Offopic here. To be fair, there are at least three definitions of Christians that I know of:
1. One who professes to believe in Jesus Christ as a savior figure 2. One who acts in a manner similar to who Jesus acted and lived, in his or her relationships with others. 3. One who belongs to a church or denomination that directly descends from the original, ancient Christian church, such as Catholics, protestants, etc.
I know of many folks of different denominations who fit into #1, but not #2 (we might call these hypocrites, but hey everyone is to a point). I know lots of people of all faiths and beliefs, even non-"Christian" who fit #2. Heck I know some atheists that fit #2. So if someone claims to be a Christian, I take them at their word, and hope they, above all, fit in #2, because everything else follows that.
That would make sense, except that government size and the current scale of spending is the result of folks on the right, largely. It's always boggled my mind to hear people call for smaller government and then vote in favor of things like the patriot act and new government departments like the DHS and TSA. The left may be accused of tax and spend, but the right is definitely about spending *and* tax cuts. Pretty amazing stuff.
I'm running ZFS with Solaris 10 on a SAN, and while I really like ZFS, I'm anxiously awaiting btrfs and will migrate to Linux the moment btrfs hits stable in RHEL 6. ZFS is good, but that doesn't mean that other file systems like btrfs don't have the potential to be better and cheaper.
One person in the forum claimed that he and his son witnessed this stunt. So it is likely the conviction was not based just on forum posts. The forum posts were merely the tip-off for the police. Unlike the American justice system, in Canada, it seems to get a conviction the prosecution still has to prove the case, even if the defendant admits something.
That's a great question. I don't know the answer to it. I think farmers will definitely be interested in the RR2 stuff. I am interested, especially if the yields really are higher. We have always bought seed rather than used our own for canola (more on that below). That said, Pioneer still competes pretty well for RR1 stuff on seed prices. And of course with RR1 we can rotate in another crop down the road like round-up ready soybeans and not worry about the volunteers. So there are trade-offs.
I don't think the issue of RR not working beyond the first or second generation is as much an issue with Canola. Unlike wheat which I can just clean and dump in the drill, Canola is a smaller seed, a bit more expensive to clean, and is typically bulked up for seeding. I could do all that myself, but (and I'm not as familiar with this aspect of our operation), it might not save us that much money. With RR2, though, there are opportunities for seed growers to multiply seed for RR canola without having to do the hybrid stuff, which is a lot more work. We have to plug off runs to make tram lines, rig the drill to seed male bales, and more herbicide is required.
So I could be very interested in multiplying RR2 seed if Monsanto made it worth my while. It sure would be easier. As I alluded to above, RR2 volunteers that come up in another RR crop would be a problem, but I'm sure it could be managed.
There is another herbicide-resistant Canola that the resistance lives on permanently. In order to buy seed, we sign a contract assuring the company we will not plant or otherwise hold back any of the seed we plant, even if we're just growing commercially. So that which cannot be protected by patents can be protected by contracts. That, of course, presupposes that the seed company keeps a lid on their seed. As the article shows, though, the genes do move into the wild very rapidly. I'm not sure the contract could hold if I decided to multiply volunteer seed 4 years down the road (yes canola can stay in the soil for that long). Any field that we've grown this Canola on in the last 10 years I can give it a good deep till and irrigate, and the resistant Canola will come up.
According to my Alaskan friends, Alaska could really use a couple of bridges to nowhere, and certainly the people who lived on the island the "bridge to nowhere" was to link to would have greatly benefited from being more connected with the mainland. In Anchorage itself, there were plans to build a bridge across part of the bay (I believe... I'm not familiar with the environs of Anchorage) to a place that is currently nowhere, so that they could build houses and neighborhoods there. Obviously there's nothing there now as it takes 2 hours by car to drive around to that spot.
So it's a bit disingenuous of Palin to jump on the ridicule bandwagon during the election as she undoubtedly was in favor of it before. The real controversy was the Stevens earmarks of course. But bridges to nowhere are often not as bad as the pundits make them out to by.
What makes you think the poster is subject to British laws? I got the impression that he, like the other poster, worked in a country other than the US, Britain, or EU.
The roundup-ready gene patent has already expired. We are currently multiplying roundup-ready Canola seed for Pioneer Seeds on a couple hundred acres.
The real issue isn't the patents at all but the fact that the scientists found was that these genes are now found in most of the volunteer Canola growing. And the volunteers were found in some cases miles from where any Canola has been grown in a farmers field. This tells us that not only is the round-up ready gene travelling to other plants naturally, it's also travelling tremendous distances. So we have to be careful what we do with genetic engineering. Much more careful than we thought we had to be in the past.
The fact that the specific round-up ready genes are in the wild volunteers doesn't bother me that much. If you have to use a herbicide in another crop, any broad-leef killer will work. The risk of Canola being a super weed is overblown. Canola is already fairly hardy and aggressive; these resistance genes don't really affect that that much. Grass can easily out-compete Canola. In fact I've see Canola deliberately planted in the ditches of newly-constructed roads because it gets going fast and provides ground cover to prevent erosion, etc. Then a year later the grass that was also planted has taken over and the Canola is gone, without any herbicides.
We're getting out of the GMO seed multiplication business, though. Mainly because it's hard to control volunteers in other crops such as peas, which can contaminate the seed crop; with commercial, we don't typically care that much about the volunteers. We'll still grow the GMO'd varieties, but commercially (for crushing, not seed multiplication).
Are you serious? Voice communications have no place in business? In almost all cases I can think of, I can either waste hours conferring with someone over e-mail and dealing with misinterpretations and unanswered questions (most business people are horrible readers), or I can pick up the phone and call someone and have everything sorted out within minutes. No misunderstandings, no delays. No place in business indeed.
How did this get rated insightful? I guess neither the mods nor you bothered to read the article.
These are hybrid vehicles. They aren't airships or balloons. It's not about lifting payload with gas alone; it's a lift hybrid system. The gas can offset anywhere from the weight of the vehicle to some percentage of the cargo. Thrusters and a lifting-body airfoil shape then provide the rest of the lift. From the research that has been done so far, this is feasible, practical, and economical. At this stage it is also economical to pump helium around to control the gas lift. Some designs use just fans to pump helium from large lifting bags into storage bags. Since the helium is at such a low pressure, it doesn't take much to move it and to change the buoyancy of the entire system.
Really, it's not as hard or as bad as you make out. It appears to be absolutely practical in the long run. And these guys have years of experience in this field now, which you do not, as near as I can see. In fact you just made up the stuff in your comment. Sounds good and logical, but what you said has no basis in the current facts of the field, and is certainly not relevant to the types of airships this company is designing. In the article one of the guys bemoans the fact that armchair airship "experts" such as yourself have a real negative impact on public perception of these hybrid air vehicles and negatively impact their ability to research this stuff.
There's just no logical reason to ascribe a majority of current climate change to anthropogenic causes.
Really? Whatever happened to simple logic. The warming, heat-trapping characteristics of CO2 are well documented. Over the last hundred years CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere have doubled. We're now burning more fossil fuels than at any time in history, releasing staggering amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere and our oceans. It's trivially provable that the CO2 concentration increase in our atmosphere is man-made. We can therefore say with a fair amount of certainty that a significant amount of the global warming trend is, in fact, caused by human activities. To deny this is pretty silly.
Indeed, it's only the third world--Africa, parts of Latin America, small island areas like Micronesia--which will certainly be negatively impacted. And while the humanitarian in me says, "It would be nice to help them," the realist in me says "Our civilizations got to the next level first. If the unadvanced civilizations wither away so that the advanced can prosper, that's how it should be."
Your attitude is the crux of the entire problem. It is *our* lifestyle that is causing significant problems for people who are in the worst possible shape to deal with the changes of climate change. Most of us in the first world can probably adapt. After all we have huge cities in deserts where it regularly gets above 110. We just turn on the A/C and go on with life. I'm sure would probably raise entire coastal cities so as to mitigate the problems of rising sea levels. But to just casually toss millions of people aside just because "we got there first" is incredibly selfish and borders on criminal.
For me Gizmo5 and sipgate.com provide all the VoIP services I used to use skype for. In fact when I combine Google Voice with either Gizmo5 or sipgate.com, and a Linksys 3102 SPA box, I can not only replace skype, but replace my land line as well. I also do most voice communication at home, so I ditched my cell plan and got a T-mobile prepaid plan. Now if I receive a call via GV on my cell phone, the moment I walk in the door I can transfer it to VoIP.
If I had an asterisk box set up, I could probably do GV-connected outbound calling automagically from my land phone. At the moment I place most calls via the web interface.
I know Skype can do IM and video chat, but frankly I never needed that. so yes, SIP is a good alternative. And ekiga can do both SIP and video chatting using open protocols. Works quite great, despite SIP's retardedness.
Can't let you get away with such an obtuse, Republican comment. You're deliberately missing the point and confusing the issue. The CO2 you breath out in the course of living isn't the problem. It's the net CO2 that's the problem. For thousands of years humans have been carbon neutral. You burn sugars produced by plants using photosynthesis to convert CO2 in the air to sugar. Zero net carbon increase in the environment. This is completely different from the millions of tons of CO2 that our modern manufacturing (heck even food production) now releases into the air that *wasn't there before*. Thus even a zero-emission car still required fossil fuels being burned to manufacture it. That's what he's talking about.
Plant genetics are such that the seed produced from the seed of a hybrid cross (second generation) will often not reproduce the hybrid traits that one would find desirable. It has something to do with the fact that plants are often haploid (four chromosomes instead of 2). So if you want to grow the same hybrid crop the next year you have to buy seed again, since the trait will often only last a generation.
Of course, this is certainly not true of selected breeding varieties. For example we've been breeding wheat for various traits for 3000 years now, and it certainly reproduces just fine. But certainly when you cross two varieties of canola, for example, you typically only get the hybrid traits in the first planting only.
Monsanto's seed breeding division makes most of their money on Canola as well. As a farmer I'm quite concerned about Monsanto's power in the industry.
I used to connect my HP 48 calculator to my linux machine via a serial port and used a terminal emulator on the 48 to log into the linux box and kill processes and stuff. Way more cool. And still portable!
It's practically impossible for you to create your own content without infringing on some copyright that we already own (since we own a copyright on practically anything that has been created or will be created), we are therefore protecting you from yourself by prohibiting you from giving away things for free. If you're a composer, you cannot create music without using at least one two-note sequence that we've already copyrighted. Very similar for books. We clearly have a copyright to the phrase "he said." And movies? Forget it. all the plots have been done already. We own them all. Pay up. It's only fair.
We're happy to negotiate a fair, royalty-based copyright license so you can release your derivative works. But to release your works for free is clearly not fair to us and not fair to our consumers. I mean your audience. We know you are an honest artist and will cooperate in our efforts to enrich the lives of every one of our members. I mean society as a whole.
If you can get them to text you once, it sets up a semi-permanent hashed phone number that you can not only text back to, but also call. Then they'll always see it as coming from your GV number. I do this all the time and it works great. I usually add the GV hash phone number to my address book as a secondary number. Just choose that when placing the call.
So basically you are saying someone is guilty until proven innocent with Spamhaus and other blacklists? I'm very conflicted over this. I despise spammers and think Spamhaus was in the right here, with regards to e360. But in general, blacklists seem to be guilty until proven innocent. Having had to go through steps on a couple of blacklists to prove that I a server I administer wasn't spammer, I know it can be frustrating. I don't have a lot of sympathy for e360 though, as it seems to me they really are spammers.
Not quite. A spring holds up something the same way anything else holds up an item. Like a table or chair. No work is being done. No energy is expended. Now if I want the spring to propel the object upward against gravity, I first have to compress it, requiring energy. Same thing with the levitating magnets. They don't actually do any work. If I want to use an electromagnet to fire a capsule into space, that requires roughly the same amount of energy as a rocket (though maybe not all required at once; it can ramp up).
This is the basic problem with the idea that there is a cheaper way to space using antigravs or some futuristic technology. You simply can't get a free ride against gravity no matter how you try to work it.
Maybe, but wouldn't they still require energy equivalent to the difference in acceleration? For example, if we could make antigravs, the energy needed to cancel out gravity would equal the energy needed to overcome it in the first place?
This is not quite correct. When the shuttle is retired, the Augustine commission claims there are a total of 17 SSMEs, which certainly could be used. But the assembly lines that produced the SSMEs were shut down years ago. Endeavour was largely built from spare parts, including the SSMEs that NASA had. So there's no assembly line to produce them and the trained workers are long gone. Besides the spares all we have are the plans. I don't think that the tooling even exists any more.
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Offopic here. To be fair, there are at least three definitions of Christians that I know of:
1. One who professes to believe in Jesus Christ as a savior figure
2. One who acts in a manner similar to who Jesus acted and lived, in his or her relationships with others.
3. One who belongs to a church or denomination that directly descends from the original, ancient Christian church, such as Catholics, protestants, etc.
I know of many folks of different denominations who fit into #1, but not #2 (we might call these hypocrites, but hey everyone is to a point). I know lots of people of all faiths and beliefs, even non-"Christian" who fit #2. Heck I know some atheists that fit #2. So if someone claims to be a Christian, I take them at their word, and hope they, above all, fit in #2, because everything else follows that.
Sounds like one who knows neither Muslims nor Mormons.
That would make sense, except that government size and the current scale of spending is the result of folks on the right, largely. It's always boggled my mind to hear people call for smaller government and then vote in favor of things like the patriot act and new government departments like the DHS and TSA. The left may be accused of tax and spend, but the right is definitely about spending *and* tax cuts. Pretty amazing stuff.
I'm running ZFS with Solaris 10 on a SAN, and while I really like ZFS, I'm anxiously awaiting btrfs and will migrate to Linux the moment btrfs hits stable in RHEL 6. ZFS is good, but that doesn't mean that other file systems like btrfs don't have the potential to be better and cheaper.
One person in the forum claimed that he and his son witnessed this stunt. So it is likely the conviction was not based just on forum posts. The forum posts were merely the tip-off for the police. Unlike the American justice system, in Canada, it seems to get a conviction the prosecution still has to prove the case, even if the defendant admits something.
That's a great question. I don't know the answer to it. I think farmers will definitely be interested in the RR2 stuff. I am interested, especially if the yields really are higher. We have always bought seed rather than used our own for canola (more on that below). That said, Pioneer still competes pretty well for RR1 stuff on seed prices. And of course with RR1 we can rotate in another crop down the road like round-up ready soybeans and not worry about the volunteers. So there are trade-offs.
I don't think the issue of RR not working beyond the first or second generation is as much an issue with Canola. Unlike wheat which I can just clean and dump in the drill, Canola is a smaller seed, a bit more expensive to clean, and is typically bulked up for seeding. I could do all that myself, but (and I'm not as familiar with this aspect of our operation), it might not save us that much money. With RR2, though, there are opportunities for seed growers to multiply seed for RR canola without having to do the hybrid stuff, which is a lot more work. We have to plug off runs to make tram lines, rig the drill to seed male bales, and more herbicide is required.
So I could be very interested in multiplying RR2 seed if Monsanto made it worth my while. It sure would be easier. As I alluded to above, RR2 volunteers that come up in another RR crop would be a problem, but I'm sure it could be managed.
There is another herbicide-resistant Canola that the resistance lives on permanently. In order to buy seed, we sign a contract assuring the company we will not plant or otherwise hold back any of the seed we plant, even if we're just growing commercially. So that which cannot be protected by patents can be protected by contracts. That, of course, presupposes that the seed company keeps a lid on their seed. As the article shows, though, the genes do move into the wild very rapidly. I'm not sure the contract could hold if I decided to multiply volunteer seed 4 years down the road (yes canola can stay in the soil for that long). Any field that we've grown this Canola on in the last 10 years I can give it a good deep till and irrigate, and the resistant Canola will come up.
According to my Alaskan friends, Alaska could really use a couple of bridges to nowhere, and certainly the people who lived on the island the "bridge to nowhere" was to link to would have greatly benefited from being more connected with the mainland. In Anchorage itself, there were plans to build a bridge across part of the bay (I believe... I'm not familiar with the environs of Anchorage) to a place that is currently nowhere, so that they could build houses and neighborhoods there. Obviously there's nothing there now as it takes 2 hours by car to drive around to that spot.
So it's a bit disingenuous of Palin to jump on the ridicule bandwagon during the election as she undoubtedly was in favor of it before. The real controversy was the Stevens earmarks of course. But bridges to nowhere are often not as bad as the pundits make them out to by.
What makes you think the poster is subject to British laws? I got the impression that he, like the other poster, worked in a country other than the US, Britain, or EU.
The roundup-ready gene patent has already expired. We are currently multiplying roundup-ready Canola seed for Pioneer Seeds on a couple hundred acres.
The real issue isn't the patents at all but the fact that the scientists found was that these genes are now found in most of the volunteer Canola growing. And the volunteers were found in some cases miles from where any Canola has been grown in a farmers field. This tells us that not only is the round-up ready gene travelling to other plants naturally, it's also travelling tremendous distances. So we have to be careful what we do with genetic engineering. Much more careful than we thought we had to be in the past.
The fact that the specific round-up ready genes are in the wild volunteers doesn't bother me that much. If you have to use a herbicide in another crop, any broad-leef killer will work. The risk of Canola being a super weed is overblown. Canola is already fairly hardy and aggressive; these resistance genes don't really affect that that much. Grass can easily out-compete Canola. In fact I've see Canola deliberately planted in the ditches of newly-constructed roads because it gets going fast and provides ground cover to prevent erosion, etc. Then a year later the grass that was also planted has taken over and the Canola is gone, without any herbicides.
We're getting out of the GMO seed multiplication business, though. Mainly because it's hard to control volunteers in other crops such as peas, which can contaminate the seed crop; with commercial, we don't typically care that much about the volunteers. We'll still grow the GMO'd varieties, but commercially (for crushing, not seed multiplication).
Are you serious? Voice communications have no place in business? In almost all cases I can think of, I can either waste hours conferring with someone over e-mail and dealing with misinterpretations and unanswered questions (most business people are horrible readers), or I can pick up the phone and call someone and have everything sorted out within minutes. No misunderstandings, no delays. No place in business indeed.
How did this get rated insightful? I guess neither the mods nor you bothered to read the article.
These are hybrid vehicles. They aren't airships or balloons. It's not about lifting payload with gas alone; it's a lift hybrid system. The gas can offset anywhere from the weight of the vehicle to some percentage of the cargo. Thrusters and a lifting-body airfoil shape then provide the rest of the lift. From the research that has been done so far, this is feasible, practical, and economical. At this stage it is also economical to pump helium around to control the gas lift. Some designs use just fans to pump helium from large lifting bags into storage bags. Since the helium is at such a low pressure, it doesn't take much to move it and to change the buoyancy of the entire system.
Really, it's not as hard or as bad as you make out. It appears to be absolutely practical in the long run. And these guys have years of experience in this field now, which you do not, as near as I can see. In fact you just made up the stuff in your comment. Sounds good and logical, but what you said has no basis in the current facts of the field, and is certainly not relevant to the types of airships this company is designing. In the article one of the guys bemoans the fact that armchair airship "experts" such as yourself have a real negative impact on public perception of these hybrid air vehicles and negatively impact their ability to research this stuff.
Really? Whatever happened to simple logic. The warming, heat-trapping characteristics of CO2 are well documented. Over the last hundred years CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere have doubled. We're now burning more fossil fuels than at any time in history, releasing staggering amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere and our oceans. It's trivially provable that the CO2 concentration increase in our atmosphere is man-made. We can therefore say with a fair amount of certainty that a significant amount of the global warming trend is, in fact, caused by human activities. To deny this is pretty silly.
Your attitude is the crux of the entire problem. It is *our* lifestyle that is causing significant problems for people who are in the worst possible shape to deal with the changes of climate change. Most of us in the first world can probably adapt. After all we have huge cities in deserts where it regularly gets above 110. We just turn on the A/C and go on with life. I'm sure would probably raise entire coastal cities so as to mitigate the problems of rising sea levels. But to just casually toss millions of people aside just because "we got there first" is incredibly selfish and borders on criminal.
For me Gizmo5 and sipgate.com provide all the VoIP services I used to use skype for. In fact when I combine Google Voice with either Gizmo5 or sipgate.com, and a Linksys 3102 SPA box, I can not only replace skype, but replace my land line as well. I also do most voice communication at home, so I ditched my cell plan and got a T-mobile prepaid plan. Now if I receive a call via GV on my cell phone, the moment I walk in the door I can transfer it to VoIP.
If I had an asterisk box set up, I could probably do GV-connected outbound calling automagically from my land phone. At the moment I place most calls via the web interface.
I know Skype can do IM and video chat, but frankly I never needed that. so yes, SIP is a good alternative. And ekiga can do both SIP and video chatting using open protocols. Works quite great, despite SIP's retardedness.
Can't let you get away with such an obtuse, Republican comment. You're deliberately missing the point and confusing the issue. The CO2 you breath out in the course of living isn't the problem. It's the net CO2 that's the problem. For thousands of years humans have been carbon neutral. You burn sugars produced by plants using photosynthesis to convert CO2 in the air to sugar. Zero net carbon increase in the environment. This is completely different from the millions of tons of CO2 that our modern manufacturing (heck even food production) now releases into the air that *wasn't there before*. Thus even a zero-emission car still required fossil fuels being burned to manufacture it. That's what he's talking about.
Unlike on Firefox, AdBlock for Chrome doesn't actually block the ads from loading. It simply prevents them from displaying.
Plant genetics are such that the seed produced from the seed of a hybrid cross (second generation) will often not reproduce the hybrid traits that one would find desirable. It has something to do with the fact that plants are often haploid (four chromosomes instead of 2). So if you want to grow the same hybrid crop the next year you have to buy seed again, since the trait will often only last a generation.
Of course, this is certainly not true of selected breeding varieties. For example we've been breeding wheat for various traits for 3000 years now, and it certainly reproduces just fine. But certainly when you cross two varieties of canola, for example, you typically only get the hybrid traits in the first planting only.
Monsanto's seed breeding division makes most of their money on Canola as well. As a farmer I'm quite concerned about Monsanto's power in the industry.
I used to connect my HP 48 calculator to my linux machine via a serial port and used a terminal emulator on the 48 to log into the linux box and kill processes and stuff. Way more cool. And still portable!
Nah. I think Steven Colbert got it right when he said, "reality has a well-known liberal bias."
It's practically impossible for you to create your own content without infringing on some copyright that we already own (since we own a copyright on practically anything that has been created or will be created), we are therefore protecting you from yourself by prohibiting you from giving away things for free. If you're a composer, you cannot create music without using at least one two-note sequence that we've already copyrighted. Very similar for books. We clearly have a copyright to the phrase "he said." And movies? Forget it. all the plots have been done already. We own them all. Pay up. It's only fair.
We're happy to negotiate a fair, royalty-based copyright license so you can release your derivative works. But to release your works for free is clearly not fair to us and not fair to our consumers. I mean your audience. We know you are an honest artist and will cooperate in our efforts to enrich the lives of every one of our members. I mean society as a whole.
Apollo was actually large enough to fit 5 astronauts in a pinch, so that the crew of the skylab space station could be rescued.
http://history.nasa.gov/SP-400/p104.htm
If you can get them to text you once, it sets up a semi-permanent hashed phone number that you can not only text back to, but also call. Then they'll always see it as coming from your GV number. I do this all the time and it works great. I usually add the GV hash phone number to my address book as a secondary number. Just choose that when placing the call.
So basically you are saying someone is guilty until proven innocent with Spamhaus and other blacklists? I'm very conflicted over this. I despise spammers and think Spamhaus was in the right here, with regards to e360. But in general, blacklists seem to be guilty until proven innocent. Having had to go through steps on a couple of blacklists to prove that I a server I administer wasn't spammer, I know it can be frustrating. I don't have a lot of sympathy for e360 though, as it seems to me they really are spammers.
Not quite. A spring holds up something the same way anything else holds up an item. Like a table or chair. No work is being done. No energy is expended. Now if I want the spring to propel the object upward against gravity, I first have to compress it, requiring energy. Same thing with the levitating magnets. They don't actually do any work. If I want to use an electromagnet to fire a capsule into space, that requires roughly the same amount of energy as a rocket (though maybe not all required at once; it can ramp up).
This is the basic problem with the idea that there is a cheaper way to space using antigravs or some futuristic technology. You simply can't get a free ride against gravity no matter how you try to work it.
Maybe, but wouldn't they still require energy equivalent to the difference in acceleration? For example, if we could make antigravs, the energy needed to cancel out gravity would equal the energy needed to overcome it in the first place?
This is not quite correct. When the shuttle is retired, the Augustine commission claims there are a total of 17 SSMEs, which certainly could be used. But the assembly lines that produced the SSMEs were shut down years ago. Endeavour was largely built from spare parts, including the SSMEs that NASA had. So there's no assembly line to produce them and the trained workers are long gone. Besides the spares all we have are the plans. I don't think that the tooling even exists any more.