I hope they do something that will actually serve their customers well, now, like improving their ability to handle the number of customers they have now, make sure that people going to their web site can actually learn about their broadband offerings (instead of getting error messages from servlets) and other things that make it look like they give a damn about their customers.
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Ah, but that's not entirely true, because the issue was, if I remember right (I probably don't) the code in question infringes on Caldera...erm, SCO's patents. As screwed up as the U.S. Patent Office is nowadays, companies own patents to ideas. There could indeed be "SCO property" in the kernel even if the source is not.
Thanks for sharing your utterly valueless opinion. I agree that RH is moving things in a good direction; can't say I agree that they're getting it right. Sorry to hear that you've discovered how terrible GNOME really is. Most pro-GNOME (and anti-KDE) zealots I've run into are RH users, who don't seem to realize that what GNOME and KDE are on RH doesn't necessarily represent reality.
I was a happy Libranet user for a while; they do maintain a repository of updates. Most of the updates come from the "official" Debian distribution, though.
Basically what you're paying for is, as far as I can tell, a raftload of up-to-date apps, an up-to-date kernel, some convenience apps for setting things up nicely, all on top of a relatively stable release of Debian. If they've bumped their price up as one poster said, I don't see how it's worth it. When I bought a copy, it was on a set of CD-Rs and came with a manual--on letter-size paper stapled together, no less.
It's nice, it's stable, it's relatively hassle-free (as hassle-free as Debian ever is, and then some) so decide whether or not that's worth your while. It wasn't to me, but then again, I'm foolish enough to use Gentoo Linux as my main distribution.
Hi. I'm a KDE user, and I want app integration, consistent look-and-feel, etc. on an operating system that works. And GNOME just doesn't feel nearly as integrated to me. Sorry, but it doesn't.
Don't tell me to use Windows just because the GNOME project isn't capable of tight integration.
How did business get done for thousands of years without Outlook, anyway?
Look, there is an ancient Engineering statement that many of you must have heard:
"Inexpensive, Fast, Good -- You May Choose Two."
With OSS, the first is a condition, at its most extreme scale (Free!).
Yay, someone else who confuses Free as in Freedom and Free as in Beer. JWZ is often quoted as saying something to the effect of "Linux is only free if your time is worthless." Most take that as a "yeah, people who say Linux is free are full of shit" but really, it's true. Linux does have a cost, FreeBSD has a great cost, and
that's mostly in people-hours. You completely discount people-hours as a cost and yes, if you skimp on that, your last choice is either good or fast. Please don't try to tell me that simply because OSS largely isn't for-pay coding that there's no way that something can be both fast and good; I'm not buying that.:-D
(or perhaps IHBT and I should just STFU and HAND.;-D)
And quite frankly, I'm tired of developers using the "eventually everyone will upgrade" excuse to further bloat software, since after all, who needs to be efficient when one just needs to lend Intel and Co. a helping hand in pushing new product?
What does Mozilla do that couldn't be done in a tenth of the space it takes up? Is XUL really that much better than cleaner coding practices that make writing Yet Another Cross-Platform-System nearly unnecessary?
believe me i cant stop laughing whenever i look
at X and whenever i hear people say things like
"too much eyecandy in XP and OSX". hello ? maybe
we are just trying a wee bit to justify the
defects in a system.i always tend to try to get the job done in the console....
I work on a Jaguar box 40hrs./wk and I can honestly say there's too much fucking eyecandy. OK?
Maybe Apple should stop thinking about things like alpha-channel-friendly themes, windows that twist themselves into funny shapes when they're minimized, bouncing icons, etc. and more on things like, oh, say, a Finder that doesn't suck. Those are the things I get the most complaints about when I try to help people move from 9 to X; people don't like the stuff like the bouncing icons, and think that (and I agree) that Finder is vastly inferior to Finder in 9.
I'm forced to work with Macs and Windows machines; I come home to *n?x boxes running X. I fail to see how letting a WM warp and twist windows all out of proportion during minimization, as well as translucent windows/titlebars, increases productivity.
I'm sorry, but I come from the print world and when I hear "non-TrueType should just go away" I get the urge to get out a baseball bat.
Just because the available libs antialias TrueType fonts nicely doesn't mean that TrueType is vastly superior. Quite frankly, TrueType is vastly inferior to Postscript.
Ah, bullshit yourself; when I was using 10.1.5 I couldn't cut-and-paste between Mac OS X apps and important apps like QuarkXPress.
I suppose it could have been a local problem, but I doubt it, because I was getting asked by other people in other offices if it worked for me, because it wasn't for them.
Erm, actually, the company currently known as SCO, AFAIK, did very little for "us."
Caldera bought SCO, Caldera changed name to SCO, SCO starts suing companies who make money selling Linux. That's beautiful, since Caldera got its start selling a Linux distribution.
Just as GNOME is relying on GTK+ to have improved file dialogs in the future, KDE is crippled by things out of its control. Admittedly, if you compare KDE on Linux to KDE on Darwin, you're going to think that KDE on Linux is a speed demon, but if you use KDE on, say, FreeBSD, you'll be thinking "what speed difference?"
It's a known architecture problem, and if developers are waiting for someone at Red Hat to fix it for them just so that KDE can run faster, I'm sure they'll be waiting for a long, long time.;-D
Um, I suppose you didn't read Opera's take on this; MSN's webserver(s) uses a special broken CSS for Opera. When using the stylesheet intended for IE6, Opera displays the page just fine.
Agreed. The only focus seems to be on making GNOME just a little bit better from a user perspective than KDE. Sometimes they do okay, and sometimes they fail miserably. Most themes seem designed to show off whatever new pointless feature someone's come up with.
No, the second teacher was supposed to go to the Columbia after landing, to get a good look at it after landing and whatnot. There's all sorts of nice neat tidy coincidences on this flight, and I'm sure the data will be gone over with a fine-toothed comb. It's the week of the Challenger disaster, the Columbia flight right before it took up the second teacher to be green-lighted for a Shuttle mission, and the first Israeli in space was on this flight. I don't think that necessarily means that something evil was afoot, but there are certainly a number of interesting coincidences that make it more probable.
And as the MPlayer people point out, some of the same deps are perfectly all right in other Debian packages, while they're not in MPlayer.
Sounds like a personality conflict...
I'm ashamed to admit that I just replaced Gentoo on my main machine with, of all things, Red Hat 8. I needed something that I could rely on to just work, dammit.;-D Having said that, I'm going to have to install software like XMMS and MPlayer from source.:-/
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That would be "grammar" you drooling moron...
I hope they do something that will actually serve their customers well, now, like improving their ability to handle the number of customers they have now, make sure that people going to their web site can actually learn about their broadband offerings (instead of getting error messages from servlets) and other things that make it look like they give a damn about their customers.
Ah, but that's not entirely true, because the issue was, if I remember right (I probably don't) the code in question infringes on Caldera...erm, SCO's patents. As screwed up as the U.S. Patent Office is nowadays, companies own patents to ideas. There could indeed be "SCO property" in the kernel even if the source is not.
Thanks for sharing your utterly valueless opinion. I agree that RH is moving things in a good direction; can't say I agree that they're getting it right. Sorry to hear that you've discovered how terrible GNOME really is. Most pro-GNOME (and anti-KDE) zealots I've run into are RH users, who don't seem to realize that what GNOME and KDE are on RH doesn't necessarily represent reality.
I was a happy Libranet user for a while; they do maintain a repository of updates. Most of the updates come from the "official" Debian distribution, though.
Basically what you're paying for is, as far as I can tell, a raftload of up-to-date apps, an up-to-date kernel, some convenience apps for setting things up nicely, all on top of a relatively stable release of Debian. If they've bumped their price up as one poster said, I don't see how it's worth it. When I bought a copy, it was on a set of CD-Rs and came with a manual--on letter-size paper stapled together, no less.
It's nice, it's stable, it's relatively hassle-free (as hassle-free as Debian ever is, and then some) so decide whether or not that's worth your while. It wasn't to me, but then again, I'm foolish enough to use Gentoo Linux as my main distribution.
Don't tell me to use Windows just because the GNOME project isn't capable of tight integration.
The DirectFB project has 2D going nicely, and is working on 3D. It's Linux-only at the moment, but that can change. :-D
How did business get done for thousands of years without Outlook, anyway?
Look, there is an ancient Engineering statement that many of you must have heard:
"Inexpensive, Fast, Good -- You May Choose Two."
With OSS, the first is a condition, at its most extreme scale (Free!).
Yay, someone else who confuses Free as in Freedom and Free as in Beer. JWZ is often quoted as saying something to the effect of "Linux is only free if your time is worthless." Most take that as a "yeah, people who say Linux is free are full of shit" but really, it's true. Linux does have a cost, FreeBSD has a great cost, and that's mostly in people-hours. You completely discount people-hours as a cost and yes, if you skimp on that, your last choice is either good or fast. Please don't try to tell me that simply because OSS largely isn't for-pay coding that there's no way that something can be both fast and good; I'm not buying that. :-D
(or perhaps IHBT and I should just STFU and HAND. ;-D)
What does Mozilla do that couldn't be done in a tenth of the space it takes up? Is XUL really that much better than cleaner coding practices that make writing Yet Another Cross-Platform-System nearly unnecessary?
On behalf of MacOS and *n?x users everywhere, I'd like to say, "What?"
I work on a Jaguar box 40hrs./wk and I can honestly say there's too much fucking eyecandy. OK?
Maybe Apple should stop thinking about things like alpha-channel-friendly themes, windows that twist themselves into funny shapes when they're minimized, bouncing icons, etc. and more on things like, oh, say, a Finder that doesn't suck. Those are the things I get the most complaints about when I try to help people move from 9 to X; people don't like the stuff like the bouncing icons, and think that (and I agree) that Finder is vastly inferior to Finder in 9.
I'm forced to work with Macs and Windows machines; I come home to *n?x boxes running X. I fail to see how letting a WM warp and twist windows all out of proportion during minimization, as well as translucent windows/titlebars, increases productivity.
Just because the available libs antialias TrueType fonts nicely doesn't mean that TrueType is vastly superior. Quite frankly, TrueType is vastly inferior to Postscript.
Anyone else see a problem here?
I suppose it could have been a local problem, but I doubt it, because I was getting asked by other people in other offices if it worked for me, because it wasn't for them.
By those standards, Apple's OS X really sucks.
Caldera bought SCO, Caldera changed name to SCO, SCO starts suing companies who make money selling Linux. That's beautiful, since Caldera got its start selling a Linux distribution.
That's about the stupidest move SCO could have made; they went after one of the biggest companies out there.
I mean, the only way they could have been stupider is to claim that WinNT was a UNIX-like technology, and sue Microsoft for breach of contract.
Just as GNOME is relying on GTK+ to have improved file dialogs in the future, KDE is crippled by things out of its control. Admittedly, if you compare KDE on Linux to KDE on Darwin, you're going to think that KDE on Linux is a speed demon, but if you use KDE on, say, FreeBSD, you'll be thinking "what speed difference?"
It's a known architecture problem, and if developers are waiting for someone at Red Hat to fix it for them just so that KDE can run faster, I'm sure they'll be waiting for a long, long time. ;-D
I suppose next you'll say that Jews are a Frank Herbert myth too. :-P
In implementing ADFS if ANY disassembly and reverse engineering of code was done this would amount to a violation of the DCMA.
*cough* ex post facto *cough*
Um, I suppose you didn't read Opera's take on this; MSN's webserver(s) uses a special broken CSS for Opera. When using the stylesheet intended for IE6, Opera displays the page just fine.
That's the oddest pie recipe I've ever seen.
I can see a need for SVG, but not for SVG icons.
No, the second teacher was supposed to go to the Columbia after landing, to get a good look at it after landing and whatnot. There's all sorts of nice neat tidy coincidences on this flight, and I'm sure the data will be gone over with a fine-toothed comb. It's the week of the Challenger disaster, the Columbia flight right before it took up the second teacher to be green-lighted for a Shuttle mission, and the first Israeli in space was on this flight. I don't think that necessarily means that something evil was afoot, but there are certainly a number of interesting coincidences that make it more probable.
And as the MPlayer people point out, some of the same deps are perfectly all right in other Debian packages, while they're not in MPlayer.
Sounds like a personality conflict...
I'm ashamed to admit that I just replaced Gentoo on my main machine with, of all things, Red Hat 8. I needed something that I could rely on to just work, dammit.