There are many ways to code pages that work well for all browsers, and purposely excluding some customers from using your site because you're lazy is a lousy way to do business.
First off I don't write code, but I think you missed my point. If you had to write a website, and to choose a "standard", or code that will work in 95% of the browsers, which would you choose ? I understand the code is broken on these sites, but that dosen't help me when I want to log in to check email. And About IE becoming obsolete, it will never happen. How many non geeks Windows users do you know who will download and install a broswer, update favorites, re install plugins, and learn a new program because it's "better"? You and I know how far superior Mozilla/FF are, but to the average usrr it does not matter. Until other browsers come preinstalled on the desktop, that big "E" will always mean the internet to the vast majority of users.
Get a Sun JVM. If it will not work too then I believe the problem is not related to MS at all but to the bad quality of coding.
I actually did install the SUN JVM, and I still have problems with two sites. Which goes to my point, if the site works with 90+% of the market share, but not with a small percentage of "other" browsers, which is it that is broken, the browser or the code ? I KNOW the code is broken, but that dosen't help me when I want to check my email from a web interface with Mozilla/FF.
" They are to big to care about the standards - the IE is the major, dominant browser - which is quite unfortunate, but true."
This has always been a minor annoyance for me. I use Mozilla and FireFox. BUT I keep a older version of IE for pages that will just not render in Mozilla/Firefox. I thought Java WAS a standard, but many pages with a Java plugin for log-on will just not work. I have been told over and over that "MS breaks the standards" but what good are standards if the browser with 90% market share doesn't use them ?. If I was designing a buisness site, and had to choose between a "standard" or compatability with IE, it would be a no brainer.
I am not so quick to call this a troll. Laziness does play a factor I think. I've found when I change the Mozilla Icon to the fancy "E", people use Mozilla without thinking. Also copying their favorites is another tool to get them to switch.
People use what they are familar with. If they want to go on the Web, they click E. Very few non-geeks think about these things. Making it easy for them not to have to think about it will help them, and by extension, us.
Even the dumbest safety check would have proven the alligation to be false because Microsoft should be able to tell from logs that zero messages were ever sent from the account, so even if that was 100% spam that's still zero spam messages!"
IANA programmer, but I have always wondered, just how easy it is to "Just look at the logs" ? I imagine the "log" from Hotmail servers must be huge. What would it take to look for one email, from one account ? Could they even do it ?
Are you sure? According to the blurb, it "installs 'helpful' copy protection software on MacOS and Windows as soon as you insert the CD into default systems."
Is there any reason to have autorun "on" in the first place ? One of the first things I do when I set up a system is disable it. I would like to choose which app to use, not rely on the OS to decide. I saw a previous story about the new Velvet Revolver CD having copy protection. I came home after buying it, popped it into my CDR, and burned it to MP3 for my car player. I would have never known it was copt protected until I saw the story. BTW I have never had a DRM disk that would not burn in CDEX
CWS infection on someone else's PC I was about ready to rip out IE from XP which is of course not easy to do
I found an easy work arround. Install Zone Alarm and block all IE traffic, works like a charm for me. I even change the Mozilla icon to the "E" for the more toublesome family members:-)
However, I couldn't stand watching a movie in the Real player.
A little Real annoyance I recently had. I have an old Win 98 machine at work. I use an older version of Real, because it crashes less. The other day after viewing a link, Real One screen popped up and said "We've detected an older version of REAL, we will upgrade your software unless you click cancel in 20 seconds" Talk about sleazy. Of course there is nowhere to turn off these little "helpful" reminders.
Slither ain't bad, but after 3 listens, I'm done with it.
Agreed, I keep hoping it's one of those CDs that "grows on me" Like Queens of The Stoneage did. I hated that album, lisetned to it a dozen or so times, and found a bunch of songs that I liked.
imho you omitted something. i do buy cds, if they are worth the money. but these ones are really rare.
And how exactly do you know it's worth it, if you don't buy it ? I've bought CD's for the "one good song" and been pleasently surprised, and I've bought them and been disappointed. I was just thinking about this as I picked up the new Velvet Revolver CD (GUns and Roses - Axle + Scott Weilen (sp?). It was only $9.99 at worst buy. If more CD's were $9.99, I would probably triple the number of CD's I buy, because I wouldn't feel so bad when I got a "dud"
The same could be said for any invasion of privacy. Camera inside your house or apartment? You're not committing a crime, why should you have a problem with it? That would be an extreme example, but this particular argument is specious.
How can a camera in a public place be compared to a camera in your home ?. I think this is a stretch for anyone. You are being watched. Everywhere. The City of Baltimore is letting you know where the cameras are, but I bet there are many more cameras that you don't know about. I stand by my arguement. Public cameras in public places are a good thing.
What privacy is that ? Do you think in a public place you should have the expectation of privacy ? There are security cams everywhere, stores, parks, sporting events, public buildings. I don't see the problem here. If you don't break the law, you will not have a problem.
On another note,. wasn't it a store cam that recently caught a child murderer out west ? He snatched a teen girl walking home, and a camera in a parking lot caught him. It might not prevent a crime, but it may help afterwards.
" YEA! Fuck the blind! They have no business on the Web anyway."
Not to be a troll, or feed the trolls, but how does a blind person view the web now ? If it is large text based, than there is a way that this can work, or if it is done by voice, cant you add a little MP3 "To leave a comment, first type "Bill Gates is wise"" or something like that ?.
In crime infested New York, police plays GTA while on duty!
Actually, New York City has one of the lowest crime rates of ANY big city in the USA. See This Link for more info. We do a lot of problems here, but NYPD has reducing crime every single year for over 20 years.
On the other hand, "hired guns" are mercenaries - they will do as you wish, when you wish, how you wish. The AdTI are hired guns. Some of us (the others:-) still have some self-respect and integrity - please consider each case on its merits...
Simon.
You are right, and I obviously did not mean to smear you all with the big brush.
BTW I love your work on American Idol (Just kidding:-)
What will be interesting is just how long the AdTI will remain a serious news source - the ultimate goal is obviously to get them to discredit themselves to such an extent that they can be held up as an example of how *not* to do it.
I am curious, is there anyone who takes ANY analyst seriously ? They are ALL paid shills. Everytime something happens in the SCucks case, Pretenderle and Didiot come out of the blue corner, and Dion Cornett comes out of the red corner. Each one has an agenda. Each one has paid "opinions" Would any buisness make an important descision based on these shills ? It's like my beloved NY Post. I like reading it, but take everything with a grain of salt
A lot of hospitals use them to prevent cell phones from triggering someone's defibrillator. A lot of devices in hospitals are frequency-controlled."
Sorry, I've been working in hospitals for 25 years and never seen this happen. Just not possible. Defibrillators are NOT controlled by radio waves. I guess some very sensative telemetry montitors can be interfered with, but I have never seen this happen either. I think this is a little FUD by hospitals, because cell phones are annoying to people trying to recover.
Conventional theory is that if mother is HIV positive, her baby will be positive as well. If male (father) is positive, his sperm will contain HIV virus. This is partially true. A baby born of an HIV(+) mother, initally is HIV (+), because the baby carries the mothers antibodies. After a period of time (I believe it is six months or so, its been a while for my OB nursing) the baby will convert to sero negative. I've heard of children 10 years later who are still negative.
If you can fight HIV to a standstill, to the point that it's no longer actively destroying T-cells, the immune system can begin to recover some of its ability to fight off opportunistic diseases.
That is the current quandry. Anti-retroviral therapy, with its combination of drugs, currently is very effective. Basically the medicine stops the virus from duplicating (the overall viral load will go down), and that lets the bodies infection fighting resources recover (increased T cells). The problem with current treatments is the medications become toxic after long periods of time. Otherwise healthy HIV (+) patients are having liver failure due to the effects of the medications on the liver. The problem with people who have full blown AIDS is they have lost so much protection, the body becomes very susecptable to all sorts of nasties, sorta like an unpatched Windows box.A nice little primer on HIV can be found at the CDC
Okay, I'll admit, I'm stumped. I Googled, and hit the Jargon file, and even asked arround IRC, what the heck does the ^H^H^H^H mean? From the context I think it's something like "outdated.. um I mean..stable". Help a newbie out here please Thank you.
Again, I think either the author of the MSNBC story has an axe to grind, or did not think through the implications of the statements that he made.
Funny, reading the link, I was amazed at how much time the guy from MSNBC spent talking about MS Games and Consoles. I never knew MSNBC had so much interest in MS products ? I guess next thing you know ABC will be telling us about all the great sports on ESPN:-)
When Fox News can be as popular as it is, you know there is something wrong with TV journalism. Fair and Balanced?
Fox News and Talk Radio is popular beacuse there IS something wrong with television/print journalism. For twenty years I've heard over and over again "Democrat good, Republican bad" I saw the elite left wing media trounce everything I believed in. When Fox/Rush/Sean became popular, I suddenly heard things that I thought were important.
Is there anyone out there who thinks that ANY media outlet is unbiased ? Every person has an agenda. I watch FOX, read the NYT, and listen to NPR and then make my own choice. Recently I've even taken to reading BBC and Al Jazerra (?sp) websites, just something to get a different view of things.
Agree that most home users just want to "get on the Internet", but why is Linux a bad choice for those users today? I've set up Mepis for users with this experience level in the past, and they work with it just fine; I'm sure there's other distributions that work just about as well.
Do you think anyone but a geek could install Real, Flash, Quicktime or any other plugins? I use Gentoo, and Mozilla, and XP. I have a hard time getting programs that I like to work. I am willing to spend days if not weeks to tweak something the way I want. Most users don't want to or cant do that. Linux had very real alternatives to Windows, and you mentioned some very good ones. Of course anyone with kids will have to give up most main stream games, but that is another story. I hope some day I am proven wrong, I do believe the faster Linux is adopted at home, the better all of our computers experiences, because zombies and worms, and viruses will become less and less commonplace
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First off I don't write code, but I think you missed my point. If you had to write a website, and to choose a "standard", or code that will work in 95% of the browsers, which would you choose ? I understand the code is broken on these sites, but that dosen't help me when I want to log in to check email.
And About IE becoming obsolete, it will never happen. How many non geeks Windows users do you know who will download and install a broswer, update favorites, re install plugins, and learn a new program because it's "better"? You and I know how far superior Mozilla/FF are, but to the average usrr it does not matter. Until other browsers come preinstalled on the desktop, that big "E" will always mean the internet to the vast majority of users.
I actually did install the SUN JVM, and I still have problems with two sites. Which goes to my point, if the site works with 90+% of the market share, but not with a small percentage of "other" browsers, which is it that is broken, the browser or the code ? I KNOW the code is broken, but that dosen't help me when I want to check my email from a web interface with Mozilla/FF.
This has always been a minor annoyance for me. I use Mozilla and FireFox. BUT I keep a older version of IE for pages that will just not render in Mozilla/Firefox. I thought Java WAS a standard, but many pages with a Java plugin for log-on will just not work. I have been told over and over that "MS breaks the standards" but what good are standards if the browser with 90% market share doesn't use them ?. If I was designing a buisness site, and had to choose between a "standard" or compatability with IE, it would be a no brainer.
I am not so quick to call this a troll. Laziness does play a factor I think. I've found when I change the Mozilla Icon to the fancy "E", people use Mozilla without thinking. Also copying their favorites is another tool to get them to switch. People use what they are familar with. If they want to go on the Web, they click E. Very few non-geeks think about these things. Making it easy for them not to have to think about it will help them, and by extension, us.
IANA programmer, but I have always wondered, just how easy it is to "Just look at the logs" ? I imagine the "log" from Hotmail servers must be huge. What would it take to look for one email, from one account ? Could they even do it ?
Is there any reason to have autorun "on" in the first place ? One of the first things I do when I set up a system is disable it. I would like to choose which app to use, not rely on the OS to decide. I saw a previous story about the new Velvet Revolver CD having copy protection. I came home after buying it, popped it into my CDR, and burned it to MP3 for my car player. I would have never known it was copt protected until I saw the story. BTW I have never had a DRM disk that would not burn in CDEX
I found an easy work arround. Install Zone Alarm and block all IE traffic, works like a charm for me. I even change the Mozilla icon to the "E" for the more toublesome family members :-)
A little Real annoyance I recently had. I have an old Win 98 machine at work. I use an older version of Real, because it crashes less. The other day after viewing a link, Real One screen popped up and said "We've detected an older version of REAL, we will upgrade your software unless you click cancel in 20 seconds" Talk about sleazy. Of course there is nowhere to turn off these little "helpful" reminders.
Agreed, I keep hoping it's one of those CDs that "grows on me" Like Queens of The Stoneage did. I hated that album, lisetned to it a dozen or so times, and found a bunch of songs that I liked.
And how exactly do you know it's worth it, if you don't buy it ? I've bought CD's for the "one good song" and been pleasently surprised, and I've bought them and been disappointed. I was just thinking about this as I picked up the new Velvet Revolver CD (GUns and Roses - Axle + Scott Weilen (sp?). It was only $9.99 at worst buy. If more CD's were $9.99, I would probably triple the number of CD's I buy, because I wouldn't feel so bad when I got a "dud"
How can a camera in a public place be compared to a camera in your home ?. I think this is a stretch for anyone. You are being watched. Everywhere. The City of Baltimore is letting you know where the cameras are, but I bet there are many more cameras that you don't know about. I stand by my arguement. Public cameras in public places are a good thing.
What privacy is that ? Do you think in a public place you should have the expectation of privacy ? There are security cams everywhere, stores, parks, sporting events, public buildings. I don't see the problem here. If you don't break the law, you will not have a problem.
On another note,. wasn't it a store cam that recently caught a child murderer out west ? He snatched a teen girl walking home, and a camera in a parking lot caught him. It might not prevent a crime, but it may help afterwards.
Not to be a troll, or feed the trolls, but how does a blind person view the web now ? If it is large text based, than there is a way that this can work, or if it is done by voice, cant you add a little MP3 "To leave a comment, first type "Bill Gates is wise"" or something like that ?.
Actually, New York City has one of the lowest crime rates of ANY big city in the USA. See This Link for more info. We do a lot of problems here, but NYPD has reducing crime every single year for over 20 years.
You are right, and I obviously did not mean to smear you all with the big brush.
BTW I love your work on American Idol (Just kiddingI am curious, is there anyone who takes ANY analyst seriously ? They are ALL paid shills. Everytime something happens in the SCucks case, Pretenderle and Didiot come out of the blue corner, and Dion Cornett comes out of the red corner. Each one has an agenda. Each one has paid "opinions" Would any buisness make an important descision based on these shills ? It's like my beloved NY Post. I like reading it, but take everything with a grain of salt
Sorry, I've been working in hospitals for 25 years and never seen this happen. Just not possible. Defibrillators are NOT controlled by radio waves. I guess some very sensative telemetry montitors can be interfered with, but I have never seen this happen either. I think this is a little FUD by hospitals, because cell phones are annoying to people trying to recover.
Conventional theory is that if mother is HIV positive, her baby will be positive as well. If male (father) is positive, his sperm will contain HIV virus. This is partially true. A baby born of an HIV(+) mother, initally is HIV (+), because the baby carries the mothers antibodies. After a period of time (I believe it is six months or so, its been a while for my OB nursing) the baby will convert to sero negative. I've heard of children 10 years later who are still negative.
That is the current quandry. Anti-retroviral therapy, with its combination of drugs, currently is very effective. Basically the medicine stops the virus from duplicating (the overall viral load will go down), and that lets the bodies infection fighting resources recover (increased T cells). The problem with current treatments is the medications become toxic after long periods of time. Otherwise healthy HIV (+) patients are having liver failure due to the effects of the medications on the liver.
The problem with people who have full blown AIDS is they have lost so much protection, the body becomes very susecptable to all sorts of nasties, sorta like an unpatched Windows box.A nice little primer on HIV can be found at the CDC
Okay, I'll admit, I'm stumped. I Googled, and hit the Jargon file, and even asked arround IRC, what the heck does the ^H^H^H^H mean? From the context I think it's something like "outdated.. um I mean..stable". Help a newbie out here please
Thank you.
I thought if I posted AC, I could keep my mods in this thread, silly me, sorry for the monday morning screwup :-).
I am sure they go past Washington Square Park for those "Special Powerups "
(Its a notorious drug selling spot, see This Story)
Funny, reading the link, I was amazed at how much time the guy from MSNBC spent talking about MS Games and Consoles. I never knew MSNBC had so much interest in MS products ? I guess next thing you know ABC will be telling us about all the great sports on ESPN :-)
Fox News and Talk Radio is popular beacuse there IS something wrong with television/print journalism. For twenty years I've heard over and over again "Democrat good, Republican bad" I saw the elite left wing media trounce everything I believed in. When Fox/Rush/Sean became popular, I suddenly heard things that I thought were important.
Is there anyone out there who thinks that ANY media outlet is unbiased ? Every person has an agenda. I watch FOX, read the NYT, and listen to NPR and then make my own choice. Recently I've even taken to reading BBC and Al Jazerra (?sp) websites, just something to get a different view of things.
Do you think anyone but a geek could install Real, Flash, Quicktime or any other plugins? I use Gentoo, and Mozilla, and XP. I have a hard time getting programs that I like to work. I am willing to spend days if not weeks to tweak something the way I want. Most users don't want to or cant do that. Linux had very real alternatives to Windows, and you mentioned some very good ones. Of course anyone with kids will have to give up most main stream games, but that is another story. I hope some day I am proven wrong, I do believe the faster Linux is adopted at home, the better all of our computers experiences, because zombies and worms, and viruses will become less and less commonplace