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OS X Lion Ships With Faulty NVidia Drivers
TeaCurran writes with this mildly ranty objection to the most recent Mac OS X update; several friends who have made the leap on their MacBook Pros have various other complaints, too, including system slowdowns that resemble crashes (except that their pointers still work) and recurring black screens for some configurations (with or without the kernel panics TeaCurran mentions) — what's been your experience? "Apple OS X Lion shipped with new NVidia video drivers that are causing anyone with a mid 2010 Macbook Pro to get a kernel panic every 5-10 minutes. Apple knew about the issue before shipping lion, hasn't responded to the issue, and is censoring posts in their support forum that mention words like 'boycott' and 'petition.' NVidia has responded that the drivers are the responsibility of Apple so they won't deal with the issue. How a major hardware manufacturer can ship such a faulty product without getting much press about it is completely beyond me."
This isn't the first time this has happened.
http://saveie6.com/
Oh, yeah? I'm posting this on a mid-2010 17-inch MacBook Pro with an Nvidia card. I've been running Lion developer previews for months, and the only time I've ever have graphics problems is when I'm playing a game and the system gets too hot because my room isn't well-ventilated. In fact, Lion could be the most stable first release of any OS X operating system. I regularly play World of Warcraft, Starcraft II, Borderlands, Left 4 Dead 2, and Team Fortress 2 without issue.
Nvidia isn't saying that nothing will get fixed. Apple works with Nvidia on their drivers. What Nvidia is saying is simply that they can't provide technical support. Removing posts about goofy boycotts and petitions is just clearing out nonsense posts in what is supposed to be a support forum. Apple's support forums are some of the silliest, whiniest forums on the web, and you'll rarely find useful information from the users there.
I also question the claim that "Apple knew about the issue before shipping Lion," as if there's some big conspiracy that Apple knew it was going to cause your machine to black-screen but didn't care. Give me a break.
Because the issue only affects a tiny segment of customers. If, as you claim, every single person with a mid-2010 MBP was getting kernel panics every 5-10 minutes, that would be major news. Like most customers with technical problems, you're acting like it's a bigger deal than it is and that it's affecting more people than it is. Installing a new operating system is a major procedure that can uncover previously invisible problems lurking on a person's computer. That's why, every time there's a console firmware update, you'll see a bunch of posts from people claiming the updates ruined their machines.
"How a major hardware manufacturer can ship such a faulty product without getting much press about it is completely beyond me."
It is easy to explain... Apple is the Obama of the tech world.
Have been occurring recently in windows for anyone with a 8000, 9000, or 200 series Nvidia GPU. The latest version of the source engine (currently used in TF2 and Portal 2) triggers it quite reliably every 10-20 minutes.
My MBP 2010 has this problem. Hoping 10.7.1 fixes it, or it's back to Snow Leopard Apple.
Not a big deal, every computer does this. Just put a big rubber casing around it and you'll be fine.
When you're writing a driver you're working to the specifications provided by the manufacturer. I know from experience these can be correct.
So even if it is Apple's code you can't really blame them if they've written their driver to dodgy specs.
Seems like there is problems with software that uses the GT 330M on my machine extensively, an example is autocad.
anecdotal evidence of single experiences are given as credible information. One laptop != significant indication of reliability, or lack there of. We've got a couple nVidia-equipped machines that are working fine too, but that doesn't mean there isn't a problem, despite my vast Lion user base of four users currently testing the OS.
Remember, Apple is better than Windows because it "Just Works".
These are not the faulty drivers you're looking for.
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Haven't experienced this with my 2009 unibody with an nVidia card on Lion, but it does not seem like I should be expecting to either.
In any case, I have Windows on bootcamp if bugs in Lion ever become an issue. Unlike Lion which only has partial OpenGL 3.2 support, I get full OpenGL 3.3 support on the windows side, so I'm on there for my graphics coding projects anyway.
One of the reasons for choosing a Mac over a PC is that it is the responsibility of Apple and you do not need to worry about drivers and incompatibilities. Its in all in an integrated platform where you plug it in and work.
This issue of responsibility of hardware driver issues is why Windows sucks and also why Windows XP is still popular. People are afraid to upgrade their pc's with the OS that it came with. You are rolling dice when upgrading drivers or operating systems.
http://saveie6.com/
Apple OS X Lion shipped with new NVidia video drivers that are causing anyone with a mid 2010 Macbook Pro to get a kernel panic every 5-10 minutes.
Uh, what? I've yet to see a MBP with Lion getting a KP. Do editors really fall for this obvious linkbaiting?
Fanboy much?
No no no, you don't get it. It's not a problem, it's just trendy to have your computer freeze after a few minutes - it shows the world how much of a free spirit you are.
No kernel panics here. I did have a tooth-gnashing amount of irritation with an update needed for Adobe CS5, but aside from that misadventure (which took a couple of hours of swearing to put right), Lion has been a giant snooze. No overheating, no bashing and thrashing, no sudden power issues. In fact, "snooze" is probably the right word, since I haven't yet found anything about it to impress me, either.
"Here's what's happening. You're starting to drive like your Dad..." - Red Green
So the shipped drivers suck... you can download updates from Nvidia can't you?
What Nvidia is saying is that they can't provide technical support.
oh wait...
Apple is intuitive, stylish, and their software just works. They think differently.
If you're claiming that Apple fans think the hardware and software is flawless, you've obviously never visited MacRumors, AppleInsider, and other Apple forums. Apple customers are the whiniest critics in existence and will complain about mismatched colors at the pixel level (granted, the guy I'm talking about was an interface designer, but still).
But yes, all the high-level qualities about Apple are true, which is why they have such a devoted fanbase and billions of dollars in the bank.
Good luck getting this addressed, my mid 2009 MBP can't use any SATA-II drives (even though it's a "supported" technology for this model) because of a broken EFI firmware update (1.7) and it's been almost 2 years since they released it without a fix. Apple hasn't released a supported way of rolling the firmware back so I could at least use my "supported" after market hard drive either (even at SATA 1.5 speeds, I'd be happy). Despite threads on apple's forums thousands of posts long with affected customers, Apple still hasn't addressed the problem...
You do realize that Apple use a lot of open source software in their products? For instance, basing it on FreeBSD.
I've been using computers since the 70's. I've seen every major manufacturer have problems over the years. Despite protests to the contrary, Apple is not immune. This is not the first time they've had software issues. It won't be the last. It doesn't make them any different than any other computer supplier. That's just the way things go.
But software issues aren't the real problem. The real problem is right here:
Apple knew about the issue before shipping lion, hasn't responded to the issue, and is censoring posts in their support forum that mention words like 'boycott' and 'petition.'
Censoring technical discussions? Removing posts?
Seriously?
This is the kind of crap that really opens up Apple for criticism. Sure, it's a problem. But you deal with it by coming out and saying "we know we have a problem, we're going to fix it". Some people will rant and rave. Some people will take the initial problem as an excuse to boycott Apple products in the future. Most likely though, people who cry "boycott" will calm down in a few minutes and accept the software upgrade push to fix the problem. After all, consumers are quick to be incensed but they're easily mollified by good customer support. That is, until Apple goes and deletes their posts. That's exactly what you want to not do. Everyone is going to see you do it. You're going to generate tons of bad publicity by yourself and you're going to drive away customers who would have otherwise accepted the fix when it's available.
This is an incredibly bad move on the part of Apple. I can't understand why in the world they would do it. That is, unless the stereotypes are true about no one being allowed to criticize Apple. And if that's the case, it's no wonder they're never able to break out of their niche.
No problems here with Lion so if there is something up with Nvidia drivers its not affecting my machine
I've been running OSX Lion with the machine on 24/7 since release day on my 2010 unibody MBP and I've experienced no crashes whatsoever. Lion is a bit slower than Snow Leopard was for some UI tasks, but the new Mission Control task/desktop switcher more than makes up for any other inconvenience.
Biggest issue I had was that my LiveScribe Desktop wasn't working, but as of today that has been fixed, so now: no complaints whatsoever.
STOP . AMERICA . NOW
13" Mid-2010 MBP here... running Lion since dev builds... no kernel panics. I have however, gotten the slowdown issue... and other visual glitches (especially when scrolling)... my take: if you need rock-solid reliability, stick with Snow Leopard until 10.7.1 is out. Otherwise, if you can stand occasional oddness, and like to play with cool new things - sure give it a go.
And if you do get those kernel panics every 5 min, take it back to Apple and complain - either make them give you your $30 back and re-install Snow Leopard for you, or make them fix what I presume is an underlying hardware problem.
all the early adopter of "OS X Lion" for beta testing the OS for me.
It's a bug, the vendor is behaving badly and attempting to control the media. What should be happening is ... apple is like religion....
It's a bug, the vendor should be apologising and assisting users.
In short apple users you should be taking your money elsewhere where the vendor treats you with respect but
Apple is like religion, if you criticise you're a heretic, where reality and marketing differ you must accept marketing and worst of all is the viewpoint that the rest of the world are deluded and need saving. Worst of all is that you can't bring yourself to objectively look at the problem, instead you justify the relationship using some past event.
above is "2010 MBP here, with Lion, no problems" over and over again, including the same thing from myself.
Looks like the results of this straw poll are in, and they are that the story is BS and /. has been had once again.
STOP . AMERICA . NOW
I haven't seen the kernel panics myself, but I have seen several 2010 MBPs come in with bad video cards. If you go to an Apple Authorized Reseller, not to an Apple Store, you may get to hear someone say "Yes, we know of the issue and will fix it for you." Apple Retail Stores are specifically told to never admit that there's a fundamental problem with an Apple design, even when there is (Like the old iBook's video card seating issue). I'm just assuming Lion's hitting the card a little bit harder and the hardware flaws are showing up finally. Do all the kernel panics say "NVRM[0/1:0:0]: Read Error 0x00000100: CFG" to start? If so, you better drag that computer in and force Apple to do something about it.
Apple is intuitive, stylish, and their software just works. They think differently.
Are saying iTunes is either not software or not from Apple? Because it certainly is not intuitive, stylish, not just works
Weird.
It's not just some magical marketing trick that people fall for. Apple actually does things a bit different, their approach is an interesting one. I don't know any Apple user who claims their computers and other devices are perfect or never have problems. That seems to be the impression that non-Apple users get...somehow they believe Apple users think their stuff is flawless, but no one actually thinks that.
Periodically an Apple product has a newsworthy issue, and then the critics come crawling out of the woodwork, screaming "See! Apple sucks!" while leaving out the glaring fact that there's a lot fewer and less horrible issues than any product from say Dell or HP. I'm not even an Apple-only person and I think it's silly the things non-apple folks believe about Apple products.
The link to "Apple censoring posts" leads to a 30 page discussion on Apple's site. They're terrible at censorship, apparently!
I've seen SOME strange video behaviour since upgrading (usually when resizing a window) that I assumed was driver-related, but I haven't had any panics or lockups. Why do Mac users always blow issues like this way out of proportion?
Apple will release a video of Steve Jobs showing you how to hold the computer properly.
If Apple tried tries to hide their issues, why is the newest Apple store (The Americana in Glendale) getting 50 chairs at the Genius Bar?
Try iTunes on a Mac.
OSX pwns.
I am running Lion on a Macbook Pro, it is a mid 2010 model I believe, though I am not really anal enough to care. I upgraded it to Lion after about 3-4 months on the developers release and haven't had any issues at all. I also upgraded my 2009 iMac and my wife's 2008 white Macbook. The only issue with any of them has been changing the mouse scrolling back to _MY_ natural scrolling way!
"My immediate reaction is "WTF? What kind of moron doesn't make things 64-bit safe to begin with?" Linus
I wish I had mod points - I would have given you +5 for use the term "get off the sauce"!! LOLOL!!!
"My immediate reaction is "WTF? What kind of moron doesn't make things 64-bit safe to begin with?" Linus
I have an HP desktop which is about 4 or 5 years old. It has nVidia GeForce 7100 onboard grapuics. A lot pf the big name Distros keep shipping their Linux Distros with that nueveau driver and all I get is a torn up tiled, pixelated screen! The 273 driver works fine. Apple isn't the only one with problems. The HP I have was sold by a lot of large retailers like Walmart, so there has to be a boat load of these out there.
Apple computers do 'just work'. There is nothing wrong with Lion. Lion is perfect. I haven't upgraded yet, but I know it's perfect because Apple made it. If some users computers are crashing because of the nvidia drivers, it's the fault of the user - they are just using their computers wrong.
FU apple for telling me to hold my iphone 4 'correctly'
FUD.
Or is that only something Linux users can do?
"...How a major hardware manufacturer can ship such a faulty product without getting much press about it is completely beyond me."
Clearly you don't understand the point (goal) of censorship then, do you?
Given that mac's tend to use the same hardware etc... it would make sense that ALL systems would experience the same problems, or at least most if they're firmware/hardware revisions were the same. However I think their support departments don't provide people support at all. How about providing those people some help, like moving to a pc and running a real OS like linux mint :) I'm just waiting until people get tired, not of the company making mistakes, but rather not owning up to them like a real man. Any other company that makes mistakes, apologizes, tries to assist people, and restore their image rather than comb their hair back and say "I don't know what you're talking about". I can say I don't like mac, not because of their girly products but because the attitude they have towards their own customers, as if the customer isn't #1, or even #10. The way a person is practically reprimanded for wanting to be just a little different. I want to almost say it's hitler-like.
I'm having problems on a late 2010 MacBook Air. I'm a new mac user, and have been very satisfied with hardware and OS (some things I don't like about OS X, but that's another story). I've updated to Lion mainly for the full disk encryption feature.
I've been having multiple crashes, in different forms. There are a lot more slow downs than with Snow Leopard (I basically didn't have any) and some of those slow down's turn into crashes or permanent unresponsiveness. Last one, safari suffered one of these slow downs upon opening a new tab, this disabled the menu bar, changing to another application enabled it and I could go to the "Force Quit" option (didn't know the shortcut yet), Force quit menu didn't appear, another application stopped responding, etc. Always the same cascading effect until the system is unusable.
I'm kind of pissed at this, specially considering how well the system worked before.
Having a lot of money in the bank is not necessarily proof that those "qualities" are true. It could also be that they are very good at marketing their products and that's why they have that money. A devoted fan base? plenty of other platforms have a fan base and those high level qualities are nowhere to be seen (as in Justin Bieber).
It appeals to you - but their "software just works" is BS (i've seen this problem with one of the few macs I have available in the office). Intuitive? Certainly debatable, stylish, maybe.
Are there forced to use apple hardware vs there own test rigs?
Is the lack of good priced desktop tower makeing driver coding for fail under the windows / Linux side that has systems that start at $500-$700 that let you add in a good video card / use a PCI-E video card VS $2500 on the mac. In the past with G4 and G5 there where lot's of mac ATI and nvidia cards + card flashing.
Do they get new apple hardware before others?
Can they make chip family based drivers or does apple force them to code a driver for each small different spin of the chip.
Do they have the full OSX source or just what other dev's get?
Do they have to use apple roms? even if just for testing?
can they just use any EFI base roms? even if just for testing?
Can they use flat drivers like how the windows ATI / NVIDIA drivers are?
No other software ships with unintended bugs. Especially code as inherently complex as an a modern operating system.
Which is exactly the reason I tend to stick to the previous version when a new feline hits the streets until Apple kicks a couple of point releases out of the door. Users who want bleeding edge tend to, well, bleed from time to time.
I noticed this last night. Whenever I scroll, the process owning the window suddenly jumps eats 50% of its core. I found a thread on macrumours.com about the very same symptom. Nvidia 330 GT. It's scrolling, for crying out loud. My Macbook is a 6,2 (don't remember when in 2010 it was released). It doesn't crash, but it doesn't work particularly smooth either. I don't know if it's related to my configuration or not, but the whole GUI crawls when I compile something large, even after making sure that the Nvidia card is always on.
I am using a 2010 Macbook Pro 17" with Lion as we speak, and so far, no sign of any graphics driver issues? The kernel panics and black screens described sound pretty typical of an overheating video chip to me, and we've certainly seen it before with a defective batch of nVidia mobile GPUs across many product lines.
Did they release some defective GPUs again in the 2010 Macbook Pros, perhaps? Or maybe some of them just have too much heatsink paste applied, causing inefficient cooling? Lots of possibilities here, but as others have said -- this definitely is NOT a major issue that Lion users are running up against. This is the first I've heard of it despite combing Apple related forums on a daily basis.
The same problem happened when people started upgrading their laptops to Windows Vista (and 7) and using the Aero interface. It put a much greater strain on the video cards and the increased heat pushed some people's systems over the edge and they started crashing. A lot of them were older laptops that likely had a lot of dust and grime built up in their system and fans that were starting to fail.
Is there something about Lion that would cause it to put a greater strain on the GPU during normal usage? I have a MacBook Pro from around that time but haven't bothered to update it to Lion since I don't really use it all that often anyway.
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Far too many report problems when the Mac wakes from sleep where it either does not reconnect to the WiFi it knows about or connects for only a short while and loses connection after. Fix is quite simple, turn the airport off and on but it is so annoying.
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My '06 Mac Pro (with 7300GT and 8800GT cards, each driving one display) started acting up after the 10.6.8 update. It would start up and run fine, but performance would drag down after an hour or so, accompanied by various graphical and refresh glitches. After poking around a bit, I found that an error message regarding the NVidia driver was getting written to the system log file every time something on the 7300GT's portion of the desktop was updated. If anything animated was put on that display, the system would grind to a halt and pinwheel.
My solution was to move both displays to the 8800 and remove the 7300 from the system. While it's possible the card itself failed during or shortly after the 10.6.8 update, I suspect Apple pushed a driver update with 10.6.8 to make sure it worked properly before the big jump to Lion (10.7). This suspected update is less than stable on the 7300's 5 year old graphics architecture. Maybe they dropped the 7300 off their list of compatible hardware, or maybe they rushed the update and didn't take the time to fully test it. If the latter, the MacBook problem could be another hardware combination they missed.
iTunes on my 2011 MBP with SSD is without a doubt the slowest piece of software on my system. It is consistently the slowest to load, and slowest to run. It is not some magical experience on OSX, iTunes sucks horrbly over here too.
Go back and read some of the comments mac bois have compared windows to apple, or android to iphones. They WILL tell you only what their gut tells them to. It doesnt matter if you introduce opposing evidence, it rolls off their back like water on a duck.
Then there is a major release like this... or jailbreaking ipods via a pdf (Holy shit Batman) and they will always lay the blame somewhere else. That in and of may be fair, except for the fact that they also control every aspect of your mac "experience". Since they are solely in control of said "experience", and since users had to pay two to three times more for the computer, then the operators of the experience are the only ones who will ever recieve fault. If you take all the credit for the product, then you take all the blame for its failure.
On why most people hate mac fanbois in particular:
Say you have a friend who loves imax movies. He raves about how great they are all day long. You prefer your streaming service. Then every time your internet burps or your OS acts funky there he is laughing at you. Telling you how much better his shit smells. Then there comes the day when his imax movie is closed because the hard drive it was stored on (I assume they dont use reels for movies anymore) failed. Perhaps it was the HD manufacturers fault. You are still going to get your chuckle in that cause his "experience" was ruined.
FreeBSD is good though, it's just Linux that's shit.
how easy is it for the user to fix thins? can a user go to nvidia and simply download a different driver? or does it all have to move through Apples hands?
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I am posting this from a mid-2010 MBP running Mac OS Lion. Been stable as a rock. Certainly no kernel panics. Everything Just Works(tm), just the way it is supposed to. I *did* take the precaution of re-installing from scratch -- my MacOS install dated all the way back to Tiger (been updated every year or two as new MacOS versions come out or I get a new Mac), and was starting to get a bit unstable due to accumulated cruft. Gave me an excuse to upgrade to that new 7200 rpm 750gb hard drive anyhow :).
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Oh come on, everything ships with faulty nvidia drivers--everything. A non-faulty driver for nvidia does not exist.
since installing the 2 software updates Apple released to prep Snow Leopard before installing Lion. My VMWare Fusion freezes, and spits out an exception with log detail about video. So I've held off on Lion.
I have the Mid-2010 MBP with Nvidia.
"Apple is intuitive"
No, it is NOT intuitive.
"stylish" true
" their software just works"
apparently not.
"illions of dollars in the bank."
If money is an indicator, then I guess Windows makes the best OS of all.
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-Rant Warning- Try talking to someone who has owned a late 2006 Apple product with the ATI X1600 video card how happy they are with Apple service. My iMac 5.1 has been dying a slow death for about two years now, and I've a few friends with MacBook Pro with the same freezing and screen artifact issues I've been getting on my 20" iMac. This was first all in one machine I've ever bought (not counting laptops and PowerBooks) and I'm kicking myself because the video card is soldered in place on this over heating piece of acrylic. As a point of reference I've got a PowerMac 8600 and a G4/400 AGP that run great still - And my old Zeos 486/66 DX2 with the Pentium OverDrive chip and 2MB VESA graphics still runs like new... Along with a few SGI O2's, a SparkStation 5, a PowerBook 170 and on-and-on.... Drives are expected to wear out, but I've never really had a computer screw up like this iMac at only two years old. -End Rant-
change it.
Well, I hate it as much as the next guy but it really comes down to this. Windows boxes get all the fun of Virus, Malware, Bugs (yes I run Win 7 at work and yes it has bugs). Mac users get this and the everpresent wall around everything they want to do. Lets not forget about price. Macs are way over the average price of comparable PC Hardware. Software from my experience is about on par for most things. Aperture, photoshop, office, etc... Linux has the fun of trying to learn the interface and a lot of commands. I have lots, and lots of experience with all three btw. So, what you gonna do ?
"Computers are a lot like Air Conditioners" "They both work great until you start opening Windows"
If I try to run my Unibody MacBook with 8 Gigs of RAM, the video drivers cause a kernel panic every time I watch video or do anything with OpenGL graphics. I had to go back down to 6 Gigs for the sake of stability. But I'd really like to be able to run 8 Gigs, so I hope they update the driver and think about those of us who bought MacBooks in 2009. :(
Posting this on a 15" MBP with a Nvidia GeForce GT 330M I purchased in Sept 2010. Been running Lion since launch day. No issues.
I've got a Mid 2010 i7 15" MBP, 8GB RAM and an SSD. It's got a NVIDIA GT330M card in it, and I've been running Lion full-time since the GM seed was put out on 7/1. I've also used all the DPs from another boot drive I have in it (I took out the DVD drive and installed a smaller SSD). Lion has had some issues, but never a graphics-related lockup. That's both using the built-in display and also connected to a LED Cinema Display. No graphics issues at all.
In fact, the only problems I've really had were that Pogoplug's software doesn't work, my older copy of PDFpen Pro crashes, and the Cinema Display now makes a "popping" noise the moment it initializes when I hotplug it (that wasn't the case on Snow Leopard). Otherwise Lion's easily the most solid 1.0 release I've ever used.
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Apple is intuitive, stylish, and their software just works.
iTunes. Q.E.D.
I've seen support requests that make me doubt the sanity of mac users, they complains for days icons are not round enough and similar shit, check out this gem from a disgruntled mac user:
I don't like that fact that you guys chose to put Big Bright Red Distracting Bars on the icon on MY computer with no way to change it or remove them. This is my computer and I shouldn't have to have an annoying icon on it that distracts me and has wasted hours of my time trying to figure out how to replace them. I am not the only one. See this forum post if you want to see how many people hate it. Just so you know, its probably thousands of people who hate it. I talked to a bunch of people who think it looks "broken" or "paused" or "cheap". I understand that it is your logo, but it doesn't have to be on the programs icon itself
Lots of posts, but just checking in.
2010 macbook pro running Lion and haven't seen this happen once.
The funny thing is that his guy could change the logo to be whatever he wanted if he was using Windows...
So I have a mid2010 macbook pro and I've been running lion since preview 2 and have never experienced a kernel panic ......
Start your engines, flick your lighters and douse petrol, here we go!
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We don't need to test our software on our limited range of software.
I loaded Lion about 5 days ago on my 3 GHz dual core iMac (with Nvidia card) and after a total of maybe 24 hours of use, tonight it generated a kernel panic, overwrote the screen with the console message, and froze up.
I strongly suspect Lion's Nvidia driver problem covers more than just MacBooks.
Funny as yesterday, instead of upgrading to Lion, I humiliate ;-) myself to install Xubuntu 64 1104.
It has been a year waiting, after hardisk failure, but results are impressive, I hope to ditch macosx asap. linux native is better than virtualbox.
Don't want to pay for Micro$ tax, end up macosx, its os is a pain but their hardware is fantastic.
I'm thrilled to go around with my PowerLinux desktop.
Do not get stuck with AppStore, choice are there, pick the one which fits you!
I have a mid 2010 macbook pro, it has the nvidia graphics and is running lion... It doesn't crash every 5 minutes, and has been up since the time i actually installed lion about 5 days ago.
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didn't influence those decisions to yank all those products. He seems to be pushing the company more towards the end user across all of their product lines.
As to whom he expects to make the content and with what tools I am not so sure.
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Both my 2009 Macbook and 2010 Mac Mini have graphical glitches since "updating". Dragging icons to different windows causes static to appear for a split second over the destination window. Strangely enough the Macbook has an NVidia card whilst the Mini has an integrated Intel one.
I updated to Lion on my 13" last model hi end Air, it's been a mess. Slows things down and every once in a while it could take up to 10 seconds to zoom a window. It was working fine before. I just bought the 11" Air and no trouble so far with Lion. I may need to clean install the 13" instead of upgrade. I feel like I have Microsoft on my machines. Apple has a very limited hardware configuration compared to what MIcrosoft has to deal with, how can they screw this up?
Oh yes, and when I bought the 13" Air last year and performed a "migration assistant" from my old Air to my new Air, it blue screened and bricked the old Air. It's been that way for a year because I don't have time to mess with it. It's a really nice paperweight.
I've found Office 2011 for Mac to be far less stable on Lion. There is a bug somewhere in cut-and-paste that crashes the applications every third time or so and other times when trying to cut and paste, "insufficient memory"
Lion also alphabetized the contents on my desktop and Preview feels slower. I regret upgrading.
You guys still running Lion? I just upgrade back to Snow Leopard.
I have an early 2010 MBP 15" i5 with 8GB of RAM, but I've been having these video issues with nVidia drivers crashing now and then even before Lion, but with lion it is impossible for me to use nVidia gfx at all. I have to manually force it to intel graphics in order to not get a KP every few minutes. So please don't say there are no problems. And I know I'm not the only one.
Apple didn't write the original iTunes codebase. It started life as a neat little program called SoundJam which Apple bought up back in 2000 and actually worked pretty well when all it had to do was keep your Mp3's organized on your iPod.
The real problems started when Apple introduced the iPhone in '07 and, by extension, iOS, using iTunes should be the hub for organizing iOS apps and other content. At that point, iTunes started growing like a tumor, being forced to incorporate features that the original SoundJam architecture was just never designed to accommodate. It's gone from version 7.3 to 10.4 trying to keep up--39 updates/upgrades in four years (yeah, I counted).
There's no saving it. Apple needs to create a new app from scratch (which I'm sure they'll call "iTunes").
nVidia announced a new driver (I think just this past June 2011) that addressed issues of a similar sort that I experienced under Linux with KDE4 and desktop effects enabled: Mysterious freezes, starting at a few seconds and working their way up to 30 to 45 seconds if I was patient enough. This was with the 270.41.06 driver.
I cannot say whether the issues are related, but but given that they affect KDE4 but not GNOME, I suspect that there could be specific ways in which both OS/X and KDE4, but not GNOME, interact with the driver to trigger the bug.
In any case, two possible solutions to look into are (1) upgrade the driver, or (2) disable desktop effects.
--Udo.
It is one thing for a company like Microsoft to ship bad drivers, when the plethora of machine configurations they support is unimaginable. Apple on the other hand has a relatively small number of target configurations. In this case, only the Intel based machines they have shipped. And while there are dozens to be sure, Apple has the money to create a QA lab with one (or more) over every machine configuration ever shipped. I have the original 8-core 3.0GHz Xeon Mac Pro, which only has two non-Quadra video options. About two years back I upgraded to the more desirable card. Ever since I have been having intermittent trouble with my system. It has DVI out the back, which I convert with an adapter to PC-VGA and send off to my 42" Hi-def monitor (TV) at 1920x1080. Now and then when I reboot the system, it display a dialog saying the video mode is unsupported, and comes up at a lower (and distorted) resolution. Sometimes if I go into the system configuration and do the "detect" option, it realizes the better mode and things get better. Since I upgraded to Lion, it has a new and dreadful problem that it either works, or it comes up with a small band at the top of colorful multi-colored speckles, and the lower majority of the screen is filled with binding garish bands of primary colors, and the machine never achieves a stable video mode, although I can ssh into the machine from elsewhere, so it is making it into a higher run level, even though the screen is useless. Having no access to the screen, it is hard to reconfigure or diagnose the problem. As there is no convenient downgrade procedure for the OS, I am left with a very painful resolution of shelling into the machine and doing my best to save all important data, and ultimately reload the earlier OS. That will be hugely painful as I have to reload a significant number of software packages, some of which were installed on line. Running my Mac Pro in 1920x1080 with their supported video adapter and having it fail is unsatisfactory, and my applecare expired recently without an option to renew. However this gets fixed, it is a lot of trouble, and may in fact cost me a lot of money to resolve. COME ON APPLE ;-|
My MBP was upgraded when Lion released. I have seen a handful of annoyances. I have an external monitor attached via the mini display port adapter, and I have considerable trouble dragging a window to the upper screen. Sometimes it just works, and sometimes I have to take it to the upper right corner and it slips through. I have also seen A LOT of SPINNING BALLS that last many seconds or MINUTES. This is new since LION and is very disheartening. According to resource monitors I have plenty of memory available and it is unclear what the resource issue is. I also have had problems where the machine won't come out of sleep, and needs to be hard reset and rebooted, which I have to do, and have not previously needed to do an my mbp. Living on a fixed income I am not in a position to replace my Mac hardware needlessly. On the other hand, my Mac Pro, although several years old, is a 3GHz Xeon machine with 8-cores and 16-GB of ram (although some days it reports as 14GB). I should think my MacPro still has the legs to run Apple's contemporary operating system, and although I can no longer by Apple Care (it's been three years), I shouldn't need to replace a mac of that class already.
As you can with OSX (at least through SL, haven't tried it in Lion), but you (or your admin) must give yourself permission first. More funny or tragic is that any run of the mill malware can also change the logo to anything it wants, if using Windows.
The freezing problem is big on iMac 2010 and 2011 machines with ATI graphics. After coming out of sleep mode, and trying to play any GPU accelerated video decompression (IE: Flash or Quicktime H.264) the system will freeze. You can move the mouse, sometimes still hear the audio, but you can click on anything, the screen is frozen. The only solution is to hard reset the machine. I've been on top of this issue from day one, on the Apple discussion forums, and I was able to get TUAW and 9to5Mac to publish articles about it. Most people can't believe Apple is simply ignoring it. I called AppleCare and had to go through all those hoops to prove it's a driver issue in Lion, it was supposed to get elevated to an engineer, and they simply won't call me back. No word, no update, no patch. Thanks Apple. -Former Loyal Customer Since 2006
What is this malware you speak of? I've had my Windows 7 machine for about a year now and haven't had any kind of virus on it yet. Maybe people just need be to taught how to take care of their computers.
Me too. No infections with my Win 7 machine that I know of, with a little over a year experience. No sticky infections for my XP or Vista machines either, and I leave them up and networked all the time. Unlike many people using PCs and practically all people using Macs I keep them updated, and make sure that I have a working copy of an antivirus going at all times. But I use them strictly for business and I find it pretty easy to spot fake updates, and never install software and drivers unless I absolutely trust the source. I'm pretty paranoid. Most people seem to be trusting and hate UAC, and anything they perceive as slowing down their experience including AV software. So I wind up helping 6 or more people a month clean their Windows computers, some of these are Win 7, I don't seek this business, they track me down.
And yes, even users that do everything right still get infected. I get one of those every other month or so, with no attack vector I can find, other than zero day google ad exploits, through IE 8 or Firefox. And some people who I thought had compromised their system by turning off UAC, though they denied it, and I doubted their ability to figure out how, may not have been the blame after all.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9218916/Malware_turns_off_Windows_UAC_warns_Microsoft?taxonomyId=17
Anyway, good move getting Win 7. I'm hoping to get everyone I know to get new machines with Win 7, that is those who don't want an iPad or Mac. Win 7 machines are much less trouble. Mac and IOS machines, are a bit better IMHO, zero trouble from malware, and lesser trouble of any other kind. Ironically the users if anything are less trained, and do absolutely nothing to protect themselves. So yes, maybe people need to be taught how to take care of their computers, or get one that doesn't require so much care.
I have one of these MacBooks, use it heavily for 12 hours a day since I purchased it within days of their arrival as anew model, I've had no problems before and no problems since Lion (installed on the day of release).