This post is totally correct. We are technologists. We have responsibilities to our ultimate client; The Public. We are artists, like it or not. If our employers fail to understand that they are utilising *talent* then they deserve to self-destruct. I have absolutely no mercy for the self - deluded. They should know who they are hiring. If they are hiring the Best, then they know they are taking a risk on OUR economy. The economy of art. We're every bit as reliable as they are, except we're not greedy! BUT, if they hang around, we can create wealth. A wealth of art, a wealth of charity, a wealth of, well, Wealth! Well being! For all of us!
DANGER! RANT ALERT! Perhaps I don't get the GNU paradigm right, but I find VAST amounts of open source code woefully underdocumented. In fact, MOST of it! Some sort of map to the source should be provided as a matter of course; recursive makes should be avoided; Changelogs should actually LOG CHANGES; and in a manner that folks not intimately involved w/the project can understand! Linux kernel is a prime example. I'm running 2.2.13. Works great. Nowhere in the docs are the enhancements over 2.0.0 explained in a coherent manner. Or the enhancements over the 1.2.13 I started with. The comments in the code are so 'cliquey' when they exist that I have no idea where I am w/out grepping my brains out and flicking betwixt a bazillion xterms. This is not good, even as intellectual excercise This bespeaks a cavalier disregard for the audience. We are not cliques *here*, despite how usenet may make things look. The clearer we can explain to each other, the less of what I now realise to be cheap one-upsmanship will present itself in the open source arena. I see people staking out ground in this new world, and I don't like it. I see priesthoods developing. Perl people with cryptic.sigs giggling to themselves about how clever they are ( like the fairly (?) clueful but ultimately useless perl group denizen abigail -- you're killfiled, girl! all criticism, no content! RTFM - on Humanity! Anyone who reads perl or html groups will know the bitter wannabe abigail. DAMN! that felt good! WHO'S WITH ME?) We need to get the actual developers involved in the LDP and carry their weight THERE to make this thing work. It's all very sexy to create code and have the world lavish praise upon you, but have the courtesy to document what you do so so you don't need a sycophant class to follow you around scribing down everything you say. Apparently that's where the LDP is right now; shoveling up the spoor of our heroes so as to serve up a feeble portion of their vast 'knowledge' to the groveling masses. I don't think this is actual intent, but the evidence indicates otherwise, at least to me...
Best AC post I've seen in a very long time. I don't know whether to hug you or hunt you down, tackle your sorry ass to the ground, gnaw through your rib cage and tear your still beating heart out with my bare teeth. Ain't ambiguity great?
I am so sick and fscking tired of seeing outrageous criminal actions and their prosecutions terminating in a 'plea bargain.' I am also sick and fscking tired of seeing outrageous corporate actions and their prosecutions terminating in a 'settlement.' Neither resolutions result in actual LAW. We need actual case law, unencumbered by hush orders to guide us, and create a stable legal world. I want to see the the doj run this baby right up to the supreme court. I think that at this point at time, they're pretty pragmatic, but pure on the law. M$ would be crushed so bad they could never recover. I'd love to see that.
THIS is probably one of the most OBSCENE bizness stories I've EVER seen! OOH! You're DYING, you say? HERE, try my new superinnoculated antimicrobial NOSE SPRAY! As seen on TV! So what if you're right here in the ER w/your mind addled by fever. YOU NEED IT, RIGHT? SO FUCKING SIGN! And you get a 5$ dose of some cephalosporin for $1800. Measure by need? Tax the poor, cause they need more? Thank god I have reloading gear. Damn, we're gonna need it.... I had more, but my gorge is all bouyant all of a sudden... Anyone remember a british film, Eat The Rich? They won't feed anyone, but they might make a damn satisfying snack.
If Buffett goes for this shit (which I think should appall him), it's time to bring back the guillotine. And YES, I know what could come next...
I haven't had a chance to read the previous comments on this topic, but I think probably the best thing we could all see in the freeware community is for two diametrically opposed colossi to battle this matter (and others like it-- You hearing me , IBM? You're against the ropes. Time to FIGHT! You can afford lawyers, dammit! Do The Right Thing! You used to!) out in the courts to the bitter end. Settlements create 'conventions' with no real case law behind them. We need real, honest-to-god *judgements* with some serious meat behind them to put a cessation to all this pointless wheel-spinning. Intellectual Property law is starting to get seriously obscene. Som yutz can take a blood sample from me and patent *MY FUCKING GENES*! MINE! I'd have to PAY to get the benefits of my own genetic content! That last crack is no joke. It's law. Shit like this has to be stopped. We can stop it. Don't cooperate. As geeks, we create this technology. We own it. It's ours. Give your PHB's some shit now and then. Let 'em know who's REALLY boss, should we choose to take that mantle back. Sure we'd suck at it, but at least we'd care about..... quality! This question is hard to solve, but we have a role in making it happen. Let's all stop hiding. Is there a way we could all make a point to these bozos in a gentle yet 'we MEAN business' manner? So they know a real Atlas Shrugged scenario is at the end of it? If all the bucks in electronic banking stopped flying at once, that might do it. After all, most of our current apparent prosperity is based on monetary differentials. If the buck stopped, that fiction would be exposed immediately. Could be a good thing, actually... Hmmmm... MUST STOP GODLIKE THOUGHT PATTER^&*( ---NO CARRIER---
I know. It hurt to read it. My inner spellmeister was apoplectic. However... His head was obviously exceeding his pinkys' ability to follow. The thought was cogent, even if his delivery was wanting. He's obviously young, and his response to an intensely bogus situation is what he thought was appropriate. Counter bogosity with even more bogosity. Burst the balloon. Show some truth by blowing the gaskets of the facade machine. He didn't, however count on the truly astounding stupidity of those who run MTV. (Jesse Camp? HUH? *Real World??* HHUUHH!! WTF!) He got burned, like so many who venture into the mtv universe. It's all about bucks, sensationalism, perpetuating idiocy in every way possible. Stupid people piss their money away at a faster rate than smart people do. Simple. They're gaining, man. RUN!
Once you understand michelson-moreley (sp?) most of special and general relativity are obvious. Not *easy* mind you, but *obvious*. I don't easily remember the emc2 connection at this moment but it's nothing next to the initial insights. If you'd attempt a true (even spam-camouflaged) e-mail, we'd discuss it, but since you won't, I can't illuminate you further. You lose.
IBM recognises that linux is a defacto standard in emerging markets. Witness the mexican school system's choice of linux as their OS of choice. Point 1: It's *nix. Any market built on it *guarantees* computer literate user base, and student bodies; unlike here, (US) where we're sliding backwards, thanks to M$. Point 2: It's free! Perfect for economies who to wish to later integrate into the larger global market. No licensing issues. Point 3: Eager and enthusiastic user community! We make mac advocates look like pussies. Point 4: Vendor loyalty! We've shown ourselves as the most competent bunch of idiots ever to support an OS. We respect those that at least tolerate us. We support *them*. Point 5: IBM has a rich hacker history, even if it's only within its own organisation. I've talked to a few of these guys. They're compsci thru and thru. To survive, they must come alive as a youthful and vital organism again. Looks like somebody in corporate has acquired a clue or two about that... Be charitable here. Those IBM'ers toiling away in the guts of the colossus would probably appreciate it a lot.
Good god, man! Ever hear of Huffman Coding? A Fucking brilliant and obvious ( as all great things are ) means of tokenising sequences of strings for later enlargement. It's as obvious as E=MC2. BUT nobody looked at the obvious so directly as he (and Turing, and Einstein, and possibly Feynman ) and his peers. I'm explaining badly here, so I'll bow out. Affiliations, politics, etc can darken a man/woman's vision. Huffman's vision at one early point in his life was extremely pure. That should be celebrated. BTW I'm 45 and my hair raises at the very mention of his name. Fare Well, old friend... Pete.
Personally, I think you are thought impaired. Geeks CAN write, and I'm sure Jon realizes that. Try Stan Kelly Bootle (SP?) He TOTALLY rocks! Devil's IP dictionary. So excellent.
You rock, guy. Thank you. Our collective enemy is willful ignorance masqerading as so called 'sophistication'. People believe in things because of direct, empirical contact. To assume cluelessness on the part of another on the basis of their lack of knowledge of YOUR experience is the most obscene form of vanity. I see it in ASR all the time. That's why I removed the whining bozos from my spool. I love 'em, but I just can't stand 'em. They're pussies. The lot of them. Your own heart is usually your best guide to stuff. You can tell when you've chosen a wrong path.. you suddenly get stupid. In the extreme. Like many of these posters...
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Perhaps you deserve a dunce award yourself for buying into the notion that tacoboy and his minions took this as other than a really excellent quality joke. I got it. Apparently you didn't. You should relax a bit. I mean it. Sincerely.
I was brought up catholic, and although I'm more of a zen sort of guy now, I still have deep affection for my old school. I think the Jesux page is a rather generous, gentle parody with a lot of heart. Sincere Christians would get a huge kick out of it. The tech references are clueful, the theology is a bit out there, but I know Christians who joke about stuff like abortion dogma and biblical interpretation amongst themselves to a degree you'd think they were longshoremen gloating about in-port conquests. I've met former divinity students who had Last Temptation of Christ keggers! For a final appraisal, you guys should ask guys like Russ Nelson and Larry Wall what they think. They're prominent Christian open-sourcers, and personally, I think they'd find this page a total hoot.
Sounds a lot like what VNC does, this Sun Ray business. Seeing as VNC is open source, and linux has this frame-buffer thingy in development, couldn't a fusion of the two put linux into play as providing a similar environment on legacy hardware? Non trivial, I'm sure but eminently doable. Any thoughts, folks?
Uh oh.. Didn't see your post first time round. I mention it again further down. It's a must-read, however. Thanks for reminding me of the name of the author.
Is a cute little tome I stumbled across at my local library: From Dits to Bits. Don't recall the author's name, but IIRC he was *there*. The title refers to morse code (dits) and, obviously, computer's bits, and the book follows the concept of information encoding, through eniac, and chronicles the first attempts at the realisation of a commercial computing system. Fascinating read. These guys had at it like cavemen fashioning a 747 with flint axes. They had to create all their tools from scratch, and hand-over-hand their way up the ladder of creation. Don't know if it's still in print, but it deserves a place right up there w/ Mythical Man Month and Soul of a New Machine. GREAT book!
People loved this guy. I know I did. NOBODY wrote like he did. Hell, he wrote like he fscking INVENTED the internet, PERSONALLY. He knew this stuff that well. You know a person is beloved when... Speculation that his death might be a hoax emerges. Iconoclasts start pissing on them right away. Our microcephalic AC's have actually heartened me this day. They bolster Stevens' greatness all the more. I will, however keep an eye out for him at my local 7-11. Ya just never know...
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This will help. A lot.
This post is totally correct. We are technologists. We have responsibilities to our ultimate client; The Public.
We are artists, like it or not. If our employers fail to understand that they are utilising *talent* then they deserve to self-destruct. I have absolutely no mercy for the self - deluded. They should know who they are hiring. If they are hiring the Best, then they know they are taking a risk on OUR economy. The economy of art. We're every bit as reliable as they are, except we're not greedy!
BUT, if they hang around, we can create wealth. A wealth of art, a wealth of charity, a wealth of, well, Wealth! Well being! For all of us!
DANGER! RANT ALERT! .sigs giggling to themselves about how clever they are ( like the fairly (?) clueful but ultimately useless perl group denizen abigail -- you're killfiled, girl! all criticism, no content! RTFM - on Humanity! Anyone who reads perl or html groups will know the bitter wannabe abigail. DAMN! that felt good! WHO'S WITH ME?)
Perhaps I don't get the GNU paradigm right, but I find VAST amounts of open source code woefully underdocumented. In fact, MOST of it!
Some sort of map to the source should be provided as a matter of course; recursive makes should be avoided; Changelogs should actually LOG CHANGES; and in a manner that folks not intimately involved w/the project can understand!
Linux kernel is a prime example. I'm running 2.2.13. Works great. Nowhere in the docs are the enhancements over 2.0.0 explained in a coherent manner. Or the enhancements over the 1.2.13 I started with. The comments in the code are so 'cliquey' when they exist that I have no idea where I am w/out grepping my brains out and flicking betwixt a bazillion xterms.
This is not good, even as intellectual excercise This bespeaks a cavalier disregard for the audience. We are not cliques *here*, despite how usenet may make things look.
The clearer we can explain to each other, the less of what I now realise to be cheap one-upsmanship will present itself in the open source arena. I see people staking out ground in this new world, and I don't like it. I see priesthoods developing. Perl people with cryptic
We need to get the actual developers involved in the LDP and carry their weight THERE to make this thing work. It's all very sexy to create code and have the world lavish praise upon you, but have the courtesy to document what you do so so you don't need a sycophant class to follow you around scribing down everything you say. Apparently that's where the LDP is right now; shoveling up the spoor of our heroes so as to serve up a feeble portion of their vast 'knowledge' to the groveling masses.
I don't think this is actual intent, but the evidence indicates otherwise, at least to me...
Best AC post I've seen in a very long time.
I don't know whether to hug you or hunt you down, tackle your sorry ass to the ground, gnaw through your rib cage and tear your still beating heart out with my bare teeth.
Ain't ambiguity great?
I am so sick and fscking tired of seeing outrageous criminal actions and their prosecutions terminating in a 'plea bargain.'
I am also sick and fscking tired of seeing outrageous corporate actions and their prosecutions terminating in a 'settlement.'
Neither resolutions result in actual LAW.
We need actual case law, unencumbered by hush orders to guide us, and create a stable legal world.
I want to see the the doj run this baby right up to the supreme court. I think that at this point at time, they're pretty pragmatic, but pure on the law.
M$ would be crushed so bad they could never recover.
I'd love to see that.
Thanks MUCH for your perspective...
Sniff.... Hold it...(I'm NOT talking weed here!) Ahhh....
Nice to see someone else who gets it.
Pete.
THIS is probably one of the most OBSCENE bizness stories I've EVER seen!
OOH! You're DYING, you say? HERE, try my new superinnoculated antimicrobial NOSE SPRAY! As seen on TV! So what if you're right here in the ER w/your mind addled by fever. YOU NEED IT, RIGHT?
SO FUCKING SIGN!
And you get a 5$ dose of some cephalosporin for $1800. Measure by need? Tax the poor, cause they need more?
Thank god I have reloading gear. Damn, we're gonna need it....
I had more, but my gorge is all bouyant all of a sudden...
Anyone remember a british film, Eat The Rich?
They won't feed anyone, but they might make a damn satisfying snack.
If Buffett goes for this shit (which I think should appall him), it's time to bring back the guillotine.
And YES, I know what could come next...
I haven't had a chance to read the previous comments on this topic, but I think probably the best thing we could all see in the freeware community is for two diametrically opposed colossi to battle this matter (and others like it-- You hearing me , IBM? You're against the ropes. Time to FIGHT! You can afford lawyers, dammit! Do The Right Thing! You used to!) out in the courts to the bitter end. ..... quality!
Settlements create 'conventions' with no real case law behind them. We need real, honest-to-god *judgements* with some serious meat behind them to put a cessation to all this pointless wheel-spinning.
Intellectual Property law is starting to get seriously obscene. Som yutz can take a blood sample from me and patent *MY FUCKING GENES*! MINE! I'd have to PAY to get the benefits of my own genetic content!
That last crack is no joke. It's law.
Shit like this has to be stopped. We can stop it. Don't cooperate. As geeks, we create this technology. We own it. It's ours.
Give your PHB's some shit now and then. Let 'em know who's REALLY boss, should we choose to take that mantle back.
Sure we'd suck at it, but at least we'd care about
This question is hard to solve, but we have a role in making it happen. Let's all stop hiding. Is there a way we could all make a point to these bozos in a gentle yet 'we MEAN business' manner?
So they know a real Atlas Shrugged scenario is at the end of it?
If all the bucks in electronic banking stopped flying at once, that might do it. After all, most of our current apparent prosperity is based on monetary differentials. If the buck stopped, that fiction would be exposed immediately. Could be a good thing, actually...
Hmmmm...
MUST STOP GODLIKE THOUGHT PATTER^&*(
---NO CARRIER---
I have an affliction that causes me to spell perfectly at all times. I'd rather be dyslexic, if that would obviate some of the stress...
I know. It hurt to read it. My inner spellmeister was apoplectic. However...
His head was obviously exceeding his pinkys' ability to follow. The thought was cogent, even if his delivery was wanting.
He's obviously young, and his response to an intensely bogus situation is what he thought was appropriate. Counter bogosity with even more bogosity. Burst the balloon. Show some truth by blowing the gaskets of the facade machine.
He didn't, however count on the truly astounding stupidity of those who run MTV. (Jesse Camp? HUH? *Real World??* HHUUHH!! WTF!)
He got burned, like so many who venture into the mtv universe. It's all about bucks, sensationalism, perpetuating idiocy in every way possible. Stupid people piss their money away at a faster rate than smart people do.
Simple.
They're gaining, man.
RUN!
>>We make mac advocates look like pussies.
:)
>> [...]
>> We respect those that at least tolerate us.
> These two statements seem to be in direct conflict.
Ah! A discerning reader! B^P
Pete.
Once you understand michelson-moreley (sp?) most of special and general relativity are obvious. Not *easy* mind you, but *obvious*. I don't easily remember the emc2 connection at this moment but it's nothing next to the initial insights.
If you'd attempt a true (even spam-camouflaged) e-mail, we'd discuss it, but since you won't, I can't illuminate you further. You lose.
IBM recognises that linux is a defacto standard in emerging markets. Witness the mexican school system's choice of linux as their OS of choice.
Point 1:
It's *nix. Any market built on it *guarantees* computer literate user base, and student bodies; unlike here, (US) where we're sliding backwards, thanks to M$.
Point 2:
It's free! Perfect for economies who to wish to later integrate into the larger global market. No licensing issues.
Point 3:
Eager and enthusiastic user community! We make mac advocates look like pussies.
Point 4:
Vendor loyalty! We've shown ourselves as the most competent bunch of idiots ever to support an OS. We respect those that at least tolerate us. We support *them*.
Point 5:
IBM has a rich hacker history, even if it's only within its own organisation. I've talked to a few of these guys. They're compsci thru and thru.
To survive, they must come alive as a youthful and vital organism again. Looks like somebody in corporate has acquired a clue or two about that...
Be charitable here. Those IBM'ers toiling away in the guts of the colossus would probably appreciate it a lot.
Good god, man! Ever hear of Huffman Coding? A Fucking brilliant and obvious ( as all great things are ) means of tokenising sequences of strings for later enlargement. It's as obvious as E=MC2. BUT nobody looked at the obvious so directly as he (and Turing, and Einstein, and possibly Feynman ) and his peers.
I'm explaining badly here, so I'll bow out.
Affiliations, politics, etc can darken a man/woman's vision. Huffman's vision at one early point in his life was extremely pure.
That should be celebrated.
BTW I'm 45 and my hair raises at the very mention of his name.
Fare Well, old friend...
Pete.
Personally, I think you are thought impaired.
Geeks CAN write, and I'm sure Jon realizes that.
Try Stan Kelly Bootle (SP?) He TOTALLY rocks! Devil's IP dictionary. So excellent.
You rock, guy. Thank you.
Our collective enemy is willful ignorance masqerading as so called 'sophistication'.
People believe in things because of direct, empirical contact. To assume cluelessness on the part of another on the basis of their lack of knowledge of YOUR experience is the most obscene form of vanity. I see it in ASR all the time. That's why I removed the whining bozos from my spool. I love 'em, but I just can't stand 'em. They're pussies. The lot of them.
Your own heart is usually your best guide to stuff. You can tell when you've chosen a wrong path.. you suddenly get stupid. In the extreme. Like many of these posters...
Perhaps you deserve a dunce award yourself for buying into the notion that tacoboy and his minions took this as other than a really excellent quality joke.
I got it.
Apparently you didn't.
You should relax a bit. I mean it. Sincerely.
I was brought up catholic, and although I'm more of a zen sort of guy now, I still have deep affection for my old school. I think the Jesux page is a rather generous, gentle parody with a lot of heart. Sincere Christians would get a huge kick out of it. The tech references are clueful, the theology is a bit out there, but I know Christians who joke about stuff like abortion dogma and biblical interpretation amongst themselves to a degree you'd think they were longshoremen gloating about in-port conquests. I've met former divinity students who had Last Temptation of Christ keggers!
For a final appraisal, you guys should ask guys like Russ Nelson and Larry Wall what they think. They're prominent Christian open-sourcers, and personally, I think they'd find this page a total hoot.
Sounds a lot like what VNC does, this Sun Ray business. Seeing as VNC is open source, and linux has this frame-buffer thingy in development, couldn't a fusion of the two put linux into play as providing a similar environment on legacy hardware? Non trivial, I'm sure but eminently doable.
Any thoughts, folks?
The post is the output of a gibberish generation program. A good one, but probably not totally autonomous. This crap has been seen here before.
MAN! That is SO COOL! Let's port linux to it!
Uh oh..
Didn't see your post first time round. I mention it again further down. It's a must-read, however. Thanks for reminding me of the name of the author.
Is a cute little tome I stumbled across at my local library: From Dits to Bits.
Don't recall the author's name, but IIRC he was *there*.
The title refers to morse code (dits) and, obviously, computer's bits, and the book follows the concept of information encoding, through eniac, and chronicles the first attempts at the realisation of a commercial computing system. Fascinating read. These guys had at it like cavemen fashioning a 747 with flint axes. They had to create all their tools from scratch, and hand-over-hand their way up the ladder of creation. Don't know if it's still in print, but it deserves a place right up there w/ Mythical Man Month and Soul of a New Machine.
GREAT book!
People loved this guy. I know I did. NOBODY wrote like he did. Hell, he wrote like he fscking INVENTED the internet, PERSONALLY. He knew this stuff that well.
You know a person is beloved when...
Speculation that his death might be a hoax emerges.
Iconoclasts start pissing on them right away.
Our microcephalic AC's have actually heartened me this day. They bolster Stevens' greatness all the more.
I will, however keep an eye out for him at my local 7-11. Ya just never know...
Gawd, I hate bad gibberish - generation software.