn't being stolen"
Not buying the product is the protest and companies are taking notice and saying their losing billions because people who would have bought their product aren't. If I download something I like, I buy it. If I download something that's crap I don't. It's close minded people like you who think there is only ever one way to go about something that devalue the actions of anyone that disagree with your point of view that is enabling the corporations and government to get away with murder.
I thought they did a great job, although ultimately I agree with you. I don't really see a point in the hundreds of billions of dollars athletes consume in order to compete. Really the Olympics are just an event where every country stands around and measures their penis size. I really feel bad for the athletes that don't do well despite the funding they receive. And by "don't do well" I mean they could still kick the crap out of any normal person in their sport, but they might have had an off day or were 1st to start meaning the hill hadn't be softened up giving the competitors to follow an advantage.
Then again I don't see many people outside the Olympics competing in sports like Ski jumping or bobsleigh.
Maybe I was wrong and they're just ignoring the sign on my lawn that says no trespassing. On the plus side it gives me an excuse to yell, "Hay you kids!!! Get the hell off my lawn!!". Which oddly enough I wished I had an excuse to use when I was in high school. Huh, be careful what you wish for.
And no one in Canada who isn't from Toronto likes Toronto. They suck because they do everything right, while the rest of us have to sit around in our backwater provinces screaming at our MLA and city counselors to start doing what Toronto is doing. For once I'd like to see some other city in another province do something right... Ok well B.C. deserves some credit for the Olympics despite the weather.
I agree with piracy in some respects, I think it's a great tool to get what you want while protesting some aspects such as DRMs, aggressive pricing, inconvenience, etc...
To be truthful though, I don't see any reason for MS to supply updates to someone who didn't pay for their product. Sure let them use it at their own risk, but if they didn't buy it then they aren't paying for the security updates and bug fixes.
If Sony is actually removing the "install other" option and it's not an April fools joke. I'd speculate they're doing it because the slim doesn't have the option. They probably have a slue of slim owners who are complaining they don't have that option and it's probably easier for Sony to remove it from existing PS3s then to add it in to the slim which is much cheaper to make. I use Linux on my PS3, but I bet most of the population that owns a PS3 doesn't even know they have that choice. Most non-technical users don't even use Linux on their PC let alone on their gaming console.
The game companies aren't concerned with the games he bought after trying them. Their concerned with the games he found out were crap and didn't buy. If he hadn't pirated them first he would have spent his money before finding out the game wasn't any good, which would have been to late for him, but the game company would have made the money anyway.
Actually I think he was screwed over by both XBox and Sony. I'm assuming RROD is Red Ring Of Death. I don't know the details, but I know my sister's XBox ended up with the RRoD and it cost her almost the price of a new XBox to get it fixed. I have a PS3, a laptop and a Wii I use for gaming. Each provides a different utility. PS3 is for RPGs and platforms, laptop for RTS and MMORPG and the Wii for my wife and when we have friends over. My wife and I each also have a DS. The issue with getting just a Wii is the games aren't really for hardcore gamers. The games are fun, but they're the kind of games you can pick up and play for a few hours then get sick of them and move onto something else. At least in my experience, the Wii is mostly for my wife so I have tried not to take a huge interest in it. That would upset her because I'm better at just about everything else so on occasion when I play a game with her and she wins it makes her happy. Too bad I really wanted to get A boy and his Blob. I liked that game when I was younger.
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LOL, I was just thinking that I'm a kid at 30, this AC must be in his 90's. Hay old man would you like some stewed prunes to help dislodge that stick? I kind of wonder if you even know what these new fanged boxes that play moving pictures really are.
but noone is forcing you to upgrade? you have to choose between 'otherOS'(Linux) and games, just like we all do..
I can shoot you in your left knee cap or your right knee cap. Which would you like? I've giving you a choice.
I believe the slim also only comes with 16 MB of ram my fat has 256 MB. Sorry I can't find a reference to site at them moment.
If you choose not to update you can do whatever the hell you want with your PS3
Except use it to play newer games, new BluRay moves, Can't use the media server to watch movies I bought and downloaded and I can't access the PSN to retrieve any DLC I've paid for and need to re-download, sync my trophies, chat and the list goes on.
What I can still do with my PS3 if I don't downgrade it with the 3.21 patch is use Other OS, play PS1 and PS2 games (the fat has backward compatibility) and use the media server to play pirated movies and TV series.
So, the results are I won't be buy any new Sony products, I won't ever be buying any DLC, BluRay or downloadable movies again. This experience has taught me that at anytime any group can take stuff you've bought away so I'm not going to be wasting my money anymore. Sony has lost one paying customer and gained one proponent to piracy.
The PS3 was the only console not hacked for piracy. I bought my fat PS3 because of Linux support, Sony was underhanded and took that away. I think they deserve to lose out on some profits because of the disrespect they showed their paying customers. IMHO, no one hacked the PS3 because Sony was being semi-open and allowing people to use a piece of hardware the bought for something they wanted to use it for.
I won't be spending anymore money on Sony products or PS3 games in general, but I'm pissed off they took something I have already paid for away.
I sent e-mails and complained in forums and to the BBB. What I got back from Sony was a quote of Section 11 from the EULA saying they have the right to change the way their console, that's taking up space in my den, at anytime. The BBB sent me response saying "We're investigating".
Dispute what Sony did to screw me and all other PS3 Linux users over if you wanted to continue to hack the PS3 all you had to do was not update. So did what they do really effect someone trying to open the console for piracy? NO.
WOW, and AC off his meds.
I've read in the Sony forums the backup utility will save your saved games, but you lose your trophies if they aren't synced with the PSN.
I've only read about the proxy work around, to my knowledge it only works if you want to connect to the PSN and buy content there. The fact is if you own a PS3 and want to do anything except use it as a Linux box you will have to eventually update it. Sony will find a way to block the proxy and even if they don't, not having the update will mean you can't play new BluRay movies or use the media server to play legit DRM movies.
That being said, to my knowledge I can still play PS1, PS2 and all the PS3 games I currently own without updating the firmware. I was also able to use the media server to play a TV series from my laptop that my younger sister had on a USB drive, so I assume pirated movies and music work with the media server. I started downloading a few things to test that theory, which I hope to do when I get home.
I use Ubuntu on my PS3 for development and testing and have never had any problems with updates. Until this one, but the problem I'm having is that I don't want to / not going to do the update.
You forgot you'll no longer be able to play any new games, use the media server to play any legitimately bought DRMed movies or play any BluRay movies that require the new firmware.
Take your pick use it as a Linux box or everything else you bought it for except a Linux box.
I don't plan on doing the update until it's absolutely necessary. I'm also hoping they'll put the Other OS functionality back, but I'm not holding my breath. I won't be buying any new Sony products in the near future, even if they put the functionality back, but until l they put it back I won't even consider them.
Can't here in Canada either. Nothing over rules federal law. Sony is just depending on people being too lazy to do anything. Besides if anything ended up going to court it wouldn't be for years.
I'm not sure what the laws for this sort of thing are in Canada, but I'm sure Sony had their lawyers confirm it's ok to do because they're looking at quite the shit storm of angry customers that bought the PS3 for this functionality.
I'm an Oceanographic Data Technician; I develop software for GIS ship tracking, Metadata, external tool collection and data modeling. I bought the PS3 when it first came out for 2 reasons, backward compatibility with the PS and PS2 and being able to install Linux.
I use my PS3 for gaming, but I'm also heavy into development on it, although it's not my main development machine. I also use other Linux features. The other OS feature was what gave the PS3 an edge over the Xbox for me. After this incident, unless Sony re-enables the feature, I will never buy another Sony product. I will also not only not recommend the PS3 or PS4 or PS5 to anyone that ask me for tech advice, I will right out tell everyone to NOT BUY SONY PRODUCTS. You never know when they might decide to disable the feature to play images on to that nice big TV screen.
For anyone who's interested I wrote a letter to Sony Customer Support about this. Here is the letter I received as a response. Names were removed
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Response (xxxxxxxxxxxx) 03/30/2010 04:38 PM
Hello xxxxxxx,
Thank you for writing us with your concerns for the upcoming firmware release and it's features.
The Playstation®User agreement states that we may update the system which may change the operating system.
11. MAINTENANCE AND UPGRADES
From time to time, it may become necessary for SCEA to provide certain content to you to ensure that PlayStation(R)Network and content offered through Playstation®Network, your PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system, the PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) system or other SCEA-authorized hardware is functioning properly in accordance with SCEA guidelines. Some content may be provided automatically without notice when you sign into Playstation®Network. Such content may include automatic updates or upgrades which may change your current operating system, cause a loss of data or content or cause a loss of functionalities or utilities. Such upgrades or updates may be provided for system software for your PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system, the PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) system, or other SCEA-authorized hardware. Access or use to any system software is subject to terms and conditions of a separate end user license agreement found at http://www.us.playstation.com/termsofuse. You authorize SCEA to provide such content and agree that SCEA shall not be liable for any damages arising from provision of such content or maintenance services. It is recommended that you regularly back up any data located on the hard disk that is of a type that can be backed up.
If you'd like to read the full user agreement, you may do so at the link below:
Article Title: Terms of Use and User Agreement
Article Link: http://playstation.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1109
Regards,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Don't pronounce the 'h'. Stress the o sound in stead and off is said like ooff. It would kind of sound like
Tuck ooff eh! yo'oser
I'm Canadian and have lived in several states. Trust me on this one. Both countries are great and each has it's own distinct advantages, but Ottawa is not a trade up.
Canadian politicians are just a corrupt as US politicians. At least the American system has some semblance of checks and balances so no arm of the government supposedly has more power then any other. In Canada there is the Prim Minister (Who really has no more power then his party has seats in the house) and the house. There's also the senate, but their just appointed friends of the government of the time that get a free ride for the rest of their lives.
I was taught unimportant words in an acronym are lowercase indicating the word represented by the letter is a conjunction or preposition. But you are right it's inappropriate in this case because someone else used RROD first setting president for the acronym.
If I download something I like I buy it, if I don't like it I don't buy it. Last time I checked that's not being a thief. And I did switch to another O/S, I use Ubuntu.
I dislike it when people degrade protest for human rights by comparing it to a protest for fair value on entertainment.
A Protest has to be a large enough population relative to the scale of the organization of power and the local visibility in order to be effective. Some times it takes time for a protest to be notice and people are going to try and stop it, conceal it or vilify it. So others don't join in.
That is exactly the type of spin the *IAA and other industries are trying to put on piracy. It's misdirection, a technique used by magicians and politicians. Make people think something that's working isn't so others don't get involved because it seems like the protesters are shallow and uninformed. Piracy itself is a "problem" created in order to take stock holders focuses off the real problem, which is people are getting screwed and are saying, "I'm not going to pay for that because {you're nickle and dimeing me || you want my arms AND legs || you don't want me to use something I paid you for || you want complete control over everything I do if I use your product}". Causing a loss in profits. Piracy is a way out so the company can say, "It's not our fault, look how many hundreds of millions of billions of people would have bought our product if it wasn't being stolen"
Not buying the product is the protest and companies are taking notice and saying their losing billions because people who would have bought their product aren't. If I download something I like, I buy it. If I download something that's crap I don't. It's close minded people like you who think there is only ever one way to go about something that devalue the actions of anyone that disagree with your point of view that is enabling the corporations and government to get away with murder.
I thought they did a great job, although ultimately I agree with you. I don't really see a point in the hundreds of billions of dollars athletes consume in order to compete. Really the Olympics are just an event where every country stands around and measures their penis size. I really feel bad for the athletes that don't do well despite the funding they receive. And by "don't do well" I mean they could still kick the crap out of any normal person in their sport, but they might have had an off day or were 1st to start meaning the hill hadn't be softened up giving the competitors to follow an advantage.
Then again I don't see many people outside the Olympics competing in sports like Ski jumping or bobsleigh.
Kids today can read?
Maybe I was wrong and they're just ignoring the sign on my lawn that says no trespassing. On the plus side it gives me an excuse to yell, "Hay you kids!!! Get the hell off my lawn!!". Which oddly enough I wished I had an excuse to use when I was in high school. Huh, be careful what you wish for.
... You mean "Go Toronto!"...
And no one in Canada who isn't from Toronto likes Toronto. They suck because they do everything right, while the rest of us have to sit around in our backwater provinces screaming at our MLA and city counselors to start doing what Toronto is doing. For once I'd like to see some other city in another province do something right... Ok well B.C. deserves some credit for the Olympics despite the weather.
I agree with piracy in some respects, I think it's a great tool to get what you want while protesting some aspects such as DRMs, aggressive pricing, inconvenience, etc...
To be truthful though, I don't see any reason for MS to supply updates to someone who didn't pay for their product. Sure let them use it at their own risk, but if they didn't buy it then they aren't paying for the security updates and bug fixes.
If Sony is actually removing the "install other" option and it's not an April fools joke. I'd speculate they're doing it because the slim doesn't have the option. They probably have a slue of slim owners who are complaining they don't have that option and it's probably easier for Sony to remove it from existing PS3s then to add it in to the slim which is much cheaper to make. I use Linux on my PS3, but I bet most of the population that owns a PS3 doesn't even know they have that choice. Most non-technical users don't even use Linux on their PC let alone on their gaming console.
The game companies aren't concerned with the games he bought after trying them. Their concerned with the games he found out were crap and didn't buy. If he hadn't pirated them first he would have spent his money before finding out the game wasn't any good, which would have been to late for him, but the game company would have made the money anyway.
Actually I think he was screwed over by both XBox and Sony. I'm assuming RROD is Red Ring Of Death. I don't know the details, but I know my sister's XBox ended up with the RRoD and it cost her almost the price of a new XBox to get it fixed. I have a PS3, a laptop and a Wii I use for gaming. Each provides a different utility. PS3 is for RPGs and platforms, laptop for RTS and MMORPG and the Wii for my wife and when we have friends over. My wife and I each also have a DS. The issue with getting just a Wii is the games aren't really for hardcore gamers. The games are fun, but they're the kind of games you can pick up and play for a few hours then get sick of them and move onto something else. At least in my experience, the Wii is mostly for my wife so I have tried not to take a huge interest in it. That would upset her because I'm better at just about everything else so on occasion when I play a game with her and she wins it makes her happy. Too bad I really wanted to get A boy and his Blob. I liked that game when I was younger.