One thing I've not seen addressed in the whole copyright debate - what rights does a DVD owner have when the copyright on a DVD they own expires? The right to decompose slowly. You, your kids and quite possibly your grandkids will die of old age before 'Steamboat Willie' enters the public domain. --Shoeboy
Smoking Joe,
I have encountered Signal 11. He sought me out in the steel cage. I gave him the option of either joining us or dieing in an unspeakably painful and erotic manner. He has not seen fit to join us. Do you still need him alive or can I deal with him.
Your young apprentice,
--Shoeboy
Actually, Trollaxor started the gay stuff a couple of weeks ago. The steelcage thing was in response to this particularly rancid post. I was simply defending myself. --Shoeboy
Note to Americans: 412,000 square kilometers is about 3/5 the size of Texas. What's with this metric BS. It's too confusing. Anyway, here's some handy conversion info:
An inch is the outer part of a man's thumb, 25.4 millimeter to be exact. 12 inches to a foot, two feet to a cubit or three feet to a yard. A rod/pole is 5.5 yards (16.5 feet): The size of a big stick carried around by builders (hence the name). Four rods make a chain (22 yards) - the distance between two (cricket) wickets. Ten chains make a furlong. A furlong square is ten acres. Eight furlongs make a mile.
A perch was originaly a big stick, but later became a volume. A perch was a pile of stone one rod long by one foot wide by one cubit high). --Shoeboy
world's largest proton rocket emblazoned with a Pizza Hut logo on the fuselage. Not to be confused with equally sized rockets devoid of the pizza hut logo or any smaller pizza hut sponsored rockets. --Shoeboy
I suggest zero knowledge postings. These really protect privacy. Basically you simply spout off without reading the article. This limits the FBI to only knowing that you're a pompous ass and a moron. I invented this technique, but Signal 11 stole it. As a result I had to skullfuck him in the steel cage. --Shoeboy
Seriously,/why/ would you want to do that? Because I can't code an attractive and usable UI to save my life, but I can specify the database interaction and function of a page. That's why. --Shoeboy
I bet you like hungarian notation, too, you moron. Don't complicate the language with functionality that belongs in the class/object browser. Class/object browser? My copy of vi doesn't have this thing.
I've never much cared for the way variables are declared and used in Perl (scalars?). Too much use of symbols, not enough grammar. Hmm... I like it. When the language has built in support for complex datatypes it's useful. Take T-SQL for example: DECLARE @bob varchar(255) SELECT @bob = max(bob) FROM tbl_bob It's unfathomably useful to be able to tell at a glance whether you're dealing with a variable or an attribute of a tuple. Perl is the same way. I find it nice to be able to tell at a glance whether I'm using a scalar or a list. --Shoeboy
Hey, I like my C++ short and terse too, but I don't care for entire subroutines mostly written in punctuation. This is a myth. You can right perfectly readable and maintainable perl. I currently prototype web pages in perl using cgi.pm and hand it off to an asp developer who translates it into VBscript asp's and cleans up the user interface. The guy had close to zero perl experience when he started, but was able to read an understand my perl almost immediately. You can write unreadable perl, and that's a godsend for 1 shot scripts, but you can also write very readable perl. It's a language of acceptable subsets. --Shoeboy
Proof that/. moderators have no balls (as if proof were needed): Moderation Totals:Overrated=2, Total=2.
That's right, 2 overrated mods. Why, because they're scared shitless of meta moderation that's why. "Oh no, we might lose a point of karma. Better moderate as vaugely as possible." Fucking cowards. You can hear them whine at sid=lostkarma --Shoeboy
If only they had this policy when I was a child. Instead I was allowed to play fighting games all I wanted. As a result I ran away from home and joined a cross dimensional martial arts tournament run by an evil wizard. I was forced to fight and decapitate burly marines and thong clad women in order to protect earth from invasion. In the end I had both legs broken by a large speedo wearing Russian dude. The cops found me in the hospital and sent me back to my parents. I am sadder, wiser and crippled and I wish that I had never been allowed to play video games a such a young age. This law is needed. --Shoeboy
You don't know shit boy. OSM and trollaxor are nothing. Donkpunch is the god of/. He's rounding up all the jaded and syphillitic karma whores and forming them into a well ordered militia. Once we get Signal 11 on our side, we will cleanse the universe. --Shoeboy
You need bash for win32. It rocks. Get it as part of cygwin32 and you'll start enjoying using NT again. Plus you don't need to shed bad habits when moving between NT and Unix. You get to keep all your Unix bad habits. --Shoeboy
Come on, the whole concept of symlinks to do this sort of customization is a clumsy hack. Why would you symlink to things, instead of just putting them in the structure you want them in in the first place? What about when you want something to be in two places at once? What about when you want to move something, but don't want to mess with any programs that may be configured to point at it? At any rate, who said you can't create/mp3 and/porn on your own box? I certainly never did. Think of the unix file structure as having a sandbox in your backyard. If it's your own house, you can certainly scatter sand about the living room and having the sandbox out back won't hurt you. If you live with your parents or fussy roommates, the sandbox becomes the best solution for those times when you want to play 'construction site' with your tonka bulldozer. If you want to clutter up your root directory, be my guest, but don't try to argue that having the ability to keep your files in your own space is a hardship. --Shoeboy
I use linux, and I'm sure a traditional linux user would kill me This is the best response on this thread that I've seen. Beats mine by a mile. I don't believe that any 'traditional' linux user would kill you unless he/she had to use/troubleshoot your box. If someone (who doesn't need to use your box frequently) does complain just tell them 'piss off, I'm root, I can do whatever I want' Symbolic links allow easy and transpanent customization of the sort that Windows users can only dream about. --Shoeboy
When the 2 OSes, Win2K and the 9x codebase, get merged into one unified OS for both consumer and business desktops, I would expect that they'll go with the 9x/ME dir structure because it's what end users and most business users (non sysadmin types) would prefer. I disagree completely. Talk to the CTO or CIO or GM of IT or whoever makes the purchasing decisions at most companies, and you'll find that ease of management, standard configurations and security are high priorities. It costs a lot of time and money when a machine breaks and it's got a non-standard configuration. The solution at every company I've worked for has been to reimage the windows box from our standard image and tell the user 'tough shit - unsupported means unsupported' The thing that keeps IT managers from adopting Linux now is app compatibility and the cost of retraining. The IT managers want security and remote management on your workstation. It saves money, they can prove that it saves money -- so the board of directors wants it too. --Shoeboy
does anyone else find it exceedingly odd that an OS that's older than 95, 98, and the majority of the NT strain of Winvirus is the new OS on the block?!?! 98 is windows 4.1 and 95 is windows 4.0 -- first release of windows was in the 80's. I think you can count 95 as being a different OS from 3.11 though, so your point stands. IIRC, first release of NT was in '93 and linux 1.0 was in 91, so that's a couple of years younger than Linux. Win2k definitely is NT 5.0.
That would make Linux 9 years old, ME five years old and 2K seven years old. If you want to count 98, ME or 2K as new OS's, then you have to count linux 2.4 as a new OS too.
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Are you really a brit?
American of Danish descent actually, but thanks for caring.
--Shoeboy
One thing I've not seen addressed in the whole copyright debate - what rights does a DVD owner have when the copyright on a DVD they own expires?
The right to decompose slowly. You, your kids and quite possibly your grandkids will die of old age before 'Steamboat Willie' enters the public domain.
--Shoeboy
Smoking Joe,
I have encountered Signal 11. He sought me out in the steel cage. I gave him the option of either joining us or dieing in an unspeakably painful and erotic manner. He has not seen fit to join us. Do you still need him alive or can I deal with him.
Your young apprentice,
--Shoeboy
You're welcome.
--Shoeboy
I intend to get a palm VIIx and use it to read my horoscope online. Nothing like predicting the future by reading palms.
I told you it was a stupid joke.
--Shoeboy
Actually, Trollaxor started the gay stuff a couple of weeks ago. The steelcage thing was in response to this particularly rancid post.
I was simply defending myself.
--Shoeboy
Nice impression, you nearly had me fooled.
--Shoeboy
You've got really small thumbs. You know what they say about men with small thumbs, don't you?
--Shoeboy
Note to Americans: 412,000 square kilometers is about 3/5 the size of Texas.
What's with this metric BS. It's too confusing.
Anyway, here's some handy conversion info:
An inch is the outer part of a man's thumb, 25.4 millimeter to be exact. 12 inches to a foot, two feet to a cubit or three feet to a yard.
A rod/pole is 5.5 yards (16.5 feet): The size of a big stick carried around by builders (hence the name).
Four rods make a chain (22 yards) - the distance between two (cricket) wickets. Ten chains make a furlong. A furlong square is ten acres. Eight furlongs make a mile.
A perch was originaly a big stick, but later became a volume. A perch was a pile of stone one rod long by one foot wide by one cubit high).
--Shoeboy
world's largest proton rocket emblazoned with a Pizza Hut logo on the fuselage.
Not to be confused with equally sized rockets devoid of the pizza hut logo or any smaller pizza hut sponsored rockets.
--Shoeboy
I suggest zero knowledge postings. These really protect privacy. Basically you simply spout off without reading the article. This limits the FBI to only knowing that you're a pompous ass and a moron. I invented this technique, but Signal 11 stole it. As a result I had to skullfuck him in the steel cage.
--Shoeboy
Seriously, /why/ would you want to do that?
Because I can't code an attractive and usable UI to save my life, but I can specify the database interaction and function of a page. That's why.
--Shoeboy
I bet you like hungarian notation, too, you moron.
Don't complicate the language with functionality that belongs in the class/object browser.
Class/object browser? My copy of vi doesn't have this thing.
--Shoeboy
I've never much cared for the way variables are declared and used in Perl (scalars?). Too much use of symbols, not enough grammar.
Hmm... I like it. When the language has built in support for complex datatypes it's useful. Take T-SQL for example:
DECLARE @bob varchar(255)
SELECT @bob = max(bob) FROM tbl_bob
It's unfathomably useful to be able to tell at a glance whether you're dealing with a variable or an attribute of a tuple.
Perl is the same way. I find it nice to be able to tell at a glance whether I'm using a scalar or a list.
--Shoeboy
Hey, I like my C++ short and terse too, but I don't care for entire subroutines mostly written in punctuation.
This is a myth. You can right perfectly readable and maintainable perl. I currently prototype web pages in perl using cgi.pm and hand it off to an asp developer who translates it into VBscript asp's and cleans up the user interface. The guy had close to zero perl experience when he started, but was able to read an understand my perl almost immediately.
You can write unreadable perl, and that's a godsend for 1 shot scripts, but you can also write very readable perl. It's a language of acceptable subsets.
--Shoeboy
Proof that /. moderators have no balls (as if proof were needed):
Moderation Totals:Overrated=2, Total=2.
That's right, 2 overrated mods. Why, because they're scared shitless of meta moderation that's why.
"Oh no, we might lose a point of karma. Better moderate as vaugely as possible."
Fucking cowards. You can hear them whine at sid=lostkarma
--Shoeboy
If only they had this policy when I was a child. Instead I was allowed to play fighting games all I wanted. As a result I ran away from home and joined a cross dimensional martial arts tournament run by an evil wizard. I was forced to fight and decapitate burly marines and thong clad women in order to protect earth from invasion. In the end I had both legs broken by a large speedo wearing Russian dude. The cops found me in the hospital and sent me back to my parents. I am sadder, wiser and crippled and I wish that I had never been allowed to play video games a such a young age.
This law is needed.
--Shoeboy
sid=steelcage
Are you man enough?
--Shoeboy
You don't know shit boy. OSM and trollaxor are nothing. Donkpunch is the god of /. He's rounding up all the jaded and syphillitic karma whores and forming them into a well ordered militia. Once we get Signal 11 on our side, we will cleanse the universe.
--Shoeboy
You need bash for win32. It rocks. Get it as part of cygwin32 and you'll start enjoying using NT again. Plus you don't need to shed bad habits when moving between NT and Unix. You get to keep all your Unix bad habits.
--Shoeboy
Come on, the whole concept of symlinks to do this sort of customization is a clumsy hack. Why would you symlink to things, instead of just putting them in the structure you want them in in the first place? /mp3 and /porn on your own box? I certainly never did. Think of the unix file structure as having a sandbox in your backyard. If it's your own house, you can certainly scatter sand about the living room and having the sandbox out back won't hurt you. If you live with your parents or fussy roommates, the sandbox becomes the best solution for those times when you want to play 'construction site' with your tonka bulldozer.
What about when you want something to be in two places at once? What about when you want to move something, but don't want to mess with any programs that may be configured to point at it?
At any rate, who said you can't create
If you want to clutter up your root directory, be my guest, but don't try to argue that having the ability to keep your files in your own space is a hardship.
--Shoeboy
I use linux, and I'm sure a traditional linux user would kill me
This is the best response on this thread that I've seen. Beats mine by a mile.
I don't believe that any 'traditional' linux user would kill you unless he/she had to use/troubleshoot your box. If someone (who doesn't need to use your box frequently) does complain just tell them 'piss off, I'm root, I can do whatever I want'
Symbolic links allow easy and transpanent customization of the sort that Windows users can only dream about.
--Shoeboy
When the 2 OSes, Win2K and the 9x codebase, get merged into one unified OS for both consumer and business desktops, I would expect that they'll go with the 9x/ME dir structure because it's what end users and most business users (non sysadmin types) would prefer.
I disagree completely. Talk to the CTO or CIO or GM of IT or whoever makes the purchasing decisions at most companies, and you'll find that ease of management, standard configurations and security are high priorities. It costs a lot of time and money when a machine breaks and it's got a non-standard configuration. The solution at every company I've worked for has been to reimage the windows box from our standard image and tell the user 'tough shit - unsupported means unsupported'
The thing that keeps IT managers from adopting Linux now is app compatibility and the cost of retraining. The IT managers want security and remote management on your workstation. It saves money, they can prove that it saves money -- so the board of directors wants it too.
--Shoeboy
does anyone else find it exceedingly odd that an OS that's older than 95, 98, and the majority of the NT strain of Winvirus is the new OS on the block?!?!
98 is windows 4.1 and 95 is windows 4.0 -- first release of windows was in the 80's. I think you can count 95 as being a different OS from 3.11 though, so your point stands. IIRC, first release of NT was in '93 and linux 1.0 was in 91, so that's a couple of years younger than Linux. Win2k definitely is NT 5.0.
That would make Linux 9 years old, ME five years old and 2K seven years old. If you want to count 98, ME or 2K as new OS's, then you have to count linux 2.4 as a new OS too.
--Shoeboy
Where you see \\ as in "have \WINNT\Profiles\\My Documents\", it should read \\.
--Shoeboy