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Winny P2P Software Creator Arrested
News for nerds writes "The author of Winny, the Japanese P2P software with encrypted networking capability, similar to Freenet, has been today officially arrested for abetment of copyright violation, after the raid in the last December. He started its development in May 2002 and occasionally appeared on the web forum 2ch with his anonymous codename "47", but today turned out to be an assistant professor of computer science at the University of Tokyo in his 30s. Winny was so efficient and popular that it generated problems even at the Japanese police and the GSDF.
As the Japanese police is the most advanced among the world in pulling P2P into criminal cases, outcry of users in Japan is expected."
Should be arrested for naming it whinny.
You know you were thinking the same thing.
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This isn't the first time.
We might actually have to go back to using Usenet and the streets of New York for our bootleg videos and music! How could we do that?
Of all the good uses that are possible with P2P apps (how often do we see torrents of slashdotted videos?), how many here actually use them for anything BUT pirating movies/games/music/books (bitch about the use of the word pirate and I'll ignore you)? More importantly, since this is the geek-ass bastard capital of the net, how many NORMAL people use it for anything but pirating stuff?
'Standards' in computing only impress those who are impressed by things like 'standards'.
You know he's going to be doing some wining later ;)
Luckily the rest of the worlds police force can barely use word let alone catch people doing crimes online or even understand what the crime committed was.
Thanks
... Black & Decker has been charged as an accomplice to many murders committed with their tools.
<sigh> I guess I won't bother trying to write any decent software then, if the possibility exists that I'm to be arrested for it. What would the point be?
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I don't understand, does this mean that if I develop a really great and cheap duffelbag that I can be arrested if it's used by a bank robber?
Why not sue the computer manufacturers for abatement as well? There are any great uses for P2P, it is a great way to distribute music and video you have created, and I have distributed many animated shorts I have worked on via bit torrent etc...
How long will it be before someone sues the makers of a web browser, FTP, or IRC app for 'copyright abatement'?
From pario (675744) in a previous article:
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Since Winny is pretty much unknown outside Japan, here is some background information for slashdot readers: Winny is a P2P file sharing program created by a Japanese programmer, who still remains anonymous to this day. It came out two years ago as an attempt to share copyright-protected materials "safely" when somebody was arrested for using another P2P program (WinMX). Since the application was extremely well designed and almost anything is available on its network, from movies to software, it has become immensely popular in Japan, so much so that there are a dozen book available on how to use it and network traffic in the country was down 20% after the news of the arrest broke. As for the reasons why the police was able to identify those two people who were arrested, they used an extra bulletin board feature, which does not guarantee anonymity unlike its file transfer feature, to distribute a list of warez videos. Therefore, I don't think this news has anything to do with the validity of Freenet's technology, or with that of Winny's for that matter.
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Well, maybe I didn`t quite get it right, but in what way exactly is what he`s done illegal? Or is it just because he made it difficult for them to crack the network he`d created that they wanted even more to "crack him", as an example? Believe you me, maybe that will be the start of a new row of attacks from RIAA and MPAA towards program creators.
"Die Winny!"
(for the ignorant)
Everthinkathat?
A winner is you!
His arrest is controversial since there was no mention that he participated in sharing files, only for writing (and updating -- an argument used by the police that his act was deliberate) the software that enabled file-sharing.
He should be arrested as well. I mean c'mon! Who haven't had a private FTP-account long before the P2P-concept were even thought of? Or Gopher? I am sure some copyrighted literature has been made availble by gopher!
If creating technology that allows material to be pirated is a crime, I suggest all manufaturers of CD-R(W)s, DVD+-R(W) with associated burnes, harddisks, floppys, floppydrives, tapes, tapeplayers, dats, lossy as well as non-lossy data-compression technologies, not to mention microphones and every single net-capable electronic device be arrested pronto.
After all they're facilitating copyright infringement. Even digitally one might add for most of them!
Not Buzzword 2.0 compliant. Please speak english.
No, I'm not bitter about this coming up after having decided to move to Japan. sigh...
(Well, to be fair, Japan's copyright law does have a clause allowing personal copies, which is recognized as valid by pretty much everybody, and which even the local press is mentioning in their articles on this, like this one. But they also have a DMCA-like clause that pretty much negates its effect for encrypted stuff.)
Winny developer to arrest the Kyoto headquarters of police, 30 generation Tokyo University assistant domestic beginnings
Assuming that file sharing software "Winny" of the personal computer which exchanges the data of the popularity movie and hit tune etc. () by the fact that it develops, the illegal copy of the movie and music was made easy the Kyoto headquarters of police high-tech crime measure room and five provision stations, in doubt of the Copyright Act violation one help, requested option accompanying from Tokyo large assistant of 30 generations of the Tokyo residence even in 10th morning, set the policy of arresting. As for , being free on Internet, the program software which is open. As for questioning the software developer to "the one help" of the Copyright Act violation the domestic beginning. Stand case in the criminal incident of the joint ownership software developer almost there is no example even in the foreign country.
When the infringement of copyright which worldwide used the file sharing software has swaggered although you feel concern the administration of justice judgement even internationally for the illegal characteristic of the file sharing software has divided, it may call discussion centering on propriety.
That the file sharing software where with investigation of prefecture police/policing, as for Tokyo University assistant, anonymous characteristic is higher than past, is difficult to be exposed by the police opening will be sent plan. The major bulletin board of Internet with "2 don't you think? as development program is announced the ", 2002 May, it released the software of to itself home page. Using , as for Tokyo University assistant with no permission, the doubt which makes exchanging the data which infringes the copyright of the movie and the game etc. easy has in the literary work authority e.g., the salesman of Gunma prefecture (41) the inside = and others of the trial releases the data of the popularity movie to the many and unspecified persons person illegal with crime of = Copyright Act violation.
In addition, as for prefecture police/policing the policy of starting the forcing investigation of several places such as Tokyo University graduate school information science and engineering type postgraduate course even on the 10th.
Tokyo University assistant is special information processing engineering. It is called "47 people" with the net bulletin board, "the file sharing software which gradually can actualize anonymous characteristic appears and does not change the concept regarding present copyright the expectation which is stopped obtaining. It probably is about to try boosting the flow by your?", and so on with, development intention of had been explained.
* Infringement of copyright, the judgement which cracks internationally
The kitchen knife also and, can also be able cut the vegetable damage the person. Those where you accuse of a crime to the person are just the execution doer who kills and wounds. The handgun the person other than killing and wounding, in Japan the possession and production is prohibited with purpose. The Kyoto headquarters of police this time, the developer of the communication software, as for with "one help" of the Copyright Act violation it finishes stepping on in stand case, in the same software net society, it is equal to the development "of the handgun", that you probably can say that it judged.
As for , as for the data which is exchanged the necessity for the user to register to the provider without, it is entirely encoded. As for the prefecture police/policing high-tech investigation room, Tokyo large assistant who was developed the major bulletin board of Internet to "2 don't you think? from the speech
This guy is screwed! Japan has a conviction rate of over 90%. Why? I dunno, check this: (http://econwpa.wustl.edu/eprints/le/papers/9907/9 907001.abs)
its winny, but its still a bad name (n\t)
Slashdot posts story about 2ch. Next story is about 2ch user "47" being arrested. Coincidence? I THINK NOT! :)
Maybe not US anymore, but some place where writting multi-purpose software that protects privacy is not a crime. Japan's loss, that country's win. I just hope he doesn't have to spend long time in jail first.
Was this software built soley and intentionally for sharing copyrighted works? If not, this is a frightening story. I've written software that would now be called "P2P". Then, nine years ago, it was called a distributed system (as opposed to client/server). The problem is, it could easily be used for sharing copyrighted works, although back then that use didn't occur to anyone.
So, does intent matter any more and how does it apply to this case - or can we expect anyone involved in (for example) the design of TCP/IP to be hauled into jail? It's the logical next step.
Didn't know you're a slashdot user. I used some of your work on PS2Linux. Nice to see you here!
The story of this arrest was posted in Slashdot Japan. And there are a lot of comments.
Notice: The article and comments are only in Japanese.
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I feel really sorry for this guy. I wonder if there is anything he can do to fight it? I havn't heard particularly favorable things of the japanese legal system. Winny was an excellant P2P program though. Anything you wanted, you could download, FAST. It was a great concept and would be interesting to see other P2P software take the same approach. Sharing was pretty much mandatory... but you couldn't see who you are sharing with, or what files they are downloading from you. But the ease of downloading is what truely amazes me the most. On a network like eDonkey, you can typically wait for hours before your download even starts, then have the download trickle across at 5kb/second. With winny it was INSANE. Downloads often started immediatly, and you normally get download speeds in the 20-50kb/sec range. It's entirely possible to download complete DVD ISOs in a day. And thats the reason it had to be shut down :|
...first of all, Winny is a Windows-only, closed-source program. While the author has taken some of the concepts from Freenet, none of the actual code. The BBS that caused them to be captured has no equal in Freenet, any BBS-like places you may find there is purely "userspace" running on top of Freenet.
Winny was designed to be very difficult to use outside Japan, not only was it exclusively in Japanese but it also refused to work on international systems with Japanese support (hint: You had to have japanese code pages by default, doable but not easy).
The network itself is still operational, but naturally there won't be any more development. Like Freenet, you could find pretty much anything there, but that didn't seem to bother the Japanese quite as much as the Western world, at least it was very popular.
Kjella
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Apparently copyright infringement is a criminal charge in Japan.
Apparently the RIAA and MPAA bought out that government even faster than the US? Amazing.
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>He started its development in May 2002 and occasionally appeared on the web forum 2ch with his anonymous codename "47", ...
No.
His codename is "47-shi". The pronounce is "yon-jyu-nana-shi"
It means "Mr. 47" in Japanese.
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Every time this sort of injustice happens it just makes it easier for everyone to justify "stealing" music and generally fucking with the corporations.How on earth do you quantify a charge like that? does that mean gun manufacturers are responsible for conspiracy to commit violence? encryption? cameras? search engines? practically anything can be said to be designed to commit a crime.
I have boycotted buying music since 2000, have you?
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There's an old joke that goes...
A new prisoner is at lunch with some fellow inmates when one of them bellows out "36!". Right away all the other inmates in the cafeteria start to chuckle and guffaw. A few minutes later, another inmate yells "28!" and everyone starts laughing and smiling. Soon another inmates shouts "12!" and soon everyone is rolling on the floor in laughter. The new prisoner turns to another inmate and asks what's going on. The inmate explains that the prisor library only has one joke book, and since everyone has read it a thousand times over, to save time people just shout out the page number of the joke the want to tell. The new prisoner decides to get into the swing of things, so he stands up on a table and screams out "17!" Dead silence results. Sheepishly, the new prisoner sits down and resumes eating his lunch. "Man," the inmate exclaims, "some people just can't tell a joke."
My point in all this is that I've seen enough of these stories and bellowed out enough appropriate statement of outrages that I'm tired of repeating myself and others, so I'm gonna simply call it "17" and be done with it. This can include:
1) stupid analogies about hammers and crowbars
2) ridiculous hypotheticals about some guy named Britney Spears who actually wants to give away his music
3) references to anti-freedom, anti-democracy and probably a handful of Godwin's law violations
4) detail explanations of 1500 programs that do the same thing but somehow escape attention
5) updated links to kazaalite
Okay, so...that's all about that. From now on, if the story says "P2P" then just put me down for an automatic "17" and let me get on with my day.
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-- I wonder which will go down in history as the bigger failure: the War on Drugs or the War on Filesharing
That's all he needs to say and he'll make himself rich by selling it. Well, at least rich enough to pay a good lawyer.
LK
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I have to say I thought the machine version quoted above was much more entertaining...
The kitchen knife also and, can also be able cut the vegetable damage the person. Those where you accuse of a crime to the person are just the execution doer who kills and wounds. The handgun the person other than killing and wounding, in Japan the possession and production is prohibited with purpose.
Can someone explain to me pls? The english articles don't tell much about it!
If he shared material the arrest is okay!
If he only wrote the software...
That's like Colt getting closed down because murders and bankrobbers use their "products" (read weapons)
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I am a post graduate student who is researching aspects of P2P software. Its a really fertile area for research that is now starting to get seriously damaged by the civil and criminal suits that are getting about these days. I know of one serious research group that has pulled their software, that wasn't even file sharing related, due to fears of being held accounatble for its use. I also have not released anything due to fears of retribution (and my stuff has bugger all to do with filesharing also).
I would like to extend my Masters research into a PhD but is it going to have a future for long enough? I hope that this will settle down and go the way of the fears of video tapes, PGP, cd burning, etc... But in the mean time research that will benefit ad hoc networking will suffer.
It will be a sad day if everything P2P is banned - I wonder if those companies with miss chat, dns, nntp, etc
Way to go.
he got the shaft.. from the Mainichi Daily News Japan: Winny has already stirred up considerable controversy within Japan this year. In March, a virus swept through the program, picking up investigation records from a Kyoto Prefectural Police officer's computer and whisking them around cyberspace. Other police documents and Self-Defense Force materials have also been spread across the Internet through Winny. Cops probably had a hard on for this guy ever since their investigations records ended up on Whinny..
The article in english says that Winny was used to spread secret information belonging the japan police. So the tool has BEEN used for a just cause, imo.
Does anyone know the technical details behind it, like the network topology or the basics of the protocol or what method it uses to (supposedly) keep its users anonymous?
I can't seem to find any details at all in English-language sources.
The article in japanese says that that's one of the reasons that guns are illegal in japan: can only be used to kill people.
47 wrote the software, and according to the comments on 2ch the police decided that the motives behind writing Winny were purely copyright infringement, so it is not considered as a knife which can be used for good means, but as a weapon which can only be used for crimes.
I think my RIAA boycot just became a boycot of all copyrighted material*. I will never pay for a license to use again. No movie theaters, video game rentals, the works... until someone fixes this nonsense.
Arresting scientists crosses the line. I wouldn't feel right supplying the cartells that make this possible.
* = That doesn't permit redistribution.
Anyone but a hypocrite can tell you that most P2P apps are indeed made for trading copyrighted material, much like emulators are made for running copyrighted roms. Claiming that they have a lot of potentially non-infringing uses is just an excuse. Black & Decker tools are made for construction, and in 99.99% of cases they are used for construction work.
...is that according to it, computers should be outlawed. Yes, you heard me. Most every computer out there is a vechicle for copyright infringement of software, audio, movies, pr0n (which is also copyrighted), used to facilitate communication between people or such traffic and so on. Nevermind the millons of PCs that are spamming or infecting others, or anonymizing illegal traffic because they're open relays. All used for crime.
Same goes for everything running the network infrastructure. The Common Carrier status may protect them legally, but not in this context. They're all massively contrbuting to illegal acts. Right down to the computers running the Internet backbone itself.
Both private individuals and corporations typically have some form of violation, if nothing more than expired software they use anyway, or more users than they're licenced for, or being zombified spam/virus boxes.
Like P2P apps, computers in general have legitimate uses. But if you want to talk numbers, they too get drowned out by the fact that PEOPLE aren't law-obidient. That is neither the fault of computers nor P2P apps.
Welcome to general purpose computing, and general purpose communication. If the majority want to use it for something illegal, what do you do? There's simply no way short of crippling a PC into an appliance, limited to only do pre-defined tasks. If you can program it (even within a DRM-ridden sandbox), you can make it general purpose. And then you're back to square one.
Kjella
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is KANEKO Isamu, 33, was relatively well-known in Japan as a talented 3D-programming programmer, too (though it's not known until today that he is the "47"). His personal homepage has many 3D-programming stuff, including flight simulator, realtime 3-D body model generator, PBO-FS(Prototype-Based Object File System), missile simulator, and realtime motion-generation by physics calculation. His academic concern was fast 3D physics calculation, network design, and OS design.
Where do you draw the line? It's a slippery slope. One of the most commonly used protocols by far for illegal copying is Microsoft Windows file-sharing (otherwise known as SMB). So by your reasoning, if we can hold the author of a p2p system liable, then we ABSOLUTELY MUST also hold Microsoft liable when it happens on their systems. Or do you have some magic, objective point at which you can draw the line and say "this file-sharing tool good, that one bad"? Sorry, but you have to either deem file-sharing tools ALL ILLEGAL, or ALL LEGAL. And yeah yeah I know that SMB is used in legal ways too, but so are all file-sharing tools.
A 0.01% chance of aquittal isn't statistically significant.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
Or is it just because he made it difficult for them to crack the network he`d created that they wanted even more to "crack him", as an example?
That's the major theory currently doing the rounds in the media, but it's also been reported that when he released Winny, he gave as his reason for developing it "to demonstrate why current copyright laws are wrong and help to change them". While I think he has a valid point about copyright [uh oh, are they going to come after me now?], openly showing disrespect for the law isn't calculated to put you in law enforcement's good graces.
It also seems [Japanese] he's telling police that he "created Winny to foster copyright violations and destroy content companies who are bent only on legal action and don't try to find new business models to protect their copyrights". Take that as you will . . .
If you've got a trunk of DVD's and the cops saw a foil lined "shopping bag" when they pulled you over. Enjoy jail. Maybe they won't convict you. But you're not getting the movies back, and your not driving yourself home.
Yes even if you're in the US.
If I were this dude, I'd claim, "I love freedom. I wanted to let this thing loose in China once I figured out how to obscure the traffic. They deserve a little freedom too."
Was this software built soley and intentionally for sharing copyrighted works?
It seems so from what the author's saying about it.
What's disgusting about this Winny thing is that Kyoto Police Department thinks the development of Winny itself is not criminal, but 47's attitude against the copyright law is. 47 had basically said on 2ch that the copyright law must be largely restructured to reflect the digital era and that's a part of the reasons why he wrote Winny.
Japanese constitution certainly ensures freedom of speech and thoughts, but it sounds like KPD is a thought police.
Just for the record, the files that got spread seem to be the result of a virus sent over the Winny network that puts everything on the victim's computer up for sharing, so I doubt the author would get directly in trouble for that.
Thanks, it's good to see someone else who found the machine "translation" more amusing and interesting than yet another 'shocking news: people are cracking down on piracy any way they can'. *yawn*. I've heard it a lot lately to be honest.
I particularly liked the line
> The kitchen knife also and, can also be able cut the vegetable damage the person.
Not sure that they would find it all that funny in Abu Ghraib though, poor buggers.
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You damn well know firearms were invented to kill, and not just anything, but people. Their development has been spured by the desire to kill people with ever less effort, over less time, in greater numbers, with greater reliablity.. Any argument to the contrary is a lie, sophistry relying on plausible denability. The Colt M1911, prized for target shooting and as an alternative to Magnum PI with a sequined hangbag, was chosen not so the US army would excel in marksmanship competitions but to but a badman and his black hat on the ground with one round.
In fact examples to the contrary are so terribly few they boldly stand out, such as magnum rounds for british elephant guns, and new metalstorm products.
Why you lie, and especially lie in a brazen and moronic manner, you're saying your desired ends are more important than the truth, and you invite everyone else to do the same. It's the difference between useful discourse and useless rhetoric.
Maybe, just maybe, if you didn't think so little of your position and your audiance's time, they'd think more of you.
It's funny in polish language "winny" means guilty :D
Weapons developers feel technical curiosity over the lethalness and strategic usability of their weapons.
Filesharing software developers feel technical curiosity over the efficiency and anonymity of their software.
How odd that the latter should be executed in the name of the law, while the former reaps fantastic wealth from military demand.
I have seen that exactly nunce in my 4 years of reading /. as an AC. Then again I read at -1 and skip any groupthink that is modded above 2
Is this what you would say about another invention?:
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"We all know that matches were invented just to commit arson, any one who disagrees with me is . .
It's just you against the world, buddy.
It must be hard to be such a paranoid.
Why are we all picking on you?
just to make a point : Corruption in Japan is way more developed than you can imagine.
US Parlimentary looks like innocent babies when compared to China, and are ready for Sainthood if you ever put them on comparison with their Japanese counterparts.
They (the Japs) have evolved bribes and political manipulation into an art form....
It takes 40+ muscles to frown, but only four to extend your arm and bitchslap the motherfucker
I wonder if he pirated any of the 'Hitman' games. Maybe he can plead insanity, Diana from the agency told him to do it!
Why don't we just throw everyone in jail? That way, all of society's problems are solved.
Invite and welcome any japanese people to my own network. For that matter, anyone anywhere. I tend to think that a full-fledged IPv4/IPv6 net is superior to file-trading only protocols, and I have to wonder if that isn't part of this guys problem. Assume for a moment, that his network had a miniature "web" all of its own, where he could have posted this anonymously. Isn't much of their case based on his own statements, that could be traced back to him?
File-trading is nice, but years from now we'll want these networks, just so we can say something without being penalized for it.
This is a much misunderstood figure. The overall crime clear-up rate is a mere 20% - ie, 80% of all reported crimes never get pinned to anyone.
The legal system in Japan differs greatly from the USA and UK (although it resembled France) - rather than going to trial on reasonable grounds of suspicion, the police have to present an almost airtight case before proceding to court. Thus, a lot of the time, either someone will confess, or the police will realise they don't have enough evidence and drop the case, rather than ever proceeding to the largely rubber-stamping of a trial. Note Japan also does not have jury trials.
This would be a bad precedent to start over in that country.
The net result will be a lot of people getting jail time if they create something that can be remotely used for illegal purposes.
It's just wrong to jail the creator. The users that commit a crime are the ones that should be sought.
Its a blow to the concept of freedom ( and yes i realize the country we are talking about.. but still )
---- Booth was a patriot ----
The fake ones on the Simpsons or SNL? Iron Chef? Most Extreme Elimination Challenge?
If a Japanese person's only exposre to US game-shows was "Jackass" and "Fear Factor", do you think they would consider US game-shows more or less extreme or weird than their own?
You are stereo-typing. The game-shows in Japan are not that weird for the most part, though there are a few weird programs - just like in every other TV market. Maybe it just seems funnier because you can't understand the language, and/or the people look different from you.
that IIP, the Invisible IRC Project, died recently? Or does no one care in favor of Japanese efforts at privacy and file transfers? IIP in conjunction with Freenet was a one-two punch by folks who still value privacy, and half of the effort just died because no one cares enough to support it. Let some Japanese P2P author get persecuted, though, and we get a big /. writeup and a million comments. One man arrested is a shit story compared to the hundreds of thousands that IIP + Freenet could bring under the privacy umbrella. Thanks guys.
This disturbs me for one very obvious reason.
BytesTemplar.com
> Police said Kaneko was arrested because Winny
> allowed a 41-year-old man from Takasaki and 19-year-old
> from Matsuyama to illegally download pirated
> games and movies from the Internet,
So... arrest IE, Mozilla, Netscape, Opera, WSFTP creators...
help me i've cloned myself and can't remember which one I am
Abating: To reduce in amount, degree, or intensity; lessen.
Abetting: To approve, encourage, and support (an action or a plan of action); urge and help on.
Thanks to dictionary.com
Whinny was deliberately designed for sharing of copyrighted files, to deliberately obscure the trader's identities toward that aim. If the trading was legitimate, other P2P products would do just fine, the extra features aren't necessary.
There are a lot of legitimate products that can be used for illegal things, but when 99%+ of the uses are illegal then one might be right to question the product.
You can rent cd's by the hour, day, week etc.
Right next to the counter, there are blank MDs.
Tsutaya used to do this when I went to school there.
When CD's cost around 30 bucks, due inpart to the multiple middlemen in Japan (in part the source of their low unemployment figures), I would expect copying to be a problem.
Bring back the old version of slashdot.
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Anyone but a hypocrite can tell you that most P2P apps are indeed made for trading copyrighted material, much like emulators are made for running copyrighted roms.
Try telling that to any member of the gbadev community. I'm one of them, with a few free software projects for GBA under my belt. What do you find so unlawful about using an emulator "for running copyrighted roms" to which you own the copyright or have a license?
What about songwriters who don't perform, Mr. Arbiter-of-who-should-get-paid-for-what? They only get paid from royalties from music sales and on-air performances. How do you intend to compensate them?
Interesting that you bring up songwriters. It seems that almost every song on the charts copies enough from an existing copyrighted song to be a potential infringement. See Bright Tunes v. Harrisongs and this essay.
As for the accusation of drug use by Britney, do you have proof? I'm curious. And anyway, what business is it of yours what she spends her money on?
In the United States, non-users of controlled psychoactive substances have to subsidize the health care of users of such substances through income tax.
I can specifically decline to accept the GPL, and my additional rights to the software terminate at that point. However, this still permits me to use the software that I have legitimately acquired.
The Windows Freenet installer will not let me past the GPL licence screen until I click "I agree".
I use winny to get raws faster than raw-releasing bT groups do.
And apparently, they don't seem to understand that winny itself and by itself is pretty useless. You need a list of active and good nodes to make winny actually work.
You can read the news in English here.
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Very few [music plagiarism] suits (especially when you consider how much music is released each year) are filed. So if you are trying to demonstrate the chilling effect of copyright, you failed.
Do you want to be the next of the very few, especially given that most people can't afford a legal defense?
Al Gore has been arrested for inventing the Internet, thus aiding in widespread copyright infringement. We have his confession on tape.
But seriously, all he did was write the software. It'd be like arresting the founders of Google for because their search engine can be used to find copyrighted materials to infringe upon.
I'm not sure why the media did this. Sensationalism is a possible explanation, but there are also rumors that the police were pressuring them. If true the police is trying to damage the suspect's reputation because it is on shakey legal grounds, violating the suspect's privacy in the process.
This is the worst form of harrassment.
You're paying for fair use.
We (The yanks) have done no better than the japs when it comes to running a government which is not corrupt.
Capitalism and Communism both equally corrupt government and its proven that no government can withstand the economic forces.
People don't exist to serve systems, systems exist to serve people.
"That's Mister 47 to you, pal!"
What's the point of intentionally misspelling "porn" as "pr0n" in what is otherwise a well-written argument?
Don't forget to apologize to the Goatse guy.
Firearms were invented by the chinese, by at latest the 13th century. Who had a substantial history using gunpowder militarily, as well as for social displays and for religious purposes.
When imported to the west, the development of fire arms was pretty rapid. From their first incarnations to flintlock muskets, to rim fire cartriges, to automatic weapons.
There initial advantage was logistical. The weapons were cheap, and easy to train people to use. They didn't take a lifetime of practice like the british longbow. And a man could carry all he could shoot in a day on his person. They weren't perfect of course. Which brings us to the flintlock muskets. More reliable, easier still to use. They dominated the battlefield. The more difficult to load rifle had appeared along with our more conventional shaped ammunition just in time for the War of Independance. Rifling, from which the rifle takes its name, was invented for cannons so the barrels would collect the combustion products and need to be cleaned less frequently. It was a lucky happenstance that the right amount of twist in the rifling also stabilized the projectile. But the rifles themselves were favored for superior accuracy at range when hunting game, so the greater complexity of the weapon wasn't a detriment. But when war came, they were superbly adaptated killing another large mammal. Then we move onto the early 19th century and the percusion detonating principle and in 1835 Sam Colt making all men equal. Shotguns, for bird hunting were invented not long after. Of course the characteristics of the shotguns make them superb for any number of situations involving killing people and occastionally have colorful product names like "Streetsweeper". A decade later the spencer repeating rifle and gatling gun are invented. Lincon test fired a Spencer and purchased 10,000. It would become the principle repeating rifle in the American Civil War. The gatling gun is more interesting. Invented by Dr. John Gatling, he hoped to create a weapons so horrible the folly of war could not be sustained. It would take hydrogen weapons to make that dream happen in even limited aspect. Then to center fire cartiges, cartrige revolvers and the Winchester rifle, "the gun that won the west". Just before the 20th century automatic handguns made their appearence. I haven't gotten to the M1 Garand, BAR, Ma duece, the Thompson sub-machine gun, Sig 44 "Sturmgewehr", let alone the more modern era and the design choices involved in the M16, and AK-47. Funny in 800+ years of history nearly every significant improvement and event is connected with killing people. Certainly that's got to be some sort of coincidence.
I don't consider myself a do gooder. I do consider myself to be very honest, and one of the increasingly rare people who even know what integrity is. But that's about as far as my good goes. I know what my time is worth. It's my hourly rate. But unlike you, I don't think so little of others that I feel the need to shamefully pass of obvious rhetoric I heard elsewhere as insight. The problem isn't guns, it's lying sacks of shit just like you.
And yeah, if everyone else was pathologically honest, it would be a better simpler world. Imagine it, news you could use, ads that would help you make good choices in allocating capital, with people who wouldn't steal it. What a simple life. No one would need a filter for all the unrepentant ass-clowns polluting the gene pool with their bottomless sacks of bullshit.
But you're just baiting me. Again, obviously. Even for one such as yourself, it's a primitive, almost desperate attempt at misdirection. It's not about me, and what I believe, it's about your total inability to be truthful, even to yourself. Why should anyone not looking for a white noise machine entertain the thought of suffering your presence? You bring nothing to the table. But your argument, that since I demand you be the least bit honest it neccesarily follows that I be a homicidal homosexual rapist with an appetite for swarthy men and light bondage, a little amusing. Quite the non-sequitor. It's almost absurd enough to be bad art.
just like the subject says.....
This is a very new legal concept in the US. In English law the King could sue your cart if it ran down the hill and caused damage. Before drug laws were changed in the US the proximite cause would have been the person who improperly chocked the wheels on the cart.
It seems so obvious to me where the fault and causation lies here, so obvious that blaming a cart for following gravity is insane and clearly just an excuse for the King to add to his cart/ Cash collection. But... lots of people here seem to think that file systems (guns, bleach, kerosene etc) can cause crime. It is Orwellian. BK425
I don't think that any technology should be outlawed, just watched and understood.
Therefore, you are 100% wrong. This correction brought to you by the Right-Winger Group.
What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity.-Edward Abbey
I thought it said whiny when I read the headline :)
My Gawd WTF...
you could just come up with a new name for all other applications. ("federated", perhaps?)
...welcome our new federation of TCP overlords!
--- You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad- Neal (not Cowboy) Boortz
Winny was written in the wake of a WinMX arrest and designed for the purpose of safely illegally trading works. If it had just been $RANDOM_P2P_SOFTWARE it would've been a problem; this, however, was made to violate copyright.
Back when the US was still developing and expanding, it didn't give a damn about European copyrights. The land of the free was free because it was in its own economic interest to be so.
It will be interesting to see whether today's developing nations get away with the same attitude and approach...
A friend of Mr. 47(Mr. Kaneko) issues a call for Supporting Mr.Kaneko(Mr.47) (Japanese Ed.) .
Now, there is only Japanese edition. I regret that my poor English ability does not allow to prepare English translation of this call. But the friend knows that there are foreign friends, he will prepare English translation.
Mod Parent Up
http://slashdot.jp/articles/04/05/12/0036258.shtml (in Japanese)
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AC is afraid of the big brother in Kyoto.
It's in japanese only but it is a support site for the developer. So far, US$10K donated. It doesn't look like they have a paypal account (yet:-).