Hopefully this will create some political impetus for Linux to support this too... and hopefully not only on ia-64 and xp-64
According to the kernel devs I asked, it's already been supported on Linux for quite some time. What you're actually seeing is Yet Another Linux Marketing Failure.:(
also on x86 and ppc
Dunno about ppc, but it's impossible to do in x86 hardware. There are patches around to do it in software, but they're not in the mainstream kernels. You or your distro are free to use them, however.
I did file it with bugzilla, and posted on the forums too. Just hope it gets fixed now;)
Cool. I'm gonna point the dev list at your posting, just to refresh their memories (as soon as I get another dev list email so I can remember the address....:)
Really? OO 1.1 on windows refused to allow a dash... Guess it's a windows thing then?
Could be. Just to make sure, what was the exact title you tried, and where did you set it? [e.g. was it the filename?]
We set up checkoff sheets for product installations, and we have like 700 sheets in a workbook, and many of them have to print with slightly different settings, which makes this a very very annoying bug...
Please file this with bugzilla; the best way to get things changed. That, and might want to bring it up in the forums and/or mailing list.
That and you can't have a "-" in the name of a worksheet. That one I just don't understand...
I just did. OOo 1.1.0 under Linux. Maybe I'm not setting the same things you are?
Yeah. 'Cause apt-get dist-upgrade or emerge -u world or double-clicking the RedHatNetwork icon (or whatever Mandrake and SuSE have) is so difficult. ^_~
those user-created shortcuts disappear after logging out each day.
That's fine; it's a one-time thing to get the plugins to make Moz more useful for mainstream sites (Flash, Java, etc.) I was taking a great guess and assuming that your Admin didn't install Netscape. [Actually, mine did and I just copied the plugins].:)
This is getting back to last week's discussion on how stupid security policies just cause users to bypass security to get their work done.
Have you tried using the Mozilla Zip file version, as opposed to the installer version? Essentially, install goes like:
Download the Zip file containing Moz to My Documents or something (should be under the release page for Mozilla)
Unzip the file to somewhere in My Documents
Optionally, bring in a floppy or something with the plugins for Moz (or copy them from where they might be installed with Moz; getting them from a Netscsape install is optimal, since they're then self-contained). Put the plugins in the plugins sub-directory in your new Mozilla directory.
Go to the new Mozilla directory, and run Mozilla!
I used it to put Moz on the Windows Ex-Privacy machines at my uni with just my user account. Naturally, you can't change the "System Access Preferences" or whatever it's called since it'd be completely assinine for anyone but Administrator to let the user choose what browser they prefer to use....
I'm reusing my old Pentium II 400 MHz box as a PVR. I'm throwing down the cash for the WinTV PVR 350, since it does both hardware and software compression, which is the reason you need a beefy box to do it (and is why TiVos can get away with not being beefy).
The only other costs are going to be a wireless card for it (since running a wire in plaster-lath walls between floors would be a huge PITA), and a hard drive if I decide the ones I have are too small. It'll come out to be about the price of a Tivo box alone--if I end up getting a 60-120GB hard drive.
If I werent' getting anything but the WinTV card, it'd be on par with the weakest TiVo they offer before subscription costs.
Add to that the fact that I can integrate it seamlessly into my home network including my audio file server, and the fact that I can upgrade any part of the hardware or software I want (actually, when I can afford it, I'm going to be migrating it to a miniITX), and it's a really sweet deal.
And your competitor gets the same ability without even having to pay for ths software.
No, your competitor has no advantage over you in a FOSS situation. (if you pay for the FOSS, that is kind of even, since what you lose in money you gain in support and additional features and software).
They can either buy a software pack (software + support) from someone and use the source, or go the 100% freeware route and just get the source. No advantage lost to or gained over a competitor, unless the competitor is using proprietary commercial software.
If the competitor is using proprietary commercial software, then not only did they pay for the software, but when the vendor changes the software (effectively, forks it), they can either:
keep at the current version until the vendor stops supporting it and hope that they don't hit any latent bugs or security holes that won't be patched anymore
accept the direction the vendor is taking them and hope that the vendor goes out of business so they can get the source code from escrow (they hope; doesn't always work)
switch all of your existing data and programs over to another system, costing quite a chunk of money
While you, using FOSS, can, in the case of a fork,
stick with the original tine
go with the new tine
mix old and new to suit your needs
stick with what you currently have and backport security fixes (effectively, maintain your own fork)
use the fact that any file formats and APIs are completely open to migrate to a different system
I don't know about you, but from a tactical standpoint (i.e. disregarding the quality and feature set of the programs themselves) I see a big advantage using FOSS, either with or without paying.
Seriously if you can do this I might consider switching to Linux as it stands now I only use linux for DNS and Apache. No Other programs do I seriously trust.
Why do you not trust OpenOffice, Mozilla, KDE, and other programs? They're what I use; I only have a Windows VMWare setup for tax software (until the tax software vendors get up to the 21st century).
In what respect do you not trust?
FWIW, I don't see code forking as being a hazard. You then get a choice of where to go from where you are. With commercial software, you get no such choice--you like where the vendor takes you or you have to jump ship to another system (see also, Microsoft and people not being able to jump ship to Linux because of being locked in to Microsoft formats and proprietary systems (e.g. Windows).)
Everyone in the world seems to be evaluating Linux on the desktop. And why not? It makes perfect sense. At most, you get a viable alternative to Microsoft; at worst, you get discounts from Microsoft.
Well, let me correct that. Everyone in the world but in the United States. Why is it that the US companies and organizations (starting with the ^$!* Universities!) are the only ones blind to the potential of FOSS (and the interaction between FOSS and a RAIS (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Students) hacking on it!), or at least to the fact that Microsoft will give them a discount if they at least look at the competition?
I run WineX 3.2 on 2.6.0-test11 (there is no test12, fwiw). Works beautifully, even on my ancient 450MHz K6-2.
An important thing to note when optimizing is that things that expand code size can result in cache misses (due to the size of the code) much more readily, resulting in slower code. I would recommend not unrolling loops unless they're Small, and running with -Os.
Calculon (does 2d&3d charts and also allows you to change variables to see how it affects things, etc. I don't think it integrates, although I may be wrong)
Formulae 1 (for writing formulae and recording 'em; I don't think it does a whole lot of calculations, but I could be wrong. Note that it requires Java)
Finally, there's QPlot, which is essentially a frontend to bc.
I'm suggesting Americans are self centered and think poorly of the rest of the world.
Interesting. Is this your honest opinion? 'Cause I can tell you right now that
not all segments of the US are self-centered and think poorly of the rest of the world. Indeed, those segments are small and in-line with the corresponding nationalistic segments of the rest of the world.
Each country has segments of approximately equal size (percent-wise) of nationalists. So, while the US certainly has its share, so do the other nations of the world
And why do Americans think being Liberal is bad?
Not all do. Again, your incorrect stereotypes of a generally fine people are showing (please NOTE that I am not comparing the US'ians to any other people. Country of residence is not generally a strong predictor of the quality of person, if such can be measured.) I, for one, am more mid-range. There are many, many mid-rangers in the US. There are many conservatives who think liberals are bad. There are many liberals who think conservatives are bad. Just as there are in, say, Germany (CDU versus SPD, for example).
The reason I included "Liberals" in the list is because Liberals tend to look at their country in a harsh light (otherwise, they'd not be arguing for change and thus would be Conservative, or resisting change). Liberals in the US tend to look upon the US with a very harsh light indeed.
Have you been to the US and really lived here, or are you going by what movies, TV, the sites you frequent, and your friends say? 'Cause really, the US ain't nearly so bad as you're portraying it.
I think I need to put up a new sig: Given enough personal experience, all stereotypes are shallow.
I hope you're not suggesting Americans are stupid. You must be (European, Canadian, Asian, Middle-Eastern, African, generally not-USian, Liberal, yyy), eh?;)
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Hopefully this will create some political impetus for Linux to support this too... and hopefully not only on ia-64 and xp-64
According to the kernel devs I asked, it's already been supported on Linux for quite some time. What you're actually seeing is Yet Another Linux Marketing Failure. :(
also on x86 and ppc
Dunno about ppc, but it's impossible to do in x86 hardware. There are patches around to do it in software, but they're not in the mainstream kernels. You or your distro are free to use them, however.
Aaaah. I for some reason thought you were talking about the filename or workbook name.
I get the same problem you do. Don't know why that is, though. The Help says only letters, numbers, and spaces are valid. Odd.
I did file it with bugzilla, and posted on the forums too. Just hope it gets fixed now ;)
Cool. I'm gonna point the dev list at your posting, just to refresh their memories (as soon as I get another dev list email so I can remember the address.... :)
Really? OO 1.1 on windows refused to allow a dash... Guess it's a windows thing then?
Could be. Just to make sure, what was the exact title you tried, and where did you set it? [e.g. was it the filename?]
the object model in Open Office is completely different, if it exists at all.
UNO. Learn it, love it. :)
We set up checkoff sheets for product installations, and we have like 700 sheets in a workbook, and many of them have to print with slightly different settings, which makes this a very very annoying bug...
Please file this with bugzilla; the best way to get things changed. That, and might want to bring it up in the forums and/or mailing list.
That and you can't have a "-" in the name of a worksheet. That one I just don't understand...
I just did. OOo 1.1.0 under Linux. Maybe I'm not setting the same things you are?
pivot tables == data pilot.
:)
learn it, love it.
Oy linux, though, pain in the arse. ~_^
Yeah. 'Cause apt-get dist-upgrade or emerge -u world or double-clicking the RedHatNetwork icon (or whatever Mandrake and SuSE have) is so difficult. ^_~
those user-created shortcuts disappear after logging out each day.
:)
That's fine; it's a one-time thing to get the plugins to make Moz more useful for mainstream sites (Flash, Java, etc.) I was taking a great guess and assuming that your Admin didn't install Netscape. [Actually, mine did and I just copied the plugins].
This is getting back to last week's discussion on how stupid security policies just cause users to bypass security to get their work done.
Yup. And how Management is Dumb.
Have you tried using the Mozilla Zip file version, as opposed to the installer version? Essentially, install goes like:
I used it to put Moz on the Windows Ex-Privacy machines at my uni with just my user account. Naturally, you can't change the "System Access Preferences" or whatever it's called since it'd be completely assinine for anyone but Administrator to let the user choose what browser they prefer to use....
Anti-Trust Penalties my ass.
Newp. I'm seeing the full url in the proof-of-concept page using Mozilla 1.4.
I'm reusing my old Pentium II 400 MHz box as a PVR. I'm throwing down the cash for the WinTV PVR 350, since it does both hardware and software compression, which is the reason you need a beefy box to do it (and is why TiVos can get away with not being beefy).
The only other costs are going to be a wireless card for it (since running a wire in plaster-lath walls between floors would be a huge PITA), and a hard drive if I decide the ones I have are too small. It'll come out to be about the price of a Tivo box alone--if I end up getting a 60-120GB hard drive.
If I werent' getting anything but the WinTV card, it'd be on par with the weakest TiVo they offer before subscription costs.
Add to that the fact that I can integrate it seamlessly into my home network including my audio file server, and the fact that I can upgrade any part of the hardware or software I want (actually, when I can afford it, I'm going to be migrating it to a miniITX), and it's a really sweet deal.
And your competitor gets the same ability without even having to pay for ths software.
No, your competitor has no advantage over you in a FOSS situation. (if you pay for the FOSS, that is kind of even, since what you lose in money you gain in support and additional features and software).
They can either buy a software pack (software + support) from someone and use the source, or go the 100% freeware route and just get the source. No advantage lost to or gained over a competitor, unless the competitor is using proprietary commercial software.
If the competitor is using proprietary commercial software, then not only did they pay for the software, but when the vendor changes the software (effectively, forks it), they can either:
While you, using FOSS, can, in the case of a fork,
- stick with the original tine
- go with the new tine
- mix old and new to suit your needs
- stick with what you currently have and backport security fixes (effectively, maintain your own fork)
- use the fact that any file formats and APIs are completely open to migrate to a different system
I don't know about you, but from a tactical standpoint (i.e. disregarding the quality and feature set of the programs themselves) I see a big advantage using FOSS, either with or without paying.Seriously if you can do this I might consider switching to Linux as it stands now I only use linux for DNS and Apache. No Other programs do I seriously trust.
Why do you not trust OpenOffice, Mozilla, KDE, and other programs? They're what I use; I only have a Windows VMWare setup for tax software (until the tax software vendors get up to the 21st century).
In what respect do you not trust?
FWIW, I don't see code forking as being a hazard. You then get a choice of where to go from where you are. With commercial software, you get no such choice--you like where the vendor takes you or you have to jump ship to another system (see also, Microsoft and people not being able to jump ship to Linux because of being locked in to Microsoft formats and proprietary systems (e.g. Windows).)
Erm, why buy overpriced MSOffice, plus bibiography software, when you could just use LaTeX and get reliable typesetting?
At least where I'm at (Iowa physics grad school), most of the people around me use LaTeX for document creation.
Everyone in the world seems to be evaluating Linux on the desktop. And why not? It makes perfect sense. At most, you get a viable alternative to Microsoft; at worst, you get discounts from Microsoft.
Well, let me correct that. Everyone in the world but in the United States. Why is it that the US companies and organizations (starting with the ^$!* Universities!) are the only ones blind to the potential of FOSS (and the interaction between FOSS and a RAIS (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Students) hacking on it!), or at least to the fact that Microsoft will give them a discount if they at least look at the competition?
I run WineX 3.2 on 2.6.0-test11 (there is no test12, fwiw). Works beautifully, even on my ancient 450MHz K6-2.
An important thing to note when optimizing is that things that expand code size can result in cache misses (due to the size of the code) much more readily, resulting in slower code. I would recommend not unrolling loops unless they're Small, and running with -Os.
[Sigh]. Someday. Someday.
Calculon (does 2d&3d charts and also allows you to change variables to see how it affects things, etc. I don't think it integrates, although I may be wrong)
Formulae 1 (for writing formulae and recording 'em; I don't think it does a whole lot of calculations, but I could be wrong. Note that it requires Java)
Finally, there's QPlot, which is essentially a frontend to bc.
1Microsoft Fans can safely substitute "Java" in place of "C#".
Then you shouldn't be using C#1
Sooo... what you're saying is that there'd be no change in the enjoyment of the movies?
heh. Dag nabbit. This is what happens when yer too tired to post. ;)
:)
Still, I'd take Linux over 'doze any day.
Actually, I do take Linux over Windows every day....
Now that's funny. I'd take a secured Linux kisok over Windows any day. ;)
Interesting. Is this your honest opinion? 'Cause I can tell you right now that
Not all do. Again, your incorrect stereotypes of a generally fine people are showing (please NOTE that I am not comparing the US'ians to any other people. Country of residence is not generally a strong predictor of the quality of person, if such can be measured.) I, for one, am more mid-range. There are many, many mid-rangers in the US. There are many conservatives who think liberals are bad. There are many liberals who think conservatives are bad. Just as there are in, say, Germany (CDU versus SPD, for example).
The reason I included "Liberals" in the list is because Liberals tend to look at their country in a harsh light (otherwise, they'd not be arguing for change and thus would be Conservative, or resisting change). Liberals in the US tend to look upon the US with a very harsh light indeed.
Have you been to the US and really lived here, or are you going by what movies, TV, the sites you frequent, and your friends say? 'Cause really, the US ain't nearly so bad as you're portraying it.
I think I need to put up a new sig: Given enough personal experience, all stereotypes are shallow.
I hope you're not suggesting Americans are stupid. You must be (European, Canadian, Asian, Middle-Eastern, African, generally not-USian, Liberal, yyy), eh? ;)