Ignoring all other points... Is homosexuality based in thought or genetics? The problem is that mental health is based on normal behavior, dictated purely by statistics. Assuming a free environment where homosexuality is accepted without prejudice, what percentage is there for homosexuals? 5%? Good, bad or indifferent, it would still stand to be considered a "mental" illness if not genetic.
Conversely, if, as I heard recently on TV (not accepting it as fact, instead just an illustration) that 60% of adults show signs of depression. Shouldn't we treat the 40% for excessive happiness.
How is the tyranny of the majority good? How was Gore vs Bush good as our only choices? How would it have been better if california and New York decided the whole election for the rest of us?
When we said offer we really meant demand. Further more, when we said don't let Celine go abroad, we meant death penalty. And lastly, we forgot the "or else". Kindly reconsider this mutually beneficial token of our affection.
This has to be the most informative duhh I've ever heard of. It's almost like they want you to search from their service. allright, off to go slap my forhead now.
uhh sorry, I was thinking flash for some reason. As far as SVG mozilla has SVG built in to mozilla, though it is still a work in progress. I would expect the support to finish "real soon now" and be included in all installs of mozilla.
Visual in only the loosest sense of the term. The web is designed around text that is marked up to show relationship. While it has become the API of choice for thin-client access, it is due to the underlying fact that the simple API lends itself to so many other use cases that it can't be ignored.
Macromedia flash doesn't map to this framework well, nor was it meant to. The real benefit of flash exists outside of the web's core competence, namely treating multimedia as a seperate entity that can't be marked up meaningfully in text. SVG keeps these both in mind, but still lacks the polish of years of development.
Other posters have already described its drawbacks, but the strongest I see is that flash doesn't concede that it may not be authoritative on how a user _needs_ to interact with the web (think accessability)
But it does seem to be a policy to have the server do inline style that won't render well in anything other than IE. I hardly think it is a stretch to think posting anonmously would be bad as an employee of microsoft, though the content hardly seems to necesitate it.
Not to be pedantic, but if it requires X it fails the remote administration test. I have more headless linux boxes then otherwise. The overhead of X causes potential instability not to mention a WM on top of it. Any great linux config tool should keep in mind that headless is as useful as the alternative.
Also, I just can't see, if I understand your metaphor correctly, how Microsoft has made it inconvenient to download and install another browser on your computer.
while the relative difficulty is (as you state) vast, The purpose is to of the comparison is to illustrate how a monopoly uses logistical issues to further its goals. In the case of oil refining, it is impossible to sell your oil to anyone if they won't buy due to contracts with "the" oil company, regardless of anyone other issues involved. IE was the same way. I can produce my own browser but it can never replace IE in the windows OS because it has been made that _all_ microsoft products integrate to it. So if I want to expose my web service meaningfully I have to build it to target IE.
In my view privacy control and security are not necessarily the same thing. The former has more to do with blocking cookies on a per site basis, blocking ads, and other more or less paranoid stuff.
Actually, this is what is being exploited. IE needed to add a "Local" privacy mode since they designed it to be core to the GUI. I can't remove IE from this role in a meaningful way so no matter how hard I try I still am vulnerable. Worse is by default security precautions are non-existant, and disabling breaks the same sites that are broken by other browsers.
Security, for Joe Average, has more to do with preventing your computer from being hijacked, broken into or attacked by viruses.
Which is why restricive sensible defaults are a must. Which is why it is not only a poor design decision to intergrate it into the base OS, but also malicious. Which is why "spambot: search & destroy" exists.
Security is holistic and requires seperation of concerns. Microsoft has working for them huge amounts of brilliant engineers. Security can't be a foreign concept to that _many_ brilliant individuals, so there must be another reason why the made the design tradeoff of integration, ease of use and MS only extensibility to security. I leave this as an exercise to reader.
Since in this scenario we cannot trust "Joe User" to protect himself, it is reasonable to assume that I, as their provider, must do it for them or force them to learn how. If I don't, he surely won't. This is negligence on my part as I know this but I choose to ignore the potential mischief I have allowed by design.
I do think you have hit the issue on the head, but the reverse of what you think is true of the security situation is actually the case. There is virtually no security controls in Firefox that is meaningful to most users. They built around the fact that they can't trust me to configure it to be secure from looser restrictions, nor can they trust content providers to "do the right thing." Microsoft has given you a zone system, with layers that interact and expects you to configure it so you can avoid those who are malicious.
It feels to me like you're contradicting yourself. You say that people _are_ capable of downloading browsers (and it's elitist to think otherwise), and on the other hand you say that Microsoft has stifled innovation and competition.
One thing has nothing to do with the other, so there is no conflict. It's the same thing as saying, "people are capable of refining gasoline, but standard oil is fixing prices?" The fact that people are indeed capable of doing such a thing does not mean that someone hasn't made it inconvenient to do so.
If the other browsers are so much better, and most people are capable of downloading, choosing and make informed choices, why aren't Firefox or Opera (or whatever) the dominant browser?
I think we are seeing an uptrend of that since it has become inconvenient to us IE. It is more difficult to secure, has well known vulnerabilities that have not been fixed. They can live without new features but they can't live without secure connectivity to my bank.
What differentiates the other browsers from Explorer is tabbed browsing, (which isn't all that necessary if you're used to the old way of browsing), gestures (I don't know anyone who uses them) and fine grained privacy control. But isn't all this stuff is for nerds, and therefore only stuff that matters for nerds?
Security affects everyone universally. In fact it affects the uninformed disproportionately since they have very little understanding of the scope of the problem. When my local news stations all had a segment on _not_ using IE due to it's poor security, that awareness gets raised. All of a sudden it has become worth the effort. Any other feature doesn't matter when you don't know it's there.
The truth may be that Explorer is good enough -- not only for Microsoft, but also for the vast majority of its users.
silly users, Security is for nerds. Now what was your password again?
This would indicate to me that if Microsoft didn't ship with IE as "The Internet" (tm), the vast majority of mothers would never even have the opportunity to use the internet.
That wasn't true in the past when Netscape had dominance in usage. Many mothers _did_ have to download or picked from install media which one they used. I think your style of dismissing people as incapable of being able to understand "the web" as an idea is arrogant and elitist.
The reason that IE is the predominant browser on the web is due to the fact that Microsoft leveraged their operating system to foist it as the default. This wouldn't have been bad if they were a vendor among many selling gui systems, but they took care of that by leveraging their office suite to remove competition over the click and point interface. (Apple does not compete in exactly the same market, so the fact that they have office isn't relevant, nor did it happen when the competition was actually in place.)
They had in the process put themselves in a monopoly position with exclusionary tactics, to the point that the government decided to label them as such. Which in a bizarre twist of fate, actually concerns Microsoft's chiefs so much that they are fearing that they can't meaningfully grow.
Maybe this isn't quite as bad for everyone as most of us think...
It's actually much worse. Microsoft has stiffled innovation and competition in the prefered developement space, namely web. Their virtual dropping of their IE product has forced people to work around the failed product, regardless of what the rest of the commercial world thinks.
Oddly enough a recent nova discussed this as a sidenote about magnetic pole reversals of the earth. The discussed that eventually the earths magnetic field would disappear as a result of the process, which would last 300 years. During this we would have a constant, global aurora.
They discussed to a good length that the failure of magnetosphere of mars had stripped it of its atmosphere and water.
Since I got rid of cable I have honestly rediscovered why Public broadcasting is great, as I would have never found this degree of depth on discovery channel.
Good book. It is short and to the point. All of the ideas are ones you probably "know" just don't do. It was a proper kick in the ass to save that I wanted to do for so long but failed to do. More people need to understand that your lifestyle can adapt to changes in your budget in both directions, and to save regardless.
Gaim does indeed have a windows port. Gtk+ has a native windows port which pretty much allows for a well integrated experience. Honestly, I got used to running OO + mozilla + gimp on windows stations I felt I needed to use while I went through my gradual move to a linux desktop environment.
Having said that, evolution will not be cross-platform for quite some time, as it requires gnome libraries which won't be ported anytime soon. Evolution, Abiword and Gnumeric require libgnome. Also Nautilus in case you want to drag that monstrosity anywhere.
You should look at thunderbird. I have been forced into using it because of groupwise issues. I have also found that I really like it.
No, It is based on monopoly and physical distribution. just stop and think about what "copyright" means? The price set for CD's and DVD's has nothing to do with the "value" of the entertainment. It has more to do with the fact that there is only one distributer, who is not the creator of the work. What DRM really does is lock out competition of individual creators poring product into the market which now has nearly zero cost for duplication. They are not fighting the end user, their fighting to keep the keys to distribution. Piracy is a red herring.
No amount of handwaving, huffing, puffing or other assorted nonsense that other countries think should change US policy, will actually result in that. The UN is a non-functioning artifact of the cold war. It has _No_ legitmacy or ability to make decisions. What you think "the UN thinks" has more to do with what country your from than any actual commitment to policy.
The US as a state is the premier citizen of the international community. EU and China may rival it someday but it's a "get your shit together" situation. The EU has largely proven to be as ineffectual as it's constiuent nations get UN type paralysis.
I would actually be glad to have to rival nations to the US so the nationallity could innovate, but we all stagnate due to lack of competition.
They're rich enough to spend the first quarter of their earnings living, the second quarter on taxes, and save/invest the rest.
At what point in that sentence am I supposed to see thay the wealthy are not bankrolling the economy. Since when is saving and investing a BAD thing. I mean I don't like being non-super rich either, But these people won't be putting there money in duffle bags under there mattres. What you should really be worring about is the people not doing _exactly_ what you said is bad. Getting in deep dept and going bankrupt is a major drain on our economy.
Or better yet, check out Novell's ZenWorks for Desktops. It handles both imaging and application/patch deployment. I work for A holding company which owns a general contractor. We service over 20 locations with two helpdesk individuals. These guys handle over 400 PC's and keep them patched and reimaged. We have only been struck twice with virii (once was due people bypassing sp4 and another was on a jobsite using kazaa, both situations are now permanently fixed).
Having seen how well it scales I have to say I'm a true believer.
Speak for yourself. I participate almost not at all in circles, but point prove why my orginization, family, freinds would benefit from open source. I don't think you have to look very far to understand the disaster that is windows. The very act of showing the alternative and explaining it's benefits is all you need to do.
You don't need to cheerleader. Just explain. Come on, what is so difficult about this?
As a consumer your fscked. As corporate support you have leverage especially when you say... "My thinkpads just work!" In the end as a home buyer your better off just wishfully thinking that you will not get screwed. (unless you work for a huge corporate buyer then the manager trick works.)
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Ignoring all other points... Is homosexuality based in thought or genetics? The problem is that mental health is based on normal behavior, dictated purely by statistics. Assuming a free environment where homosexuality is accepted without prejudice, what percentage is there for homosexuals? 5%? Good, bad or indifferent, it would still stand to be considered a "mental" illness if not genetic.
Conversely, if, as I heard recently on TV (not accepting it as fact, instead just an illustration) that 60% of adults show signs of depression. Shouldn't we treat the 40% for excessive happiness.
How is the tyranny of the majority good? How was Gore vs Bush good as our only choices? How would it have been better if california and New York decided the whole election for the rest of us?
OK, aproach this from a pragmatic aproach.
one excellent report generator:
200,000 USD per year with benefits
Users requesting expected in a 1000 person org (liberal for argument):
50
average requests by users (liberal for argument):
50
Average amount of time (max amount as given by you):
10
that means that a sql expert is idle most his year and costs only:
43,000 a year for his services as a report generator.
now your solution...
50 users
1600 a seat
80,000 for this?
this ignores current and ongoing training, lack of choices of backends and customization. Where is your value?
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...of course, the trick is to remember them when Google is down!
Way to read before replying.
When we said offer we really meant demand. Further more, when we said don't let Celine go abroad, we meant death penalty. And lastly, we forgot the "or else". Kindly reconsider this mutually beneficial token of our affection.
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Middle America
This has to be the most informative duhh I've ever heard of. It's almost like they want you to search from their service. allright, off to go slap my forhead now.
uhh sorry, I was thinking flash for some reason. As far as SVG mozilla has SVG built in to mozilla, though it is still a work in progress. I would expect the support to finish "real soon now" and be included in all installs of mozilla.
They don't have a right to re-distribute the plugin, so they can't include it.
The web is a visual medium.
Visual in only the loosest sense of the term. The web is designed around text that is marked up to show relationship. While it has become the API of choice for thin-client access, it is due to the underlying fact that the simple API lends itself to so many other use cases that it can't be ignored.
Macromedia flash doesn't map to this framework well, nor was it meant to. The real benefit of flash exists outside of the web's core competence, namely treating multimedia as a seperate entity that can't be marked up meaningfully in text. SVG keeps these both in mind, but still lacks the polish of years of development.
Other posters have already described its drawbacks, but the strongest I see is that flash doesn't concede that it may not be authoritative on how a user _needs_ to interact with the web (think accessability)
But it does seem to be a policy to have the server do inline style that won't render well in anything other than IE. I hardly think it is a stretch to think posting anonmously would be bad as an employee of microsoft, though the content hardly seems to necesitate it.
Not to be pedantic, but if it requires X it fails the remote administration test. I have more headless linux boxes then otherwise. The overhead of X causes potential instability not to mention a WM on top of it. Any great linux config tool should keep in mind that headless is as useful as the alternative.
Also, I just can't see, if I understand your metaphor correctly, how Microsoft has made it inconvenient to download and install another browser on your computer.
while the relative difficulty is (as you state) vast, The purpose is to of the comparison is to illustrate how a monopoly uses logistical issues to further its goals. In the case of oil refining, it is impossible to sell your oil to anyone if they won't buy due to contracts with "the" oil company, regardless of anyone other issues involved. IE was the same way. I can produce my own browser but it can never replace IE in the windows OS because it has been made that _all_ microsoft products integrate to it. So if I want to expose my web service meaningfully I have to build it to target IE.
In my view privacy control and security are not necessarily the same thing. The former has more to do with blocking cookies on a per site basis, blocking ads, and other more or less paranoid stuff.
Actually, this is what is being exploited. IE needed to add a "Local" privacy mode since they designed it to be core to the GUI. I can't remove IE from this role in a meaningful way so no matter how hard I try I still am vulnerable. Worse is by default security precautions are non-existant, and disabling breaks the same sites that are broken by other browsers.
Security, for Joe Average, has more to do with preventing your computer from being hijacked, broken into or attacked by viruses.
Which is why restricive sensible defaults are a must. Which is why it is not only a poor design decision to intergrate it into the base OS, but also malicious. Which is why "spambot: search & destroy" exists.
Security is holistic and requires seperation of concerns. Microsoft has working for them huge amounts of brilliant engineers. Security can't be a foreign concept to that _many_ brilliant individuals, so there must be another reason why the made the design tradeoff of integration, ease of use and MS only extensibility to security. I leave this as an exercise to reader.
Since in this scenario we cannot trust "Joe User" to protect himself, it is reasonable to assume that I, as their provider, must do it for them or force them to learn how. If I don't, he surely won't. This is negligence on my part as I know this but I choose to ignore the potential mischief I have allowed by design.
I do think you have hit the issue on the head, but the reverse of what you think is true of the security situation is actually the case. There is virtually no security controls in Firefox that is meaningful to most users. They built around the fact that they can't trust me to configure it to be secure from looser restrictions, nor can they trust content providers to "do the right thing." Microsoft has given you a zone system, with layers that interact and expects you to configure it so you can avoid those who are malicious.
It feels to me like you're contradicting yourself. You say that people _are_ capable of downloading browsers (and it's elitist to think otherwise), and on the other hand you say that Microsoft has stifled innovation and competition.
One thing has nothing to do with the other, so there is no conflict. It's the same thing as saying, "people are capable of refining gasoline, but standard oil is fixing prices?" The fact that people are indeed capable of doing such a thing does not mean that someone hasn't made it inconvenient to do so.
If the other browsers are so much better, and most people are capable of downloading, choosing and make informed choices, why aren't Firefox or Opera (or whatever) the dominant browser?
I think we are seeing an uptrend of that since it has become inconvenient to us IE. It is more difficult to secure, has well known vulnerabilities that have not been fixed. They can live without new features but they can't live without secure connectivity to my bank.
What differentiates the other browsers from Explorer is tabbed browsing, (which isn't all that necessary if you're used to the old way of browsing), gestures (I don't know anyone who uses them) and fine grained privacy control. But isn't all this stuff is for nerds, and therefore only stuff that matters for nerds?
Security affects everyone universally. In fact it affects the uninformed disproportionately since they have very little understanding of the scope of the problem. When my local news stations all had a segment on _not_ using IE due to it's poor security, that awareness gets raised. All of a sudden it has become worth the effort. Any other feature doesn't matter when you don't know it's there.
The truth may be that Explorer is good enough -- not only for Microsoft, but also for the vast majority of its users.
silly users, Security is for nerds. Now what was your password again?
This would indicate to me that if Microsoft didn't ship with IE as "The Internet" (tm), the vast majority of mothers would never even have the opportunity to use the internet.
That wasn't true in the past when Netscape had dominance in usage. Many mothers _did_ have to download or picked from install media which one they used. I think your style of dismissing people as incapable of being able to understand "the web" as an idea is arrogant and elitist.
The reason that IE is the predominant browser on the web is due to the fact that Microsoft leveraged their operating system to foist it as the default. This wouldn't have been bad if they were a vendor among many selling gui systems, but they took care of that by leveraging their office suite to remove competition over the click and point interface. (Apple does not compete in exactly the same market, so the fact that they have office isn't relevant, nor did it happen when the competition was actually in place.)
They had in the process put themselves in a monopoly position with exclusionary tactics, to the point that the government decided to label them as such. Which in a bizarre twist of fate, actually concerns Microsoft's chiefs so much that they are fearing that they can't meaningfully grow.
Maybe this isn't quite as bad for everyone as most of us think...
It's actually much worse. Microsoft has stiffled innovation and competition in the prefered developement space, namely web. Their virtual dropping of their IE product has forced people to work around the failed product, regardless of what the rest of the commercial world thinks.
Oddly enough a recent nova discussed this as a sidenote about magnetic pole reversals of the earth. The discussed that eventually the earths magnetic field would disappear as a result of the process, which would last 300 years. During this we would have a constant, global aurora.
They discussed to a good length that the failure of magnetosphere of mars had stripped it of its atmosphere and water.
Since I got rid of cable I have honestly rediscovered why Public broadcasting is great, as I would have never found this degree of depth on discovery channel.
Good book. It is short and to the point. All of the ideas are ones you probably "know" just don't do. It was a proper kick in the ass to save that I wanted to do for so long but failed to do. More people need to understand that your lifestyle can adapt to changes in your budget in both directions, and to save regardless.
Gaim does indeed have a windows port. Gtk+ has a native windows port which pretty much allows for a well integrated experience. Honestly, I got used to running OO + mozilla + gimp on windows stations I felt I needed to use while I went through my gradual move to a linux desktop environment.
Having said that, evolution will not be cross-platform for quite some time, as it requires gnome libraries which won't be ported anytime soon. Evolution, Abiword and Gnumeric require libgnome. Also Nautilus in case you want to drag that monstrosity anywhere.
You should look at thunderbird. I have been forced into using it because of groupwise issues. I have also found that I really like it.
No, It is based on monopoly and physical distribution. just stop and think about what "copyright" means? The price set for CD's and DVD's has nothing to do with the "value" of the entertainment. It has more to do with the fact that there is only one distributer, who is not the creator of the work. What DRM really does is lock out competition of individual creators poring product into the market which now has nearly zero cost for duplication. They are not fighting the end user, their fighting to keep the keys to distribution. Piracy is a red herring.
No amount of handwaving, huffing, puffing or other assorted nonsense that other countries think should change US policy, will actually result in that. The UN is a non-functioning artifact of the cold war. It has _No_ legitmacy or ability to make decisions. What you think "the UN thinks" has more to do with what country your from than any actual commitment to policy.
The US as a state is the premier citizen of the international community. EU and China may rival it someday but it's a "get your shit together" situation. The EU has largely proven to be as ineffectual as it's constiuent nations get UN type paralysis.
I would actually be glad to have to rival nations to the US so the nationallity could innovate, but we all stagnate due to lack of competition.
It can't, but there is mod shenanigans going on. This post is redundant by the way to here. but the parent to that post is not, and is mismodded.
They're rich enough to spend the first quarter of their earnings living, the second quarter on taxes, and save/invest the rest.
At what point in that sentence am I supposed to see thay the wealthy are not bankrolling the economy. Since when is saving and investing a BAD thing. I mean I don't like being non-super rich either, But these people won't be putting there money in duffle bags under there mattres. What you should really be worring about is the people not doing _exactly_ what you said is bad. Getting in deep dept and going bankrupt is a major drain on our economy.
Or better yet, check out Novell's ZenWorks for Desktops. It handles both imaging and application/patch deployment. I work for A holding company which owns a general contractor. We service over 20 locations with two helpdesk individuals. These guys handle over 400 PC's and keep them patched and reimaged. We have only been struck twice with virii (once was due people bypassing sp4 and another was on a jobsite using kazaa, both situations are now permanently fixed).
Having seen how well it scales I have to say I'm a true believer.
Funny, not reallly... I thought you were talking about sun there for a moment.
Speak for yourself. I participate almost not at all in circles, but point prove why my orginization, family, freinds would benefit from open source. I don't think you have to look very far to understand the disaster that is windows. The very act of showing the alternative and explaining it's benefits is all you need to do.
You don't need to cheerleader. Just explain. Come on, what is so difficult about this?
As a consumer your fscked. As corporate support you have leverage especially when you say... "My thinkpads just work!" In the end as a home buyer your better off just wishfully thinking that you will not get screwed. (unless you work for a huge corporate buyer then the manager trick works.)