You don't dare respond to apk's other posts which show you're nothing but a weak trolling jerk
No, I don't respond to your other posts because I already have addressed every one of them, you just don't care and will continue to post the same crap over and over to try and prove yourself right rather than actually responding to the points I made.
Plus, if you actually wanted a response to any of them, you would stop the needless ad hominem, the trollish repetition and lack of actual points. When you want to discuss these things without all the attacks and bullshit, I will be here waiting.
Then, when the procedure didn't proceed exactly like he wanted, he committed a crime and revealed the information to a journalist. When you choose to ignore proper procedures and break the law, do you often get surprised when you get arrested?
APK, as others have said, no one thinks this isn't you, we all know it is you posting supporting yourself. Stop deluding yourself that you are winning some kind of argument here, you have failed to make a point, and keep harping on it somehow missing the response. No matter how many times you bring up Thomas Drake, you haven't addressed that he went on to not use the procedures available to him, and decided instead to break the law, then got smacked down for breaking the law.
So you may have to start asking more uncomfortable questions as to why.
Despite what the Social Justice crowd will have you think, we already know the reasons why. Women and Men are not identical! Women prefer socialization on average, Men prefer isolation on average. This leads to women preferring careers with socialization, while men are led to careers with less socialization. STEM careers for the most part are isolated jobs. Programming for the most part is sitting in front of a computer typing away, women are not drawn to this, they for the most part prefer socialization to isolation. BUT, and this is important, why does gender matter at all in any job? Are there tons of women being prevented from working in STEM, no. Just as there aren't tons of men being prevented from entering the nursing field. People choose the jobs that they want to do, trying to force people into jobs they don't want will never make them happy.
Focusing on people's sex is sexism, therefore the whole social justice movement is sexist at its heart. Normal people don't focus so strongly on other people's sex, companies hire the best person for a job, why would they not hire a woman if she fit the job? Companies aren't out to discriminate against anyone, they are out to find the best person for the job, not handicap themselves by focusing on only certain types of people.
If you think that story belongs, perhaps you should submit it. It is quite rare for Slashdot's editors to post a story on their own, it is all user generated.
However, I find it unlikely that the story will get approval and make it to the front page as Slashdot has been taken over by the SJW crowd. It is possible that they have had these things happen to them and so now all the stories are about the horrible sexism in STEM, despite numerous sources pointing out that people choose their careers, companies don't force people into careers.
Well, as I noted earlier, Snowden's method worked, your "proper method" would have just hid the crimes. And let's face, with the brutal treatment of NSA whistleblowers, we have established, officially, running to a foreign power as a legitimate form of whistleblowing.
How would we know? Snowden chose not to use the proper procedures, and all the people who were prosecuted did as well. Leaking classified information to those without a need to know and the proper clearances is a federal crime. Choosing to do that on the hope that you will be seen as a whistleblower is absurd, there are proper procedures for the intelligence community, and they protect sources and methods properly. Leaking to a journalist protects nothing and leads to deaths.
I was thinking more prison for violating the US Constitution and treason.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I assume that is the constitution you claim they violated. Considering that they had authorization from a federal court (FISA), that could count as a warrant, it was after all a judge ruling that the collection was reasonable, which also satisfies the constitution. Since it has been authorized numerous times since, and has been ruled both constitutional and unconstitutional, how can you say they have done anything against the constitution? The ruling that ruled it unconstitutional has even been overturned.
How did anyone commit treason other than Snowden?
Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."
(wikipedia treason article)
So, who did any of that and should be prosecuted?
I think you're bluffing.
Not sure how I am bluffing, I gave an example of what you are asking for and what would have resulted. Smarter people than I have thought of this, that is why there are examples of the allies not using Enigma intercepts despite the loss of life, as it would have revealed the secret. Germany in my understanding did upgrade the Enigma near the end of the war, and it was impenetrable to the allies, but it was already too late and there were other methods of getting the information at that point. This is history, if you want to argue it, talk to a historian.
Yeah, because who else do we listen to about proper legal procedures than the guy in that position explaining them. But I guess you know more about proper whistleblowing procedures for the intelligence community than Eric Holder?
He passed information on to China while there to buy asylum. I can only presume he did the same in Russia, but they are pretty tight lipped about what he has passed onto them.
Feel free to try, I am still waiting for anything you have said to be proven. Where has anyone followed the procedures from my link that Eric Holder went over, and been prosecuted?
He is actually quoting me from the article yesterday about Autism Spectrum Disorders in STEM, I admitted to being diagnosed as Asperger's Syndrome when I was in Middle/High school. He seems to think calling it brain damage will reduce me in everyone's eyes, but the funny thing is that probably around 50% of the people on Slashdot are also Autism Spectrum, so he is really alienating many of the people here, and likely insulting himself too.
It doesn't bother me, because I frankly don't see it as all that big a deal, I do find it funny that it is the only argument he can give against my refutation of his point.:)
Ok, lets go through this thread so I can show you where you lost your argument.
Up here, I link the exact method that is legally allowed for Whistleblowers in the intelligence community. http://slashdot.org/comments.p... You then reply with a bunch of people, ONE of which actually used that procedure (then went on to leak to a journalist), many of which BROKE THE LAW. You then wonder why they are being persecuted. Maybe because they didn't follow the procedures that are allowed to them, and instead went to journalists? http://slashdot.org/comments.p... I listed every single one of them off, and quotes straight out of Wikipedia which you can see yourself. http://slashdot.org/comments.p... Your response is that you can't believe me because of the "lies" I have told about you? You don't even have an account, so anyone can claim to be APK, but I am the one lying about what you say?
Perhaps you should learn how to have a civil discourse, oh, and stop shit posting like you have won any argument, you have noticed I haven't responded to a single one of your shit posts haven't you? I said I wouldn't respond to your trolling comments, and I have not. Here are examples of the trolling comments so you can understand the difference: http://slashdot.org/comments.p... http://slashdot.org/comments.p... http://slashdot.org/comments.p... http://slashdot.org/comments.p... All of them within 4 minutes total, all of them exactly duplicated around 20 times, all of them refuted arguments that you won't let go. All of them laced with insults, like that somehow makes your argument win. You have to shit post everything I post like that will suddenly make your offtopic arguments win.
I have held my word, I haven't responded to any of the trolling posts you made, but it is entirely up to you if you will continue the stupid insults in every single post. You can have a civil discussion, I will discuss any topic you like that is on topic, but it is up to you if you are willing to improve.
BTW, Asperger's, which is not brain damage doesn't even exist as a diagnosis anymore. It is a differently structured brain, a subcategory of Autism. Very likely, with the way you act, you have a far worse case than I do, but I am not a psychiatrist which you so clearly need.
In November 2005, Drake contacted Siobhan Gorman of The Baltimore Sun newspaper, sending her emails through Hushmail and discussing various topics.
Thomas Drake leaked classified information to a journalist because he didn't like how the investigation was going.
William Binney was never charged, just investigated...you know like the police/FBI are supposed to do by law?
He later admitted that he was one of the sources for the 2005 New York Times reporting on the wiretapping activities.
So, Russ Tice also went to a journalist rather than the proper channels.
Mark Klein went to journalists, and as far as I can tell never was charged or investigated
Did you mean: tim clement The page "Tim Clemente" does not exist. You can ask for it to be created, but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered.
And finally, Bradley Manning leaked a huge amount of diplomatic cables, where was the whistleblowing in that? He committed treason.
Edward Snowden is the worst of the bunch, he brought secrets to China and Russia to buy asylum, how is that not treason?
All above quotes are from the Wikipedia articles about these people.
* Man, are you an NSA/GCHQ for hire damage control man?
Edward Snowden specifically did not blow the whistle. He was trained on the proper method to blow the whistle, and Eric Holder details that method in the article I linked. Whistleblowers don't run to foreign governments that are just as bad or worse at freedom, and in the intelligence industry, people know you take it to congress who has oversight of the intelligence agencies. He chose to run to China, who would disappear someone who did what he did, then to Russia that has killed people for speaking out against the government. Yeah, he is real heroic, running to the people who are so much worse than what he is running from.
Of course. Stop the job and maybe put a few people in prison after a public trial, of course.
Why would ANYONE go to jail for spying? What do you think spy agencies are for? This is literally what we formed the NSA and CIA to do. The NSA also is tasked with securing the US Governments communications, but they are primarily a foreign intelligence agency. Their entire job is to spy on other governments to prevent them doing harm to the US.
Myself, for starters. If it can't be revealed to the public at all, it's not a legal warrant in my view.
So, according to you, we should compromise Top Secret information in order to get permission to stop a plot to hurt people/destroy shit in the US? I am so glad that you have no power, because you have no idea how this works or how it should work. Sources and methods are not meant to be revealed to the general public, as once they are revealed, they are useless in the future. You would have the predicessor of the NSA telling the world that the Enigma was broken in order to get permission to use the information, what kind of freaking moron makes that argument? If Germany found out that the Allies broke Enigma, World War 2 likely would have gone their way.
Who is the fuckhead? Where did I say we were at war with China or Russia? I said we are at war, that makes the treason be a death penalty if the government chooses to persue it that way.
That has been one of the lessons our GM tried to instill in the players, not every monster is evil. He actually had us fall through a portal where we encountered "dragons" which turned out to be a good adventuring party which encountered us as dragons. We defused the fight, but not rushing into every fight is a good thing to learn, as not every encounter is about bashing things with a sword.
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You don't dare respond to apk's other posts which show you're nothing but a weak trolling jerk
No, I don't respond to your other posts because I already have addressed every one of them, you just don't care and will continue to post the same crap over and over to try and prove yourself right rather than actually responding to the points I made.
Plus, if you actually wanted a response to any of them, you would stop the needless ad hominem, the trollish repetition and lack of actual points. When you want to discuss these things without all the attacks and bullshit, I will be here waiting.
Thomas Drake followed procedure bullshit.
Then, when the procedure didn't proceed exactly like he wanted, he committed a crime and revealed the information to a journalist. When you choose to ignore proper procedures and break the law, do you often get surprised when you get arrested?
APK, as others have said, no one thinks this isn't you, we all know it is you posting supporting yourself. Stop deluding yourself that you are winning some kind of argument here, you have failed to make a point, and keep harping on it somehow missing the response. No matter how many times you bring up Thomas Drake, you haven't addressed that he went on to not use the procedures available to him, and decided instead to break the law, then got smacked down for breaking the law.
So you may have to start asking more uncomfortable questions as to why.
Despite what the Social Justice crowd will have you think, we already know the reasons why. Women and Men are not identical! Women prefer socialization on average, Men prefer isolation on average. This leads to women preferring careers with socialization, while men are led to careers with less socialization. STEM careers for the most part are isolated jobs. Programming for the most part is sitting in front of a computer typing away, women are not drawn to this, they for the most part prefer socialization to isolation. BUT, and this is important, why does gender matter at all in any job? Are there tons of women being prevented from working in STEM, no. Just as there aren't tons of men being prevented from entering the nursing field. People choose the jobs that they want to do, trying to force people into jobs they don't want will never make them happy.
Focusing on people's sex is sexism, therefore the whole social justice movement is sexist at its heart. Normal people don't focus so strongly on other people's sex, companies hire the best person for a job, why would they not hire a woman if she fit the job? Companies aren't out to discriminate against anyone, they are out to find the best person for the job, not handicap themselves by focusing on only certain types of people.
Naa, Matt Damon is either stuck on a planet covered in ice, or stuck on Mars, depending on which recent Science Fiction movie you believe.
Naa, it is a Fire Elemental community.
They got tired of Sheldon Cooper deriding Geology, so changed the name of their field to hide their origin?
If you think that story belongs, perhaps you should submit it. It is quite rare for Slashdot's editors to post a story on their own, it is all user generated.
However, I find it unlikely that the story will get approval and make it to the front page as Slashdot has been taken over by the SJW crowd. It is possible that they have had these things happen to them and so now all the stories are about the horrible sexism in STEM, despite numerous sources pointing out that people choose their careers, companies don't force people into careers.
Well, as I noted earlier, Snowden's method worked, your "proper method" would have just hid the crimes. And let's face, with the brutal treatment of NSA whistleblowers, we have established, officially, running to a foreign power as a legitimate form of whistleblowing.
How would we know? Snowden chose not to use the proper procedures, and all the people who were prosecuted did as well. Leaking classified information to those without a need to know and the proper clearances is a federal crime. Choosing to do that on the hope that you will be seen as a whistleblower is absurd, there are proper procedures for the intelligence community, and they protect sources and methods properly. Leaking to a journalist protects nothing and leads to deaths.
I was thinking more prison for violating the US Constitution and treason.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I assume that is the constitution you claim they violated. Considering that they had authorization from a federal court (FISA), that could count as a warrant, it was after all a judge ruling that the collection was reasonable, which also satisfies the constitution. Since it has been authorized numerous times since, and has been ruled both constitutional and unconstitutional, how can you say they have done anything against the constitution? The ruling that ruled it unconstitutional has even been overturned.
How did anyone commit treason other than Snowden?
Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."
(wikipedia treason article)
So, who did any of that and should be prosecuted?
I think you're bluffing.
Not sure how I am bluffing, I gave an example of what you are asking for and what would have resulted. Smarter people than I have thought of this, that is why there are examples of the allies not using Enigma intercepts despite the loss of life, as it would have revealed the secret. Germany in my understanding did upgrade the Enigma near the end of the war, and it was impenetrable to the allies, but it was already too late and there were other methods of getting the information at that point. This is history, if you want to argue it, talk to a historian.
Yeah, because who else do we listen to about proper legal procedures than the guy in that position explaining them. But I guess you know more about proper whistleblowing procedures for the intelligence community than Eric Holder?
He passed information on to China while there to buy asylum. I can only presume he did the same in Russia, but they are pretty tight lipped about what he has passed onto them.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news...
I do read, do you?
So where exactly does it say that the NSA then turned around and provided that information to Exxon?
Spying for economic purposes includes passing the secrets on to companies that can use the data, not just checking up on companies.
Feel free to try, I am still waiting for anything you have said to be proven. Where has anyone followed the procedures from my link that Eric Holder went over, and been prosecuted?
He is actually quoting me from the article yesterday about Autism Spectrum Disorders in STEM, I admitted to being diagnosed as Asperger's Syndrome when I was in Middle/High school. He seems to think calling it brain damage will reduce me in everyone's eyes, but the funny thing is that probably around 50% of the people on Slashdot are also Autism Spectrum, so he is really alienating many of the people here, and likely insulting himself too.
It doesn't bother me, because I frankly don't see it as all that big a deal, I do find it funny that it is the only argument he can give against my refutation of his point. :)
Ok, lets go through this thread so I can show you where you lost your argument.
Up here, I link the exact method that is legally allowed for Whistleblowers in the intelligence community.
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
You then reply with a bunch of people, ONE of which actually used that procedure (then went on to leak to a journalist), many of which BROKE THE LAW. You then wonder why they are being persecuted. Maybe because they didn't follow the procedures that are allowed to them, and instead went to journalists?
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
I listed every single one of them off, and quotes straight out of Wikipedia which you can see yourself.
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Your response is that you can't believe me because of the "lies" I have told about you? You don't even have an account, so anyone can claim to be APK, but I am the one lying about what you say?
Perhaps you should learn how to have a civil discourse, oh, and stop shit posting like you have won any argument, you have noticed I haven't responded to a single one of your shit posts haven't you? I said I wouldn't respond to your trolling comments, and I have not. Here are examples of the trolling comments so you can understand the difference:
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
All of them within 4 minutes total, all of them exactly duplicated around 20 times, all of them refuted arguments that you won't let go. All of them laced with insults, like that somehow makes your argument win. You have to shit post everything I post like that will suddenly make your offtopic arguments win.
I have held my word, I haven't responded to any of the trolling posts you made, but it is entirely up to you if you will continue the stupid insults in every single post. You can have a civil discussion, I will discuss any topic you like that is on topic, but it is up to you if you are willing to improve.
BTW, Asperger's, which is not brain damage doesn't even exist as a diagnosis anymore. It is a differently structured brain, a subcategory of Autism. Very likely, with the way you act, you have a far worse case than I do, but I am not a psychiatrist which you so clearly need.
In November 2005, Drake contacted Siobhan Gorman of The Baltimore Sun newspaper, sending her emails through Hushmail and discussing various topics.
Thomas Drake leaked classified information to a journalist because he didn't like how the investigation was going.
William Binney was never charged, just investigated...you know like the police/FBI are supposed to do by law?
He later admitted that he was one of the sources for the 2005 New York Times reporting on the wiretapping activities.
So, Russ Tice also went to a journalist rather than the proper channels.
Mark Klein went to journalists, and as far as I can tell never was charged or investigated
Did you mean: tim clement
The page "Tim Clemente" does not exist. You can ask for it to be created, but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered.
And finally, Bradley Manning leaked a huge amount of diplomatic cables, where was the whistleblowing in that? He committed treason.
Edward Snowden is the worst of the bunch, he brought secrets to China and Russia to buy asylum, how is that not treason?
All above quotes are from the Wikipedia articles about these people.
* Man, are you an NSA/GCHQ for hire damage control man?
No, I just know the procedures.
Because clearly someone who can't even manage to make an account is more of an expert than actual planetary scientists:
http://www.space.com/12710-plu...
Edward Snowden specifically did not blow the whistle. He was trained on the proper method to blow the whistle, and Eric Holder details that method in the article I linked. Whistleblowers don't run to foreign governments that are just as bad or worse at freedom, and in the intelligence industry, people know you take it to congress who has oversight of the intelligence agencies. He chose to run to China, who would disappear someone who did what he did, then to Russia that has killed people for speaking out against the government. Yeah, he is real heroic, running to the people who are so much worse than what he is running from.
Of course. Stop the job and maybe put a few people in prison after a public trial, of course.
Why would ANYONE go to jail for spying? What do you think spy agencies are for? This is literally what we formed the NSA and CIA to do. The NSA also is tasked with securing the US Governments communications, but they are primarily a foreign intelligence agency. Their entire job is to spy on other governments to prevent them doing harm to the US.
Myself, for starters. If it can't be revealed to the public at all, it's not a legal warrant in my view.
So, according to you, we should compromise Top Secret information in order to get permission to stop a plot to hurt people/destroy shit in the US? I am so glad that you have no power, because you have no idea how this works or how it should work. Sources and methods are not meant to be revealed to the general public, as once they are revealed, they are useless in the future. You would have the predicessor of the NSA telling the world that the Enigma was broken in order to get permission to use the information, what kind of freaking moron makes that argument? If Germany found out that the Allies broke Enigma, World War 2 likely would have gone their way.
Who is the fuckhead? Where did I say we were at war with China or Russia? I said we are at war, that makes the treason be a death penalty if the government chooses to persue it that way.
I saw a comic recently comparing Fantasy Football with D&D, there really isn't much difference.
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No.
That has been one of the lessons our GM tried to instill in the players, not every monster is evil. He actually had us fall through a portal where we encountered "dragons" which turned out to be a good adventuring party which encountered us as dragons. We defused the fight, but not rushing into every fight is a good thing to learn, as not every encounter is about bashing things with a sword.
Don't worry, the feeling is mutual, we want to punch you for being a narrow minded git with no imagination.
It all happened because he preferred to play a Chaotic Evil character in D&D, and we all know that people play the character they wish they were!
The woosh was in the air.
DRAM is a type of RAM.