I think this is a case of de minimis and police are only going after this low hanging fruit to be seen to be doing something. If they were the criminal masterminds behind organized attacks maybe it'd be justified but these appear to be just contrarian teenagers and obnoxious a-holes (aka. a cross-section of regular internet users.) To waste resources on what boils down to a PR exercise during a crisis is just stupid.
All this is going to do is jail some armchair revolutionaries. The police should be out on the street beating and arresting the scum who are torching houses and looting businesses, of course that might be dangerous so they'd better not. Pathetic.
In fact, this device is based on rumors of the iPhone 5. Which means the chinese company doing this has had to design the case, the electronics and the software themselves. I don't think they're using the same components at all - so other than possible design, everything in the hiPhone5 is completely original.
Put in that context, it's more interesting ot see the state of original Chinese designs moreso than copycat.
Have you ever seen one of its predecessors ? They aren't indicative of Chinese engineering (at least I don't hope so for their sake.) Hiphones are just cheap generic phone innards mashed into a case resembling genuine Apple devices (or in this case mockups thereof) with a skinned UI. At least they did as good a job as Samsung ripping off the icons;-) but they are otherwise just really crappy.
Apple open sourced Darwin.. What came of that? It was an empty gesture. Apple gets to look like they're giving back, when clearly they're only willing to take from the community.
No Apple user in his right mind wants to go use Darwin+X11 so it's not very visible. But actually the open sourced XNU kernel has been hacked extensively by the people in the hackingtosh community sprouting one fork and a bunch of hacks.
Then there's the webkit, which apple developed from the khtml base and which is now used by virtually every smartphone out there. Is that not giving back ?
A few individual companies suing each other over patent disputes is one thing. When Apple is going out and suing ANYONE who has anything to do with an Android phone (which is raping the iPhone in sales and market share), that's using litigation over innovation.
An oldie but a goodie, this graphic should be updated but it shows the problem doesn't lie with Apple but with the general state of mobile computing at the moment. Everyone is suing everyone else, a side effect of mobile being the most competitive business out there at the moment (a good thing.) Apple is just more visible because everything they do is news, apparently.
As to Android "raping" Apple in marketshare, all Android manufacturers combined have 38% of the market while Apple by itself owns 27% of the market and a whopping 50% of the profits. That's a pretty comfortable position. Worst comes to worst, long term they end up with something resembling their mac marketshare now, another profitable business if not a cash-cow.
As for innovative products? I'm not sure what you're talking about when they make minor improvements to hardware without adding new features (usually - they did finally put a front facing camera on) and copying OS features from other mobile OS's..... I had an iPhone a couple years ago when it was the best and most innovative thing out there - now it's not, so I moved on.
That's the Apple Way(tm), great leap forward followed by incremental improvement. That's why they spent a decade tweaking the iPod and why you find people who don't get it bitching about the (perceived) lack of new features in OSX releases. What Apple don't do is feature bloat, in many cases they even prefer to cut rather than to add. Personally I like it but many don't, especially the more hardcore spec-obsessed geeks. Thing is, taking away things and improving the UI and user experience is also innovation. For an example look no further than Google Search's famously uncluttered interface which was innovative in its portal-riddled day (though possibly accidentally so.)
If Windows Phone 7 turns into the best mobile OS with the best hardware next year, I'll ditch Android for WP7. I'm not a fanboy - I go with who's producing the best product for the best price. Sadly, Apple fails on both counts - but I blame that on Lord Jobs arrogance in knowing that he can literally sell dog shit with an Apple sticker on it (iShit) and fanboys will pay hundreds of dollars for this (literally) useless piece of shit. Why innovate when your core customer base is so religiously devoted to you that they will always unquestionably buy anything you tell them to?
Saying you're not a fanboy (I really hate that word, it's the "nigger" of the geek world), and then spouting off nonsense like "Lord Jobs", "iShit", "religiously devoted", etc doesn't jive. Keep it rational and factual. You and I have a different idea of what makes up the ideal smartphone that's all. All these insults just confuse and inflame.
I get the joke, it's because people such as yourself seem to be taking that joke seriously I responded. Of course Apple do continue to put out what many consider to be superior and innovative products and you completely ignore the fact Samsung did exactly the same thing to Apple, or tried to at least (it was every bit as ineffectual as Apple's effort will ultimately be.) What you see now in Apple's response is why you don't tease the lion.
I meant that Microsoft (allegedly) runs dirty campaigns through companies set up just for that purpose. That's not what Apple does, or what most companies do for that matter. Most companies have a grievance, real or imagined, and they arrange a deal or go to court. So if LG set up this company for the sole reason of patent trolling without it reflecting directly on LG, that'd be closer to Microsoft's' (alleged) actions.
A patent troll is company that doesn't create any products but whose sole purpose is to generate revenue by suing people for infringing on patents they own. That's about as far from Apple as you can possibly get.
At least Apple do their own suing without creating patent troll companies to do it for them. If it is true LG are behind this, the modus operandi is more like Microsoft than Apple. Anyway I couldn't care less, this is simply the way in which business is done these days it's no longer newsworthy.
Did you miss the part where the consortium that bought those Nortel patents recently included not only Apple but also Sony, RIM and Ericsson. What makes you think all those companies you mentioned are willing to be dragged into a patent war by Google ? I see these guys licensing WebOS or heaven forbid Windows Phone 7 before being dragged into that kind of insanity.
Yep, this is the great horror that awaits Android should the apocalypse happen and "Android lose the patent war" (who comes up with this shit?) Google would have to pay license fees (just like every other company out there) and pass them on to handset makers, oh the humanity !
Anyone who grew up on computers with 64k of memory or less that doesn't marvel at the sheer engineering that goes into an iPad has no soul. The thing still blows my mind everyday.
After years of having "internet" buttons and the like on my cell phone, which was just code for "charge me a lot of money for something that does't really work when I hit it accidentally" I am a fan of Apple's approach. In fact I'm mystified by Android approach to put a mess of buttons for specific functionality right there on the front of the device. It seems like a throwback to a less happy time to me.
Before the iPad was officially announced, there was speculation it would start at $1000. And people were ready to buy it at that price point. The fact you can get them now for less than half of that is amazing.
Crucial point that shows what brilliant bastards Apple has working for them: they were so confident they had a winner they priced the iPad so sharply that they took away their competitions' only edge, price. Love them or loathe them, and plenty of people here loathe them, that was a ballsy move and one that paid off. No one can touch them on price so they forced the consumer into a comparison: do I get the iPad or the would be contender for the same or higher price ? Now HP and Android vendors alike have stooped to discounting their offerings which only makes them look like also-rans: get the real deal, or buy this one "real cheap !!!" "limited offer!!!" "buy now!!!" "as long as stocks last!!!" (who are they kidding.)
Yeah, tech "journalists" and scienticians. To go from "lighting up the same are in the brain" to "being a religion" is ridiculous. Page filler and link bait.
The list of suspects that could pull this kind of operations is pretty small: US, Russia, China and maybe Israel and of those China and Russia are the most credible. But I don't expect anyone to make a fuss even if it was known. At that level, that's all hush-hush diplomacy.
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I think this is a case of de minimis and police are only going after this low hanging fruit to be seen to be doing something. If they were the criminal masterminds behind organized attacks maybe it'd be justified but these appear to be just contrarian teenagers and obnoxious a-holes (aka. a cross-section of regular internet users.) To waste resources on what boils down to a PR exercise during a crisis is just stupid.
No, the people out on the street rioting are the richer middle class whites. The "haves" are always ready to take just a little more.
Really ? Because from the footage I've seen they look like chavs to me.
All this is going to do is jail some armchair revolutionaries. The police should be out on the street beating and arresting the scum who are torching houses and looting businesses, of course that might be dangerous so they'd better not. Pathetic.
That kind of shit is one step below the goatse trolls.
In fact, this device is based on rumors of the iPhone 5. Which means the chinese company doing this has had to design the case, the electronics and the software themselves. I don't think they're using the same components at all - so other than possible design, everything in the hiPhone5 is completely original.
Put in that context, it's more interesting ot see the state of original Chinese designs moreso than copycat.
Have you ever seen one of its predecessors ? They aren't indicative of Chinese engineering (at least I don't hope so for their sake.) Hiphones are just cheap generic phone innards mashed into a case resembling genuine Apple devices (or in this case mockups thereof) with a skinned UI. At least they did as good a job as Samsung ripping off the icons ;-) but they are otherwise just really crappy.
Apple open sourced Darwin.. What came of that? It was an empty gesture. Apple gets to look like they're giving back, when clearly they're only willing to take from the community.
No Apple user in his right mind wants to go use Darwin+X11 so it's not very visible. But actually the open sourced XNU kernel has been hacked extensively by the people in the hackingtosh community sprouting one fork and a bunch of hacks.
Then there's the webkit, which apple developed from the khtml base and which is now used by virtually every smartphone out there. Is that not giving back ?
These things come with crap called a "java based OS." They stink.
It'd be interesting if they came up with a clone that could actually run iOS.
They have (well Taiwan has, which is sort of China.)
Ah yes, but can we truly "know" anything. Your honor, I call Socrates to the stand.
Seriously though, the thieving bastards are innocent until proven guilty and apparently no wrongdoing on their part can be proven.
A few individual companies suing each other over patent disputes is one thing. When Apple is going out and suing ANYONE who has anything to do with an Android phone (which is raping the iPhone in sales and market share), that's using litigation over innovation.
An oldie but a goodie, this graphic should be updated but it shows the problem doesn't lie with Apple but with the general state of mobile computing at the moment. Everyone is suing everyone else, a side effect of mobile being the most competitive business out there at the moment (a good thing.) Apple is just more visible because everything they do is news, apparently.
As to Android "raping" Apple in marketshare, all Android manufacturers combined have 38% of the market while Apple by itself owns 27% of the market and a whopping 50% of the profits. That's a pretty comfortable position. Worst comes to worst, long term they end up with something resembling their mac marketshare now, another profitable business if not a cash-cow.
As for innovative products? I'm not sure what you're talking about when they make minor improvements to hardware without adding new features (usually - they did finally put a front facing camera on) and copying OS features from other mobile OS's..... I had an iPhone a couple years ago when it was the best and most innovative thing out there - now it's not, so I moved on.
That's the Apple Way(tm), great leap forward followed by incremental improvement. That's why they spent a decade tweaking the iPod and why you find people who don't get it bitching about the (perceived) lack of new features in OSX releases. What Apple don't do is feature bloat, in many cases they even prefer to cut rather than to add. Personally I like it but many don't, especially the more hardcore spec-obsessed geeks. Thing is, taking away things and improving the UI and user experience is also innovation. For an example look no further than Google Search's famously uncluttered interface which was innovative in its portal-riddled day (though possibly accidentally so.)
If Windows Phone 7 turns into the best mobile OS with the best hardware next year, I'll ditch Android for WP7. I'm not a fanboy - I go with who's producing the best product for the best price. Sadly, Apple fails on both counts - but I blame that on Lord Jobs arrogance in knowing that he can literally sell dog shit with an Apple sticker on it (iShit) and fanboys will pay hundreds of dollars for this (literally) useless piece of shit. Why innovate when your core customer base is so religiously devoted to you that they will always unquestionably buy anything you tell them to?
Saying you're not a fanboy (I really hate that word, it's the "nigger" of the geek world), and then spouting off nonsense like "Lord Jobs", "iShit", "religiously devoted", etc doesn't jive. Keep it rational and factual. You and I have a different idea of what makes up the ideal smartphone that's all. All these insults just confuse and inflame.
I get the joke, it's because people such as yourself seem to be taking that joke seriously I responded. Of course Apple do continue to put out what many consider to be superior and innovative products and you completely ignore the fact Samsung did exactly the same thing to Apple, or tried to at least (it was every bit as ineffectual as Apple's effort will ultimately be.) What you see now in Apple's response is why you don't tease the lion.
The stars symbolize the bulls assholes.
I meant that Microsoft (allegedly) runs dirty campaigns through companies set up just for that purpose. That's not what Apple does, or what most companies do for that matter. Most companies have a grievance, real or imagined, and they arrange a deal or go to court. So if LG set up this company for the sole reason of patent trolling without it reflecting directly on LG, that'd be closer to Microsoft's' (alleged) actions.
A patent troll is company that doesn't create any products but whose sole purpose is to generate revenue by suing people for infringing on patents they own. That's about as far from Apple as you can possibly get.
At least Apple do their own suing without creating patent troll companies to do it for them. If it is true LG are behind this, the modus operandi is more like Microsoft than Apple. Anyway I couldn't care less, this is simply the way in which business is done these days it's no longer newsworthy.
Did you miss the part where the consortium that bought those Nortel patents recently included not only Apple but also Sony, RIM and Ericsson. What makes you think all those companies you mentioned are willing to be dragged into a patent war by Google ? I see these guys licensing WebOS or heaven forbid Windows Phone 7 before being dragged into that kind of insanity.
You think Apple doesn't pay license fees to other companies for all the stuff they cram into an iPhone ? Why should Google get a free ride ?
Yep, this is the great horror that awaits Android should the apocalypse happen and "Android lose the patent war" (who comes up with this shit?) Google would have to pay license fees (just like every other company out there) and pass them on to handset makers, oh the humanity !
Anyone who grew up on computers with 64k of memory or less that doesn't marvel at the sheer engineering that goes into an iPad has no soul. The thing still blows my mind everyday.
After years of having "internet" buttons and the like on my cell phone, which was just code for "charge me a lot of money for something that does't really work when I hit it accidentally" I am a fan of Apple's approach. In fact I'm mystified by Android approach to put a mess of buttons for specific functionality right there on the front of the device. It seems like a throwback to a less happy time to me.
Before the iPad was officially announced, there was speculation it would start at $1000. And people were ready to buy it at that price point. The fact you can get them now for less than half of that is amazing.
Crucial point that shows what brilliant bastards Apple has working for them: they were so confident they had a winner they priced the iPad so sharply that they took away their competitions' only edge, price. Love them or loathe them, and plenty of people here loathe them, that was a ballsy move and one that paid off. No one can touch them on price so they forced the consumer into a comparison: do I get the iPad or the would be contender for the same or higher price ? Now HP and Android vendors alike have stooped to discounting their offerings which only makes them look like also-rans: get the real deal, or buy this one "real cheap !!!" "limited offer!!!" "buy now!!!" "as long as stocks last!!!" (who are they kidding.)
I misunderstood then, I agree completely with what you said.
Yeah, tech "journalists" and scienticians. To go from "lighting up the same are in the brain" to "being a religion" is ridiculous. Page filler and link bait.
You've been working in the wrong places.
Hah, well at least I'm still moderately gruntled :-)
The list of suspects that could pull this kind of operations is pretty small: US, Russia, China and maybe Israel and of those China and Russia are the most credible. But I don't expect anyone to make a fuss even if it was known. At that level, that's all hush-hush diplomacy.