At the most optimistic, Wayland is still one or two years away from mainstream use.
The most optimistic projection is that Wayland will never be in mainstream use.
Even then, most apps will run under the rootless X server.
Leaving us endlessly confused over how to forward apps over the network. And leading to all sorts of confusion about window managers and decorations.
X will finally disappear if and when all apps upgrade to GTK3 or QT5 (which might be never).
As if those are the only toolkits in existence. What about wx apps? xcb? Java?
Wayland is X designed properly, however it is basically the same thing.
If it were designed properly, it would support network transparency by default. It would also have server side window decorations. And you could switch window managers without restarting the entire display. Personally, I don't much appreciate sacrificing features for "proper design".
Canonical became flame-bait central over Mir and their reactive 'community engagement' (troll feeding), but I wonder if they have a point, that by the time Wayland is widely deployable it will be outdated?
If they retained X11 protocol compatibility, this would never be an issue.
There is no reason it couldn't send a surface over the wire.
Bandwidth and CPU power. It takes a lot more of those to send a compressed image over the wire than it does to send the instructions to build an image. Add in compression and caching with NX, and X-forwarding is the best performing remote display mechanism in existance.
Honestly, why do people hate on products that obviously don't meet there needs? I understand being upset that something doesn't have what you want, but bashing the creators over and over again just gets old. If it doesn't do what you want, then just don't use it.
That's a great option, up until the point that it becomes a de facto standard. X11 is the de facto standard for graphics on Linux, and Wayland aims to replace it. We're all going to be stuck with Wayland, so we need to speak up and make sure the authors know what we need. I doubt RDP would have been included at all if we didn't bitch about the lack of X forwarding every time Wayland was mentioned.
There are pros and cons to doing things this way
I've yet to see any pros from switching to Wayland. Name one.
The question is, how easy is it to use? With X forwarding, it's nothing more than 'ssh -X remotehost', then just run your program. Is RDP on Wayland going to be as convenient?
Please. Compare Sonic 3 or Thunderforce IV to anything on the SNES. The SNES had two things going for it over the Genesis. Mode 7 graphics, and a DSP. But Mode 7 was a gimmick, useful at best for cutscenes and backgrounds. And I really like the clean FM synth sound the Genesis has over the muddy low res polyphonies the SNES tries to pull off.
The other thing that confuses the hell out of me is that we are so bent on preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons yet, NK has been working on this since the beginning of the Bush (duh-bya) terms and we have YET to take them very seriously. We are sort of taking them seriously but it's still nothing like what we do with Iran.
Iran is a threat to Israel, and the Israel lobby has a massive amount of influence in DC.
The point is to see what you're looking for and interact with it in a graphically intuitive way.
That doesn't scale. You can only fit a few dozen things on the screen, and even then you're going to be lost while searching for the one item you need. On the other hand, you can have a vocabulary of hundreds of commands which are accessible simply by calling their name.
Switching back and forth from keyboard and mouse (or touch) is clunky, slow, and stupid.
I agree. And since we can't eliminate the keyboard, as detailed above, better to eliminate the mouse.
Yet people DO expect phone conversations to be private. So explain to me why there should be any difference.
People expect phone conversations to be private, but they are not. Just a couple hours ago I got a call on my lab phone, picked it up and heard a conversation already in progress. Said "Hello" several times, and no one heard me. If something senstive was being discussed, I could have heard it all and no one would have known.
The reality of the situation is that any expectation of privacy is unreasonable unless your communication channel is encrypted end to end.
Economic networks, like almost all natural networks, are scale free. Scale free networks have hubs. Wealth will aggregate at those hubs.
That's all there is to it. Wealth concentrates by nature. Unless there is some mechanism to stop that the wealthy will continue getting wealthier, without limit, and the poor will continue to get poorer, without limit. That mechanism can be taxation and social services, or it can be revolution. Your choice.
Who would have thought we can break many laws every day and no one dies.
That's a pretty good indicator that the law in question shouldn't be a law at all. I welcome these kinds of automated systems with perfect enforcement. If perfect enforcement of the law creates problems, it's a bad law. Repeal it.
Using a complex default will fool people into thinking the default is secure, and more people will fail to change it. If you're using the same default for every device, it doesn't matter what you use, it's not secure and needs to be changed.
Now they could issue a different default for every device, but that would require printing a unique card for each device, which is significantly more effort than just telling users to change the default login.
That's just end game thrashing like how a heart attack victim might injure themselves as they fall unconscious.
Do you ever use logic, or do you just argue by analogy?
Second, it's worth remembering that much of that excessive spending was bribes to the voters to look the other way while Greek politicians squandered the wealth of that country.
Quit blaming the victim. The voters were lied to about the budget. The Greek people were defrauded by their own government.
Why should the Greeks be treated better than their creditors?
Because the people, by and large, work for a living, and creditors merely take a cut.
And why do you think there's going to be a magical way out of this huge mess that's easier than austerity?
How is austerity "a way out"? I've asked you this several times now, and you never explain. I've described a mechanism by which stimulus spending would improve the economy, and yet you call my solution "magical". You're the one waving your hands around here.
A court order is not a warrant, and the judge who issued that court order may not have been fully informed. FTFA:
The government has conceded, however, that it needed a warrant in his case alone â" because the stingray reached into his apartment remotely to locate the air card â" and that the activities performed by Verizon and the FBI to locate Rigmaiden were all authorized by a court order signed by a magistrate.
The Electronic Frontier Foundation and the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California, who have filed an amicus brief in support of Rigmaidenâ(TM)s motion, maintain that the order does not qualify as a warrant and that the government withheld crucial information from the magistrate â" such as identifying that the tracking device they planned to use was a stingray and that its use involved intrusive measures â" thus preventing the court from properly fulfilling its oversight function.
âoeIt shows you just how crazy the technology is, and [supports] all the more the need to explain to the court what they are doing,â says EFF Staff Attorney Hanni Fakhoury. âoeThis is more than just [saying to Verizon] give us some records that you have sitting on your server. This is reconfiguring and changing the characteristics of the [suspect's] property, without informing the judge whatâ(TM)s going on.â
Ignoring here that fiscal deficits create trust deficits, why should the people who don't care about fiscal deficits care about trust deficits? And why not punish the poor? They're most of the votes, and have to be voting for the problem.
No, lies about fiscal deficits create trust deficits. The problems in Greece happened because Greek politicians lied to the EU and their own people with the help of Goldman Sachs. They are the criminals, and they need to be punished.
Nobody asked for the remaining debt to be fully repaid in the next few weeks. When Greece recovers, it'll have the economy to pay off this debt. Austerity will be the tool that makes that happen.
That's awfully handwavy. By what actual mechanism do you expect Greece to recover when it's burdened with debt and unable to invest in itself? You speak of "when" but the real question is "if". Greece would have a surplus today if it weren't saddled with such high debt payments(20% of their budget). All they really need is for their creditors to ease up a bit for a few years while the Greeks invest in their economy. But that would require accountability for people in power, and that won't happen.
People have ignored that this is an emergency treatment for a country in a situation where the government has lost most of its credibility, and spending and debt are so far out of control that the government lost the ability at least for a time to borrow and spend money
So the real problem isn't the financial deficit, it's the trust deficit. Hold the politicians who committed the fraud accountable, as well as the bankers who helped. That, combined with a huge push for financial transparency should be all that's needed to get the loans these countries need. But nobody wants to do that. Instead they'd rather punish the poor.
One doesn't do austerity on a healthy society any more than one does CPR on a healthy person.
You could say the same about blood letting. That doesn't mean it's effective. Austerity is ineffective. It's been tried and it doesn't work.
Where will the money come from to pay for Greece's continued spending?
That's easy. You borrow money, inject it into the economy, and collect taxes as it moves around the economy. Give it to people who need to spend it to live, which will increase demand, creating business opportunities for investors.
Now I have to ask you. Where will the money come from to pay back Greece's debt, if no one can afford to buy anything and no one can afford to hire, how will they collect the taxes they need to pay back their debt? And more importantly, how does paying back their debt improve Greece's economy.
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At the most optimistic, Wayland is still one or two years away from mainstream use.
The most optimistic projection is that Wayland will never be in mainstream use.
Even then, most apps will run under the rootless X server.
Leaving us endlessly confused over how to forward apps over the network. And leading to all sorts of confusion about window managers and decorations.
X will finally disappear if and when all apps upgrade to GTK3 or QT5 (which might be never).
As if those are the only toolkits in existence. What about wx apps? xcb? Java?
Wayland is X designed properly, however it is basically the same thing.
If it were designed properly, it would support network transparency by default. It would also have server side window decorations. And you could switch window managers without restarting the entire display. Personally, I don't much appreciate sacrificing features for "proper design".
Canonical became flame-bait central over Mir and their reactive 'community engagement' (troll feeding), but I wonder if they have a point, that by the time Wayland is widely deployable it will be outdated?
If they retained X11 protocol compatibility, this would never be an issue.
There is no reason it couldn't send a surface over the wire.
Bandwidth and CPU power. It takes a lot more of those to send a compressed image over the wire than it does to send the instructions to build an image. Add in compression and caching with NX, and X-forwarding is the best performing remote display mechanism in existance.
Honestly, why do people hate on products that obviously don't meet there needs?
I understand being upset that something doesn't have what you want, but bashing the creators over and over again just gets old. If it doesn't do what you want, then just don't use it.
That's a great option, up until the point that it becomes a de facto standard. X11 is the de facto standard for graphics on Linux, and Wayland aims to replace it. We're all going to be stuck with Wayland, so we need to speak up and make sure the authors know what we need. I doubt RDP would have been included at all if we didn't bitch about the lack of X forwarding every time Wayland was mentioned.
There are pros and cons to doing things this way
I've yet to see any pros from switching to Wayland. Name one.
ssh can proxy arbitrary connections with 'ssh -D'. Something like 'ssh -D 88888 wayland-rdp -port 8888 xterm' would be acceptable.
The question is, how easy is it to use? With X forwarding, it's nothing more than 'ssh -X remotehost', then just run your program. Is RDP on Wayland going to be as convenient?
The OUYA is a self-contained computer. It is only missing a display.
And BASIC in ROM.
SNES make Genesis look downright feeble
Please. Compare Sonic 3 or Thunderforce IV to anything on the SNES. The SNES had two things going for it over the Genesis. Mode 7 graphics, and a DSP. But Mode 7 was a gimmick, useful at best for cutscenes and backgrounds. And I really like the clean FM synth sound the Genesis has over the muddy low res polyphonies the SNES tries to pull off.
If the spectrum were truly open, it would be chaos; completely unusable for all but local communications.
Then how does Wifi work?
I have one name for you Richard Jewell.
Of course it was. There are two Mooninites, after all.
The other thing that confuses the hell out of me is that we are so bent on preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons yet, NK has been working on this since the beginning of the Bush (duh-bya) terms and we have YET to take them very seriously. We are sort of taking them seriously but it's still nothing like what we do with Iran.
Iran is a threat to Israel, and the Israel lobby has a massive amount of influence in DC.
The point is to see what you're looking for and interact with it in a graphically intuitive way.
That doesn't scale. You can only fit a few dozen things on the screen, and even then you're going to be lost while searching for the one item you need. On the other hand, you can have a vocabulary of hundreds of commands which are accessible simply by calling their name.
Switching back and forth from keyboard and mouse (or touch) is clunky, slow, and stupid.
I agree. And since we can't eliminate the keyboard, as detailed above, better to eliminate the mouse.
Yet people DO expect phone conversations to be private. So explain to me why there should be any difference.
People expect phone conversations to be private, but they are not. Just a couple hours ago I got a call on my lab phone, picked it up and heard a conversation already in progress. Said "Hello" several times, and no one heard me. If something senstive was being discussed, I could have heard it all and no one would have known.
The reality of the situation is that any expectation of privacy is unreasonable unless your communication channel is encrypted end to end.
Who said anything about buying?
DOSBOX. Not all games need 3d acceleration.
Economic networks, like almost all natural networks, are scale free. Scale free networks have hubs. Wealth will aggregate at those hubs.
That's all there is to it. Wealth concentrates by nature. Unless there is some mechanism to stop that the wealthy will continue getting wealthier, without limit, and the poor will continue to get poorer, without limit. That mechanism can be taxation and social services, or it can be revolution. Your choice.
Who would have thought we can break many laws every day and no one dies.
That's a pretty good indicator that the law in question shouldn't be a law at all. I welcome these kinds of automated systems with perfect enforcement. If perfect enforcement of the law creates problems, it's a bad law. Repeal it.
The gaming market is largely children or teenagers who are too young to know they deserve better.
The age of the average gamer is 30.
They're the ones throwing $60 at whatever game their friends are playing as soon as it hits
How do you figure that children have more disposable income than adults?
I agree with the rest of your analysis. I just blame adults who don't know any better instead of children who don't know any better.
Using a complex default will fool people into thinking the default is secure, and more people will fail to change it. If you're using the same default for every device, it doesn't matter what you use, it's not secure and needs to be changed.
Now they could issue a different default for every device, but that would require printing a unique card for each device, which is significantly more effort than just telling users to change the default login.
You've worked in TV, film, and comics. Ever thought about adding a video game to that?
That's just end game thrashing like how a heart attack victim might injure themselves as they fall unconscious.
Do you ever use logic, or do you just argue by analogy?
Second, it's worth remembering that much of that excessive spending was bribes to the voters to look the other way while Greek politicians squandered the wealth of that country.
Quit blaming the victim. The voters were lied to about the budget. The Greek people were defrauded by their own government.
Why should the Greeks be treated better than their creditors?
Because the people, by and large, work for a living, and creditors merely take a cut.
And why do you think there's going to be a magical way out of this huge mess that's easier than austerity?
How is austerity "a way out"? I've asked you this several times now, and you never explain. I've described a mechanism by which stimulus spending would improve the economy, and yet you call my solution "magical". You're the one waving your hands around here.
A court order is not a warrant, and the judge who issued that court order may not have been fully informed. FTFA:
Ignoring here that fiscal deficits create trust deficits, why should the people who don't care about fiscal deficits care about trust deficits? And why not punish the poor? They're most of the votes, and have to be voting for the problem.
No, lies about fiscal deficits create trust deficits. The problems in Greece happened because Greek politicians lied to the EU and their own people with the help of Goldman Sachs. They are the criminals, and they need to be punished.
Nobody asked for the remaining debt to be fully repaid in the next few weeks. When Greece recovers, it'll have the economy to pay off this debt. Austerity will be the tool that makes that happen.
That's awfully handwavy. By what actual mechanism do you expect Greece to recover when it's burdened with debt and unable to invest in itself? You speak of "when" but the real question is "if". Greece would have a surplus today if it weren't saddled with such high debt payments(20% of their budget). All they really need is for their creditors to ease up a bit for a few years while the Greeks invest in their economy. But that would require accountability for people in power, and that won't happen.
IIRC its not even up for debate that "active" learning styles are on the whole more effective than passively listening to a lecture.
Simply writing something down is not "active". Thinking about it is active. Writing notes takes time away from thinking.
People have ignored that this is an emergency treatment for a country in a situation where the government has lost most of its credibility, and spending and debt are so far out of control that the government lost the ability at least for a time to borrow and spend money
So the real problem isn't the financial deficit, it's the trust deficit. Hold the politicians who committed the fraud accountable, as well as the bankers who helped. That, combined with a huge push for financial transparency should be all that's needed to get the loans these countries need. But nobody wants to do that. Instead they'd rather punish the poor.
One doesn't do austerity on a healthy society any more than one does CPR on a healthy person.
You could say the same about blood letting. That doesn't mean it's effective. Austerity is ineffective. It's been tried and it doesn't work.
Where will the money come from to pay for Greece's continued spending?
That's easy. You borrow money, inject it into the economy, and collect taxes as it moves around the economy. Give it to people who need to spend it to live, which will increase demand, creating business opportunities for investors.
Now I have to ask you. Where will the money come from to pay back Greece's debt, if no one can afford to buy anything and no one can afford to hire, how will they collect the taxes they need to pay back their debt? And more importantly, how does paying back their debt improve Greece's economy.