Music has some mathematical component, but also a very big cultural component. I think that this system is no more than a joke. How can it, for example take in consideration "sense of humour"? Many hit songs use it. Or the hype of the moment, things like a specific revival going on...
I would like to see the results of this when applied to the biggest music classics, from Muddy Waters to Gershwin to the Beatles, etc...
Anyway, taking in consideration what is going on in TV and radio, are you use that the labels aren't ALREADY using a program like this.
... not an essay. I don't know if there's a complete transcript from the speech, but I don't have access to it. As Glynn says in the mail "...I guess the notes [that I've included below] don't really do this talk justice...". So we don't have to look for completeness here. Just pick up the idea, that's what I tried to do.
And yes, I've been at a university (CompSci) and seen a lot of morons teaching there. But few had some "international recognition". They were mostly known around the campus for that, being morons.
And as an end I'll address the "Computer industry doesn't know where it's going" thing. I see as obvious that any industry knows nothing, but IT industry is always selling us "visions" and "evangelizing" us with the future. Anyone who has been at a Java Developers Meeting (just to name one) can say that. Sun, MS, Oracle, IBM will swear they know where they're going.
Best Regards
Daniel
PS: Sorry for my bad english, but obviously it's not my mother language.
I support almost all what MH says. I think that you should make an "effort" to understand what he is trying to say, not an "effort" to try to "destroy" his opinions. Just a matter of attitude.
Fallacy 1: Computing is easy. Book sellers try to sell books by any means. And one of them is to offer imposible things. "Teach Yourself C++ in 14 Easy Lessons", is a lie. Maybe "Small Introduction to C++ in 14 Easy Lessons". They say computing is easy, and it's not. But the books sell.
Fallacy 2: Computers Allow People to Do things They Could Not Do Otherwise. I think MH tries to say that software "sometimes" seems to promise that you will be able to write a good text without writing skills throu the use of Word X. They try hard (spell correction, style "advisors", etc) but the fact is that you "need" writing skills (not owning a press, you always can take your manuscript to a professional one).
Fallacy 3: Computers Increase Productivity. Sometimes increase "flashiness" more than productivity. Compare a notebook/blackboard presentation to a PPT one, which takes more time to prepare...?
Fallacy 4: Programs Help Their Users. Sometimes are more a hassle than a help...
Fallacy 5: If It's Graphical, It's Easy. You named it. A "well done" GUI is easy. He only tries to destroy the myth "Any GUI == EASY".
Fallacy 6: Computers are Getting Faster. Sure the experience is not getting faster. Flashy animated menus and things like that keeps demanding more computing power. You know what, many software vendors (M$, for example) know that it is easier to sell you a new program if you also buy a new computer, so...
Well, I won't continue because I have better things to do. Just hope you get my idea. I don't think that MH is and "idiot", and would NEVER dare to call that to a so respected person, with so much experience and a large track record.
Let's hope that we won't discover any Einstein writing against OS (just in case it was possible in time). Many people here would surely flame against "relativity theory".
a) We want apps. There are no substitutes for many things. Apps aren't done if there isn't a fully adopted OS.
b) Right now Linux has assumed some responsability as Microsoft alternative, almost eliminating things like OS/2, etc. Not fully developing Linux as a product would give them the desktop forever.
This is the tipical attitude everyone is seeming to follow. Documentation is VERY important in the real world and could definitely keep some thing from being adopted.
I'd recommend everyone the reading of Brooks' The Mythical Man Month to recognize:
a) What's a PRODUCT and the costs of reaching to that state when compared to just making it to work.
b) The importance of documentation.
Maybe there should be some discussion in the Linux world to decide if we want to get to that point and, consecuently get general acceptancy.
Regards
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Music has some mathematical component, but also a very big cultural component. I think that this system is no more than a joke. How can it, for example take in consideration "sense of humour"? Many hit songs use it. Or the hype of the moment, things like a specific revival going on...
I would like to see the results of this when applied to the biggest music classics, from Muddy Waters to Gershwin to the Beatles, etc...
Anyway, taking in consideration what is going on in TV and radio, are you use that the labels aren't ALREADY using a program like this.
1984 is here, really...
ditto
... not an essay. I don't know if there's a complete transcript from the speech, but I don't have access to it. As Glynn says in the mail "...I guess the notes [that I've included below] don't really do this talk justice...". So we don't have to look for completeness here. Just pick up the idea, that's what I tried to do.
And yes, I've been at a university (CompSci) and seen a lot of morons teaching there. But few had some "international recognition". They were mostly known around the campus for that, being morons.
And as an end I'll address the "Computer industry doesn't know where it's going" thing. I see as obvious that any industry knows nothing, but IT industry is always selling us "visions" and "evangelizing" us with the future. Anyone who has been at a Java Developers Meeting (just to name one) can say that. Sun, MS, Oracle, IBM will swear they know where they're going.
Best Regards
Daniel
PS: Sorry for my bad english, but obviously it's not my mother language.
I support almost all what MH says. I think that you should make an "effort" to understand what he is trying to say, not an "effort" to try to "destroy" his opinions. Just a matter of attitude.
Fallacy 1: Computing is easy. Book sellers try to sell books by any means. And one of them is to offer imposible things. "Teach Yourself C++ in 14 Easy Lessons", is a lie. Maybe "Small Introduction to C++ in 14 Easy Lessons". They say computing is easy, and it's not. But the books sell.
Fallacy 2: Computers Allow People to Do things They Could Not Do Otherwise. I think MH tries to say that software "sometimes" seems to promise that you will be able to write a good text without writing skills throu the use of Word X. They try hard (spell correction, style "advisors", etc) but the fact is that you "need" writing skills (not owning a press, you always can take your manuscript to a professional one).
Fallacy 3: Computers Increase Productivity. Sometimes increase "flashiness" more than productivity. Compare a notebook/blackboard presentation to a PPT one, which takes more time to prepare...?
Fallacy 4: Programs Help Their Users. Sometimes are more a hassle than a help...
Fallacy 5: If It's Graphical, It's Easy. You named it. A "well done" GUI is easy. He only tries to destroy the myth "Any GUI == EASY".
Fallacy 6: Computers are Getting Faster. Sure the experience is not getting faster. Flashy animated menus and things like that keeps demanding more computing power. You know what, many software vendors (M$, for example) know that it is easier to sell you a new program if you also buy a new computer, so...
Well, I won't continue because I have better things to do. Just hope you get my idea. I don't think that MH is and "idiot", and would NEVER dare to call that to a so respected person, with so much experience and a large track record.
Let's hope that we won't discover any Einstein writing against OS (just in case it was possible in time). Many people here would surely flame against "relativity theory".
Best Regards
Daniel
PS: Please let's think about all this.
I had been asking myself why this wasn't discussed here and if nobody submitted such story.
I think that this is MUCH more important for Open Source than many other things that are discussed
Regards
And Europe?
A consistent policy is a solution. If you can just cross the border and buy a gun....
a) We want apps. There are no substitutes for many things. Apps aren't done if there isn't a fully adopted OS.
b) Right now Linux has assumed some responsability as Microsoft alternative, almost eliminating things like OS/2, etc. Not fully developing Linux as a product would give them the desktop forever.
Now if we can accept this...
Regards
This is the tipical attitude everyone is seeming to follow. Documentation is VERY important in the real world and could definitely keep some thing from being adopted. I'd recommend everyone the reading of Brooks' The Mythical Man Month to recognize: a) What's a PRODUCT and the costs of reaching to that state when compared to just making it to work. b) The importance of documentation. Maybe there should be some discussion in the Linux world to decide if we want to get to that point and, consecuently get general acceptancy. Regards