Bah, you seem to be implying that the stock actually deserved to be worth $300. It was WAAAAAAY overinflated and everyone but you knew it. Get over it and stop flaming VA, dammit.
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I mean, if it hadn't been for his publicity, we'd have probably been watching Dick Clark a year ago dodging 777's. But instead, people worked hard, got the bugs worked out, and instead of patting everyone on the back for what a great job they did, most of what you heard was, "So where the hell's the big disaster? It was all a sham to make money."
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Read Cryptonomicon. While I'm not a brain like the fictional Lawrence Waterhouse, I feel that sense of detachment from reality most of the time. It's kind of depressing when I think about it, but it's also kind of liberating. Nice to be able to ponder an idea while annoying things like Real Life(TM) are going on.
My first distro was Slack back in '96. Nearly everything had to be configured by hand. I had to find some obscure shit (wasn't in the manual, of course) for the monitor I had at the time. XFree configuration? vi, of course.:-) Ditto for everything else. When I got a DeskJet 672C, I ended up having to write my own filter to get the printer to work.
Nowadays? I use Mandrake. Unless I have problems (I've sworn that I'd dump Kudzu the first time I had problems; I still haven't removed it yet:-) If I do any re-configuration of my hardware setup, I don't have the patience to dick around for a day figuring out what's wrong. If someone else is willing to write a tool that does it automagically, I'm grateful they did. Right now, I'm unemployed, but at the time I switched to Mandrake, I was trying to hold down a management position. I didn't have time to dick around with hand-configuring anymore (and at the time I was switching stuff around quite frequently:-) and Mandrake more or less held in there for me. Better, in fact, than Windows did.
I say this out of the experience of installing both Win98 and Mandrake on the same box, the same time. It took me LESS time to get Mandrake up and running 100%.
It's GOOD that they'd be stressing that the film isn't as good as they'd hoped--this means, I'm sure, that they're going back to the drawing board somewhat. I wouldn't be surprised to see them calling actors & actresses back down to Sydney soon to shoot new scenes.
This just means that we'll have to wait that much longer.:-(
I think it's an excellent idea. I hadn't realized, when I last worked with it, that it wasn't RPM4-friendly yet.:-} It looks great, and doesn't live in the shadow of Debian, which is double good. "Oh look, you had to go to Debian to fix your distro!" No, Connectiva simply fulfilled one of the promises of apt-get -- that it'd be packaging system format agnostic.
I'd be more interested in yup simply because it's custom-built for RPM and isn't going to get constant flack from Debian zealots.
>This leads me to believe this will not always be free.
Yup, in both senses. If that's a problem for you, don't use the software. It's an extremely simple concept. If you don't agree with the license, and you can live without the software, don't use the software.
One thing that's ignored when discussing freedom is the freedom of an individual developer/organization to choose the license for their own software. I think it's high time we start respecting people for their choices (when they don't violate our rights, which this software doesn't seem to do) rather than bashing them over the head for not releasing software under the GPL.
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I started to disagree for some odd reason, but you're entirely correct. Doing Debian-like apt-getting would kill RH's CD sales. People like me would still buy CDs, since I live in Bumfuzzle USA with my blazing-fast 56k analog modem connection, but I tend to go the Cheap-Bytes route.
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One nice thing about Red Hat is that they make their distribution (at least the free software) available for download. You can pull a Mandrake and simply re-release RH with apt-get, YUP or whatever automatic dependency management you wish.
If I could find a server to throw stuff on, I wouldn't mind seeing this done.:-) I personally have a bit of a problem with Debian; too many people wanting to set community policy. Yes, thank you, I'm too stupid to know whether or not software is truly Free and I might accidentally use some non-Free software in a situation that violates the license. I'm entirely too stupid to read the license, so yes, thank you for making that decision for me. Thinking makes my brain hurt!;-)
Seriously, the reason Debian doesn't use RPM is because R=="Red Hat" IMHO. That's the vibe I get from some folks who're involved in Debian. "Ick, that's a RH thing," I've heard more than once.:-) You could make a system (now:-) as easy to use, and as coherent, and as logically laid out, package-wise, as Debian and use RPM. Hell, now, you can even use apt-get with this mythical RPM-based system.
You're comparing a new OS to an OS that's been around since the early 90s. When Linux was getting started, people were mousing around in Win3.1.
Get over it, people. Linux is based on standards which, when used, make a "standard" UNIX-like system. Microsoft more or less invented their own OS. Linux is not Windows. Stop expecting it to cater to you and turn into Windows just because you don't want to learn.
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So how did these people learn about DOS/Windows? They just dick around until they figure out what works? No. They (people like my clueless father) get books on the subject and learn how to deal with the system. Is Windows 100% like a Mac? No? Then how the devil does Microsoft expect to take over the desktop marke....oh, wait.
The Linux world does NOT need to concentrate on turning Linux systems into Windows clones! You don't take the lead by following! If a distribution came about that supported hardware by installing Win32 drivers (supported, I guess, through Winelib), implemented a Win32-compatible Registry, and had a hacked version of KDE or GNOME that worked as a 100% clone of the Windows interface, it'd still be percieved as a piss-poor cheap-ass knock-off copy.
We need to WORK on EDUCATING people who want to try Linux, not leading them by the hand by making sure they don't have to learn anything new.
>LINUX USERS ARE NOT PROFESSIONALS, BUT THEY ARE PROFESSIONAL CRIMINALS!!!
Not only was that a poor attempt at a troll, but you failed to explain to me why I'm a professional criminal. You actually expect to throw around unsubstantiated rumors as fact, AND get clear, concise help from me? Fuck off.
>You ever take into consideration that you're
>just around dumb people?
HAH! This may have been a troll, but that's my story through and through. I'm not all that intelligent, just had the dumb luck to be an average person among idiots most of my life. It's great that "make dep; make bzImage" can amaze the dumbest of morons. Watch 'em drool!
>News for LINUX nerds. Stuff that doesn't matter to anyone else...
No SHIT, Sherlock! If that's a problem for you, look elsewhere! I'm serious! I really don't understand why the newer readership, too lazy to even log in, thinks they can whine, bitch, and moan their way into changing the focus of Slashdot! IT HAS ALWAYS HAD A LINUX BENT! GET OVER IT!
It's a word picked on by whiny assholes who just have to have first post and look for typos to do so. It sucks being 12, popping zits and knowing you won't get laid, ever, doesn't it?
>This is part of what is keeping Linux from
>reaching the mainstream.
And once again I have to ask: who's wanting Linux to "reach the mainstream"? What kills me is that mainstream media outlets like Ziff-Davis (and, of course, others) have people working for them who will lament about Linux not being user-friendly enough, preach to the developer masses about how poor a choice much of their software is for end users, and what do they do to help? Sorry, Appwatch doesn't count, guys.
If you're so #$@! smart and want a distribution that's perfect, throw some money at the problem.
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Well, yeah, it was a joke. You seem to have correctly identified the attempt at humor, and still reacted as if you didn't.
Bah, you seem to be implying that the stock actually deserved to be worth $300. It was WAAAAAAY overinflated and everyone but you knew it. Get over it and stop flaming VA, dammit.
>I guess one of their USP's was that it was in paper format.
:-)
Yeah, if it hadn't been for that fact, I wouldn't have paid for the magazine.
You dolt, the entire stock market tanked. The stock price of VA doesn't tell you shit.
>Say hello to Mr. Mossberg.
;-)
I'd be willing to be that you'd be on the street if you introduced your landlord to Mr. 20Ga.
>2. Re-read my post. Note the title. Realise I was agreeing with you.
Perhaps, but it's hard to tell, as you expend most of your effort toward insulting the original poster.
Go away, troll.
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Try those stories on kuro5hin. Duh.
I mean, if it hadn't been for his publicity, we'd have probably been watching Dick Clark a year ago dodging 777's. But instead, people worked hard, got the bugs worked out, and instead of patting everyone on the back for what a great job they did, most of what you heard was, "So where the hell's the big disaster? It was all a sham to make money."
Pfft.
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Read Cryptonomicon. While I'm not a brain like the fictional Lawrence Waterhouse, I feel that sense of detachment from reality most of the time. It's kind of depressing when I think about it, but it's also kind of liberating. Nice to be able to ponder an idea while annoying things like Real Life(TM) are going on.
My first distro was Slack back in '96. Nearly everything had to be configured by hand. I had to find some obscure shit (wasn't in the manual, of course) for the monitor I had at the time. XFree configuration? vi, of course. :-) Ditto for everything else. When I got a DeskJet 672C, I ended up having to write my own filter to get the printer to work.
:-) If I do any re-configuration of my hardware setup, I don't have the patience to dick around for a day figuring out what's wrong. If someone else is willing to write a tool that does it automagically, I'm grateful they did. Right now, I'm unemployed, but at the time I switched to Mandrake, I was trying to hold down a management position. I didn't have time to dick around with hand-configuring anymore (and at the time I was switching stuff around quite frequently :-) and Mandrake more or less held in there for me. Better, in fact, than Windows did.
Nowadays? I use Mandrake. Unless I have problems (I've sworn that I'd dump Kudzu the first time I had problems; I still haven't removed it yet
I say this out of the experience of installing both Win98 and Mandrake on the same box, the same time. It took me LESS time to get Mandrake up and running 100%.
It's GOOD that they'd be stressing that the film isn't as good as they'd hoped--this means, I'm sure, that they're going back to the drawing board somewhat. I wouldn't be surprised to see them calling actors & actresses back down to Sydney soon to shoot new scenes.
:-(
This just means that we'll have to wait that much longer.
I think it's an excellent idea. I hadn't realized, when I last worked with it, that it wasn't RPM4-friendly yet. :-} It looks great, and doesn't live in the shadow of Debian, which is double good. "Oh look, you had to go to Debian to fix your distro!" No, Connectiva simply fulfilled one of the promises of apt-get -- that it'd be packaging system format agnostic.
I'd be more interested in yup simply because it's custom-built for RPM and isn't going to get constant flack from Debian zealots.
>This leads me to believe this will not always be free.
Yup, in both senses. If that's a problem for you, don't use the software. It's an extremely simple concept. If you don't agree with the license, and you can live without the software, don't use the software.
One thing that's ignored when discussing freedom is the freedom of an individual developer/organization to choose the license for their own software. I think it's high time we start respecting people for their choices (when they don't violate our rights, which this software doesn't seem to do) rather than bashing them over the head for not releasing software under the GPL.
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:-) I personally have a bit of a problem with Debian; too many people wanting to set community policy. Yes, thank you, I'm too stupid to know whether or not software is truly Free and I might accidentally use some non-Free software in a situation that violates the license. I'm entirely too stupid to read the license, so yes, thank you for making that decision for me. Thinking makes my brain hurt! ;-)
I don't think that redhat will ever give an automated-updating package manager their full support.
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I started to disagree for some odd reason, but you're entirely correct. Doing Debian-like apt-getting would kill RH's CD sales. People like me would still buy CDs, since I live in Bumfuzzle USA with my blazing-fast 56k analog modem connection, but I tend to go the Cheap-Bytes route.
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Now Eazel and I belive helixcode are gearing up to offer subscription(money)-based automatic system updaters, and I remember hearing something similar from redhat at one point. But I doubt they will ever support one for free.
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One nice thing about Red Hat is that they make their distribution (at least the free software) available for download. You can pull a Mandrake and simply re-release RH with apt-get, YUP or whatever automatic dependency management you wish.
If I could find a server to throw stuff on, I wouldn't mind seeing this done.
RPM == Red Hat Package Manager
:-) You could make a system (now :-) as easy to use, and as coherent, and as logically laid out, package-wise, as Debian and use RPM. Hell, now, you can even use apt-get with this mythical RPM-based system.
Seriously, the reason Debian doesn't use RPM is because R=="Red Hat" IMHO. That's the vibe I get from some folks who're involved in Debian. "Ick, that's a RH thing," I've heard more than once.
Erm, yeah.
You're comparing a new OS to an OS that's been around since the early 90s. When Linux was getting started, people were mousing around in Win3.1.
Get over it, people. Linux is based on standards which, when used, make a "standard" UNIX-like system. Microsoft more or less invented their own OS. Linux is not Windows. Stop expecting it to cater to you and turn into Windows just because you don't want to learn.
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So how did these people learn about DOS/Windows? They just dick around until they figure out what works? No. They (people like my clueless father) get books on the subject and learn how to deal with the system. Is Windows 100% like a Mac? No? Then how the devil does Microsoft expect to take over the desktop marke....oh, wait.
The Linux world does NOT need to concentrate on turning Linux systems into Windows clones! You don't take the lead by following! If a distribution came about that supported hardware by installing Win32 drivers (supported, I guess, through Winelib), implemented a Win32-compatible Registry, and had a hacked version of KDE or GNOME that worked as a 100% clone of the Windows interface, it'd still be percieved as a piss-poor cheap-ass knock-off copy.
We need to WORK on EDUCATING people who want to try Linux, not leading them by the hand by making sure they don't have to learn anything new.
>LINUX USERS ARE NOT PROFESSIONALS, BUT THEY ARE PROFESSIONAL CRIMINALS!!!
Not only was that a poor attempt at a troll, but you failed to explain to me why I'm a professional criminal. You actually expect to throw around unsubstantiated rumors as fact, AND get clear, concise help from me? Fuck off.
>Grr, I wish I had cluons to throw at every Lunix moron who posts here.
Yeah, but how many people use C64's these days? I doubt I'll ever try out Lunix, since I was never a C64 owner. Perhaps you meant Linux?
Well, that's fine, but if you HAD the floppy drive and it was plugged in WRONG it would be a DIFFERENT, UNRELATED STORY (much like your reply.)
>You ever take into consideration that you're
>just around dumb people?
HAH! This may have been a troll, but that's my story through and through. I'm not all that intelligent, just had the dumb luck to be an average person among idiots most of my life. It's great that "make dep; make bzImage" can amaze the dumbest of morons. Watch 'em drool!
>if you download media with the copyright bit set
Huh? That implies the client has to set the bit. What do you mean?
>News for LINUX nerds. Stuff that doesn't matter to anyone else...
No SHIT, Sherlock! If that's a problem for you, look elsewhere! I'm serious! I really don't understand why the newer readership, too lazy to even log in, thinks they can whine, bitch, and moan their way into changing the focus of Slashdot! IT HAS ALWAYS HAD A LINUX BENT! GET OVER IT!
It's a word picked on by whiny assholes who just have to have first post and look for typos to do so. It sucks being 12, popping zits and knowing you won't get laid, ever, doesn't it?
>This is part of what is keeping Linux from
>reaching the mainstream.
And once again I have to ask: who's wanting Linux to "reach the mainstream"? What kills me is that mainstream media outlets like Ziff-Davis (and, of course, others) have people working for them who will lament about Linux not being user-friendly enough, preach to the developer masses about how poor a choice much of their software is for end users, and what do they do to help? Sorry, Appwatch doesn't count, guys.
If you're so #$@! smart and want a distribution that's perfect, throw some money at the problem.