When you buy hardware, you want quality hardware with quality drivers. I on the other hand, don't. When I buy hardware, I want quality hardware with open specs. I generally don't care for linux drivers most companies ship because they are usually crap, and usually written by someone with little understanding of the linux kernel..
From a linux users's point of view, ATI does exactly what the linux community wants. Instead of creating crap CSS drivers, or cryptic OSS drivers, ATI chooses to release docs and specs of their products, so that members of the OSS community can write the drivers themselves.
For this reason alone I will continue to support ATI. I'm always amazed at how the slashdot community seems to love Nvidia's products and at the same time rave about linux day and nite (the two are an oxymoron). Hopefully, one day, when the guys at Nvidia aren't so arrogant (I've met them before, I know) they'll realize that more than releasing specs for their older and 2nd generation products makes them look good in the eyes of many. ( I understand and wholefully respect any 3d graphics company's desire to not release specs for their current 1st generation products.)
(Please note that this is from an Linux users point of view, I have no idea if the same applies to windows)
There is OSS support for ATI cards under DRI (the lovely technology that gives linux users stuff like OpenGL). There is NO OSS support for Nvidia cards for DRI. Additionally, for linux, the ATI drivers are pretty much stable. The drivers that Nvidia put out for linux, are not only a joke, but they don't even support basics like Power Management.
My question to you is would you rather support a company that produces crap CSS drivers, or a company that supports the development of OSS drivers?
(The only "issue" with ATI is the fact that they have yet to release the 3d core specs for the Mach64, however the great guys at http://dri.sourceforge.net/ at working on this)
For more info, please look at the following thread
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-dell-laptops/m essage/6367
Sunny Dubey
PS: I too own a i3800, and am waiting for the moment that it will have 3d support under x4
I'm no Mandrake User, however I do wonder how could you not manage to upgrade a kernel.
The idea seems simple enough, that you should be able to upgrade the kernel on ANY distro. (And if you couldn't, I'd seriously doubt that distro would get very far in the market at all).
Additionally, please also stay away from the Kernel sources on RPM (or SRPM) file formats because those are normally shipped to help developers get a feel for what type of a kernel the distro shipped with.
Yes, I know I'm going to get modded down for saying the following, but please read the KERNEL HOWTO on linuxdoc.org and get the lastest kernel from $COUNTRY_CODE.kernel.org I don't see why it may not work for you.
Sunny Dubey
NOTE: debian users should install libncurses5-dev and bin86 packages before doing kernel updates.
Go with SCSI on a 64bit processor and you won't have to deal with this crap.....
Sounds lovely doesn't it?
but then you'd have to pay a whole lot more for lovely SCSI hardware, which may not be an option for many of us (especially people in other not so fortunate countries)
and you'd have to recompile many applications to run on 64 bit, not to mention buying the lovely 64 bit stuff Intel and AMD can't see to agree on, which might I add is pricey, which may not be an option for many of us (especially people in other not so fortunate countries)
doing all of that?... or a simple FLASH of the BIOS?
So what about KDE or Koffice? Those take longer to compile than X.
Or GNOME an OpenOffice, StarOffice, etc. Those too take longer to compile.
Notice how those are some pretty impressive apps, that have quite a bit of functionality behind them...
In fact, most major applications should take much longer to compile than X. Would you really want your apps to be smaller than your GUI framework? (Mind you the GUI framework just ties things together, it essentially isn't even an app).
Have you ever tried to compile mozilla yourself? There are a billion options you can append to./configure Which is what makes Mozilla amazing in the sense that you can customize it so well to what you want it to be like on multiple operating systems
but have you even tried KDE 2.1? (or GNOME,etc) This software is simply amazing, and I'm sure not complaining about it because I sure could never even do something about it
Whats even more amazing is the fact that these people do it for free on their time. Its amazing to go to kde.org, and see the massive amounts of information that they provide. They even have a standardized protocol for creating icons for the physically impaird people!
The OSS dev heads at GNOME or KDE, or any OSS project never took a wrong turn anywhere, they've been doing it pretty much right the entire time. look at the mozilla team, they are paid dev heads, and yet it still takes them forever to release something. When you compare what they do, as opposed to GNOME/KDE, you'll be amazed
Additionally, if you really didn't like what was going on right now, how about you fork the code, or create your own desktop-enviroment/application-frame-work/somethin g-that-can-clean-your-clothes-for-you. Then you come to me (or us) and tell me about taking a wrong turn Exactly...
To turely love OSS, you have understand what goes on behind it, which is why I never complain about a bug or anything or the sort
One of the coolest things about the linux kernel is how *ANYONE* can write code for some hard ware and whatnot...
This alone made linux great because it was a community effort to get the kernel rolling into a quality piece of code
However this "meeting" makes your wonder if this is a community project anymore, there are hundreds of kernel hackers out there, who have in some way contributed code to the kernel
however only 65 get to attend this meeting..
Please tell me that linux isn't going to adopt the idea of having a "core" team like the BSD's do...
the only thing that will happen is that the kernel will be something that only the l33tist will be able to work on...
additionally forking the kernel code just so that the community can work on the code as opposed to a "core" team is even more stupid... there go whatever standards the linux kernel had... get what I mean?
You wonder if slashdot has stock in these companies or something...
In all honesty, I've seen much better and neater products out there that would reall interest the slashdot community as a whole
And I'm pretty sure that other slashdot visiters have not only seen them, but submitted them to...
This is just my 2 cents... it does make you wonder...
Under the terms of the new agreement, the company will continue to operate the ".com" registry until at least 2007 and the ".net" registry until 2006. The deal allows VeriSign to continue to operate both registries beyond these dates under certain conditions, the company said.
In the world of linux, some of use seriously need a productivity appilcation of some from than another. I don't know about your, but I'd rather be using native linux binaries, than windows binaries....
I own a copy of applixware 5.0, and from personal experience, its great. All the other productivity apps, such as Koffice, and Star Office are ok, but they just don't have the fullness of Applixware does.
Maybe there is a chance of them open sourcing Applixware... hehe... =)
How come when ever someon states something about the BSD's... its almost always about FreeBSD...
Yes I know that FreeBSD is great and all, but is it the only one being used for server usage?
What about OpenBSD? I use OpenBSD, and IMHO, its very similar to FreeBSD, if not better.
OpenBSD is very reliable, stable, does just about everything FreeBSD does, and more secure than just about anything out there. But the question remains, why just FreeBSD?
From my point of view, FreeBSD has the RedHat effect. In the world of Linux, when most talk about LInux, they really mean redhat. Same goes for the world of BSD. WHen was the last time you heard some one speak of NetBSD or BSD/OS...?.. exactly....
Its always sad, when one flavor of an OS takes the spot light, and the other which are almost as good are forgotten.
Hopefully, the rest of the BSD's will get the credit that they deserver too.
Linux is about its users, not some mega-money sucking corperation
Did all those kernel and code hackers spend their time into something that coperate America will just suck up in the end?
NO!! They did it for themselves, and other Linux users. Its stupid how slashdot always tries to force Linux into main stream corporate America. I'm prefectly happy by the way the kernel is shaping to be. And IMHO Linus is doing a great job too.
The day Linux turns out to be an OS for the corporations and not for the people, is the day that the kernel hackers either fork the source and continue with what they wish, or they start making a whole new OS altogether.
A 1st admendment violation? ... I would think so .
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Corporate America is pretty stupid
They break all the laws so they can get what they want, and cry when they don't
but hey, what else does a company do? I don't know about you guys, but I'm really getting sick and tired of the little guys getting screwed by these brain dead companies
I really hope these guys win, not because the entire idea of ecommerce is sickening... but because it would set a clear example, of when a company should and shouldn't push it
one last thing
By etoys not allowing some else to use words SIMILAR to etoys, a violation of the 1st admendment?
oh wait... thanks to the whole DeCSS... we don't have that any more right?
Back in the days when Sega and Nintendo were in the biggest war ever, and it was all "do or die"
But now when i look at Sega, I wonder to myself, what went worng?
No offense to anyone, but Sega was truly too arrogant, not only did they fail to understand the industry that they were involved it, but they failed to understand the gamer
who here actually wanted to buy the Saturn for $400??... exactly....
Look at Nintendo, sure they came out with a cartridge based system, that cost more and blah blah blah
but they still turned out alright...
Hopefully the future will be much brighter for
Sega and related
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When you buy hardware, you want quality hardware with quality drivers. I on the other hand, don't. When I buy hardware, I want quality hardware with open specs. I generally don't care for linux drivers most companies ship because they are usually crap, and usually written by someone with little understanding of the linux kernel..
From a linux users's point of view, ATI does exactly what the linux community wants. Instead of creating crap CSS drivers, or cryptic OSS drivers, ATI chooses to release docs and specs of their products, so that members of the OSS community can write the drivers themselves.
For this reason alone I will continue to support ATI. I'm always amazed at how the slashdot community seems to love Nvidia's products and at the same time rave about linux day and nite (the two are an oxymoron). Hopefully, one day, when the guys at Nvidia aren't so arrogant (I've met them before, I know) they'll realize that more than releasing specs for their older and 2nd generation products makes them look good in the eyes of many. ( I understand and wholefully respect any 3d graphics company's desire to not release specs for their current 1st generation products.)
Sunny Dubey
(Please note that this is from an Linux users point of view, I have no idea if the same applies to windows)
There is OSS support for ATI cards under DRI (the lovely technology that gives linux users stuff like OpenGL). There is NO OSS support for Nvidia cards for DRI. Additionally, for linux, the ATI drivers are pretty much stable. The drivers that Nvidia put out for linux, are not only a joke, but they don't even support basics like Power Management.
My question to you is would you rather support a company that produces crap CSS drivers, or a company that supports the development of OSS drivers?
(The only "issue" with ATI is the fact that they have yet to release the 3d core specs for the Mach64, however the great guys at http://dri.sourceforge.net/ at working on this)
For more info, please look at the following threadm essage/6367
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux-dell-laptops/
Sunny Dubey
PS: I too own a i3800, and am waiting for the moment that it will have 3d support under x4
I'm no Mandrake User, however I do wonder how could you not manage to upgrade a kernel.
The idea seems simple enough, that you should be able to upgrade the kernel on ANY distro. (And if you couldn't, I'd seriously doubt that distro would get very far in the market at all).
Additionally, please also stay away from the Kernel sources on RPM (or SRPM) file formats because those are normally shipped to help developers get a feel for what type of a kernel the distro shipped with.
Yes, I know I'm going to get modded down for saying the following, but please read the KERNEL HOWTO on linuxdoc.org and get the lastest kernel from $COUNTRY_CODE.kernel.org I don't see why it may not work for you.
Sunny Dubey
NOTE: debian users should install libncurses5-dev and bin86 packages before doing kernel updates.
that should fix it for you, and anyone else who runs debian
Sunny Dubey
Sounds lovely doesn't it?
but then you'd have to pay a whole lot more for lovely SCSI hardware, which may not be an option for many of us (especially people in other not so fortunate countries)
and you'd have to recompile many applications to run on 64 bit, not to mention buying the lovely 64 bit stuff Intel and AMD can't see to agree on, which might I add is pricey, which may not be an option for many of us (especially people in other not so fortunate countries)
doing all of that? ... or a simple FLASH of the BIOS?
Sunny Dubey
additionally, most RPM's can be converted nicely just by using the alien package
Sunny Dubey
ever wonder why soooo many l33t hax0rs and other various l33t people like debian over that of Redhat or Mandrake?
Its because debian packages are usually better than the packages provided by redhat or mandrake.
Read debian package policy
http://qa.debian.org/
But I as a debian user too agree, that RPM have their advantages over DEB's...
Sunny
just so you'd like to know ...
Perl has been around since 1987
http://www.perl.org/press/history.html
Or GNOME an OpenOffice, StarOffice, etc. Those too take longer to compile.
Notice how those are some pretty impressive apps, that have quite a bit of functionality behind them...
In fact, most major applications should take much longer to compile than X. Would you really want your apps to be smaller than your GUI framework? (Mind you the GUI framework just ties things together, it essentially isn't even an app).
Have you ever tried to compile mozilla yourself? There are a billion options you can append to ./configure Which is what makes Mozilla amazing in the sense that you can customize it so well to what you want it to be like on multiple operating systems
Think before you speak
Sunny Dubey
maybe they could see what we (the massive) consumers have to put with
and so maybe we could get court decisions voted *our* way for once ...
Sunny Dubey
but have you even tried KDE 2.1? (or GNOME,etc) This software is simply amazing, and I'm sure not complaining about it because I sure could never even do something about it
Whats even more amazing is the fact that these people do it for free on their time. Its amazing to go to kde.org, and see the massive amounts of information that they provide. They even have a standardized protocol for creating icons for the physically impaird people!
The OSS dev heads at GNOME or KDE, or any OSS project never took a wrong turn anywhere, they've been doing it pretty much right the entire time. look at the mozilla team, they are paid dev heads, and yet it still takes them forever to release something. When you compare what they do, as opposed to GNOME/KDE, you'll be amazed
Additionally, if you really didn't like what was going on right now, how about you fork the code, or create your own desktop-enviroment/application-frame-work/somethin g-that-can-clean-your-clothes-for-you. Then you come to me (or us) and tell me about taking a wrong turn Exactly ...
To turely love OSS, you have understand what goes on behind it, which is why I never complain about a bug or anything or the sort
Just my 2 pesos
Sunny Dubey
PS: good luck to those at GNOME
One that would be much harder to filter ... and harder to regulate ...?
I could see this doing wonders for many large countries like China ...
makes you wonder
but think about the p0rn!!
SCORE!!
so they will never sell out ...
which explains why they don't have chanserv or nickserv ... or anything
just my 2 cents ...
This alone made linux great because it was a community effort to get the kernel rolling into a quality piece of code
However this "meeting" makes your wonder if this is a community project anymore, there are hundreds of kernel hackers out there, who have in some way contributed code to the kernel
however only 65 get to attend this meeting ..
Please tell me that linux isn't going to adopt the idea of having a "core" team like the BSD's do ... ...
the only thing that will happen is that the kernel will be something that only the l33tist will be able to work on
additionally forking the kernel code just so that the community can work on the code as opposed to a "core" team is even more stupid ... there go whatever standards the linux kernel had ... get what I mean?
just my 2 cents ...
Sunny Dubey
In all honesty, I've seen much better and neater products out there that would reall interest the slashdot community as a whole ...
And I'm pretty sure that other slashdot visiters have not only seen them, but submitted them to
This is just my 2 cents ... it does make you wonder ...
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-4990190.html? tag=mn_hd
Until 2007!! When did 6 years from now become Permanent??
Will Microsoft allow game developers to use Linux?
Ever wonder what real hackers such as Theo de Raadt (OpenBSD), and Alan Cox (Linux kernel), feel about this?
They are, after all, real hackers ...
In the world of linux, some of use seriously need a productivity appilcation of some from than another. I don't know about your, but I'd rather be using native linux binaries, than windows binaries ....
I own a copy of applixware 5.0, and from personal experience, its great. All the other productivity apps, such as Koffice, and Star Office are ok, but they just don't have the fullness of Applixware does.
Maybe there is a chance of them open sourcing Applixware ... hehe ... =)
Yes I know that FreeBSD is great and all, but is it the only one being used for server usage?
What about OpenBSD? I use OpenBSD, and IMHO, its very similar to FreeBSD, if not better.
OpenBSD is very reliable, stable, does just about everything FreeBSD does, and more secure than just about anything out there. But the question remains, why just FreeBSD?
From my point of view, FreeBSD has the RedHat effect. In the world of Linux, when most talk about LInux, they really mean redhat. Same goes for the world of BSD. WHen was the last time you heard some one speak of NetBSD or BSD/OS ...? .. exactly ....
Its always sad, when one flavor of an OS takes the spot light, and the other which are almost as good are forgotten.
Hopefully, the rest of the BSD's will get the credit that they deserver too.
Linux is about its users, not some mega-money sucking corperation
Did all those kernel and code hackers spend their time into something that coperate America will just suck up in the end?
NO!! They did it for themselves, and other Linux users. Its stupid how slashdot always tries to force Linux into main stream corporate America. I'm prefectly happy by the way the kernel is shaping to be. And IMHO Linus is doing a great job too.
The day Linux turns out to be an OS for the corporations and not for the people, is the day that the kernel hackers either fork the source and continue with what they wish, or they start making a whole new OS altogether.
They break all the laws so they can get what they want, and cry when they don't
but hey, what else does a company do? I don't know about you guys, but I'm really getting sick and tired of the little guys getting screwed by these brain dead companies
I really hope these guys win, not because the entire idea of ecommerce is sickening ... but because it would set a clear example, of when a company should and shouldn't push it
one last thing
By etoys not allowing some else to use words SIMILAR to etoys, a violation of the 1st admendment?
oh wait ... thanks to the whole DeCSS ... we don't have that any more right?
Its to prepare for the bloatware of tomorrow
I think its called .NET and some-great-os v54.2 ...
Sadly but ture, the faster and faster processors that we get, the lazier and lazier the coders get
Sure the processor is slow right now, but as we all know, that in the very future, it will follows Moore's law, just like every other processor
I don't know about you guys, but I'm tired of looking at code, where a billion loops being run, and yet NONE are needed
Can't we all just live in the day's of the 486?...
Sega used to be a great company, it really was
Back in the days when Sega and Nintendo were in the biggest war ever, and it was all "do or die"
But now when i look at Sega, I wonder to myself, what went worng?
No offense to anyone, but Sega was truly too arrogant, not only did they fail to understand the industry that they were involved it, but they failed to understand the gamer
who here actually wanted to buy the Saturn for $400?? ... exactly....
Look at Nintendo, sure they came out with a cartridge based system, that cost more and blah blah blah
but they still turned out alright ...
Hopefully the future will be much brighter for Sega and related