But the thing is he didn't have to change his name when he sold the brand.
A trademark is specific to a particular category, the exclusivity only applies to the specifically stated category. For example he is free to start McAfee Pharmaceuticals Inc but not McAfee Software Development Inc. Similarly names are outside of the stated category.
Should we only ever get one chance to use our real names as a brand?
You are not limited to one chance unless you voluntarily SELL a brand based on your name, and again its category specific. He could have sold the technology, the software/data/patents/etc, while retaining the company/brand name. But he would have received less money. He CHOSE to go for a bigger payday by letting the name/brand go.
Cry me a river. He sold his name out, now he has to live with the consequences.
Exactly. He chose his name as a "brand", he trademarked that name/brand, he sold that name/brand. He received large sums of money so others could exclusively use that name/brand.
If he wants that name/brand he can buy it, just like the people he sold it to.
I just don't see the connection between upgrading hardware and upgrading software. If someone who builds their own system elects to upgrade or replace existing hardware this action is separate from shelling out $100 or whatever it is for Windows 10 isn't it? Why do you think one would be linked to the other?
Even in the BYO community it is quite normal to use the recent OS when building a new system. Once you are upgrading motherboard, CPU and RAM you are so close to a new machine one might as well go all the way. Plus leaving a perfectly good motherboard, CPU and RAM sitting around unused is something that seems to go against the personality of many BYO'ers. Upgrading the motherboard only seems more common when a board dies and then the same or comparable motherboard is used that is compatible with the CPU and RAM. I just don't see putting a gen7 motherboard in an old box running Win7 being that common of a scenario.
It isn't about demand for Windows 7 because they would already have it at that point. Or are your remarks limited to only people who didn't have PCs before building their own for the first time? That wouldn't make much sense.
Most BYO'ers use an OEM version of Windows and can not move the OS from an old machine to a new machine. As mentioned above the older machine tends to be left running. That way the BYO'er has a working machine while testing out the new build. Secondary machines are useful too, whether its testing on lower end hardware, a headless Linux box in the closet, etc.
Next months gen 7 hardware that only supports Win10 will be largely indistinguishable from currently available gen 6 hardware that supports Win7. This gen 6 hardware will be available for many years to come.
Doubt people really want to go out and spend their money on old technology.
It will be cheaper and performance wise it will be virtually indistinguishable. The performance difference between two successive generations just isn't what it used to be. Gen 5 DDR3 parts are still selling today despite gen 6 DDR4 parts having been out for a while. If a person is not a serious gamer a lowly gen 5 i3 is likely overpowered for what they need.
Microsoft did just run an all out campaign for a whole year in which they did everything they could including resorting to dirty tricks to cow people into upgrading. At the end of it there are twice the number of Windows 7 PCs than Windows 10.
It has never been common for people to upgrade a working system's OS. The historical trend has been that a new OS gains in market share as new PCs are sold. Win7 is only hanging around because people are still using older machines, as mentioned above machines have much greater useful lives than they used to. Two to three times the useful life. This is stretching out the lifespan of Win7. As new hardware are purchased Win7 will be replaced, the need for new hardware to support Win7 is minimal. Even more so given the similarity of gen 6 and gen 7 performance wise. Corporation and such that are slow to migrate can just order gen 6 based systems and suffer near zero impact.
I'm saying there will probably be very little demand for Windows 7 support from consumers buying the latest and greatest motherboards in the future and building their own system.
If there is so little demand and nobody builds their own systems why is there such a huge selection of motherboards, cases, processors and peripherals to chose from? Not just online but local retail?
Re-read. I wrote little demand for Win7 in the future not BYO in the future.
What Intel is actually doing is refusing to support the most popular and widely used PC operating system in the whole wide world on their new hardware.
Next months gen 7 hardware that only supports Win10 will be largely indistinguishable from currently available gen 6 hardware that supports Win7. This gen 6 hardware will be available for many years to come. The declining minority that wants Win7 will not lack hardware options.
Win7's current popularity is largely an artifact of PCs having useful lives two to three times what they used to be. Most are using Win7 merely because its what is on the computer, if their next computer has Win10 they will most likely be perfectly happy. This is no sizeable Win7-forever camp even among the BYO let alone consumers at large.
I'd wager it has more to do with essential support for 7 ending at some date defined by when sales of 7 ended. I.e. giving those last buyers two or three years of essential support.
Wait, are you saying that there won't be any demand for Windows 7 support from consumers?
I'm saying there will probably be very little demand for Windows 7 support from consumers buying the latest and greatest motherboards in the future and building their own system.
Most consumers don't build-your-own, they buy a box from a major vendor that has the current version of Windows.
To be clear, you understand that this move by Intel and AMD does not change Windows 7 support on any existing motherboards, that their decision only applies to future motherboard designs? No existing chip designs are losing support.
Does that mean that I can get a new version of the app store on iOS 4.3? B'cos that's what I have on the iPod Touch. If I can, I will, and then see what apps can be updated.
This functionality is server side and transparent to the user. When you download an app it just gives you the compatible version. You don't need a current version of the App Store app. I think I tried it as far back as a 3rd gen iPod touch last year. Did you mean iOS 4.2? That is where the 2nd gen iPod touch is at, the 3rd is at 5.1. So I only tried it as far back as iOS 5 if I am remembering correctly.
There are usually chips on a motherboard that do not come from Intel. Last month I put together a new PC and the motherboard (ASUS) only came with Windows 8 and 10 drivers.
BTW, I used to buy Intel motherboards, support was superb, but that is no longer an option.
Funny how all of a sudden Windows 7 will be such a pain to support for future architecture.
Its not that its a pain, its that there is likely a lack of demand. If I had to test with Windows 7 on the new PC I'd probably create a VM rather than dual boot. Plus I have the six year old PC it replaced that has Windows 7 (and 10, it dual boots, its my low end target system now).
With respect to slow moving corporate clients, the summary suggests the move by Intel and AMD coincides with declining Windows 7 support from Microsoft. I'd be surprised if there would be much demand from that quarter either.
By the time the hardware arrives Windows 10 won't be new, it will merely be the current OS.
And its not exactly a new thing. I recently built a new PC based on a recently released ASUS motherboard. ASUS only provided chipset drivers for Windows 8 and 10. Not sure if 7 would work. Doubtful Vista and older would work correctly.
Why? This affects no existing hardware. Its just that future hardware will not support Windows 7 and 8.
And frankly this is pretty much what happens under Android too, a chip vendor developing some new chip's drivers only for the current Android version. Will that make Android/Linux fans flock to iOS when they learn their Samsung Galaxy S8 can not run Android 4.4?
... but the store should at least have older versions of apps for devices that are stuck on an old version of an OS...
They do. They introduced this behavior to the App Store last year when iOS 9 was introduced. The App Store downloads the most recent version compatible with a device. However the developer can mark specific versions to be excluded so a developer can prevent this.
....to those who run older versions of IOS and have bought an app
Older iOS versions and older devices are still supported. When you download an iOS app from the App Store it delivers the most recent version of the app that is compatible with your device.
6,500 jobs leads to the perception of being a job creator and can keep a politician in political office, or get them a better political office. Votes are even more important to politicians than money.
Old FORTRAN code lives on behind the GUI or web interface. I once ported some old mainframe computational chemistry code for a very large international corporation. They wanted their legacy code moved from mainframes to MS Windows. At startup their legacy FORTAN code interactively queried for six parameters. I created a Windows front end in C that had a dialog box with six entry fields. After the user pressed the OK button and the six parameters passed verification in the C code they were plugged into the expected input variables in the legacy FORTRAN code and the computation went on its merry way.
Except for the interactive queries the FORTRAN code needed zero modifications. The port needed a few days, most of that testing before handing it off to the chemists. From their perspective it was just a native windows app.
Java is the new COBOL. Given we need a language for that role, I actually think Java's pretty good.
As one of my professors once argued, its usually the accompanying libraries that make or break a language in more recent years. Java's advantage is simply a "more capable" "standard library".
Also we went recently through a phase in computer science education where people were really only taught java. Its the only tool in their toolbox.
From TFS, "c's problems": c doesn't have "problems"; programmers who don't use c have problems.
That is actually what TIOBE measures. It counts Google searches. C programmers are smart enough that they don't need to search for answers on Google, or they use a better website, such as Stackoverflow.
We use neither google nor stack overflow, we have K&R on PDF.
The years of RND have already been paid, by other money, or they wouldn't have happened.
You are attempting to say it is a sunk cost by the time a product ships. That is an irrelevant detail as R&D is ongoing and coming out of today's revenue too. Selling a product at its cost of production is a sign of a desperate and dying company, a company that can no longer afford to create future products and services for itself.
Nobody does RND on a loan, and if it were a load, the loan payments are cost of production, as are salaries.
Companies use debt to finance R&D all the time. Whatever accounting category you place the expense in it is still coming out of company revenue and reducing profits. None of the above changes the fact that Apple's profit margin is 40% not 400%.
I am not supporting any worker abuse but lets at least get the facts right. Apple's profit margin is around 40%, not 400%. Many people around here make the mistake of looking at manufacturing costs but not factoring in the years of R&D that went into something, the overhead of a company, etc.
Plus the 16-19th century was full of many time long term boat trips in confined spaces.
Where officers were allowed to flog the crew to maintain order and work performance, even the occasional hanging of the truly unruly. I expect NASA wants a more relaxed environment.
FWIW, dehydrated food is much better today than when I was a kid decades ago. Of course, everything tastes better when hiking/camping. That may not hold true in lab experiments.
I think the Navy's experience with submarine crews would be most relevant, food needs to be excellent to prevent morale problems when isolated from the world for months at a time.
And how Linux is used in Android is that it hosts Android. Android is not "based on" Linux. Android is something very different. CentOS is based on Red Hat, Ubuntu is based on Debian, etc.
Aging is not much of a problem. Just move the important stuff from CD-R to DVD-R, to BD-R, etc as times goes on and you get new media.
For example the first backup on DVD-R starts with the last CD-R and adds newer stuff, the first backup on BD-R begins with the last DVD-R and adds newer stuff. Of course I'm not referring to complete system backups, rather backups of source code hierarchies, document hierarchies, etc. Music, videos, photos hierarchies not included; they are better backed up to external USB hard drives.
That said, I'd also backup to USB memory sticks and SD cards for redundancy.
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But the thing is he didn't have to change his name when he sold the brand.
A trademark is specific to a particular category, the exclusivity only applies to the specifically stated category. For example he is free to start McAfee Pharmaceuticals Inc but not McAfee Software Development Inc. Similarly names are outside of the stated category.
Should we only ever get one chance to use our real names as a brand?
You are not limited to one chance unless you voluntarily SELL a brand based on your name, and again its category specific. He could have sold the technology, the software/data/patents/etc, while retaining the company/brand name. But he would have received less money. He CHOSE to go for a bigger payday by letting the name/brand go.
Cry me a river. He sold his name out, now he has to live with the consequences.
Exactly. He chose his name as a "brand", he trademarked that name/brand, he sold that name/brand. He received large sums of money so others could exclusively use that name/brand.
If he wants that name/brand he can buy it, just like the people he sold it to.
I just don't see the connection between upgrading hardware and upgrading software. If someone who builds their own system elects to upgrade or replace existing hardware this action is separate from shelling out $100 or whatever it is for Windows 10 isn't it? Why do you think one would be linked to the other?
Even in the BYO community it is quite normal to use the recent OS when building a new system. Once you are upgrading motherboard, CPU and RAM you are so close to a new machine one might as well go all the way. Plus leaving a perfectly good motherboard, CPU and RAM sitting around unused is something that seems to go against the personality of many BYO'ers. Upgrading the motherboard only seems more common when a board dies and then the same or comparable motherboard is used that is compatible with the CPU and RAM. I just don't see putting a gen7 motherboard in an old box running Win7 being that common of a scenario.
It isn't about demand for Windows 7 because they would already have it at that point. Or are your remarks limited to only people who didn't have PCs before building their own for the first time? That wouldn't make much sense.
Most BYO'ers use an OEM version of Windows and can not move the OS from an old machine to a new machine. As mentioned above the older machine tends to be left running. That way the BYO'er has a working machine while testing out the new build. Secondary machines are useful too, whether its testing on lower end hardware, a headless Linux box in the closet, etc.
Next months gen 7 hardware that only supports Win10 will be largely indistinguishable from currently available gen 6 hardware that supports Win7. This gen 6 hardware will be available for many years to come.
Doubt people really want to go out and spend their money on old technology.
It will be cheaper and performance wise it will be virtually indistinguishable. The performance difference between two successive generations just isn't what it used to be. Gen 5 DDR3 parts are still selling today despite gen 6 DDR4 parts having been out for a while. If a person is not a serious gamer a lowly gen 5 i3 is likely overpowered for what they need.
Microsoft did just run an all out campaign for a whole year in which they did everything they could including resorting to dirty tricks to cow people into upgrading. At the end of it there are twice the number of Windows 7 PCs than Windows 10.
It has never been common for people to upgrade a working system's OS. The historical trend has been that a new OS gains in market share as new PCs are sold. Win7 is only hanging around because people are still using older machines, as mentioned above machines have much greater useful lives than they used to. Two to three times the useful life. This is stretching out the lifespan of Win7. As new hardware are purchased Win7 will be replaced, the need for new hardware to support Win7 is minimal. Even more so given the similarity of gen 6 and gen 7 performance wise. Corporation and such that are slow to migrate can just order gen 6 based systems and suffer near zero impact.
I'm saying there will probably be very little demand for Windows 7 support from consumers buying the latest and greatest motherboards in the future and building their own system.
If there is so little demand and nobody builds their own systems why is there such a huge selection of motherboards, cases, processors and peripherals to chose from? Not just online but local retail?
Re-read. I wrote little demand for Win7 in the future not BYO in the future.
What Intel is actually doing is refusing to support the most popular and widely used PC operating system in the whole wide world on their new hardware.
Next months gen 7 hardware that only supports Win10 will be largely indistinguishable from currently available gen 6 hardware that supports Win7. This gen 6 hardware will be available for many years to come. The declining minority that wants Win7 will not lack hardware options.
Win7's current popularity is largely an artifact of PCs having useful lives two to three times what they used to be. Most are using Win7 merely because its what is on the computer, if their next computer has Win10 they will most likely be perfectly happy. This is no sizeable Win7-forever camp even among the BYO let alone consumers at large.
I'd wager it has more to do with essential support for 7 ending at some date defined by when sales of 7 ended. I.e. giving those last buyers two or three years of essential support.
Wait, are you saying that there won't be any demand for Windows 7 support from consumers?
I'm saying there will probably be very little demand for Windows 7 support from consumers buying the latest and greatest motherboards in the future and building their own system.
Most consumers don't build-your-own, they buy a box from a major vendor that has the current version of Windows.
To be clear, you understand that this move by Intel and AMD does not change Windows 7 support on any existing motherboards, that their decision only applies to future motherboard designs? No existing chip designs are losing support.
Does that mean that I can get a new version of the app store on iOS 4.3? B'cos that's what I have on the iPod Touch. If I can, I will, and then see what apps can be updated.
This functionality is server side and transparent to the user. When you download an app it just gives you the compatible version. You don't need a current version of the App Store app. I think I tried it as far back as a 3rd gen iPod touch last year. Did you mean iOS 4.2? That is where the 2nd gen iPod touch is at, the 3rd is at 5.1. So I only tried it as far back as iOS 5 if I am remembering correctly.
Intel chips still support Windows XP.
There are usually chips on a motherboard that do not come from Intel. Last month I put together a new PC and the motherboard (ASUS) only came with Windows 8 and 10 drivers.
BTW, I used to buy Intel motherboards, support was superb, but that is no longer an option.
Funny how all of a sudden Windows 7 will be such a pain to support for future architecture.
Its not that its a pain, its that there is likely a lack of demand. If I had to test with Windows 7 on the new PC I'd probably create a VM rather than dual boot. Plus I have the six year old PC it replaced that has Windows 7 (and 10, it dual boots, its my low end target system now).
With respect to slow moving corporate clients, the summary suggests the move by Intel and AMD coincides with declining Windows 7 support from Microsoft. I'd be surprised if there would be much demand from that quarter either.
... you want new hardware you need a new OS ...
By the time the hardware arrives Windows 10 won't be new, it will merely be the current OS.
And its not exactly a new thing. I recently built a new PC based on a recently released ASUS motherboard. ASUS only provided chipset drivers for Windows 8 and 10. Not sure if 7 would work. Doubtful Vista and older would work correctly.
I expect UEFI lock down will soon prevent Linux from being installed.
Linux is already supported by UEFI. The major Linux distros have paid the one-time US$99 fee to be able to get their code on the UEFI supported list.
Hello Linux
Goodbye Windows. Hello Linux
Why? This affects no existing hardware. Its just that future hardware will not support Windows 7 and 8.
And frankly this is pretty much what happens under Android too, a chip vendor developing some new chip's drivers only for the current Android version. Will that make Android/Linux fans flock to iOS when they learn their Samsung Galaxy S8 can not run Android 4.4?
... but the store should at least have older versions of apps for devices that are stuck on an old version of an OS ...
They do. They introduced this behavior to the App Store last year when iOS 9 was introduced. The App Store downloads the most recent version compatible with a device. However the developer can mark specific versions to be excluded so a developer can prevent this.
....to those who run older versions of IOS and have bought an app
Older iOS versions and older devices are still supported. When you download an iOS app from the App Store it delivers the most recent version of the app that is compatible with your device.
6,500 jobs leads to the perception of being a job creator and can keep a politician in political office, or get them a better political office. Votes are even more important to politicians than money.
I don't know why this was downmodded.. It puts into perspective just how insane the deal was. Ireland really got very little out of it.
The currency of politics is votes, not money. Bring jobs to your constituents is one of the most effective ways to get those votes.
Plus its more than 6,500 jobs. Money fans out into a community and supports many other jobs as workers spend it.
Of course, if you took away smartphones ...
I expect management to do that right before IT rolls out 2 factor identification. Or maybe I read too much Dilbert. :-)
Old FORTRAN code lives on behind the GUI or web interface. I once ported some old mainframe computational chemistry code for a very large international corporation. They wanted their legacy code moved from mainframes to MS Windows. At startup their legacy FORTAN code interactively queried for six parameters. I created a Windows front end in C that had a dialog box with six entry fields. After the user pressed the OK button and the six parameters passed verification in the C code they were plugged into the expected input variables in the legacy FORTRAN code and the computation went on its merry way.
Except for the interactive queries the FORTRAN code needed zero modifications. The port needed a few days, most of that testing before handing it off to the chemists. From their perspective it was just a native windows app.
Yeah, if it just works why re-invent.
Java is the new COBOL. Given we need a language for that role, I actually think Java's pretty good.
As one of my professors once argued, its usually the accompanying libraries that make or break a language in more recent years. Java's advantage is simply a "more capable" "standard library".
Also we went recently through a phase in computer science education where people were really only taught java. Its the only tool in their toolbox.
From TFS, "c's problems": c doesn't have "problems"; programmers who don't use c have problems.
That is actually what TIOBE measures. It counts Google searches. C programmers are smart enough that they don't need to search for answers on Google, or they use a better website, such as Stackoverflow.
We use neither google nor stack overflow, we have K&R on PDF.
The years of RND have already been paid, by other money, or they wouldn't have happened.
You are attempting to say it is a sunk cost by the time a product ships. That is an irrelevant detail as R&D is ongoing and coming out of today's revenue too. Selling a product at its cost of production is a sign of a desperate and dying company, a company that can no longer afford to create future products and services for itself.
Nobody does RND on a loan, and if it were a load, the loan payments are cost of production, as are salaries.
Companies use debt to finance R&D all the time. Whatever accounting category you place the expense in it is still coming out of company revenue and reducing profits. None of the above changes the fact that Apple's profit margin is 40% not 400%.
I am not supporting any worker abuse but lets at least get the facts right. Apple's profit margin is around 40%, not 400%. Many people around here make the mistake of looking at manufacturing costs but not factoring in the years of R&D that went into something, the overhead of a company, etc.
Plus the 16-19th century was full of many time long term boat trips in confined spaces.
Where officers were allowed to flog the crew to maintain order and work performance, even the occasional hanging of the truly unruly. I expect NASA wants a more relaxed environment.
FWIW, dehydrated food is much better today than when I was a kid decades ago. Of course, everything tastes better when hiking/camping. That may not hold true in lab experiments.
I think the Navy's experience with submarine crews would be most relevant, food needs to be excellent to prevent morale problems when isolated from the world for months at a time.
I'd like to inform you that Linux is used ...
And how Linux is used in Android is that it hosts Android. Android is not "based on" Linux. Android is something very different. CentOS is based on Red Hat, Ubuntu is based on Debian, etc.
Aging is not much of a problem. Just move the important stuff from CD-R to DVD-R, to BD-R, etc as times goes on and you get new media.
For example the first backup on DVD-R starts with the last CD-R and adds newer stuff, the first backup on BD-R begins with the last DVD-R and adds newer stuff. Of course I'm not referring to complete system backups, rather backups of source code hierarchies, document hierarchies, etc. Music, videos, photos hierarchies not included; they are better backed up to external USB hard drives.
That said, I'd also backup to USB memory sticks and SD cards for redundancy.