Please provide a link to describe exactly what has to be done to be a "violator"...
See here again you're not paying attention. There are plenty of vids showing reporters, or anybody with a camera being chased off the beaches. You simply have to cross an arbitrary line defined by British Petroleum with a camera (the defining condition, nothing to do with anybody's safety or interference), enforced by the US government. The CNN story has become somewhat viral, so it's very easy to find. The war correspondents don't apply. Much of the action there is classified. Any secrecy on the spill is absolutely unacceptable. And if I were that CNN reporter, I would be calling on all my viewers to call/write their reps and demand complete transparency... The bosses probably wouldn't allow that though. Big business.. brother in arms
When you take a job, the person agrees to pay you. That makes it his obligation to do so. Copyright is a government granted privilege, and society has "agreed" to a limited copyright, not to extended copyright worked out by corrupted politicians and big business. The system is broke due to a complacent public, so fuck 'em. People can give up their own freedoms all they want. Just stay away from mine. If I have to perform every time I need a dollar, so does everybody else. No more special treatment.
The screwdriver and book stories are way off base as they involve the only "copy". If you borrow either, then I don't have them. If you copy either and leave me the original, it's all good. We both have what we need. Same old story we've heard before. They are not applicable to the issue.
Jeeze! Do you watch the news at all? The government stated that there will be $40,000 fines and possible felony charges to "violators". They are enforcing the blackout with police and private security, and the coast guard. Yes, you do sound like you're defending the crooks(BP) here. They should not be calling the shots. Doesn't really matter. Nobody gives a shit. So there they are, covering up as best they can. You are defending the indefensible.
BP doesn't enforce the blackout, the government does.
Upon BP's request... All those campaign "contributions" are paying off very nicely. The corruption on display here goes far beyond the pale. They're making Cheney look like a saint.
You didn't read the post, did you? I said keep the same crew and augment them with more people. Pay them from seized funds. Maybe you should watch some of the CNN footage to see how BP is keeping them away. And now the coast guard has stepped in with threats of felony charges.. BP is trying to cover up to reduce liability, and the company bosses, who are only retarding the cleanup effort, by keeping the oil out of sight instead of letting it surface to be skimmed amongst other things, need to be questioned, under oath. All documents need to be subpoenaed. What is likely to happen is that BP will declare bankruptcy, and the taxpayers will cover all the costs, and evidence will be destroyed. We let these people become too big to punish effectively. But we can and should go after the decision makers personally, and nail them to the wall.
Sorry, we are handling BP with kid gloves when this is one time an iron fist is called for. I don't know where you see where I called for the military to come in, but we could use them if BP resists our efforts, which they are doing now. This is a crime, and the perpetrators will get away
Again, you are believing that BP is actually trying to clean it up. They aren't. We can keep the present crew of workers and engineers, with big bonuses if they stop the leak quickly. Give them some incentive. And what was supposed to be done is seize BP assets to pay for it all. Ceding all authority to BP as is being done is a gross error in judgment, if not a criminal act of corruption. And we don't know what other experts have already been chased away. There's virtual news blackout on the incident, with everything coming from BP press releases. The wrong people are in charge. That is perfectly clear. And we have a government where appeasement is the order of the day. It's all very sickening as we timidly stand by, believing everything lie after lie.
You don't seem to understand. BP is spending much more trying to hide the oil, not actually clean it up. It would be wise to move the corporate pinheads out of the picture (and possible into prison for their criminal neglect) so we can at least perform a legitimate inspection of the damage being done.
Our what? We gave that up years ago as we timidly allow the government lead us into quagmire after quagmire and kowtow to corporate demands at the drop of a hat.
As an Electrical Engineer by training and trade, one of the first things I learned is that surpassing specifications in digital systems (beyond the safety margin) gains nothing.
As the dumb mechanic who has to constantly repair barely serviceable components when they're new, I beg to differ. Going beyond the minimums makes the system more robust and reliable as time and corrosion set in. Failure to do so just means the bean counters have taken over. It's no fun replacing expensive equipment only to find out the cable/connector has turned to dust.
We have to purge ourselves also, and stop buying every little piece of trash being pushed, use the plastic only when really needed, and don't run up a balance.. Clear all our personal debts. That's the real bear trap we stepped into. Buy locally made goods when possible. Get rid of the car... Boot out the bible thumpers. And of course, vote conscientiously. Ignore the bling. So many things where we can show our power regardless what the government does. I still consider that our own apathy is the single biggest thing we have to deal with. And the government is a reflection of this. In fact we are a positive feedback loop at this time. You leave it unsupervised, and this is the result.
then what can stand between us and dominance by corporations?
Us... There is only us.. and we are the ones who give corporations their power.
”We make the world we live in and shape our own environment.... The golden opportunity you are seeking is in yourself. It is not in your environment; it is not in luck or chance, or the help of others; it is in yourself alone." – Orison Swett Marden
Just look at the people who they have representing them. And the market! Jeeze! How much more crap can we cram onto the shelves? The "crowd" may consist of humans, but it acts on pure animal instinct.
Any interrogator will tell you that torture produces bad information.
In this guy's case, all they have to do is crank up the voltage until he coughs up the password.. Or they can politicize the issue, as is done in the states, and actually get a significant part of the population to believe that torture is ok as it becomes routine. In a back-asswards way, that's what the authorities are calling for as they admit "defeat" here.
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Please provide a link to describe exactly what has to be done to be a "violator"...
See here again you're not paying attention. There are plenty of vids showing reporters, or anybody with a camera being chased off the beaches. You simply have to cross an arbitrary line defined by British Petroleum with a camera (the defining condition, nothing to do with anybody's safety or interference), enforced by the US government. The CNN story has become somewhat viral, so it's very easy to find. The war correspondents don't apply. Much of the action there is classified. Any secrecy on the spill is absolutely unacceptable. And if I were that CNN reporter, I would be calling on all my viewers to call/write their reps and demand complete transparency... The bosses probably wouldn't allow that though. Big business.. brother in arms
When you take a job, the person agrees to pay you. That makes it his obligation to do so. Copyright is a government granted privilege, and society has "agreed" to a limited copyright, not to extended copyright worked out by corrupted politicians and big business. The system is broke due to a complacent public, so fuck 'em. People can give up their own freedoms all they want. Just stay away from mine. If I have to perform every time I need a dollar, so does everybody else. No more special treatment.
The screwdriver and book stories are way off base as they involve the only "copy". If you borrow either, then I don't have them. If you copy either and leave me the original, it's all good. We both have what we need. Same old story we've heard before. They are not applicable to the issue.
It's share. And we have that right, should we decide to enforce it. Or we can placidly give it up, like so many of our other rights.
Jeeze! Do you watch the news at all? The government stated that there will be $40,000 fines and possible felony charges to "violators". They are enforcing the blackout with police and private security, and the coast guard. Yes, you do sound like you're defending the crooks(BP) here. They should not be calling the shots. Doesn't really matter. Nobody gives a shit. So there they are, covering up as best they can. You are defending the indefensible.
...why are you blaming us for what BP did in the Gulf of Mexico?
Because you let them... despite their well documented lousy safety record
BP doesn't enforce the blackout, the government does.
Upon BP's request... All those campaign "contributions" are paying off very nicely. The corruption on display here goes far beyond the pale. They're making Cheney look like a saint.
Troll? BP defenders on the attack! Somebody gave the governor of Mississippi mod points
You didn't read the post, did you? I said keep the same crew and augment them with more people. Pay them from seized funds. Maybe you should watch some of the CNN footage to see how BP is keeping them away. And now the coast guard has stepped in with threats of felony charges.. BP is trying to cover up to reduce liability, and the company bosses, who are only retarding the cleanup effort, by keeping the oil out of sight instead of letting it surface to be skimmed amongst other things, need to be questioned, under oath. All documents need to be subpoenaed. What is likely to happen is that BP will declare bankruptcy, and the taxpayers will cover all the costs, and evidence will be destroyed. We let these people become too big to punish effectively. But we can and should go after the decision makers personally, and nail them to the wall.
Sorry, we are handling BP with kid gloves when this is one time an iron fist is called for. I don't know where you see where I called for the military to come in, but we could use them if BP resists our efforts, which they are doing now. This is a crime, and the perpetrators will get away
Again, you are believing that BP is actually trying to clean it up. They aren't. We can keep the present crew of workers and engineers, with big bonuses if they stop the leak quickly. Give them some incentive. And what was supposed to be done is seize BP assets to pay for it all. Ceding all authority to BP as is being done is a gross error in judgment, if not a criminal act of corruption. And we don't know what other experts have already been chased away. There's virtual news blackout on the incident, with everything coming from BP press releases. The wrong people are in charge. That is perfectly clear. And we have a government where appeasement is the order of the day. It's all very sickening as we timidly stand by, believing everything lie after lie.
You don't seem to understand. BP is spending much more trying to hide the oil, not actually clean it up. It would be wise to move the corporate pinheads out of the picture (and possible into prison for their criminal neglect) so we can at least perform a legitimate inspection of the damage being done.
The American people demand more information and a live feed!
People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage.
-- John Kenneth Galbraith
It's called a "monkey trap".
...our freedom and unity.
Our what? We gave that up years ago as we timidly allow the government lead us into quagmire after quagmire and kowtow to corporate demands at the drop of a hat.
As an Electrical Engineer by training and trade, one of the first things I learned is that surpassing specifications in digital systems (beyond the safety margin) gains nothing.
As the dumb mechanic who has to constantly repair barely serviceable components when they're new, I beg to differ. Going beyond the minimums makes the system more robust and reliable as time and corrosion set in. Failure to do so just means the bean counters have taken over. It's no fun replacing expensive equipment only to find out the cable/connector has turned to dust.
Guess I let loose another lead balloon... It wasn't meant as anything serious
They didn't renew their SSL certificate.
I hear those things aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
We have to purge ourselves also, and stop buying every little piece of trash being pushed, use the plastic only when really needed, and don't run up a balance.. Clear all our personal debts. That's the real bear trap we stepped into. Buy locally made goods when possible. Get rid of the car... Boot out the bible thumpers. And of course, vote conscientiously. Ignore the bling. So many things where we can show our power regardless what the government does. I still consider that our own apathy is the single biggest thing we have to deal with. And the government is a reflection of this. In fact we are a positive feedback loop at this time. You leave it unsupervised, and this is the result.
Well, we just have to make our government regulate them properly. It still comes down to us... Unless you think only a dictator or monarch can do it.
Or sabotageeee?
then what can stand between us and dominance by corporations?
Us... There is only us.. and we are the ones who give corporations their power.
”We make the world we live in and shape our own environment.... The golden opportunity you are seeking is in yourself. It is not in your environment; it is not in luck or chance, or the help of others; it is in yourself alone."
– Orison Swett Marden
What have you tried to purchase / do that required ID?
Beer
Anybody in power in France have a financial interest in not allowing this mode of communication?
Yes, the service providers, which are easy for the government to control. This is a significant threat to that.
Just look at the people who they have representing them. And the market! Jeeze! How much more crap can we cram onto the shelves? The "crowd" may consist of humans, but it acts on pure animal instinct.
Any interrogator will tell you that torture produces bad information.
In this guy's case, all they have to do is crank up the voltage until he coughs up the password.. Or they can politicize the issue, as is done in the states, and actually get a significant part of the population to believe that torture is ok as it becomes routine. In a back-asswards way, that's what the authorities are calling for as they admit "defeat" here.
Google is one of those investors in Baidu? Through a trust of course to hide it. They won't lose a thing..