Yeah, all three of those sound about right. I'm not going to deny it, I felt it was an obvious set of character flaws, and I'm seeking non-psycho-pharmaceutical methods of reversing those, like how I have a therapist, etc.
As far as expectations of income, no not really. I think it would be nice to earn 65k on a BS, but I don't expect it. I'm quite happy at my 50k, even if I don't get to buy new gear all the time, or go on long vaca's, but I'm still young, so I figure it'll all change one day. Hell, I'ld be just as happy being 60 something and getting my 27th degree (ala the guy on idle from about a week ago).
But you're spot on with your three-point armchair analysis.
Oh, I wasn't upset, per-se, but after your comment, it does feel like things did turn into a poke-the-nerd game. I've thick skin, so that doesn't bother me, but I don't like being misquoted, and that whole 105k+/yr salary thing was a joke, apparently all too subtle.
As for the site, yar, popped a placeholder, we'll see if I do something with it. Some good points made here that if I do go job hunting, it should probably reflect my current work, etc, or be obviously for leisure, and not mention any sort of freelance work, which I'm not in the market for right now anyways.
Trust me on the frustration, I know how you feel, where it seems like nobody "gets it" anymore, where it feels like so many people got hired either because they "knew someone" or because they happened to have the right buzzwords, and then you find out that they didn't know crap about what they were trying to get the job in the first place. And apparently, my Engrish is on full-kilter this am.
Oi, time for coffee, l8rz
* And honestly, no hard feelings. I keep forgetting I've got that damned thing linked on here.
Yeah, and did it catch the "this site last update 2005" or that most pages with an updated timestamp are 2001?
Aw eff it all, I just took it all down. Go play on archive.org
Did you want a cookie for being able to use google cache? I mean seriously, if you're going to cut and paste, make sure you copy everything, including the bad table layout, ok?
Sheesh, does nobody read the post, it's 95k+ that I want...
HELLO!:-D
And besides, when I was 16, and geocities*** was giving away free webhosting, it seemed like a good idea. And I've just never taken it down.
***Ya know, I keep saying GeoCities, and others keep following me along, but it's really a Tripod page. Interesting tidbit tho: they were marketed to college age kids when I got mine, as opposed to Angelfire, which was marketed to my demographic - high schoolers.
So, all I have to do to prevent someone from being hired is to post a web page with completely false information about someone and companies with retarded hiring managers and retarded HR people will fall for it and not hire the person?
And you ask me why I would expect them to ask for my CV? Because I don't anticipate going job hunting again till I've gone to grad school. That may be far fetched, or it may not, time will tell, but it's my understanding that at that point a CV will be more pertinent to my situation than either a resume or some pointless site on a homesteaders site like geocities. Sure sure, now it's called tripod or lycos, but once upon a time that little POS site started life on geocities. I remember learning basic HTML from Gilpo's. Not that I've ever done anything with it, mind you...
Um, for seven years I busted my arse at my family's company, unloading boxcars and tractor trailers full of potatoes and onions on the Georgia State Farmers Market (upper side, not lower). For 12 hours or more everyday I would toss 50 and 100 lb sacks of vegetables, or boxes in some cases. I've put in a third of a career's worth of "hard day's work" and figure I may just have to go back to that.
Accordingly, my parents never gave me a "computers are the future!" speech, they wanted me to stay in produce. My mother was deathly afraid of y2k, and she thinks that because I want to get into pervasive computing that I'm going to help get the Christians persecuted for the endtimes. Sorry, they don't put much faith in computers in general. If you had a family that was initially supportive of you going to school, then I applaud you, but I'm quite happy with my income and my station in life right now.
And I don't use a blackberry, I'm a WinMo6Pro kinda guy... BES is EPIC FAIL, no?
Understood and recognized. I'm not looking. Thanks for the thoughtfulness, but it's the same reason (more or less) why I barely have a myspace account, no LinkedIn account, no FaceBook, etc.
Ok, so you're responding to my situation without seeing the rest of my posts, possibly fair because I would have been typing them while you were typing yours. I'm making well over 30k, and this degree IS a stepping stone to my next degree. I anticipate being jobless in two years, due to I want to try and goto grad school full time, and the company where I work now will be better able to hire another employee to do full-time work than to pay me full-time salary as a part-time employee. Granted, I'll already know the biz, but still.
As for my point in stating I would work for 65k+, then 75k+, then 85k+, bear in mind that banks are one of the few organizations that popular culture has the low man on the pole making more than most mid-level execs. I'm not saying that that myth of the popular culture is accurate, and I'm not saying it's all pervasive, but I am saying that it exists, and that there is this expectation that banks pay more than other jobs.
Also, you seem to keep posting income figures for a single individual. What about single-provider marriages and full-family situations? Should the earner still only earn enough for an individual? Are you advocating that all couples should be double-earner's? Don't you think that's unusual when so much of the world doesn't live like that?
That's rather exactly what I do... but to the point, I don't link to it. It's supposed to be a coping aide for my ADHD and my BP2 tendencies, but my ADHD keeps forgetting about it, so my BP2 doesn't get to cope. Go figure...
No, I'm making 50k/year in Houston and doing reasonably well as the sole provider on a married household, while in school full-time working on a BS. So I would say that if we were making 65k/yr we would be doing well for ourselves, but we won't be having kids, so I don't know how much that would have changed things.
Now, as for making 22k/yr and living well? No, not so much. 22k is considered passable, but not doing well. NY/LA numbers are about a third higher than my 50k for the same standard of living, as I understand it, but then again, I've never lived in either one.
a) where-tf on my website does it list a resume, 'cos I'm not seeing it b) if I had known everyone on/. was so anal about homepages being current I might have prepared better to make a joke c) I don't care for Java, and am pretty good with.NET d) I'm not a ninja, who told you that, who are you working for, WHO... ARE... YOU... WORKING... FOR? d) I don't want to work in the Financial Services industry
Oh, you're referring to my way out of date geocities page, which I'm too lazy on/. to update to anything reasonable? You're referring to the website that I made back when I thought black backgrounds on webpages were cool? You're not going to even begin to ask about my experience, or ask for a resume?
Yeah, I was younger once too, and no, I haven't updated that webpage in well over 4 years, so I hope it's pitifully out of date, and has absolutely no relevance to my experience level, nor to my qualifications. Part of the point of updating it then was to say I was married for those few who did go looking for me on the web, not because I wanted to redo it for quality or update any of the information on that page. And right now, I'm working for a small company, doing IT, for just shy of 50k, and they let me work banker's hours, so I'm quite happy, thanks. Just because I can poke fun at banks, and then try to make a joke while doing so (the increasing figures, etc) doesn't mean I think I'm worth 75k or better a year.
Now, once you've asked me about my CV, or my current work experience, or given me a practical exam on some bit of knowledge, don't knock me about my background. Yeah, so I'm too lazy to update google to point to my (currently private) blog, or to update that geocities hovel to something slightly cleaner. Now, did you have a particular question or seven to test my technical knowledge, or did you want to bash me over a website that I never use?
So, while I contemplate possibly updating a site that apparently uses black on black text (wtf was that all about), shall I ask you to tell us how khalidine.com is some sort of personal webpage? It looks like it's a game, so I doubt that tells us all about you, unless you are a AI./me mutters about silly people knocking us network admin about because we don't bother updating webpages...
Yeah, that's what I want to know. I'ld gladly take a job at a bank for 65k+ a year while I'm still in school, bankers hours would still give me time for class. And as an applied math minor, and a CS major, I'm sure I could handle these so called difficult positions. But it sounds like they weren't willing to pay the 75k+ a year that folks like me would like. I mean, when applicants start asking for 85k+ a year, you'ld think they were asking for more every time they mentioned the position...
Uh, I wouldn't bank on that. I'm pretty sure they could, so long as the sites are active. As for the inactive sites, don't you think it's the malware making them inactive?
Um, yeah. My boss called and told me about this. I was in the car headed to have bloodwork and a UA done (before starting new prescription drugs) and so hadn't had a piss all morning, nor anything to eat for over 12 hours. I was SO not ready to figure out why goog thought we were infected. Never even though to have him check google's own self-referential links. Perhaps next time I'll remember that. But I did have the sense to have him check Yahoo!s results, and they said we were sane.
And no, I'm not making this up. Who wants to get a call at 9am in front of Quest Diagnostics to be told that goog says you're evil?
Ok, so my apt-get-fu might not be as strong as yours. I haven't heard of a --nuke_from_orbit function, although it might be a good option, if it really could get rid of some of those pesky problems on today's machines. However, wouldn't a nuke-from-orbit likely take out your house as well (assuming the machines you install or are given are local to you and your house)?
Generally speaking though, because perhaps there's something I'm not getting (is that a whoosh I hear), but isn't GDM a good thing? I thought you had to have it to login to Gnome or the like. Additionally, if you really were to recommend removing it, as you and the parent poster both seem to claim, then what would be a good replacement. (besides KDM or XDM)
Now, I'm bracing myself for the on-rushing crowd of folks smacking me with a "whoosh"...
Atom processor, dual batteries, and the Toughbook name. I'ld say those are three distinct differences. Before you pointed it out, I had no idea that motioncomputing made ruggedized laptops. Granted, I don't do anything requiring ruggedized laptops, but I knew that Panasonic made the Toughbook.
So having said all that, I'll just touch up one other point. The reason I called out the Atom over the Core processor on your C5, is that the Atom is lower powered, thus generating less heat over time, and it'll suck less battery as well. Granted, the hog on these IS the LCD, so there's not a tremendous amount of difference, but still.
I have a user at the office, who claims that he used to run a successful Microsoft-discipleship (my words, not his - based on his comments tho) software sales company (so he should know about basic technology), who refuses to have more than a handful of windows open. I had to remote into his house the other day, and I had several windows open (a firefox with tabs, two cmd.exe windows, wireless properties, printer dialog, etc - don't ask what I had to troubleshoot) and after I got disconnected, I called him to reconnect me. When I got back onto his box, he had closed every window except the remote connection one (actually, he did it while I was talking to him on the phone, waiting on the reconnect - he was muttering about all the stuff I had open).
So the point of my post (ignoring all my delightful parenthetical comments of course) is that most users are quite delightedly happy to only have a handful of windows open at one time. I have other users in the office who will constantly reopen internet explorer or firefox to look something up after having closed it not minutes before. I, on the other hand, frequently have upwards of a dozen taskbar buttons (you know, app stacking and tabs and the like increase the actual app-count) and they just get SO confused...
Of course, when I tried to introduce them to the concept of multiple pieces of software for the same purpose (a-la Firefox vs IE, OO.o vs MS Office) they thought I was trying to tell them that they had to change software. Alas for the sheeple...
That's another point that I haven't seen made often enough. Microsoft has specific programs in place to go after government contracts where their licensing is vastly reduced from what the private sector pays. That's something else that would keep Microsoft on the government computers. But do we get a similar break? Of course not.
Nope. If Opera had their say in a government fiat imposed system, then for sure browsers would be pay-per-[sale|download|whatever]. This is in direct opposition to the crowd such as works on Firefox. The stated goal of the thread was that Microsoft should not supply a browser, so the question is are browsers free at that point but not installed by default, or are they a big-box-store cardboard-box add-on?
I like Opera, I'm just not an Opera fan myself. The interface doesn't... mesh well with me? Maybe it's been too long since I've looked at it?
Are you sure it wasn't just part of the firehose? You'll have to look and see if you're on index2.pl or just index.pl on your home page. It's most likely that you're on index2...
And I've talked with Microsoft Execs and regional execs who don't know that this is the most accurate interpretation of the agreements, because it does not favor using Microsoft server, so there is some room for discussion. But that would be decided using some sort of lawyerese, and most mom&pop's aren't going after that sort of licensing clarification, they go on the word of the sysadmin who sets up their box. I'll just tell them right away that at that point they should use Yahoo! or eBay or someone else to handle the sales aspect. It cuts down on a lot of overhead, albeit for a fee.
Unfortunately, at our shop, I am. Now, two caveats: 1) we're a small shop, so that's 'ok' that I'm THE guy, 2) we're only talking about my responsibility in man-hours, not some sort of pay-the-company-back-for-lost-downtime responsibility.
I would agree that Microsoft is not responsible at all, unless they come onsite to your premises and configure EVERYTHING and instruct all users in how to operate every facet of the computer and they provide explicit written instructions on every operation shown in training, including how to remedy problems with Exchange and how to properly operate backups. And we're also not assuming hardware failure on any of this, strictly software.
So did you have a point, or was this a troll? I'm assuming you're just posting trollish today, as opposed to making a valued comeback and were afraid of the karma downmod. I don't care about karma personally, so here's my $.02, overvalued as it may be...
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Yeah, all three of those sound about right. I'm not going to deny it, I felt it was an obvious set of character flaws, and I'm seeking non-psycho-pharmaceutical methods of reversing those, like how I have a therapist, etc.
As far as expectations of income, no not really. I think it would be nice to earn 65k on a BS, but I don't expect it. I'm quite happy at my 50k, even if I don't get to buy new gear all the time, or go on long vaca's, but I'm still young, so I figure it'll all change one day. Hell, I'ld be just as happy being 60 something and getting my 27th degree (ala the guy on idle from about a week ago).
But you're spot on with your three-point armchair analysis.
Oh, I wasn't upset, per-se, but after your comment, it does feel like things did turn into a poke-the-nerd game. I've thick skin, so that doesn't bother me, but I don't like being misquoted, and that whole 105k+/yr salary thing was a joke, apparently all too subtle.
As for the site, yar, popped a placeholder, we'll see if I do something with it. Some good points made here that if I do go job hunting, it should probably reflect my current work, etc, or be obviously for leisure, and not mention any sort of freelance work, which I'm not in the market for right now anyways.
Trust me on the frustration, I know how you feel, where it seems like nobody "gets it" anymore, where it feels like so many people got hired either because they "knew someone" or because they happened to have the right buzzwords, and then you find out that they didn't know crap about what they were trying to get the job in the first place. And apparently, my Engrish is on full-kilter this am.
Oi, time for coffee, l8rz
* And honestly, no hard feelings. I keep forgetting I've got that damned thing linked on here.
Yeah, and did it catch the "this site last update 2005" or that most pages with an updated timestamp are 2001?
Aw eff it all, I just took it all down. Go play on archive.org
Did you want a cookie for being able to use google cache? I mean seriously, if you're going to cut and paste, make sure you copy everything, including the bad table layout, ok?
Sheesh, does nobody read the post, it's 95k+ that I want...
HELLO! :-D
And besides, when I was 16, and geocities*** was giving away free webhosting, it seemed like a good idea. And I've just never taken it down.
***Ya know, I keep saying GeoCities, and others keep following me along, but it's really a Tripod page. Interesting tidbit tho: they were marketed to college age kids when I got mine, as opposed to Angelfire, which was marketed to my demographic - high schoolers.
heh, the AC above you (at this point in time) makes a really good point: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1111905&cid=26690167
So, all I have to do to prevent someone from being hired is to post a web page with completely false information about someone and companies with retarded hiring managers and retarded HR people will fall for it and not hire the person?
And you ask me why I would expect them to ask for my CV? Because I don't anticipate going job hunting again till I've gone to grad school. That may be far fetched, or it may not, time will tell, but it's my understanding that at that point a CV will be more pertinent to my situation than either a resume or some pointless site on a homesteaders site like geocities. Sure sure, now it's called tripod or lycos, but once upon a time that little POS site started life on geocities. I remember learning basic HTML from Gilpo's. Not that I've ever done anything with it, mind you...
And yet you post AC... Hmmm, not much into tech are you?
Um, for seven years I busted my arse at my family's company, unloading boxcars and tractor trailers full of potatoes and onions on the Georgia State Farmers Market (upper side, not lower). For 12 hours or more everyday I would toss 50 and 100 lb sacks of vegetables, or boxes in some cases. I've put in a third of a career's worth of "hard day's work" and figure I may just have to go back to that.
Accordingly, my parents never gave me a "computers are the future!" speech, they wanted me to stay in produce. My mother was deathly afraid of y2k, and she thinks that because I want to get into pervasive computing that I'm going to help get the Christians persecuted for the endtimes. Sorry, they don't put much faith in computers in general. If you had a family that was initially supportive of you going to school, then I applaud you, but I'm quite happy with my income and my station in life right now.
And I don't use a blackberry, I'm a WinMo6Pro kinda guy... BES is EPIC FAIL, no?
Understood and recognized. I'm not looking. Thanks for the thoughtfulness, but it's the same reason (more or less) why I barely have a myspace account, no LinkedIn account, no FaceBook, etc.
Ok, so you're responding to my situation without seeing the rest of my posts, possibly fair because I would have been typing them while you were typing yours. I'm making well over 30k, and this degree IS a stepping stone to my next degree. I anticipate being jobless in two years, due to I want to try and goto grad school full time, and the company where I work now will be better able to hire another employee to do full-time work than to pay me full-time salary as a part-time employee. Granted, I'll already know the biz, but still.
As for my point in stating I would work for 65k+, then 75k+, then 85k+, bear in mind that banks are one of the few organizations that popular culture has the low man on the pole making more than most mid-level execs. I'm not saying that that myth of the popular culture is accurate, and I'm not saying it's all pervasive, but I am saying that it exists, and that there is this expectation that banks pay more than other jobs.
Also, you seem to keep posting income figures for a single individual. What about single-provider marriages and full-family situations? Should the earner still only earn enough for an individual? Are you advocating that all couples should be double-earner's? Don't you think that's unusual when so much of the world doesn't live like that?
That's rather exactly what I do... but to the point, I don't link to it. It's supposed to be a coping aide for my ADHD and my BP2 tendencies, but my ADHD keeps forgetting about it, so my BP2 doesn't get to cope. Go figure...
No, I'm making 50k/year in Houston and doing reasonably well as the sole provider on a married household, while in school full-time working on a BS. So I would say that if we were making 65k/yr we would be doing well for ourselves, but we won't be having kids, so I don't know how much that would have changed things.
Now, as for making 22k/yr and living well? No, not so much. 22k is considered passable, but not doing well. NY/LA numbers are about a third higher than my 50k for the same standard of living, as I understand it, but then again, I've never lived in either one.
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a) where-tf on my website does it list a resume, 'cos I'm not seeing it /. was so anal about homepages being current I might have prepared better to make a joke .NET ... ARE ... YOU ... WORKING ... FOR?
b) if I had known everyone on
c) I don't care for Java, and am pretty good with
d) I'm not a ninja, who told you that, who are you working for, WHO
d) I don't want to work in the Financial Services industry
e) I'm not very good at making jokes....
Oh, you're referring to my way out of date geocities page, which I'm too lazy on /. to update to anything reasonable? You're referring to the website that I made back when I thought black backgrounds on webpages were cool? You're not going to even begin to ask about my experience, or ask for a resume?
Yeah, I was younger once too, and no, I haven't updated that webpage in well over 4 years, so I hope it's pitifully out of date, and has absolutely no relevance to my experience level, nor to my qualifications. Part of the point of updating it then was to say I was married for those few who did go looking for me on the web, not because I wanted to redo it for quality or update any of the information on that page. And right now, I'm working for a small company, doing IT, for just shy of 50k, and they let me work banker's hours, so I'm quite happy, thanks. Just because I can poke fun at banks, and then try to make a joke while doing so (the increasing figures, etc) doesn't mean I think I'm worth 75k or better a year.
Now, once you've asked me about my CV, or my current work experience, or given me a practical exam on some bit of knowledge, don't knock me about my background. Yeah, so I'm too lazy to update google to point to my (currently private) blog, or to update that geocities hovel to something slightly cleaner. Now, did you have a particular question or seven to test my technical knowledge, or did you want to bash me over a website that I never use?
So, while I contemplate possibly updating a site that apparently uses black on black text (wtf was that all about), shall I ask you to tell us how khalidine.com is some sort of personal webpage? It looks like it's a game, so I doubt that tells us all about you, unless you are a AI. /me mutters about silly people knocking us network admin about because we don't bother updating webpages...
Yeah, that's what I want to know. I'ld gladly take a job at a bank for 65k+ a year while I'm still in school, bankers hours would still give me time for class. And as an applied math minor, and a CS major, I'm sure I could handle these so called difficult positions. But it sounds like they weren't willing to pay the 75k+ a year that folks like me would like. I mean, when applicants start asking for 85k+ a year, you'ld think they were asking for more every time they mentioned the position...
Uh, I wouldn't bank on that. I'm pretty sure they could, so long as the sites are active. As for the inactive sites, don't you think it's the malware making them inactive?
Um, yeah. My boss called and told me about this. I was in the car headed to have bloodwork and a UA done (before starting new prescription drugs) and so hadn't had a piss all morning, nor anything to eat for over 12 hours. I was SO not ready to figure out why goog thought we were infected. Never even though to have him check google's own self-referential links. Perhaps next time I'll remember that. But I did have the sense to have him check Yahoo!s results, and they said we were sane.
And no, I'm not making this up. Who wants to get a call at 9am in front of Quest Diagnostics to be told that goog says you're evil?
Ok, so my apt-get-fu might not be as strong as yours. I haven't heard of a --nuke_from_orbit function, although it might be a good option, if it really could get rid of some of those pesky problems on today's machines. However, wouldn't a nuke-from-orbit likely take out your house as well (assuming the machines you install or are given are local to you and your house)?
Generally speaking though, because perhaps there's something I'm not getting (is that a whoosh I hear), but isn't GDM a good thing? I thought you had to have it to login to Gnome or the like. Additionally, if you really were to recommend removing it, as you and the parent poster both seem to claim, then what would be a good replacement. (besides KDM or XDM)
Now, I'm bracing myself for the on-rushing crowd of folks smacking me with a "whoosh"...
Atom processor, dual batteries, and the Toughbook name. I'ld say those are three distinct differences. Before you pointed it out, I had no idea that motioncomputing made ruggedized laptops. Granted, I don't do anything requiring ruggedized laptops, but I knew that Panasonic made the Toughbook. So having said all that, I'll just touch up one other point. The reason I called out the Atom over the Core processor on your C5, is that the Atom is lower powered, thus generating less heat over time, and it'll suck less battery as well. Granted, the hog on these IS the LCD, so there's not a tremendous amount of difference, but still.
Sorry, but you're wrong, the word you're thinking of is "coaster".
Or am I just a media generation behind? It's been a while since I've actually seen those in the mail/mag-subscrips...
re:only allowing three programs to run at once...
I have a user at the office, who claims that he used to run a successful Microsoft-discipleship (my words, not his - based on his comments tho) software sales company (so he should know about basic technology), who refuses to have more than a handful of windows open. I had to remote into his house the other day, and I had several windows open (a firefox with tabs, two cmd.exe windows, wireless properties, printer dialog, etc - don't ask what I had to troubleshoot) and after I got disconnected, I called him to reconnect me. When I got back onto his box, he had closed every window except the remote connection one (actually, he did it while I was talking to him on the phone, waiting on the reconnect - he was muttering about all the stuff I had open).
So the point of my post (ignoring all my delightful parenthetical comments of course) is that most users are quite delightedly happy to only have a handful of windows open at one time. I have other users in the office who will constantly reopen internet explorer or firefox to look something up after having closed it not minutes before. I, on the other hand, frequently have upwards of a dozen taskbar buttons (you know, app stacking and tabs and the like increase the actual app-count) and they just get SO confused...
Of course, when I tried to introduce them to the concept of multiple pieces of software for the same purpose (a-la Firefox vs IE, OO.o vs MS Office) they thought I was trying to tell them that they had to change software. Alas for the sheeple...
That's another point that I haven't seen made often enough. Microsoft has specific programs in place to go after government contracts where their licensing is vastly reduced from what the private sector pays. That's something else that would keep Microsoft on the government computers. But do we get a similar break? Of course not.
Nope. If Opera had their say in a government fiat imposed system, then for sure browsers would be pay-per-[sale|download|whatever]. This is in direct opposition to the crowd such as works on Firefox. The stated goal of the thread was that Microsoft should not supply a browser, so the question is are browsers free at that point but not installed by default, or are they a big-box-store cardboard-box add-on?
I like Opera, I'm just not an Opera fan myself. The interface doesn't ... mesh well with me? Maybe it's been too long since I've looked at it?
Are you sure it wasn't just part of the firehose? You'll have to look and see if you're on index2.pl or just index.pl on your home page. It's most likely that you're on index2...
And I've talked with Microsoft Execs and regional execs who don't know that this is the most accurate interpretation of the agreements, because it does not favor using Microsoft server, so there is some room for discussion. But that would be decided using some sort of lawyerese, and most mom&pop's aren't going after that sort of licensing clarification, they go on the word of the sysadmin who sets up their box. I'll just tell them right away that at that point they should use Yahoo! or eBay or someone else to handle the sales aspect. It cuts down on a lot of overhead, albeit for a fee.
Unfortunately, at our shop, I am. Now, two caveats: 1) we're a small shop, so that's 'ok' that I'm THE guy, 2) we're only talking about my responsibility in man-hours, not some sort of pay-the-company-back-for-lost-downtime responsibility.
I would agree that Microsoft is not responsible at all, unless they come onsite to your premises and configure EVERYTHING and instruct all users in how to operate every facet of the computer and they provide explicit written instructions on every operation shown in training, including how to remedy problems with Exchange and how to properly operate backups. And we're also not assuming hardware failure on any of this, strictly software.
So did you have a point, or was this a troll? I'm assuming you're just posting trollish today, as opposed to making a valued comeback and were afraid of the karma downmod. I don't care about karma personally, so here's my $.02, overvalued as it may be...