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Google-Supported CodeGirl Documentary Makes "Exclusive YouTube Premiere"

theodp writes: As part of our Made with Code and media perception initiatives," wrote YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki over at the Official Google Blog, "I'm excited that we're supporting award-winning documentary filmmaker Lesley Chilcott — of An Inconvenient Truth and Waiting for Superman [and Code.org] fame — on her next film, CodeGirl. Until November 5 Lesley's film will be available for free on YouTube, before its theatrical debut in the next few weeks." Microsoft is pretty jazzed about the movie too, as is Al Gore. Decidedly less excited about CodeGirl is film critic Inkoo Kang, who writes, "CodeGirl, a chronicle of this year's Technovation contest, is just as well-intentioned as its subject. It coasts for as long as it can on the feel-good fuel of watching smart, earnest girls talk about creating an app, but with virtually no tension, context, narrative or characterization driving the story, the documentary grows to feel like a parent describing their daughter's involvement in an international competition. The girls' achievements are impressive, but you definitely don't want to hear about them for nearly two hours.

289 comments

  1. Sheesh Dice... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is Thursday the new Friday?

    1. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every day is Friday nowadays.

    2. Re:Sheesh Dice... by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      It annoys me that there were probably some boys out there who REALLY care about programming who didn't get to participate in this contest.

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    3. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Well you're probably right. And seeing as how Eirc Raymond, made this post yesterday you have a right to be annoyed, if not angry. If what he made in terms of a statement is true then there is a problem, but the problem isn't men.

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    4. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      In my case, the fact that it attracts stupid comments from idiots like you.

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    5. Re:Sheesh Dice... by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      Geez, that's some scary shit. Now *there's* a story actually worthy of being on Slashdot.

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    6. Re:Sheesh Dice... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Why are you upset about this? What about this movie or this story annoys you?

      The only part that annoyed me is the whole "exclusive youtube premiere". You know what else has an exclusive youtube premiere? Cellphone video of cats.

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    7. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they want to get more girls to code then Lesley Chilcott and Al Gore should make a film about H1B abuse, but the SJW fools think a lack of women in tech is much more worthy of a story.

    8. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Chris+Johnson · · Score: 1

      I found it very disconcerting that the primary Google search box, as seen on Chrome's empty page, had an advertisement under it. I automatically thought, 'whoa, this must be bad news if anybody's spent THAT MUCH MONEY to promote it'. If it's not money but influence, that's just as worrying.

      I don't remember electing Google to dictate the course of society. Some of us are trying pretty hard to elect for instance Bernie to do that, which is a legitimate path to take toward that goal. Getting really chummy with Sergey Brin to have as much of an effect doesn't feel like how society should work.

    9. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The only part that annoyed me is the whole "exclusive youtube premiere". You know what else has an exclusive youtube premiere? Cellphone video of cats.

      Which of course brings up the question of why there are almost no pets in STEM careers.

      The thing that seriously annoys me about this whole women can code thing is why we are going out of our way to train women for jobs that won't exist for them unless they renounce their citizenship, move to another country, then come back to get a job using an H-1B visa.

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    10. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot used to be a place for "News for Nerd". Interesting, cool, geeky, coding, technoloigy, and yes, a bit of gossip and e-celeb drama was all part of the mix.

      So when Eric S. Raymond claims on his blog that there are people actively trying to frame Linus Torvalds for sexual assault at conferences, regardless of whether the claims have merit or not, it's the kind of story one would formerly have expected to see on Slashdot's front page.

      Is there anyone still alive around here who remembers how to run a geek news site anymore?

    11. Re:Sheesh Dice... by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Why are you upset about this? What about this movie or this story annoys you?

      I just want to know when they'll be producing Nurse Boy, and Teacher Man. I can't get worked up about the topic of the lack of women in STEM if we're not going to be equally worked up about the lack of men in traditionally female careers.

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    12. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Is there anyone still alive around here who remembers how to run a geek news site anymore?"

      Advertising bubble bro! Genuine geek sites that began as hobbies for the community have degenerated into communities of "end products" to be exploited thanks to owners getting older, selling out, and not giving two shits.

    13. Re:Sheesh Dice... by thesandtiger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. It's terrifying (well, more disappointing) that completely unsubstantiated claims from someone who was chatting anonymously on IRC are being taken seriously by anyone, ESPECIALLY someone who is seen as a thought leader in the OSS community, and that some idiots will latch on to this kind of weak shit as proof of their preconceptions and then begin acting on this nonsense.

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    14. Re:Sheesh Dice... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      I just want to know when they'll be producing Nurse Boy, and Teacher Man.

      Why do they have to to produce those movies? Some kid of cosmic karma balancing act?

      Failure to tackle all problems in the world simultaneously is not a valid criticism. It takes immense effort to deal with these issues and doesn't imply that they don't care about anything else. In fact efforts to get more male nurses and teachers have been well documented on TV, at least in the UK, if you bother to look. Teaching in particular has been pushed by feminists who understand that young boys need male role models.

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    15. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ESR is not anonymous, knows the other person in the chat and considers that informant trustworthy. It is doubtful that ESR, fully knowing his celebrity status and the scrutiny this is going to get, would report such a claim lightly. Besides, if you've followed the situation of Julian Assange and a number of other high profile cases, you must be aware that the method is not exactly unknown. What's new is that it's allegedly being tried against public Open Source figures.

      A recent news item reported that a man had been asked to change seats on an airplane because he was seated next to an unaccompanied minor. Some male nurses as well as male teachers and kindergarteners are required by their employers to always have a trusted third person present to avoid allegations of sexual assault. Men are guilty until proven innocent when it comes to matters of sexual harassment and assault, so the effectiveness of honey traps is undeniable, and the defense is as described: Have trusted and trustworthy witnesses present at all times.

    16. Re:Sheesh Dice... by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      No fucking kidding.

      There are days when I wonder if the men around me are scared of me because they feel like they can't tell me what's really on their mind without me running to HR to tell them what kind of sexist pig they are for having the balls to be honest that my reports might not be the pinnacle of scientific progress.

      I felt as if I had impostor syndrome for years because I was afraid of this very thing. I'm a little more confident nowadays, but at this point, I have no idea what to think sometimes.

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    17. Re:Sheesh Dice... by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      So we can create an economy of laborers that are unskilled and unprepared for the job market, so that the upper class can claim we're the problem because we're not trying hard enough to lift ourselves up by our bootstraps, and American workers are so unworthy of the jobs they want to bestow, that they have to be filled overseas?

      Call me crazy, but I think there may just be a little bit of malice going on here.

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    18. Re:Sheesh Dice... by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because the post that was linked doesn't show an obvious agenda, with quotes like "(Donâ(TM)t like that, ladies? Tough. You were just fine with collective guilt when the shoe was on the other foot. Enjoy your turn!)" That seems pretty axe-grindy to me and only serves to perpetuate the cycle of mistrust and abuses that mistrust enables.

      I agree that if people, regardless of gender, are concerned that private one-on-one interactions they have may be used against them, by all means, strive to never be alone with someone you don't trust.

      I think it sucks that some men feel like they can't talk to a woman without being accused of impropriety. I think it sucks that some women feel like they can't report a legitimate impropriety without being subject to character assassination and accusations that they were "asking for it". I think it sucks in general that people have stereotypes of the worst in their demographic bucket applied to them, and I don't think any reasonable person can disagree with that general statement.

      The situation sucks for EVERYONE. If ESR, fully knowing his celebrity status and the scrutiny it would get, were ACTUALLY trying to do justice to his status, he would have been more responsible in his approach rather than clearly turning it into a dig at women in general with the quote I posted above.

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    19. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

      Google has an obvious interest in promoting the growth of its potential workforce, and they feel there's an opportunity to do that by getting more girls coding. Is there anything wrong with that?

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    20. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well you're probably right. And seeing as how Eirc Raymond, made this post yesterday you have a right to be annoyed, if not angry. If what he made in terms of a statement is true then there is a problem, but the problem isn't men.

      ESR went batshit crazy after 9/11 and seems to be a gun-crazed, paranoid, misogynist now; I don't think it's safe to be within rifle range of the man.

    21. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing that seriously annoys me about this whole women can code thing is why we are going out of our way to train women for jobs that won't exist for them unless they renounce their citizenship, move to another country, then come back to get a job using an H-1B visa.

      Oh, fuck off. We're at full employment now in the tech industry - between 2.5 and 3% unemployment nationwide. At that level, it's actually very difficult to find qualified candidates, regardless of genitalia.

      Breathlessly announcing that this is some sort of farcical "dey gunna take our jerbs!" maneuver is fucking STUPID, and just one more attempt by the good old boys' network to scare women away from tech careers.

    22. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That seems pretty axe-grindy to me

      It is however the truth. The actions of a few have been used to defame an entire gender in order to push an agenda, and women have indeed rarely spoken out against this smear campaign. The reality is that men understand now that they can not expect justice and have to protect their interests themselves, and an obvious way of doing that is to minimize risk by excluding all women, because there is no way to know in advance who is trustworthy and who is not. This is an obvious and predictable result of pushing the "misogynist men" propaganda that we've been enduring for years. You don't have to look far: Now even some women recognize that the feminist war on men is divisive and creates an even more hostile environment for the women in IT. There is a highly rated comment in this very thread explaining that insight. But we told you so. If telling women why they are now met with actual hostility instead of mere irritation sounds like axe grinding, then so be it.

    23. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Call me crazy, but I think there may just be a little bit of malice going on here.

      It very well might be indistinguishable from that.

      If the idea was to get young ladies interested in Science, then I'm for as much exposure as they are willing to handle. But trying to get them into a dying field (at least for American citizens in America - is just plain nasty.

      And having worked with several women engineers and scientists, there was a common thread in thinking that these type efforts are pointless, and especially blaming it all on men is likewise pointless.

      And it isn't a denial of misogynism, or that some guys are jackasses. It's that they laugh at the idea that anything like that was going to keep them away from what they wanted to do. And all but one of the female engineers I worked with was highly respected. I think the one who wasn't was a young lady who got cast into the wrong profession. She quit and became a professional trainer, after which she was happy.

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    24. Re:Sheesh Dice... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Nah, they're scared because they've never seen a woman with a gray neck beard, specifically a Dorito speckled beard, guzzling quarts of Mountain Dew faster than they sip coffee.

      Well, I mean, you are a geek. I'm pretty sure you must have a beard, eat cheesy chips, and guzzle Mountain Dew (or Jolt). Sheesh.... I think those are standard features that you get when ever you write your first BASIC program. By the time you're at shell scripts you should have forgotten how to bathe. Pretty soon, usually when you stop running those scripts by hand and have crontab doing the work, is when you stop interacting with 'normies.'

      See? I've finally got women figured out! ;-)

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    25. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Breathlessly announcing that this is some sort of farcical "dey gunna take our jerbs!" maneuver is fucking STUPID, and just one more attempt by the good old boys' network to scare women away from tech careers.

      You do have some serious reading comprehension problems donchya, Coward?

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    26. Re:Sheesh Dice... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Which of course brings up the question of why there are almost no pets in STEM careers.

      PETA. Bosses wouldn't be allowed to treat animals the way they treat humans :-)

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    27. Re:Sheesh Dice... by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

      By all means - please keep perpetuating the cycle and tell me how that works out for you.

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    28. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess they must be holding this one for Friday: http://slashdot.org/submission/5190357/esr-radical-feminists-are-attempting-to-frame-linus-others-for-sexual-assault

    29. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not perpetuating anything. War is hell, but it wasn't me who chose to go to war. When you are attacked, you defend.

    30. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's got about as much credibility as most of the other tripe on Slashdot. That is to say, nothing but ESR's word that the conversation really happened.

      Hell, that's more credibility than a lot of shit that gets posted here.

      As for the story, it won't happen, because DICE is in love with social jersterce. Meanwhile, the many people who have seen this sort of shit go down (and it does happen - not nearly as often as neckbearded MRAs would have you believe, but it is not a thing of fantasy) are already well aware of the fact that you should never be alone with a person in even a psuedo-professional setting.

    31. Re:Sheesh Dice... by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      The general consensus among the guys I know (and in my own personal experience) is that you're never going to stop anyone who truly genuinely wants what they want. Women who ended up in engineering according to these guys (at least the ones with long-sustained careers) were 100% go-getters. They didn't need their hands held or any convincing that what they wanted to do was to put that pencil to paper (keys to keyboard...whatever) and go until the problem was solved.

      I'd been an inveterate puzzle solver since I was little. My sister not so much.

      Guess which one of us became an engineer and which one works in retail?

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    32. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You will be saying that right up until it happens to you.

    33. Re:Sheesh Dice... by russotto · · Score: 2

      I agree. It's terrifying (well, more disappointing) that completely unsubstantiated claims from someone who was chatting anonymously on IRC are being taken seriously by anyone, ESPECIALLY someone who is seen as a thought leader in the OSS community

      The source wasn't anonymous to esr; he knows who it is.

    34. Re:Sheesh Dice... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      After reading some of esr's writings, he thinks weird. I'll read him because he's interesting and thought-provoking, but I don't really trust his judgment of other people, or his opinions.

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    35. Re:Sheesh Dice... by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      I just want to know when they'll be producing Nurse Boy, and Teacher Man. I can't get worked up about the topic of the lack of women in STEM if we're not going to be equally worked up about the lack of men in traditionally female careers.

      OTHER people are worked up about it and a trying to do things about it. You just won't hear about it on in the neckbeard-centric tech-career-obsessed Slashdot.

      https://www.discovernursing.co...

      http://www.aamn.org/

    36. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just want to know when they'll be producing Nurse Boy

      You might be interested in contacting the American Association of Men in Nursing, to ask if you can assist with that endeavor.

      and Teacher Man

      You should probably contact the MenTeach organization, as well.

      Now, I'll sit here patiently and wait for you to rabidly denounce these sexist gender warriors trying to oust women from their well-paid jobs and force men into roles that they've clearly expressed a preference against! Can't wait to see your outrage when you find out about these organizations!

    37. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smells like complete bullshit to me. Probably because it's complete bullshit.

      You're imagining monsters where none exist. The only scary thing here is your paranoid delusions.

    38. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I agree. It's terrifying (well, more disappointing) that completely unsubstantiated claims from someone who was chatting anonymously on IRC are being taken seriously by anyone,

      Well if it's fake, it's a long con. Especially after you start seeing all this stuff right?

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    39. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ESR Also claims that AGW is sponsored by former KGB Psyops. http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1447#comment-243073

      There’s a hard core that’s sort of a zombie remnant of Soviet psyops. Their goals are political: trash capitalism, resurrect socialism from the dustbin of history. They’re actually more like what I have elsewhere called a prospiracy, having lost their proper conspiratorial armature when KGB Department V folded up in 1992.

    40. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Which of course brings up the question of why there are almost no pets in STEM careers.

      PETA. Bosses wouldn't be allowed to treat animals the way they treat humans :-)

      Well played!

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    41. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      By all means - please keep perpetuating the cycle and tell me how that works out for you.

      If a group which has created the problem, refuses to accept responsibility and those people who belonged to said group refuse to accept responsibility. The only solution left is to let people know that they are causing problems, and delibertly trying to drive a wedge between people in order to further their ideological agenda.

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    42. Re:Sheesh Dice... by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      You're imagining monsters where none exist. The only scary thing here is your paranoid delusions.

      Which side are you talking about? Because that could apply to either of them.

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    43. Re:Sheesh Dice... by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

      So is the group "women who have made false accusations of harassment" or "women in general"?

      Because if the group is "women who have made false accusations of harassment and have refused to accept responsibility" sure - I have no problem with saying that "women who have made false accusations of harassment and have failed to accept responsibility" should be publicly outed.

      But if you're saying "women in general" should be lumped in, then holy shit, you're insane. No one should have to apologize or accept responsibility for anyone's actions but their own or those that they are directly in control of/have authority over. I personally refuse to take responsibility for stupid behavior because some people in my demographic bucket behave poorly, and even more so, fuck anyone who says that I am obligated to say "I don't like that behavior!" when someone in my demographic bucket behaves poorly.

      Further, if you're endorsing the "women in general" notion - then the exact same reasoning holds true for men.

      So please, be clear: who bears the responsibility, in your opinion? Women who make false accusations of harassment or women in general?

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    44. Re:Sheesh Dice... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      So is the group "women who have made false accusations of harassment" or "women in general"?

      Because if the group is "women who have made false accusations of harassment and have refused to accept responsibility" sure - I have no problem with saying that "women who have made false accusations of harassment and have failed to accept responsibility" should be publicly outed.

      But if you're saying "women in general" should be lumped in, then holy shit, you're insane. No one should have to apologize or accept responsibility for anyone's actions but their own or those that they are directly in control of/have authority over. I personally refuse to take responsibility for stupid behavior because some people in my demographic bucket behave poorly, and even more so, fuck anyone who says that I am obligated to say "I don't like that behavior!" when someone in my demographic bucket behaves poorly.

      Further, if you're endorsing the "women in general" notion - then the exact same reasoning holds true for men.

      So please, be clear: who bears the responsibility, in your opinion? Women who make false accusations of harassment or women in general?

      Oh I'd agree with that, but there's a problem. While true that the group and women along with men responsible should be publicly held account, the problem is, there's an entire stream of radical feminism out there that blames all men for this, and have an incredible hate-on for them. This is where this problem originates from. This is why there are groups like this setting frame-ups, that's why you're seeing things like the UVA rape hoax. And in both cases, these individuals their followers, among others are claiming that an entire spectrum of people have collective guilt over it.

      So, I suppose that means there's an entire group of women along with ideology out there that you could claim is batshit insane. And while you're correct, that no one should have to accept responsibility for the actions of other people. But, then again you've also got people making large cases out for white guilt as well, and blaming all white people for things like slavery. And you've got feminists claiming all men are xyz and in both instances, among others not only are they not ignored or called out for their bullshit they're given a soap box and a pat on the head for doing it.

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  2. So Scared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm too terrified of the comments to go and look. Perhaps someone can report back for us. I expect that it will be a hateful bloodbath of illiteracy.

    Truthfully, as bad as they are, there is a certain comfort in the certainty of YouTube comments.

    1. Re:So Scared by bertoelcon · · Score: 2

      Comments are disabled for this video.

      Exactly as expected...

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  3. Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is this propaganda in order to dilute the market with excess coders or whatever?

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda
    : ideas or statements that are often false or exaggerated and that are spread in order to help a cause, a political leader, a government, etc.

    Go ahead and mark me down as a troll now. I know my above post is going to offend people, but we need to get this conversation started.

    1. Re:Propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this propaganda in order to dilute the market with excess entry-level coders or whatever?

      T, FTFY.

      The agenda has been to make entry-level programming a McJob in which the victim will be stuck for life. No career in any sense. Just flip the bur^H^H^H bits.

      The future of programming jobs will be a bunch of rockstar/superstar/whatever programmers with a horde of McCoders.

  4. Theodp = Trollbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a Slashdot reg, you're supposed to think, this is discrimination against males, right! Sponsored by Microsoft, Al Gore, and big outfits in SV!

    Don't take the bait.

  5. Does she design an app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then get the boys to build it for her, thus dooming another generation of women into thinking that being a quasi-PM is the same as being productive?

    1. Re: Does she design an app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of that I have no doubt

  6. Film Critic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The documentary is too long. 90% of the time you see a group of girls giggling and chatting about non issues (clichees are confirmed).
    Two nerdy girls solve Rubic Cube with one hand (that's the only memorizable part for me).
    They speak about coding, but you don't see anyone really coding, they just have the laptop and type (could be chatting or emailing).
    The coding is about mobile applications - if you expect to see a diagram how things are setup, nothing.

    The documentary communicates: teenage girls can develop apps (one has to assume this as it's not really shown), even with a social agenda and not just hype something meaningless to earn money. The documentary looks at teams competing for some price to win, training to present their ideas - it's close to a meaningless reality show. Topic-wise interesting, as documentary it falls short in my eyes, all remains on the surface. All girls are treated like props, no personality of anyone is explored sufficiently, no history, too many faces, too little depth.

    A (interesting) topic cannot carry a documentary alone.

    1. Re:Film Critic by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      SJW's applaud documentary that shows teenage girls giggling and acting vacuous instead of actually learning and accomplishing something.

      Way to advance the cause, dipshits. Now people are SURE to take women coders seriously.

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    2. Re:Film Critic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a word - boring. In today's firestorm of media, such a laid-back video with about zero content will hardly inspire anything. Maybe we need "Coding with the Stars," in which Megan Fox writes a bubble sort under a minute.

    3. Re:Film Critic by BinBoy · · Score: 1

      > They speak about coding, but you don't see anyone really coding

      Yeah, I'm about 17 minutes in and don't see any code yet. If they're actually programming and not using some sort of app construction set, then this movie is a disservice to the girls. Let them show off their skills!

    4. Re:Film Critic by KGIII · · Score: 1

      It's probably not impossible but it's likely damned difficult and counterproductive to design a mobile app with something as basic and featureless as Scratch. MIT did not make Scratch for coding anything useful, really. I mean, I've played with it and I suppose you could. I don't think it's practical. The code that they show them working on is in Scratch.

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    5. Re:Film Critic by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Coding is not much of a spectator sport. Watch me, and I'll sit still for a while, make some notes, bring up some other part of the code, stare at it, and then there will be a quick burst of rapid typing, after which I'm back to motionlessly staring at the screen.

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    6. Re:Film Critic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's you evil cishet misogynerds who make programming too technical and keep women out by sexually harassing them with your constant microaggressions!

      NARRATIVE IS TRUTH! Women are starting to figure the TRUTH out, and it turns out that you need to do to be a programmer is copy HTML and Javascript from StackOverflow. You evil white cis misogynerds have been lying about programming all along!

  7. This documentary is the wrong approach by Qbertino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm all for asking women to move into tech jobs - we have too little of them. But I think this documentary sends the wrong message. Girls building one-shot girlie apps isn't very flattering a proposition for women in tech.

    They should've done a really good documentary on Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper and perhaps some current day programmers doing serious and exciting work.

    I was at the Google Polymer Summit a few weeks ago and there were some young women there, some of them high-profile software developers - a length interview with those would give off a much better impression of what type of women in tech we all want. One of the ladies was on the chrome team working on the rendering and DOM engine - I can barely image what a hardcore coding job that is.

    And yes, they did look girlie and quite cute actually. Makeup, high-heels, elaborate hair-do. No problem here. The point I'm making is that they were *coding* serious stuff. You can be into cupcakes, pink pettycoats, pigtails and hello kitty and still do that.
    Heck, our male coder type digs nerf guns and is all exited about the new star wars like a nine-year old at the age of 40 - like that's anymore grown-up a pastime. ...

    I could be wrong, but I do think we have to move the coding women doing the serious stuff on to the stage - that would give off a better impression.

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    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
    1. Re:This documentary is the wrong approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should've done a really good documentary on Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper and perhaps some current day programmers doing serious and exciting work.

      But that wouldn't let them set up a useless bit of pandering in a contest for all the people to donate money.

      Personally I hated all of that stuff, all through school, regardless of the subject.

    2. Re:This documentary is the wrong approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ada Lovelace and Grace Hopper, a grand total of 2 (two) women who did anything of note for programming, and the first shouldn't even count.

    3. Re:This documentary is the wrong approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I refused to do it when I realised that I wouldn't personally be receiving any of the money.

    4. Re:This documentary is the wrong approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You definitely have a point, though I think the documentary has the right approach.

      How do we get young girls into programming? We show them that high-schoolers can create stuff that are very familiar to them, apps.

      You can see app-coding as a gateway drug, they'll probably get into lower level languages or get a diploma in CS in the future.

      I did not become a system administrator by looking at other system administrators, I started by building small scale LAN-parties and gaining basic knowledge and then getting my CS degree.

      I think the purpose of the documentary is rather to "Normalize" computer science for high school girls, which I think it succeeds in doing.

    5. Re:This documentary is the wrong approach by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Have you seen the film? The girls look girly. It's not just one-shot apps, they are talking about a general interest in making apps etc. While I agree that some history will be inspiring, I think actually making some useful apps that have real world applications in their home towns and countries is worthwhile and serious work. I know what you are saying, but there is time for the more hard core CS stuff when they are older.

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      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    6. Re:This documentary is the wrong approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > And yes, they did look girlie and quite cute actually. Makeup, high-heels, elaborate hair-do. No problem here.

      What problem would there be if they weren't girlie and cute?

    7. Re:This documentary is the wrong approach by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I'm all for asking women to move into tech jobs - we have too little of them. But I think this documentary sends the wrong message. Girls building one-shot girlie apps isn't very flattering a proposition for women in tech.

      Some times the whole thing sounds a little like the ladies down at Curves ( a women only gym) complaining about men excluding them.

      They should've done a really good documentary on Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper and perhaps some current day programmers doing serious and exciting work.

      Or Hedy LaMarr, who had the side benefit of being so beautiful, she could destroy the "homely smart girl with glasses" stereotype instantly Aside from he acting career, she was an inventor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... the most well known invention in conjunction with another person, of frequency hopping spread spectrum radio.

      But back to women in science in general, Marie Curie, or Jane Goodall, Ellen RIchards, Beatrix Potter, and a slew of others https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      There are some present day examples as well Amy Mainzer, Laura Danley, Danica McKellar, and these are just women I can name off the top of my head, but all doing science of some sort.

      Rather than the standard "Men are pigs" argument, perhaps it would be better to ask these ladies why they got into science, and what did not keep them out of STEM.

      Because at some point, when we keep coming back to the same old same old reasons - maybe the men are pigs argument isn't the cause of all problems. I do know that many women who are successful or have non traditional female careers are set upon by other women like hyenas on a wildabeest. And it's hard to blame that on men.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    8. Re:This documentary is the wrong approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Boys do not need computer science to be normalized. They are quite happy to become social outcast reject to follow their passion.

      If women, or anyone really, need hand-holding to just consider approaching a computer maybe they should do something else.

      Stop pushing women into field they dislike.

    9. Re:This documentary is the wrong approach by MacTO · · Score: 1

      Or simply create documentaries focusing upon more balanced development teams.

      I can definitely see how many people would think that programming is indifferent or hostile to women. Online, those who bellow loudest tend to have sexist attitudes (one way or the other). If you look at documentaries, a lot of them are dominated by men to the point that the inclusion of women frequently appears to be a token gesture. While the groups being featured may be dominated by men, it certainly does not present an impression of inclusion.

    10. Re:This documentary is the wrong approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it's hard to blame that on men

      Is it? Usually when someone points this out - that women do a much better job at keeping smart women down than men do - someone comes along and starts claiming that this is internalized misogyny, instilled in women by the patriarchy. Sounds pretty easy to me.

    11. Re:This documentary is the wrong approach by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      And it's hard to blame that on men

      Is it? Usually when someone points this out - that women do a much better job at keeping smart women down than men do - someone comes along and starts claiming that this is internalized misogyny, instilled in women by the patriarchy. Sounds pretty easy to me.

      Well, of course. But I've found in most matters, the people who have ot tap-dance through reasoning fo excuses, as in "I am never wrong", tend ot be.

      Wrong.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    12. Re:This documentary is the wrong approach by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Is the answer to that problem the sexism showed in this film? It is extraordinarily sexist to imply that women are so weak that they need other people to fight for them.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    13. Re:This documentary is the wrong approach by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I could be wrong, but I do think we have to move the coding women doing the serious stuff on to the stage - that would give off a better impression.

      Unfortunately, this wouldn't fit into the narrative that women are being pushed away from these fields. The narrative is more important than the truth that there already are women in tech, and no one is out pushing women away from tech.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    14. Re:This documentary is the wrong approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "look girly"????

      Take your cisgender microaggresive behavior somewhere else. What does "look girly" mean???? Pig.

  8. buit the biggest question is... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

    feel-good fuel of watching smart, earnest girls talk about creating an app

    did they actually make an app, and was it anything worth making?

  9. hmmm by behrooz0az · · Score: 0

    Good thing we have supergirl now.

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  10. Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honestly there are so many resources and communities out there if you want to learn or get into programming. The door is wide open for all people. Can someone please explain why this is apparently such a struggle for so many libtard SJW folk to understand? Honestly

    1. Re:Seriously? by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      Because, ironically, they function under the assumption that girls and women are so weak-willed and fragile that even the slightest obstacle can forever dissuade them from pursuing their passion. They also have the patronizing assumption that no woman would ever choose to be a programmer unless she's somehow goaded into it.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
  11. SJW porn by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

    It's great that some interested girls got to learn some stuff. It's not so great that some interested boys didn't.

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    SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
  12. I just don't get excited enough any more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seem 'excited' doesn't mean what it used to any more or I've died in side. Could be both.

  13. CodeGirl ?? by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    I think I'll stick with codebabes

    https://www.youtube.com/user/C...

  14. Re:Chum in the water... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've heard that they also attract bears.

  15. I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a woman, I'm upset because this kind of shit is divisive.

    Until all of this "social justice" bullshit really started infecting the Internet, we were all just coders. We weren't "girl coders" or "boy coders" or "shemale coders" or "heshe coders" or "dogkin coders". We were just coders. It didn't matter if you had a penis. It didn't matter if you had a vagina. It didn't matter if you had a penis that had been surgically converted into a vagina. It didn't matter if you had a vagina that had been surgically converted into a penis. After all, genitals have absolutely nothing to do with computer programming. Nothing at all!

    We used to be focused on the code, and only the code. But now thanks to the "social justice" wieners, we've been unnecessarily divided into these artificial groupings based on the flesh between our legs, or our sexual preferences, or our skin color, or some other irrelevant criteria.

    Let me repeat, GENITALS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH COMPUTER PROGRAMMING. NOTHING AT ALL!

    By the way, I'm a woman. Unlike many of the so-called "women" of the "social justice" movement, I was actually born a woman. I want us to return to the days where the focus was on the code, and just the code. Things were much more equitable then!

    1. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Shortguy881 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh, are you so wrong. I use my penis as a third hand, effectively typing faster than any girl could.

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      Brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants.
    2. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you actually measured both typing speed and the time it takes you to fix typos, you would find that it's not worth it, because your penis is a dick.

    3. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by alvinrod · · Score: 0

      Technically anyone who's MtF-trans is born a woman. As researchers study this more, they've come to find that gender and our perception of it is very likely to be determined by the structure of the brain, much like sexual preference, and a large number of other things. Based on that and a lot of anecdotal data from trans individuals, they're born that way and experience gender dysphoria due to their body not matching what their brain perceives it should be.

      I agree that none of that should matter at all, but there's no need to use scare quotes or imply that they're not real men/women.

    4. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      as a third hand

      Let me guess: You use EMACS.

    5. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great job missing the point completely. Those are not "scare quotes". The terms (including "girl coders" and "boy coders", btw.) are put in quotes because the implied distinction is perceived as bogus. Everything in that comment practically screams that it is not about gender, so how on earth do you not get that and reply with nothing but gender-this, gender-that?

    6. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Baby, can you read? Do you see the comments here? Are you really trying to tell us that that shit is not divisive? Do you think we won't see propaganda for what it is if you just sugarcoat it enough?

    7. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Crowd+Computing · · Score: 1

      Animals, or at least mammals, are basically female. That's why it's possible to survive without a Y chromosome. So everybody, even extremely violent criminals with multiple Y chromosomes, has an inner woman.

    8. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by fche · · Score: 2, Informative

      "It's not dividing anyone."

      Oh please. The first blaring announcement in the documentary is a whine about how "fewer large companies are run by women than by men named John".

    9. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "The goal is to show girls writing code and enjoying it, in order to demonstrate to other girls that coding can be enjoyable and rewarding and interesting"

      Way to miss the point. The point is that there is no need to do that. Programming is gender-agnostic, race-agnostic, age-agnostic. A movie that showed boys writing code and enjoying it can also demonstrate to BOTH boys and girls that coding can be enjoyable. Why are you suggesting that girls need to see other girls in order to understand that? That is very sexist and microaggresive behavior.

    10. Re: I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I was actually born a woman.

      You're trolling a bit too hard there.

    11. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by wcrowe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      " It doesn't even touch on issues like sexism..."

      The very first moments of the film open with the statement that there are fewer female CEOs than there are male CEOs named John. The film literally starts with a divisive claim of sexism. The film is an insult to the many female coders I have known in my 30 years of experience.

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      Proverbs 21:19
    12. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The real tragedy is that we are only promoting the really nice jobs to women. Even though no one was ever stopping women from being engineers, politicians, coders, scientists, etc. Plenty of 'not so nice' jobs are male dominated, but no one cares. Where are the female coal miners, oil rig workers, lumberjacks, and commercial fishers?

      More women take higher education, and more women graduate from it. There are also way more scholarships and grants for women. Equality of outcome is bogus. We need equality of opportunity. Right now, women are special so they get more opportunities. Anyone who points this out gets labeled a misogynist.

    13. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More sexist drivel from everyones favourite ad network. With the amount of time you spend defending SJW and defending Google on Slashdot I have to wonder what your full time job is. Lead Cuck at Alphabet?

    14. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rosie the Riveter was a promotional video showing girls how much fun it would be to work in the manufacturing industry. All none of them decided they liked it so much they would continue working the assembly line after.

    15. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not dividing anyone

      It doesn't matter. The entire issue of women in tech has been turned into a third rail issue by US culture warriors.

    16. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      How is a statement of fact sexist? It's not blaming men, it's not saying that women are inadequate, it's just stating a fact that explains the rationale behind the competition that the film is about.

      It says a lot about you that you take any statement which seems to imply that the status quo is not ideal as an attack and divisive. Maybe they are just saying it to explain why the competition exists, rather than trying to force their ideology on you. You don't have to watch it, you know. I mean, they probably expected most people to be watching it because they were interested in the subject of the film...

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    17. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, YOU haven't seen the film. Not a single line of code is written in the entire hundred-something minutes of the film. The closest thing to real world code is when they show a few screens of Scratch - seconds worth of footage revealing only to the few people in the audience who recognize Scratch how little this "documentary" has to do with coding even behind the scenes. Literally the entire rest of the film shows them brainstorming, making schedules, pitching their idea, and other non-coding tasks.

    18. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      experience gender dysphoria due to their body not matching what their brain perceives it should be

      Yes, but the salient point is that absent a birth defect or genetic mutation, the body is not what is broken. The body is fine. The issue is with the brain, and I've never seen any evidence of any "Trans" person having a brain which is physically at odds with the body. The logical conclusion is that the dysphoria is primarily psychological in nature, not physiological. A rational person would conclude that any treatment of such a condition would also be based on psychology, and that mutilating the body in an attempt to appear to be of the other gender is not a healthy course of treatment.

      there's no need to use scare quotes or imply that they're not real men/women

      Those are not scare quotes. Those quotes are used to indicate that the person writing the post does not agree with the contextual definition of the word the parent was using.
      Despite what many in the GLBT movement would like to believe, Gender and Sex are indeed the same thing. Gender Identity is not the same thing as gender, but all of our words which describe gender are based on the biological Sex of an individual.

      Maybe someday medical science will find a way to actually allow a full biological transformation. But there is no such process, and what we have today is at best a piss-poor attempt to mimic the biology of the other sex, and is almost completely cosmetic in nature.
      Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner is not a Woman. He is a man, who has had surgeries and hormone therapy so that his body vaguely resembles that of a female. He chooses to identify himself as a female, and personally I have no problem with that. But I am under no obligation to contribute to his personal delusions just like I was under no requirement to call Prince "The Artist" during his "change name to a symbol" years, and just like I'm under no obligation to treat this guy as if he was really a reptile: http://www.thelizardman.com/

    19. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually that's not true at all. Many women wanted to carry on working after the war, but as men came home and returned to civilian life they took those jobs back again. That's fair enough to some extent, it would be unreasonable to expect them to come home to unemployment after being drafted into the war.

      It's just a shame that the boom years of the 50s couldn't have provided more jobs for women too. American manufacturing was riding high because all the competition in Europe and Asia had been destroyed by war, with the US remaining mostly untouched. In fact massive government investment in manufacturing had given it a huge boost. It wasn't until the 1960s that women really started to make inroads into the workplace again.

      It's true that few of them returned to driving rivets. That's because in the 1950s they had tended to pursue education and had skills, rather than going into work straight out of school. The system screwed a lot of men in that sense, although manufacturing jobs were plentiful and paid well so they probably didn't think so at the time.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    20. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should consider your reaction, it's bordering on permanently offended

      AmiMoJo, you are the epitamy of permanently offended. You spend all damn day seeking out anything related to women on this site and white-knighting the comment section, and frequently invent offense when none existed.

    21. Re: I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm offended by your use of the Jewish word wieners.

    22. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      status quo is not ideal

      Citation needed. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

    23. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ssshhhhh you will bring in the PC bros.

    24. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "not an efficiency gain" and "not worth it" seem like two distinct things to me, when you're typing with interesting body parts.

    25. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Faust6 · · Score: 1

      Few seem to be asking why tech giants are tripping over themselves with promotions and initiatives to encourage more women to code. It's not done out of the goodness in their hearts.

    26. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want us to return to the days where the focus was on the code, and just the code.

      Some people are unable to focus on any one task. It used to be that we called them "ditzy" or "space cadets," but then that transformed into ADD or ADHD. It became a "disorder" rather than a trait. Now these people are SJWs. They are literally incapable of directing their attention to the task at hand, and so they are distracted by all sort of things that are irrelevant.

    27. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the way, I'm a woman

      honest, guv. You opened with this claim, then went on a long rant that was so obviously written by a male troll that you then had to end by repeating it. Your troll seems to be sympathetic enough to the defensive MRA mentality around slashdot that you can get modded up. I would say well played, but it's just fucking depressing.

    28. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by russotto · · Score: 1

      Few seem to be asking why tech giants are tripping over themselves with promotions and initiatives to encourage more women to code. It's not done out of the goodness in their hearts.

      In some cases, it is. Those are the most frightening ones. (Insert C.S. Lewis tyranny quote here)

    29. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a woman, I'm upset because this kind of shit is divisive.

      Until all of this "social justice" bullshit really started infecting the Internet, we were all just coders. We weren't "girl coders" or "boy coders" or "shemale coders" or "heshe coders" or "dogkin coders". We were just coders. It didn't matter if you had a penis. It didn't matter if you had a vagina. It didn't matter if you had a penis that had been surgically converted into a vagina. It didn't matter if you had a vagina that had been surgically converted into a penis. After all, genitals have absolutely nothing to do with computer programming. Nothing at all!

      Yep. But they do now. The company I work for is doing the whole "women in STEM" thing and the end result is catastrophic: where before, you'd just assume anyone hired was incompetent because HR doesn't know WTF they're doing, now you assume they're incompetent because they're a "diversity hire." The women who work there are now all tinged with the taint of "affirmative action hire" regardless of their actual skills. Not that I have any idea how skilled the women hires are because none of them are working on any coding projects anyway! They're all either secretaries or managers. But I guess it counts as far as the media cares, which is all the company really cares anyway.

      By the way, I'm a woman. Unlike many of the so-called "women" of the "social justice" movement, I was actually born a woman. I want us to return to the days where the focus was on the code, and just the code. Things were much more equitable then!

      Ever notice how it's only men pretending to be women? You'll never see the anti-Katelyn Genner, a woman who decided she's "really a man?" It's almost like toxic feminism has so polluted our culture that some men are being conditioned to think that the only way they can be successful is if they pretend to be a woman!

    30. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Faust6 · · Score: 1

      The thinking is that some kind of invisible, perverse social force is coercing girls into thinking programming isn't interesting and boys into thinking it is. I don't think you'd need to go that far.

      After the days of being confined to reserve army jobs and specific gender-roled positions like nurse or secretary, on the onset pretty much everything else was male-dominated. But overwhelmingly women sought out higher-education, with some others instead sticking with typical female-dominated trades, as opposed to construction and the like. All of academia opened up, but the large part b-lined for social sciences in spite of the fact that engineering and hard sciences are just as available and feasible.

      To reiterate, there came a point in the 20th century where women ventured into new territory not typically frequented by women, which meant that the argument that social constructs have dictated their direction as far as higher education goes falls flat - there was no convention until later. There's certainly the basic pull of being surrounded by people of your own gender if you're hyper-feminine or hyper-masculine (this should be uncontroversial but somehow is), but that doesn't explain everything.

      Over time they've come to dominate most professional fields and upper-management, and you'll now see more in most science classes (e.g. Biology, Chemistry) than men. Basically, most of higher-education is female-dominated, which to me is a huge advantage. But still they lag in Engineering and CS. I don't think it's the case that most ought not or couldn't enjoy it, but clearly they've demonstrated some preferences. So you may have to start asking more uncomfortable questions as to why.

    31. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you're actually trying to say is that you spend most of the time behind a computer with your penis in hand.

    32. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Faust6 · · Score: 1

      That in itself seems harmless, they're just throwing money around telling women to code. On the other hand, making policy decisions based on meeting a quota (which we already do based on race) would pose a problem for a good chunk of men who were set on this type of work. In the end they might declare these crusades a victory after modest increase in enrollment but I don't foresee a 50/50 split between men and women in programming/IT in any near future.

    33. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by LaurenCates · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hey, I'm a woman, and I'm feeling the same frustration.

      Please don't trot out the MRA strawman* here. Or shall I go with the vernacular and say that you're mansplaining?

      (*This by the way is why I have problems with gender-based identity politics characterizations: either MRAs are losers that mommy didn't love enough but are powerful enough to be the invisible hand of society that holds women back, or women are strong and capable until they're called "bossy", and then they get crushed back to non-existence.)

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      Some people don't believe in fairies. I don't believe in The Patriarchy.
    34. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Oligonicella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because if it were seen as just a fact by the filmmakers and devoid of sexism, the ratio of male CEOs to female is of no relevance to women in coding and wouldn't even be in the film, much less its opening moments.

      Why not the ratio of males to females in elephant caretakers?

    35. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck that quote and double-fuck the Libertarian retards enamoured with it.

      "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

      Show me so much as one robber baron who believed there was such a thing as having too much money.

    36. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      Oh, the irony of a SJW complaining about other people being permanently offended.

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    37. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "How is a statement of fact sexist?"

      He didn't say it was sexist. He said it was a divisive claim of sexism. Wow, you are really getting destroyed in this thread.

    38. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Coren22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So you may have to start asking more uncomfortable questions as to why.

      Despite what the Social Justice crowd will have you think, we already know the reasons why. Women and Men are not identical! Women prefer socialization on average, Men prefer isolation on average. This leads to women preferring careers with socialization, while men are led to careers with less socialization. STEM careers for the most part are isolated jobs. Programming for the most part is sitting in front of a computer typing away, women are not drawn to this, they for the most part prefer socialization to isolation. BUT, and this is important, why does gender matter at all in any job? Are there tons of women being prevented from working in STEM, no. Just as there aren't tons of men being prevented from entering the nursing field. People choose the jobs that they want to do, trying to force people into jobs they don't want will never make them happy.

      Focusing on people's sex is sexism, therefore the whole social justice movement is sexist at its heart. Normal people don't focus so strongly on other people's sex, companies hire the best person for a job, why would they not hire a woman if she fit the job? Companies aren't out to discriminate against anyone, they are out to find the best person for the job, not handicap themselves by focusing on only certain types of people.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    39. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by tlhIngan · · Score: 0

      Way to miss the point. The point is that there is no need to do that. Programming is gender-agnostic, race-agnostic, age-agnostic. A movie that showed boys writing code and enjoying it can also demonstrate to BOTH boys and girls that coding can be enjoyable. Why are you suggesting that girls need to see other girls in order to understand that? That is very sexist and microaggresive behavior.

      Because somewhere along the lines of "growing up", girls somehow get discouraged from doing these things. And not discouraged as in "this is hard stuff", but discouraged along the lines of "boys do this. girls don't". You know, like how boys are blue, girls are pink. Or boys play with action figures of soldiers and astronauts and whatnot, while girls play with barbies and miniature houses. (And how girls who want to play with action figures and all that get discouraged by calling them "tomboys").

      That's the real reason. Girls ARE actively discouraged from pursuing careers in science and technology as they're more "masculine" occupations and steered towards more "feminine" occupations like teacher and nurse.

      End result is the few people who cross the line only really do it because of dogged determination and rebellion against society and more importantly, their parents. (This applies to both men and women who decide to break the traditional gender roles - male teachers, male nurses apply as well).

      And I don't think there's any culture that's not guilty of this in some way - China's one-child policy caused a huge imbalance of males to females - families preferred males because they are perceived to be the breadwinners and to "carry one's honor" and all that, while women worked at home and were "basically worthless" (which also led to a lot of selective sex abortions and disownership). Even now some cultures find it deeply offensive if a woman talks back or is superior to men or commands men.

      It's not ability, it's society.

      Here's a letter from an enlightened (male) engineering student who sums it up nicely - http://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/a...

      Equal in ability, yes. But opportunity? Nope.

    40. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by s.petry · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But still they lag in Engineering and CS. I don't think it's the case that most ought not or couldn't enjoy it, but clearly they've demonstrated some preferences. So you may have to start asking more uncomfortable questions as to why.

      What complete horse shit. There are no barriers to entry in any job field for women. In fact today we have women getting jobs because of the qualifier "woman".

      For 40 years women have been receiving preferential treatment in Education. Women receive more funding, more scholarships, and have been receiving far more degrees than men because of Gender, yet people continue to bleat how "men are biased" because that's what people tell them. It is really not that hard to check facts. As a single and simple example here is a list of available scholarships. "Men" doing anything becomes "patriarchy" and evil so we can't.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    41. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Sperbels · · Score: 4, Funny

      I use my penis as a third hand

      Londo Mollari? Is that you?

    42. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your privilege brah? Check it.

    43. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      You're full of shit.

      http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/...

      The number was higher in 1950 than in 1940 and higher again in 1960. It has grown steadily for a hundred years.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    44. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      Yes, but the salient point is that absent a birth defect or genetic mutation, the body is not what is broken. The body is fine. The issue is with the brain, and I've never seen any evidence of any "Trans" person having a brain which is physically at odds with the body. The logical conclusion is that the dysphoria is primarily psychological in nature, not physiological. A rational person would conclude that any treatment of such a condition would also be based on psychology, and that mutilating the body in an attempt to appear to be of the other gender is not a healthy course of treatment.

      Women's brains and men's brains are not the same.

      The fact that you dismiss evidence of this and then talk about gender reassignment surgery as "mutilation" strongly suggests you are transphobic, and merely trying to dress it up to sound rational.

      Despite what many in the GLBT movement would like to believe, Gender and Sex are indeed the same thing.

      From the Oxford English Dictionary:

      Definition of gender in English:
      noun

      1The state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones):

      But there is no such process, and what we have today is at best a piss-poor attempt to mimic the biology of the other sex, and is almost completely cosmetic in nature.

      Untrue, and also missing the point. Transgender people have working organs of their identified gender. In any case "cosmetics" such as having a masculine/feminine sounding voice, hair (men go bald) and other features that let one appear like and pass as a member of their identified gender are very important to transgender people.

      But I am under no obligation to contribute to his personal delusions

      There are certain legal obligations, but yeah, sure, you can carry on being transphobic if you like. Just don't expect others not to react to your bigotry.

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      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    45. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      By the way, I'm a woman. Unlike many of the so-called "women" of the "social justice" movement, I was actually born a woman.

      Calling someone a so-called woman is kind of insulting, don't you think? Not all of us are crazy SJWs who think that political correctness is our God. See my post here as one example. I've seen life from both sides of the fence, and yes, there are things that need to be changed. However, cooperation, discussion, compromise, and leading by example are a better method than SJWs, who seem to be preoccupied with scoring points on how many misanthropic positions they can stir up the muck around, how much PC they can force down the throats of BOTH sexes, and how much fame and fortune they can milk it for.

      Compounding the problem is how some M2F transsexuals take on the whole agenda as a way of ensuring that others wouldn't dare question that they're women for fear of being attacked for being unPC, showing their inner uncertainty. Same as the ones who over-exaggerate, and end up looking like drag queens on parade, amplifying every single gesture and movement until they become caricatures of femininity. Come on, lose the scarecrow eye shadow, the million rings, the layers of make-up, and the 6" stilettos - it's not appropriate anywhere except a drag contest, and certainly not while doing the groceries.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    46. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But how do you avoid fat-fingering the keyboard? Ohhh.... never mind.

    47. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you just start with a complaint and then gradually remove the basis for it? You yourself seem to have some problems accepting M2F transsexuals and SJWs as actual women when they turn their gender into an act.

    48. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, but the salient point is that absent a birth defect or genetic mutation, the body is not what is broken. The body is fine. The issue is with the brain, and I've never seen any evidence of any "Trans" person having a brain which is physically at odds with the body.

      If you haven't seen evidence, maybe you haven't looked too hard, or have been looking in the wrong places (confirmation bias)? As just one example of how genes and the uterine environment combine to contribute to being transsexual, please consider this: 90% of the population are right-handed, but the majority of transsexuals are lefties. This is relatively old news for anyone who bothered to look, but it agrees with studies that show a difference in the ratio of the lengths of the 2nd and 4th finger (2d-4d ratio) where M2F women have ratios similar to genetic women instead of genetic men, and that one structure of the brain more closely resembles that of our target, rather than birth, sex. Both of those are caused by genes expressing themselves differently, and the 2d/4d ratio is genes expressing themselves under hormonal effects in the uterine environment. So, I hope you can see why we say we're "born that way, and with all the problems it brings, it's certainly not a choice unless you are extremely masochistic.

      Given that it has its basis on genes and epigenetics, why not consider the surgeries as corrective, not mutilation?

      So, not a delusion, not a psychological disease, but a variant of human biology. And as time goes on, the evidence continues to accumulate that this has been the case for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    49. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      "It's not dividing anyone."

      Oh please. The first blaring announcement in the documentary is a whine about how "fewer large companies are run by women than by men named John".

      But of course that is true - very few women are named John :-)

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    50. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      Why not the ratio of males to females in elephant caretakers?

      Because most women will avoid that sort of job. Oops, made a hateful sexist statement because I imply that women are discouraged from that job.

      Let me recalibrate: Most women are smart enough to avoid that sort if job. Still obviously a sexist statement, but one that SJWs would approve of.

      The hypocrisy of SJWs escapes them - but then again, it's about ego, not common sense.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    51. Re: I'm upset because it's divisive. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      s/weiner/putz/g;

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    52. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      It's sad that Slashdot has been taken over by mod-bombing asshats. My post was at +5 for a while, then it got mod-bombed down to 0. It's clearly not without merit, others replied to it... It's just the MRA block voting again.

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      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    53. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

      I fully agree with you, but that is the essential point: it is always about divide and conquer, and certainly Google has just as much validity, or lack of credibility, as Jerry Yang when he gave up a pro-democracy activist to the Chinese government (doubt we'll ever hear from that poor fellow again)!

      Every so often the Pew Research Center, funded by the oil companies and banks, comes out with a designed-to-be-divisive study, they are the ones who, a few years back, came out with the so-called study claiming the American news was "liberal" (Good Grief!!!!!!!).

      Yup, it is always about divide and conquer, and since Google's funding originally came from the American intel establishment, I would assume they also would follow the official pattern.

    54. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      No - everything I wrote is factual. It is a mistake to think that transsexual and transgender are the same thing. Cross-dressing, etc., are sexual fetishes, and have nothing to do with transsexuals. It's also a fact that some m2f transsexuals have a hyper-stereotyped image of what a woman should look like and how she should behave. They try to conform to this exaggerated "ideal" rather than just being themselves, so in effect they ARE acting out a role. This is decidedly unhealthy, because they've given up acting in one roll (male) for acting in another role (female). Then they are not accepted by those around them who sense it's somehow an act. They even go to the extent of wiping out all their past experience as their birth sex. It becomes unmentionable, taboo. Something they don't want to deal with. Somehow, to admit to it makes them feel less genuine. You'll never see them say "When I was a guy ..." or "I've seen it from both sides of the gender divide and .." Ask any shrink and they'll tell you erasure of your past is unhealthy.

      BTW: Transvestites turn gender into an act that ends when they change clothes. Transsexuals walk the walk, 24/7. Big difference. Those who feel the need to put on an "act" are usually rabid SJWs.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    55. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Faust6 · · Score: 1

      I think you've misunderstood me because none of what I said contradicts you.

    56. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by s.petry · · Score: 0

      I quoted you directly. If you misspoke then re-write the paragraph with what you intended originally and I will be happy to re-evaluate. As written, you are repeating propaganda in a sneaky way (possibly unintentionally)

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    57. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      demands a selfless focus on the subject (the code, the game, the proof), which is pretty hard to achieve when you think bearing children is the ultimate meaning of life.

      Try this on for size:

      demands a selfless focus on the subject (the code, the game, the proof), which is pretty hard to achieve when you think having sex is the ultimate meaning of life.

      men are willing to have sex with just about anything that crosses their path, which I guess explains the two guys that had sex with a porcupine

      Claiming women can't bring sufficient concentration to a problem because of their interest in child-bearing is as lame as claiming men can't because of sex.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    58. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...when they turn their gender into an act.

      If it's an act, then it's not real, is it? What a sad, fraudulent, and pathetic life that is.

    59. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that you think your detractors are MRA speaks volumes of your worldview. Your technical posts are usually very insightful.

    60. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your SJW idiocy? Dump it.

    61. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by fche · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying it's untrue, only that it's "divisive".

    62. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Faust6 · · Score: 1

      Ha. The fact that there are no barriers to entry is exactly what I'm calling attention to - it's what makes it interesting that women aren't enrolling in CS and Eng. I left it open-ended as to the reasons. I can buy that gender differences are in play, but that's all anecdotal and tends to backfire as an argument. It would be interesting to see a study tracing work preferences to genetics or brain chemistry.

    63. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a woman, I'm upset because this kind of shit is divisive.

      You're right to be upset. As a man, I now have to be cautious about socialising with you, because I don't know if you're one of these social-justice assholes who might report me for speechcrime. And aside from being less fun for both of us - because socialising is fun - that's also bad for your career, because a majority of the people in your field are going to be reluctant to spend time with you at the pub, swapping tips, making connections, and all those other work-peripheral things that are so important to a career.

      Which is probably what these people want. After all, the less women succeeding in tech, the more press and influence for the people protesting it.

      As to how to fix this ... I don't know. For my part, I'm going to be disinclined to let my career take me to the U.S., where this bullshit seems to originate. If you're there, join us in the rest of the world?

    64. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Rhapsody+Scarlet · · Score: 1

      either MRAs are losers that mommy didn't love enough but are powerful enough to be the invisible hand of society that holds women back

      Who the hell ever said that? I don't think I've ever seen anyone portray those basement-dwellers are 'the invisible hand of society', that title goes to people with actual power. No the MRAs are losers but as it turns out doxing and death threats aren't the sort of thing that requires social power or even serious numbers, just a handful of determined losers can do a lot of damage to people if they band together, which the internet makes trivial.

      or women are strong and capable until they're called "bossy", and then they get crushed back to non-existence

      Strong and capable woman works at a corporation, and does a damn good job too. But her boss doesn't get on with her, sees her strength and capability as 'bossiness', and so passes her over for promotion time and and again. End of story. While we don't like thinking of life that way, ability often only gets you so far. If your boss decides you're not going any further, you're not going any further. You could protest of course, but then you have a reputation for being a bossy loudmouth already...

      I actually saw a social experiment about racism a while back where blue-eyed people were arbitrarily chooses as the 'underclass' and all sorts of traits were made about them such as that they got angry easily, and weren't very intelligent. It's amazing how quickly protests against the propaganda was turned against them. "See how angry they are? They don't even understand!" It's an incredibly effective and versatile way of justifying discrimination. It's also amazing how well it still works, despite everyone thinking it doesn't any more. A lot of social progress up to this point has just been spot fixes, we haven't grown out of anything.

    65. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

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    66. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Women's brains and men's brains are not the same.

      So that's an accepted fact for men pretending they're women, but not as a reason why women aren't interested in STEM careers. Weird how that works.

      Untrue, and also missing the point. Transgender people have working organs of their identified gender. In any case "cosmetics" such as having a masculine/feminine sounding voice, hair (men go bald) and other features that let one appear like and pass as a member of their identified gender are very important to transgender people.

      Huh? To be "transgender" you need to be a man who "believes" he's a woman. That's what "transgenderism" is.

      For your first point to make sense, then it would follow that there should be women who "believe they're really a man." Except ... there aren't. Go ahead, find a Caitlyn that wants to be a Bruce. Find a bill that would allow women to use the men's bathroom.

      You can't, because it isn't a thing that exists. "Transgenderism" is a thing that only came about when feminists started pushing their whole "the penis is evil" thing. Some weaker men come to the conclusion that, since they're not evil, they must "really be a woman." That's the end of it.

      (Besides, the same hormones that determine someone's brain chemistry are the same ones that determine sexual characteristics. The whole "woman's brain in man's body" concept makes no sense if you understand how the body develops.)

    67. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From those of us who just want to sit down and work without distraction or worry about whatever gender of person we might be working with, thank you.

      I really don't want any of the BS. I'm happy to accept women and work with them. I don't want to make them uncomfortable. But I see these excitable people rampaging over insults I don't even understand (what on earth is a "microaggression"?) and worry about offending them due to not knowing what they're going on about and worry about becoming the next target of their jihad.

    68. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Transgender people have working organs of their identified gender.

      Males don't have ovaries even if they cut off their dick.
      Females don't produce sperm even if they glue a dildo between their legs.
      Dragonkin of neither sex can fly or breath fire.

    69. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by thoromyr · · Score: 2

      You took the quote out of context. As you have demonstrated substantial ability in reading and writing I suspect that you simply keyed in on some particular phrasing and skimmed/did not really read the rest. In other words, it got under your skin. Relax. While you may or may not agree with each other, you are arguing with a point that wasn't being made.

    70. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by LaurenCates · · Score: 2

      Regarding your contention of MRAs: So, what you're saying is that those sexists that are holding women back in careers, that are enforcing the wage gap and are keeping women out of tech and C-suites, and squashing them at the sprout level by calling them "bossy", are you saying they haven't got that so-called "MRA mindset"?

      Because to have it explained by anyone who shouts "MRA!" at even the vaguest criticism of women/women's initiatives, it seems as if both the sexists at the top and the neckbeards at the bottom don't like it when the wimminz get their hands on the boys' toys and would very much like to shove them back into the kitchen by any means necessary.

      If someone is going to whinge on about MRA-type thinking and ignore the fact that the assertion of sexism in the workplace is driven by the same mentality (at least according to feminist theory), your line of thinking is either willfully ignorant or disingenuous.

      Regarding your second claim: yes, that happens, but keep in mind that a campaign was started last year by very famous (and, ironically, very successful) women to ban the word "bossy" because it is apparently (as the campaign itself said) a "squasher". Emma Watson also in her initial He for She speech to the UN made it clear that women (herself included) were plagued by such things. Another recent incident involved Anita Sarkeesian going to the UN Women group and said that people telling her "You Suck" online is a campaign of "cyber violence", specifically against women.

      Hell, more than one poster here on Slashdot has jumped to my defense if an AC decides to post "tits or gtfo" at me, claiming Slashdot isn't "safe for women".

      Like fuck it isn't. And anyone who claims otherwise has never been the victim of real, true violence.

      So, are you going to assert that there isn't at least an idea being passed around that women get hurt by words and therefore we shouldn't use them? (My belief is that it's one of those things a governing body is more than happy to expound upon as a means to ending privacy online..."end anonymity for the sake of women!")

      Point I was making is that these strawmen characterizations are often passed around, even here on Slashdot, to the point where people seem to not even mind so much that they make little sense, they're often contradictory, but yet we're more than happy to tar and feather people with them instead of judging individuals as individuals.

      Thus my continual annoyance when people use "MRA" as an insult.

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    71. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Shortguy881 · · Score: 1

      Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. Its pretty set science that genetically XX makes you a woman and XY makes you a man. You can have all sorts of confusion in your head about gender, but that's a psychological issue, not a physical issue.

      "As researchers study this more, they've come to find that gender and our perception of it is very likely to be determined by the structure of the brain, much like sexual preference, and a large number of other things." No matter how hard you think it, cutting off your penis and shoving it up in side you does not alter your genome from XY to XX.

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    72. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      No. If there's a Y chromosome in there, the sex is male. It could be they have a disorder with a biological basis, but the sex is still male. Those 'researchers' are likely political activists first, scientists second. They're the first cause for the 'gender' self assignment craze.

    73. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      It's the new Slashdot. All of us -- on both sides -- are unpaid cast-members in Dice's reality show. They post an article that starts a flame war, and they sit back and collect the ad revenue.

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    74. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner is not a Woman. He is a man,

      Clearly, video games have turned you into a monster.

    75. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Transphobic"

      Really? Seriously? That's a word now? Is he afraid of men/women?

      People who have plastic surgery to get a vagina, are no more women than people who get fins will become dolphins.
      The might have all the conviction in their mind that they are, but sadly, that doesn't make them so.

      Great little clip to illustrate the point:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJH5AR0CuRI

    76. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      They hired a transexual, Laverne Cox, to play the transvestite in a remake of Rocky Horror.

      I presume she will wear leiderhosen?

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    77. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by s.petry · · Score: 0

      You can't be that bad at English, but I'll bite one more time.

      Over time they've come to dominate most professional fields and upper-management, and you'll now see more in most science classes (e.g. Biology, Chemistry) than men. Basically, most of higher-education is female-dominated, which to me is a huge advantage. But still they lag in Engineering and CS. I don't think it's the case that most ought not or couldn't enjoy it, but clearly they've demonstrated some preferences. So you may have to start asking more uncomfortable questions as to why.

      Women have come to dominate most fields and upper management, and most of higher education. But they lag in Engineering and CS. (Your words). Which even if true I don't think it's the case that most ought not or couldn't enjoy it, but clearly they've demonstrated some preferences. just claimed that the reason they lag is due to some magical preference keeping women out.

      You closed that with So you may have to start asking more uncomfortable questions as to why." which means there is a problem, and of course the answer will be uncomfortable to people, which negates any attempt you could have of falsely claiming "I meant the woman's preferences, not the institutions".

      I left it open-ended as to the reasons. I can buy that gender differences are in play, but that's all anecdotal and tends to backfire as an argument. It would be interesting to see a study tracing work preferences to genetics or brain chemistry.

      In this paragraph you attempt to "blame" other external reasons for your allegation that there is some magical "cause" and external reason that women are not in a particular field. This reinforces your statements above and is simply a slick coating of paint over the normal propaganda crap. It still stinks!

      If you refuse to own up to your own text and the opinion which you have repeatedly demonstrated, you are simply a troll.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    78. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For your first point to make sense, then it would follow that there should be women who "believe they're really a man." Except ... there aren't.

      I've met two in person. Do I really need to link you to the A Voice for Men article written by one?

      "Transgenderism" is a thing that only came about when feminists started pushing their whole "the penis is evil" thing.

      Way to demonstrate your complete lack of knowledge of a.) the human brain, b.) trans folks, and c.) feminism.

      Feminism has been transphobic since gender transition was a thing. They consider trans men (the ones who you believe don't exist) traitors and consider trans women invaders.

    79. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Rhapsody+Scarlet · · Score: 1

      Regarding your contention of MRAs: So, what you're saying is that those sexists that are holding women back in careers, that are enforcing the wage gap and are keeping women out of tech and C-suites, and squashing them at the sprout level by calling them "bossy", are you saying they haven't got that so-called "MRA mindset"?

      Well the term 'MRA' is quite ill-defined and I guess people have different definitions, but by mine I would say no. The MRA mindset is quite a specific one, there are many other types of sexism out there and I don't lump all of them together as MRAs.

      Because to have it explained by anyone who shouts "MRA!" at even the vaguest criticism of women/women's initiatives, it seems as if both the sexists at the top and the neckbeards at the bottom don't like it when the wimminz get their hands on the boys' toys and would very much like to shove them back into the kitchen by any means necessary.

      Well there are some pretty nasty misogynists at the top of the management ladder but as I said I consider that different to the ranting MRAs you see on the internet. The MRAs can be absolutely terrifying to those they target but have little power on society at large, the more influential misogynists that can be considered respectable do far more damage.

      If someone is going to whinge on about MRA-type thinking and ignore the fact that the assertion of sexism in the workplace is driven by the same mentality (at least according to feminist theory), your line of thinking is either willfully ignorant or disingenuous.

      There are commonalities, but as I said I don't consider them the same. You seemed to assume I would two paragraphs ago and have predicated the rest of your argument on that. My argument was essentially that society is a very complicated and sometimes counter-intuitive thing that resists attempts to simplify it. You want me to throw all sexism and misogyny into the 'MRA' box because that would be easy, but I'm not going to do that. The MRA mindset is a recent innovation that arose because of the internet allowing for the type of organization and echo-chambering that was necessary for it. But it's only a small part of a much larger problem and while some people overly fixate on the MRA part of that problem I'm not one of them. Go find one of those people if you want to shout at them.

      Regarding your second claim: yes, that happens, but keep in mind that a campaign was started last year by very famous (and, ironically, very successful) women to ban the word "bossy" because it is apparently (as the campaign itself said) a "squasher". Emma Watson also in her initial He for She speech to the UN made it clear that women (herself included) were plagued by such things. Another recent incident involved Anita Sarkeesian going to the UN Women group and said that people telling her "You Suck" online is a campaign of "cyber violence", specifically against women.

      Well I did talk about doxing and outright threats of violence earlier, I think we can agree that those are distinct from just calling women 'bossy'.

      Hell, more than one poster here on Slashdot has jumped to my defense if an AC decides to post "tits or gtfo" at me, claiming Slashdot isn't "safe for women".

      Well given what I've seen in this comment thread, they do seem to have something of a point. There's been a lot of talk about getting rid of traditional site-based comment threads recently and I have been a staunch opponent of such efforts. Looking at Slashdot today though, I ended up wondering what I'm trying to save.

      Like fuck it isn't. And anyone who claims otherwise has never been the victim of real, true violence.

      That's a fantastic red herring.

      So, are you going to assert that there isn't at least an idea being passed around that women get hurt by words and t

    80. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the GP was making a point about women doing manufacturing jobs.

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      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    81. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, I know, all us evil misogynerds who are sexually harassing you constantly by daring to point out when your request has contradictory information. We just keep making everything too technical for you, and it's our fault the computer isn't running your code correctly.

      One time I watched a woman programmer run out of her job, it was the fault of her gaslighting, twofaced, abusive, pinheaded, manipulative manager. Guess who she went to when he started sexually harassing her? Me, the supposed misogynerd who doesn't want women to be programmers. Guess what I did. I reported it fast and in a hurry.

      The other time I watched a woman programmer run out of her job, it the fault some dickhead on the board of directors. Both me and a gamer told her to bring a lawsuit, so she did.

      But nope, we're all misogynerds who are afraid of you strong and capable women and have just designed programming languages to be sexist tools of the patriarchy. Blame those evil misogynerds for the actions of management!

    82. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      You voted yourself up with your sock puppets, then more people than you have sock puppets modded you down. Deal with it. The system is designed to prevent you from gaming it. Its not unfair. You are just stupid.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    83. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the gripping hand that could be quite handy.

    84. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've met two in person. Do I really need to link you to the A Voice for Men article written by one?

      Uh huh, sure you have. But you still can't be bothered to provide any names. Go ahead, show me the inverse of Caitlyn Jenner.

      Feminism has been transphobic since gender transition was a thing. They consider trans men (the ones who you believe don't exist) traitors and consider trans women invaders.

      Transphobic is a bullshit term. Men who want to pretend they're women don't scare me. I don't care, they can do whatever the hell they want. They just can't expect me or society to "treat them like a woman." Sorry, buddy, you and your penis get to stay in the men's room and you two can't get free drinks on Lady's Night either.

      Likewise, feminists are right to consider such men invaders, because that's what they are. They're men who see feminism giving women "special privileges" and they want that for themselves. Now if feminism were about equality, it wouldn't matter, but it isn't, it's about placing women above men. So it should be no surprise to feminists that some men would decide to "join their team" rather than be a second-class citizen.

    85. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      You know, like how boys are blue, girls are pink.

      Is it men, or women, that are perpetuating this?

      Or boys play with action figures of soldiers and astronauts and whatnot, while girls play with barbies and miniature houses.

      This has of course been studied more than once on children before they could have been coerced by social stereotypes. You do know what the results of these studies were, right?

      Girls ARE actively discouraged from pursuing careers in science and technology as they're more "masculine" occupations and steered towards more "feminine" occupations like teacher and nurse.

      Who is doing the "active" discouraging?

      I have an idea. You raise your kids, and I'll raise mine. If you fuck your kids up thats your business. If I fuck my kids up thats my business. If you ever try to tell me how to raise my kids I'll tell you to STFU, and if you ever try to force it through government coercion (violence) then I'll fucking kill you. If your kids try the same I'll kill them too. You do not get to fuck up my kids. Period.

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      "His name was James Damore."
    86. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      STEM careers for the most part are isolated jobs.

      What complete twaddle. Most research and engineering projects are collaborative efforts ranging in size from a few people to may thousands. Lone hacker style jobs are few and far between.

    87. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been programming professionally for almost 20 years now and I agree with everything you say, except when I say it I'm a MRA myso-something radialtire-kin ultraracist alien shapeshifter.

      And I predict in five years what I just wrote will seem normal.

    88. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There's possible mixups, and there are women who were born female with Y chromosomes.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    89. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      To give an example, BarbaraHudson's genes, gender identity, and body form are not really any of my business. However, she wants to be treated as a woman, and be referred to by a typically female name, and it just seems like common courtesy to address her that way. Her social identity is partly my business, and I'm fine with whatever she's fine with.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    90. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      then it would follow that there should be women who "believe they're really a man." Except ... there aren't. Go ahead, find a Caitlyn that wants to be a Bruce.

      They're called FTM's or transmen. Been around for years, however since our society seems to be obsessed with the MTF side, you don't hear much about them:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Find a bill that would allow women to use the men's bathroom.

      http://lexiecannes.com/2015/11...

      http://www.upworthy.com/heres-...

      "Transgenderism" is a thing that only came about when feminists started pushing their whole "the penis is evil" thing.

      Actually the first scholarly book about it, was written in what was it, 1910?

      Lili Elbe transitioned in 1930 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      And Christine Jorgensen did so in 1951, long before any so-called "penis is evil" thing you claim exists:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    91. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      #define sex
      #define gender

      Those 'researchers' are likely political activists first, scientists second. They're the first cause for the 'gender' self assignment craze.

      There is no craze that supposed researchers started. The researchers are researching an already existing group. There have been transgendered people for a a LONG time in cultures all across the planet.

    92. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      We know some of the reasons. We don't know all the reasons. Currently, there are fewer women in computer fields than there were, and so there are cultural influences.

      In this case, we don't know whether the cultural influences increased the number of interested women earlier or decrease it now, and it's worth finding out.

      The fact that there is a certain ratio right now doesn't make it the right ratio. If women are interested in CSci somewhat less than men are, and face social pressure, we'd see the same result if there were no social pressures and women were interested a lot less. I suspect that women are being kept out of the field through social pressures of whatever sort, to some extent, and would like that to stop, which it won't.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    93. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Is it men, or women, that are perpetuating this?

      Both, because it's society as a whole.

      If I fuck my kids up thats my business.

      No it's not just your business, we don't live in vacuums. No man is an island If YOU fuck up YOUR kids, who then go on to fuck things up for OTHERS, that's OUR business.

      and if you ever try to force it through government coercion (violence) then I'll fucking kill you.

      Wait...government is violence? And then you respond with such a violent tone?

      If your kids try the same I'll kill them too. You do not get to fuck up my kids. Period.

      You do NOT get to be a self absorbed asshole who fucks things up for everyone else. We are a SOCIETY. Maybe you're one those aspie libertarians who doesn't understand things like Society or emotions in general, but that's no excuse. We are all in this together. No man is an island.

    94. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      http://www.bls.gov/spotlight/2...

      Stats only valid until 2010. A surprising number of women work in manufacturing jobs - and continued to do so even after WWII. They comprised a goodly portion of the textiles, clothing, and even footwear factory employees. The idea that all the women gave up their jobs is a myth. One of the reasons America was so prosperous is that there were jobs aplenty for both genders. Albeit, if you were black you were kind of out of luck when the soldiers came home. A whole shitton of women stayed working. Some left to start families and then returned the work force. Reality wasn't really like the television shows - Ms. Ball was actually employed even though it was certainly not something I'd call a manufacturing position. However, they've remained in factories since the dawn of the industrial revolution. Women and kids comprised a huge portion of the labor force in factories.

      I'm not sure where the myth comes from that they all abandoned their jobs. They didn't even abandon them in droves. Add to that, it took years for the boys to come home, many being too disabled to work in factories, and the growth of the economy taking effect... Hell, my mother was employed. I don't really know that many women that abandoned the workforce entirely and many kept right on working in factories.

      One area where they did lose ground was in larger build projects such as shipyards and weapons manufacturing. They remained in the aircraft industry but in lesser numbers as I recall. There are multiple documentaries on the subject if one is interested in learning something more than this strange myth. I honestly don't know where it comes from. That's not to say that there wasn't a drop in the participation in the labor force, just that it wasn't very drastic at all and most of them moved to other jobs instead of those necessary for war production. Those jobs are also inherently riskier and more difficult, physically. I can't blame them for going elsewhere. I don't think they were forced out (but this is conjecture) so much as they opted to go elsewhere because of ease, availability, and priorities.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    95. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Of course it was higher, population has grown. But what was stated was that women were forced out of manufacturing jobs (and other male oriented positions) when the war ended. Which is quite true. Women were directly told that they had to give up their jobs being welders or whatever to returning GI's and those that wanted to work were pushed into more traditionally female jobs.

      IIRC Grace Hopper herself stated that during the war there were opportunities for women to do things that they hadn't been allowed to do before.

      A good fictional example is the TV series Homefront, which has a young woman forced out of her assembly job into the secretarial pool.

      There's even mention of it in "A League of their Own"

    96. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The notion that gender and sex are the same came about by a psychologist who wanted to force his point. So he took a pair of twins, and forced one of them to believe he was a girl. This ended in him forcing the twins to have sex with each other. A completely ethical story and not based on abusing two minors for personal gain/fame.

      Do with this what you will. Mod up for truthful at the very least.

    97. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go ahead, show me the inverse of Caitlyn Jenner.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Next question?

    98. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll go you one better:

      I think Barbara Hudson is an obnoxious, overbearing blight on Slashdot, and whenever I read her posts, I roll my eyes and go, "oh good, it's her." I really, really dislike her social identity.

      But if she wants to express her identity as female, then that's fine with me.

    99. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it seems as if both the sexists at the top and the neckbeards at the bottom don't like it when the wimminz get their hands on the boys' toys and would very much like to shove them back into the kitchen by any means necessary.

      Yep, blame the misogynerds! We totally determine how much you make and if/when you get a raise. We totally determine who gets through the HR sieve. We're totally responsible when a sexist woman manager pays her female employees less than her male employees. It's all the fault of us evil sexually frustrated misogynerd hetcis males.

      None of us could possibly not be dating women because we're homosexual. None of us could possibly be working towards gender transition. None of us could have possibly detransitioned out of economic necessity. Nope, we're all just one big rapey sexual harasser cishet misogynerd hive mind.

      One thing I have learned from bitter experience is never mentor a woman in programming. I may have to in my current job, but I will be leaving tech for good when I pay back all the stupid debt I got myself into because I had a steady job. About once every other year, a woman with no technical background whatsoever would come up to me and say, "I wanna be a programmer!"

      If I fail, then I get called sexist to my face by our feminist employees and get a lecture on Ada Lovelace and how I've personally made everything too technical because I'm afraid of a woman succeeding at programming. If I succeed, things go well for a month or so, and then some asshole dickhead gaslighting manager chases her out of her job, and I get blamed and shamed over "my" sexism once more. :(

      When I was little most of my friends were girls. I tried to share with them what I knew even then about programming because I thought it was fun to make computers do stuff. Back then it was much easier since the thing turned on and immediately dropped you in a BASIC interpreter, just to give you an idea of my age. I have been trying to interest girls and women in programming for most of my life. I still think it's fun and a nice hobby, at least I used to. All I've gotten for my efforts is held accountable for the actions of asshole managers by people like you who cannot see anybody assigned the male gender at birth, regardless of body parts, regardless of my appearance, as an individual.

      Nope, I'm just yet another misogynerd making things too technical and doing "asshole" things like helping you understand why your program isn't compiling or why the change you made didn't work as expected. I can't win. My actions don't matter. My beliefs don't matter. I'm just a rapist who hasn't been caught in the act yet, either that or an invader who wants to rape you in the bathroom if you gender me female because of my appearance then later find out I was assigned the male gender. Then when you find out I'm a software developer who, even worse, doesn't date women (sorry, I'm attracted to men, and many men also find me attractive and are surprised that I am not legally female), then it's the whole guilt trip about being a sexist who's afraid of "strong women" like you and how I'm part of some grand conspiracy to keep you out of a programming job Ada Lovelace (no love for Rear Admiral Hopper?) bla bla bla.

      I do not want to be in a career when my gender assigned at birth is how I am judged by over half the planet's population and my skills and talents don't matter. :(

      I will be transitioning when I'm back in a financial position where I can survive off minimum wage. I would rather flip burgers and get along with my female co-workers than be a rapey misogynerd who has to be constantly reminded not to sexually harass otherwise I'll start slapping women on the ass. Not that it matters I guess. See AC's comment up there. I will never be a "real" woman to you womyn-born-womyn, and I will never count as a "woman programmer" to you. I don't care. I don't give a flying fuck. Strangers see that I'm a woman just fi

    100. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      You know it's a PERCENTAGE at the link, right? Sorry that your narrative and a fictional movie doesn't reflect reality but do try to be honest, here. There have been, and still are, loads of women in manufacturing since the days of the industrial revolution where the jobs were filled by women and children. Again, you are parroting a myth. There are the numbers to prove it. There's a second link in my second reply. Both are actual numbers from the US.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    101. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its pretty set science that genetically XX makes you a woman and XY makes you a man.

      Turns out, you're wrong.

      It's possible to have XX chromosomes and still present as male, and it's possible to have XY chromosomes, and still present as female. Multiple other forms of gonadal dysgenesis can occur with all kinds of combinations of X and Y chromosomes (or lack thereof).

      Imagine that.

    102. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Blue23 · · Score: 1

      Oh, are you so wrong. I use my penis as a third hand

      Let me guess, your condoms fit like a glove.

      --
      LITTLE GIRL: But which cookie will you eat FIRST? C. MONSTER: Me think you have misconception of cookie-eating process.
    103. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The top rated comments right now on this thread are talking about how SJWs are the 'real sexists', transwomen are just men in drag, and how women aren't in STEM because women are just different from men!

      I always wonder if people who spout that off realize how self-contradictory they're being. Men and women are different. Gender is determined by socialization. Well, which is it?

      One little thing. You might laugh at people who use the term SJW (personally I don't like it but I can't seem to find anything that can more accurately portray what it's come to mean). You will stop laughing when you are called sexist to your face because of the actions of others or because of something completely out of control. It stops being something you can be condescending about when you are being blamed for being part of a vast conspiracy of misogynerds who are preventing women from learning how to program.

    104. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me repeat, GENITALS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH COMPUTER PROGRAMMING. NOTHING AT ALL!

      By the way, I'm a woman. Unlike many of the so-called "women" of the "social justice" movement

      You say genitals have nothing to do about it and then immediately insinuate that trans women are not real women, presumably because of the genitals they were born with. Then you go full retard and make the classic mistake of thinking that trans women are SJWs. Let me guess, communist socialists who want to make your son gay as well?

      There's one UID who's confirmed she's a trans woman right here in this thread arguing against the "social justice" movement and the We Need Women Coders nonsense.

      Many of us hold libertarian ideas. It's only practical. Gender lunatics like Brianna Wu, Caitlyn Jenner (well, not that I'm sure of it but her little media spotlight for taking her meds in the morning is suspicious), and Jennifer Boylan may very well be in the minority. The rest of us have had to wise up to how the real world works.

      I never wanted Obamacare. Look at the whinging and histrionics from Faux News about "omg free Obamacare sex changes it's the end of the world aaaaaa!" Now I am forced to buy insurance, and whereas before I could see a doctor for checkups either paying with cash or using my employer's insurance, now I get "religious objection!"

      It's somewhat difficult to hide that one is trans from the doctor who is prescribing one's meds.

      Moral of the story is that it is in a trans woman's best interest to hold a libertarian worldview. Nobody and I mean NOBODY will have her back if things go south for her. Another common misconception is that feminism wants social justice for trans women. This couldn't be more wrong. Feminism views us as invaders and metaphysical rapists and sees The Silence of the Lambs as a documentary about trans women.

      (There are some trans women trying to extend an olive branch to feminism like Julia Serano. I have no idea if anything's really changed, though. Feel free to flame me as long as you provide me a citation that feminism is no longer about hatred of everyone assigned the male gender at birth or currently living as the male gender. The MRAs at least accept trans men at face value, so that makes them slightly more credible in my book than the modern feminist movement.)

      To put it another way, why should I pay for your birth control pills, pap smears, and mammograms when you "religious objection!" when it comes to my meds and my mammograms? There is no fucking reason why I should pay for your care and no fucking reason for you to pay for my care. I don't want you to pay for my care, because all you people do is attach all kinds of silly stupid strings to it.

      There. Do you still think I'm an SJW for no other reason than people often perceive me as a woman despite the genitals I was born with? Maybe you're just jealous that I get more attention from men at a bar than you do? Ah, jealously is a terrible thing. I'm no Harisoo, but there is a grain of truth to the AW (American Woman--fat, self-centered, whiny, and will marry you only to take half of your possessions earned over a lifetime of hard work) stereotype. Mostly the fat part. But I'm not one of those fat shamers. I'm just lucky to have a fast metabolism. I wish I could give all trans women my metabolism, especially a friend who is struggling with her weight compounded with being trans. I would withhold it from you womyn-born-womyn, however. Why? Because were it the other way around, you'd withhold it from me because you're a transphobic cunt.

    105. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      [whoosh] I guess you didn't get it :-( [/whoosh]

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    106. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by fche · · Score: 1

      Well, I got the joke too, but the substance is worth addressing too.

    107. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Donno. Never had the urge to watch it. What little I saw before I turned the channel promised to be as boring as The English Patient, which I also stopped watching early on.

      They hired a straight guy to play Will in Will and Grace because the gay guys who applied weren't "gay enough." The hired Felicity Huffman (Desperate Housewives, etc) to play the lead role as a transsexual named Sabrina Osborne in the movie TransAmerica. A good actor can play any roll. A bad actor can't even play themselves in an autobiography.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    108. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Both, because it's society as a whole.

      In society, is it the men or the women? Dont avoid answering questions just because its uncomfortable. You claim both and we know its not true. Men don't give a shit about colors.

      No man is an island

      This is exactly what someone says when they are trying to take away someones liberty.

      Wait...government is violence? And then you respond with such a violent tone?

      Yes, and its not a violent tone. Its a promise. Let me repeat this one more time. You. Do. Not. Get. To. Fuck. Up. My. Kids.

      You do NOT get to be a self absorbed asshole who fucks things up for everyone else.

      I am fucking things up for you, ....by not letting you fuck up my kids?

      See right here is your agenda in full nakedness. You are so self-righteous that you think that you know best for everyone else.

      Let me repeat my promise and this is not a fucking joke. If you try to fuck up my kids I will fucking kill you. Remember that when you are trying to push one of your feel-good initiatives via government. People like me are legion. There is no corner of this country where you wont find someone who will fucking kill you if you fuck with their kids.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    109. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner is not a Woman. He is a man, who has had surgeries and hormone therapy so that his body vaguely resembles that of a female. He chooses to identify himself as a female, and personally I have no problem with that. But I am under no obligation to contribute to his personal delusions.

      Depends on where you are, I guess. Here, you most definitely ARE under the obligation to refer transsexuals by their new name and new pronouns (she, her, etc). When people holding a public meeting tried to shame me into shutting up by misgendered me repeatedly, thus "outing" me, they ended up publishing apologies to me in the news sections of the two largest newspapers (combined circulation of just over 400,000) on their nickel, thus outing themselves as knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing idiots. Sure, the whole world now knows, but it's not like I should be ashamed or anything.

      I could have pressed the matter and been awarded a five-figure sum (tax-free) but the apologies ended the affair quickly and effectively from my point of view.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    110. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same AC as GP here. *high fives the sibling AC*

      But you still can't be bothered to provide any names.

      I refuse to out another trans person. One of these people is a small business owner. You assholes would put him out of business in a heartbeat if you knew he was trans. And trust me, you never will know, because trans men generally end up indistinguishable from cis men no matter what age they start transition.

      I'm not going to bother quoting anything specific from the rest of your blather. I'm not yet full time, so I am not going to provide "tits or gtfo," but if we met tomorrow, even were I dressed in my boy clothes, you would think I was a woman. You would gender me female. Many people do. I would not correct you. You would go the rest of your life wondering who that pretty girl was with the thousand mile stare. Is she wearing male casual business attire because she's in a play? You would also underestimate my age by 10-15 years. Just about everyone does, especially people who know me as a man.

      I don't need to convince you of anything, but then again, I'm one of the lucky ones. I started HRT early in life. I do have some male features if you know what to look for, but chances are you don't have the anatomical knowledge to. Don't get me wrong. I'm no Harisoo. Many trans women are not so lucky as I, and my heart goes out to them. No trans woman should have to put up with your bullshit because she started HRT a decade or two later than me in life. My bones have even been influence by HRT, as the skeleton continues to change until some point in one's 30s I forget. (A warning to people in their 30s considering transition: the changes that have happened to me such as hips and forehead structure will not happen for you. I wish they could, but I cannot change how biology works, at least until Kyubey makes me a deal.)

      (Wait, you're thinking, is she contradicting herself? Nope. Unfortunately, I live in the real world and am about to get my Ph.D. from the school of hard knocks. I will complete transition... soon... I hope... until then I need a job to put a roof over my head and meat on the table, not just for me but for those who would be homeless if not for me.)

    111. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dragonkin of neither sex can fly or breath fire.

      What?! They can?! Holy Mary Mother of God!

      Females don't produce sperm even if they glue a dildo between their legs.

      Just wait 10 years. That will change. Already doctors can perform a penis transplant on an XY male. This is the last medical advance that will happen before the year from hell.

      Males don't have ovaries even if they cut off their dick.

      This problem will soon be solved in my worldline. Estimates have it that by 2050 we will see the first natural, live birth from a trans woman.

      UNLESS...

      Unless you can somehow avert the coming shitstorm. Then these advances would happen even before the year I departed. My point is that blowing it all up will not prevent these advances, no matter what Alex Jones says.

      After the year from hell, some of the best minds happened to have been born to bodies with reproductive organs of the opposite sex. We realized that we needed them. In 2043 being trans isn't an automatic promotion, however. We needed to be practical to rebuild the infrastructure. Being trans is no longer something we hold against a person. It doesn't matter if somebody identifies as male or female or whatever their reproductive system is or isn't. (Being rid of the dragonkin, however, was relieving.) We needed engineers and programmers so badly, especially during the Y2.038K crisis. In my worldline, the IBM 5100 was not needed due to the work of one hacker who happened to be a trans woman and had archived all the relevant information in an EMP-proof basement "datacenter" before the bombs fell, before the year from hell.

    112. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically anyone who's MtF-trans is born a woman. As researchers study this more, they've come to find that gender and our perception of it is very likely to be determined by the structure of the brain...

      No. Technically speaking, "MtF-trans" means that the person was born as a man. That's what the M stand for.

      (Personally, I'm rather shocked by the large number of people, even here on Slashdot, who believe this pseudoscientific nonsense. You do know that archeologists can differentiate between the skeletons of men an women, don't you? How could they do that if gender is "determined by the structure of the brain"? And I used to work with someone who had a job determining the sex of birds. It turns out that you can't tell from the plumage--instead, you have to cut the bird open and look for the ovaries or testes. But do know what part of bird they didn't touch? The brain.)

    113. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      I completely agree it's divisive. It's a total non sequitur, gratuitously thrown in to provoke. Trying to encourage girls and women to code has nothing to do with heading a large corporation. They're completely different skill sets, with different career paths. The people running the corporations aren't going to write code - they're going to hire someone else to because it costs less in terms of dollars per hour of salary worked. Why would they want to know how to code when they can hire a specialist who can do the job better and faster.

      My way of dealing with it was to make fun of it :-) Because it's not just divisive, it's stupid.

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    114. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Sorry that your narrative and a fictional movie doesn't reflect reality but do try to be honest, here.

      Again, you are parroting a myth.

      Not a myth, history. I thought this was common knowledge, apparently not. While yes, women's participation in the workforce increased yes, but those numbers don't say "which jobs". And it's known fact that at the end of WWII "some" women were told to give their jobs back to men. It happened, you can look it up. This happened most frequently in jobs traditionally done by men before the war. Heavy manufacturing, welding, that sort of thing Light manufacturing wasn't as much affected.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      World War II created millions of jobs for women. Thousands of American women actually joined the military: 140,000 in the Women's Army Corps (United States Army) WAC; 100,000 in the Navy (WAVE); 23,000 in the Marines; 14,000 in the Navy Nurse Corps and, 13,000 in the Coast Guard. Although almost none saw combat, they replaced men in noncombat positions and got the same pay as the men would have on the same job. At the same time over 16 million men left their jobs to join the war in Europe and elsewhere, opening even more opportunities and places for women to take over in the job force.[42] Although two million women lost their jobs after the war ended, female participation in the workforce was still higher than it had ever been.[43]

    115. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Men don't give a shit about colors.

      Really? You got a pink computer then? You know damn well that if a product comes in blue and pink with each having the same function, that men would consider the pink one "the girl version"

      This is exactly what someone says when they are trying to take away someones liberty.

      You are not John Galt, or Lazarus Long. Everyone is a part of society, even you.

      I am fucking things up for you, ....by not letting you fuck up my kids?

      My statement was generalized. If you say no one can fuck with kids, then what happens when some parents DO fuck up society with their fucked up kids? What if YOUR kids fuck up society because of something you did?

      You are so self-righteous that you think that you know best for everyone else.

      Human beings are dumb animals and you know it. Some of them have no business raising kids. Some of them are barely competent at running their own lives. While I'm not one to want to forbid people having kids without taking tests or being licensed somehow, society has to deal with the fallout of bad parenting. We do that as a society, as a whole. Now you may be such a individualist that you resent that, but that is the nature of the societal contract.

      If you try to fuck up my kids I will fucking kill you. Remember that when you are trying to push one of your feel-good initiatives via government.

      That is NOT an excuse or justification for lethal force. You kill some social worker because you think she was pushy, you will go to prison for murder, premeditated. Tone that unreasonable anger down buddy, it will get you into trouble someday.

    116. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may be easier to adjust the body than adjust psychology

      And it is brain-based...unless you also consider other mental illness as not brain-based...and then you'd just be contradicting science...brain-based doesn't only result from genetics, either, but also physical environment and social environment.

    117. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lies, damned lies, and statistics. That's a 10% drop (using the low number of 20 million women employed in the war industries and associated economic boom industries.) Which is fewer than wanted to keep their jobs.

      The bulk of the prospective postwar workers interviewed in this survey, or 86 percent, wanted their postwar jobs in the same industrial group as their wartime employment, and about the same proportion wanted to remain in the same occupational group.

      That's from the Women’s Bureau of the Department of Labor in a study done in 1945, by the way. Of those 2,000,000 an estimated 33% were African American (using the WBDL numbers) women and not hired or rehired not because they were women but because they were black.

      Err, Slashdot's yelling at me. I'm going to post this as AC. It should be obvious it's me. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong but I don't think I am. The numbers seem to indicate that this is, for the most part, a myth. That's not to say that it didn't happen to anyone - just that it wasn't widespread. You say that 10% lost their jobs. 14% didn't even want to keep their jobs. That number also includes the African Americans who lost their jobs, not because they were female but because they were black and they did, indeed, want to keep their jobs - lots of black men also lost their jobs. That's a whole other bowl of wax and I don't think they'd appreciate being co-opted into this or whitewashing history to say that the plight was the same as women's suffrage.

      KGIII - I'll leave this open and check for a reply, I may be wrong but I don't think I am. If I seem to miss a response that's because something happened, feel free to just thread your reply above (under one where I'm logged in) and I'll see it then. I may not notice this one but I'll try because now I'm pretty curious.

    118. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by goose-incarnated · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Women's brains and men's brains are not the same.

      This statement is at odds with your usual thoughts on the matter. Your posting history has a lot of "there is no reason for any task to be more desirable to one gender over the other" type of posts.

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    119. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by bongey · · Score: 1

      Pedophilia: Something Dr. Richard Green also says is "normal". The "research" was published in Dr Greens own journal, so equivalent to an internet blogger.

    120. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      It's just showing that one group of people who used to be more interested in coding but for some reason declined that coding could be for them.

      It's been a long time since you dragged out the "CS used to have more women in the past than it has now, hence it must be cultural indoctrination/sexism/etc reason that it is different now". I've repeatedly, and politely, pointed out to you that lack of options for women correlate very highly with numbers of women in CS.

      It seems you are missing or (even worse) deliberately ignoring this datum in order to push proaganda. Let me try to be clear and unambiguous:

      Women in the 80's had fewer options than they do now. When given more options women left CS and took the other options
      Women in the 80's had fewer options than they do now. When given more options women left CS and took the other options
      Women in the 80's had fewer options than they do now. When given more options women left CS and took the other options
      Women in the 80's had fewer options than they do now. When given more options women left CS and took the other options
      Women in the 80's had fewer options than they do now. When given more options women left CS and took the other options
      Women in the 80's had fewer options than they do now. When given more options women left CS and took the other options
      Women in the 80's had fewer options than they do now. When given more options women left CS and took the other options
      Women in the 80's had fewer options than they do now. When given more options women left CS and took the other options
      Women in the 80's had fewer options than they do now. When given more options women left CS and took the other options

      I certainly hope you aren't going to eventually circle back to this argument, but nothing in life is certain, except hope :-)

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    121. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      It's sad that Slashdot has been taken over by mod-bombing asshats. My post was at +5 for a while, then it got mod-bombed down to 0. It's clearly not without merit, others replied to it... It's just the MRA block voting again.

      There is no MRA voting block - hell, there are very few MRA posts in general. Look at this story for example - how many MRA posts do you find? I see a lot of egalitarian arguments, but no MRA arguments. Can you point them out?

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    122. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      demands a selfless focus on the subject (the code, the game, the proof), which is pretty hard to achieve when you think bearing children is the ultimate meaning of life.

      Try this on for size:

      demands a selfless focus on the subject (the code, the game, the proof), which is pretty hard to achieve when you think having sex is the ultimate meaning of life.

      men are willing to have sex with just about anything that crosses their path, which I guess explains the two guys that had sex with a porcupine

      Claiming women can't bring sufficient concentration to a problem because of their interest in child-bearing is as lame as claiming men can't because of sex.

      While I broadly agree with you I have to (slightly) disagree on a particular point: women are more risk averse than men when it comes to sex. Being risk-averse in a particular field (say... sex) means spending more time contemplating it. Being less risk averse means spending less time contemplating it.

      Sex is more important to women than to men; they take more care in evaluating partners because, from an evolutionary perspective, those that didn't get the "who'll be the daddy" part right didn't procreate. Men didn't need to exercise the same care because the number of children they can have is limited only by the number of females they can impregnate. Women had a limited number of opportunities for offspring, hence women took more care in ensuring the best offspring possible, with the best possible father-figure possible (not always the same man).

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    123. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by antdude · · Score: 1

      Prove it. :P

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    124. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Men and women are different, but we know (because we asked) that women do want to go into CS. It's a myth that women are just not suited to it. There is also no evidence that women lack the intelligence or ability to think logically.

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    125. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by goose-incarnated · · Score: 2

      Men and women are different, but we know (because we asked) that women do want to go into CS. It's a myth that women are just not suited to it. There is also no evidence that women lack the intelligence or ability to think logically.

      I agree that we know that women don't want to go into CS, BUT it's a big leap of faith t assume that the reason is due to your particular belief system. Also, I, and all of the other egalitarian, never made the claim about female intelligence. IOW we never claim that women lack the ability only that they find solo activities less desirable.

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    126. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Similarly, genitals have nothing to with being a CEO. Therefore you'd expect about half of CEOs to be women.

      The fact they're not suggests that something is skewing the expected results.

      It's not about individuals, it's statistics. If there is no bias against women then you would expect approximately equal numbers of women in all professions.

      Now, you could argue that some work like computer programming is more suited to men than women, but that is a different argument than saying " GENITALS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH COMPUTER PROGRAMMING".

      You can't have it both ways.

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    127. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      "It's not dividing anyone."

      Oh please. The first blaring announcement in the documentary is a whine about how "fewer large companies are run by women than by men named John".

      So it's divisive in the same way that saying "the Nazis murdered six million Jews" causes division between Nazis and non-Nazis?

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    128. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Trying to encourage girls and women to code has nothing to do with heading a large corporation.

      The point is that in both cases there is no reason for there not to be an equal number of men and women doing either.

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    129. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Over time they've come to dominate most professional fields and upper-management

      This is simply untrue. In professions like finance and law the majority of senior posts are held by men, and in general upper-management there are far more male than female CEOs for instance.

      Engineering/CS/tech may be even worse, but it is not that different.

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    130. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by fche · · Score: 1

      Dunno, maybe.
      If all you think 'dividing anyone' or being 'divisive' (or its fashionable antonym 'inclusion') means are the endpoints of the nazi-angel spectrum, then there's not much point using those words any more, is there? So we can expect corresponding self-censorship of SJW literature from now on?

    131. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Focusing on people's sex is sexism, therefore the whole social justice movement is sexist at its heart.

      And in precisely the same way, focussing on people's skin colour or sexual preference is racist or homophobic. So if we ignore them, racism and homophobia magically disappear?

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    132. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      You hate government so much that you can only consider it in terms of fucking up your kids?

      How about social workers removing children from abusive parents?

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    133. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Because if it were seen as just a fact by the filmmakers and devoid of sexism, the ratio of male CEOs to female is of no relevance to women in coding and wouldn't even be in the film, much less its opening moments.

      Why not the ratio of males to females in elephant caretakers?

      What do you mean by "just a fact"? It's either a fact or it's not.

      It is making a statement about level of women in senior level jobs. This is a factual statement, as less than 10% of CEOs of top companies are women. They are coding the benefit of being called a professional job.

      No offence to zookeepers, but elephant caretaking is not a senior level or professional job.

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    134. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      "How is a statement of fact sexist?"

      He didn't say it was sexist. He said it was a divisive claim of sexism. Wow, you are really getting destroyed in this thread.

      So facts are divisive now? Or do you seriously think that women are equally represented at CEO level in business, and that this claim is a lie?

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    135. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The fact that you think your detractors are MRA speaks volumes of your worldview. Your technical posts are usually very insightful.

      So it's OK for people on one side just to write any criticism off as being the work of "SJWs" but as soon as someone with an opposing viewpoint uses the term "MRA" that's unacceptable?

      Who's the over-sensitive little flower again?

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    136. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      It's sad that Slashdot has been taken over by mod-bombing asshats. My post was at +5 for a while, then it got mod-bombed down to 0. It's clearly not without merit, others replied to it... It's just the MRA block voting again.

      There is no MRA voting block - hell, there are very few MRA posts in general. Look at this story for example - how many MRA posts do you find? I see a lot of egalitarian arguments, but no MRA arguments. Can you point them out?

      It could be argued that anyone using the term "SJW" as a meaningless all-purpose insult is something other than a simple egalitarian. Or is it only right wingers who are allowed to use general smears?

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    137. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No offence to zookeepers, but elephant caretaking is not a senior level or professional job.

      I actually do hope they take offence, since elephant caretaking is definitely a professional job.

      It's difficult to take you seriously after that, unfortunately.

    138. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Faust6 · · Score: 1

      Well, hence the modifier *most*.

    139. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Faust6 · · Score: 1

      "just claimed that the reason they lag is due to some magical preference keeping women out." - This was referring to women's preferences, not everyone else's.

      "which means there is a problem" - No. Asking certain questions in good faith would be equally uncomfortable for feminist groups whom will have none of it, as I'm sure you think. This is ace-level misconstruing on your part. You projected too much and overreached. If anything any real insinuation here could only be interpreted as thinly veiled anti-feminism, and it's amazing that you don't see it.

    140. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should search for the subsequent studies that validated the one I cited, and also found the other effects I listed?

      As for Green, even a broken clock is right once in a while.

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    141. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Women may have a limited number of opportunities for offspring, but that has nothing to do with opportunities for sex. Women can have as much sex as they want because men will screw anything, even a porcupine. Men, on the other hand, not so easy.

      A little boy and a little girl are in the school yard.
      The little boy pulls down his shorts and says "Nya nya, I've got a penis and you don't"
      The little girl hikes up her skirt and says "I've got one of these, and my mommy says that with one of these, I can have as many penises as I want."

      The men spend so much time thinking about sex because they have to come up with ways to get some. Women can just look at the offers on the table.

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    142. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by russotto · · Score: 1

      It's not about individuals, it's statistics. If there is no bias against women then you would expect approximately equal numbers of women in all professions.

      Really? There are no other factors at all? The only possible reason for a gender disparity in employment statistics is bias, specifically bias against women?

      That's a simplification a lot harder to swallow than the proverbial spherical cow.

    143. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by bongey · · Score: 1

      "Maybe you should search for the subsequent studies that validated the one I cited, and also found the other effects I listed?"
      citation needed.
      Find some real research that isn't somehow linked to Greens publications or an organization he chairs

    144. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      One of the politically non-correct things that we're not allowed to say is that there are differences between the way men and women think that affect their choices. If this wasn't true, transsexuals wouldn't exist :-) It's also the reason why TERFs (Transsexual-hating Extreme Radical Feminists) hate us - it goes against their message that the only reason women don't have proper representation to fields like programming is "because MEN!"

      Learning how to code is a skill that has one of the lowest barriers to entry. There are working computers being thrown out that are more than 1000x faster than the one I learned on, with more than 10,000 times as much ram. Couple that with a free tube svga monitor (again, far better than what I learned on), a free operating system and tools (even FreeDOS and basic are good enough if you want to follow the KISS principle), and a book from the library, and you're ready to go.

      Computers are everywhere - there's no lack of exposure. Many of these girls have their own computers (smartphones) so they know what computers can do. Most also have access to computers at home but only want them to surf the net. If and when they need to do something more, like spreadsheets, there is no barrier to learning. Same with more complicated stuff, right up to assembly-language programming. If you have a need, you can learn it, your sex doesn't matter.

      We know that different people have different interests. Why do we refuse to even consider that it extends to gender to a certain extent, especially when it comes to coding? Oh, right - just follow the money.

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    145. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by werepants · · Score: 1

      But still they lag in Engineering and CS. I don't think it's the case that most ought not or couldn't enjoy it, but clearly they've demonstrated some preferences. So you may have to start asking more uncomfortable questions as to why.

      What complete horse shit. There are no barriers to entry in any job field for women.

      Citation needed. How do you explain the sudden drop in women in computers starting in the 80's? There was much less of a gender bias prior to that point, so something changed.

    146. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grow up. No I am not sorry to write this.

    147. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      Do your own research, or is your google-fu that bad? It's right there at your fingertips. You can start here

      Male-to-female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus.
      Kruijver FP1, Zhou JN, Pool CW, Hofman MA, Gooren LJ, Swaab DF.
      Author information
      Abstract

      Transsexuals experience themselves as being of the opposite sex, despite having the biological characteristics of one sex. A crucial question resulting from a previous brain study in male-to-female transsexuals was whether the reported difference according to gender identity in the central part of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc) was based on a neuronal difference in the BSTc itself or just a reflection of a difference in vasoactive intestinal polypeptide innervation from the amygdala, which was used as a marker. Therefore, we determined in 42 subjects the number of somatostatin-expressing neurons in the BSTc in relation to sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, and past or present hormonal status. Regardless of sexual orientation, men had almost twice as many somatostatin neurons as women (P The number of neurons in the BSTc of male-to-female transsexuals was similar to that of the females (P = 0.83). In contrast, the neuron number of a female-to-male transsexual was found to be in the male range. Hormone treatment or sex hormone level variations in adulthood did not seem to have influenced BSTc neuron numbers. The present findings of somatostatin neuronal sex differences in the BSTc and its sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the paradigm that in transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder.

      This is old news, with the research that led to this turn-of-the-century study being based on previous studies from the 1990s.

      You can read a WSJ article that covers more ground in a simpler manner here. A more extensive treatment of sexual differentiation in the interconnections of the brains of transsexuals more closely resembling their target gender rather than their birth sex can be found here.

      That transsexuals have brains that are more a match for their perceived gender than their biological sex is pretty much accepted as fact by most of the medical community. The only ones who still see this as controversial mostly have hidden agendas (religion, etc).

      For decades, we've been teaching children that it's not a person's appearance that matters, it's their minds. Well, we now have proof that, in the case of transsexuals, this is especially true. Physical cause, not psychological delusion.

      Think of it this way - if we were able to transplant your brain into a body of the opposite sex, you would still be the same person, and perceive that you now have the wrong body.

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    148. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Prove a negative based on a complete fabrication? Come now, you can't really be that slow. There was no "drop" in the 80s with women and computers, facts do not back up this fantasy. Given that, I guess you can really be that slow.

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    149. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by kmoser · · Score: 1

      Oh, are you so wrong. I use my penis as a third hand, effectively typing faster than any girl could.

      Interesting that the de facto gaming interface was a joystick, not a joyhole.

    150. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Q: What do you call the FtM operation?

      A: An Addadicktome.

    151. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have man hands. You all do.

      None of you pass. Sorry to burst your bubble.

      Kubrick even dubbed a real woman's voice over the tranny in 'Eyes wide shut'. To put the audience into the part of the uncanny valley he wanted them in.

    152. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      *crickets*

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    153. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When all you want to have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

      Before suspecting "social pressures of whatever sort", have you considered the more likely possibility that the "computer fields" may have slightly changed in the last 30 years or so, and the type of work now is not exactly what it used to be then, and maybe, just maybe, the kind of work is less attractive to women ?

    154. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by bongey · · Score: 1

      Again not actual journal with any standing and you cite the WSJ?
      Oh yes I do have a mental disorder but I don't think normal, I was locked in box by the kindergarten teacher.
      I have no issue with gays or trans, some things are permanent and society should accept when people are different.

    155. Re: I'm upset because it's divisive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beg to differ, but I have ADD and can concen--BUTTERFLY!!!

      Where was I? Ah, right...I can concentr--SHINY!!!

      Ok, in all seriousness, I do have ADD and I can concentrate if I put my mind to it, and I am very much anti-sjw. No broad generalizations about ADD.

      SJW's are a result of the extreme narcissism that the 'everyone is special, everyone gets an award for participation' philosophy has caused. When I grew up, I was taught that the world didn't owe me a living and that I would have to work and get along with everyone else...and if something bad happened? Tough, that's life...adapt and overcome.

    156. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      Come off it, I made it clear that "You can read a WSJ article that covers more ground in a simpler manner". And you completely ignored the other link on research published in the Oxford University Press, which was done by the following:

      Andreas Hahn1, Georg S. Kranz1, Martin Küblböck2, Ulrike Kaufmann3, Sebastian Ganger1, Allan Hummer2, Rene Seiger1, Marie Spies1, Dietmar Winkler1, Siegfried Kasper1, Christian Windischberger2, Dick F. Swaab4 and Rupert Lanzenberger1

      - Author Affiliations

      1 Department of Psychiatry and Psychotherapy
      2 MR Center of Excellence, Center for Medical Physics and Biomedical Engineering
      3 Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Medical University of Vienna, Vienna, Austria
      4 Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience, Institute of the Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences, Amsterdam, The Netherlands

      They found the physical differences in the brain, but I can understand you not wanting to refer to it because it contradicts your claim that there is no Address correspondence to R. Lanzenberger, Functional, Molecular and Translational Neuroimaging Lab, Department of Psychiatry and Psychotherapy, Medical University of Vienna, Waehringer Guertel 18-20, 1090 Vienna, Austria.

      You claimed:

      The issue is with the brain, and I've never seen any evidence of any "Trans" person having a brain which is physically at odds with the body. The logical conclusion is that the dysphoria is primarily psychological in nature, not physiological

      Well, now you've seen some, done by credible researchers. Or do you reject brain scans done by neuroscientists as evidence? And there's more out there if you look for it. The article has links to other studies. Or you can just google for it.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    157. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by werepants · · Score: 1

      There was no "drop" in the 80s with women and computers, facts do not back up this fantasy.

      First google hit: When Women Stopped Coding.

      You say "There are no barriers to entry in any job field for women." This is an extraordinary claim, considering the huge disparity in gender participation in different fields. The data referenced above doesn't match your assertion so how about you provide something substantive supporting your position? Your extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence and I haven't seen it.

      If you can't provide any factual defense of your claims, then it seems safe to assume that you are yet another internet ideologue with little concern for reality.

    158. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Early on in computers everyone who could use a computer was considered technical. Accountants and Bookkeepers using Lotus 123 were called "Technical". Secretaries that could use Word Perfect were "High Tech". People who learned these things were learning "High Tech" and "Computers". If you cherry pick history to fit a narrative you are an idiot, but SJWs like you do it all the time. .Grats on being one of those.

      --

      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    159. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by werepants · · Score: 1

      The cited article shows the declining numbers of female computer science majors. So your convenient little rationalization is completely irrelevant. Nice work.

    160. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by s.petry · · Score: 1

      COMPUTER SCIENCE WAS LOTUS 1-2-3 AND WORDPERFECT. Stop trolling and do some fucking homework.

      --

      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    161. Re:I'm upset because it's divisive. by werepants · · Score: 1

      COMPUTER SCIENCE WAS LOTUS 1-2-3 AND WORDPERFECT.

      Are you being serious right now? This is so far out there that I'm not sure how to begin to reply. For basics: computer science degrees have always been math based, or perhaps an offshoot of the electrical engineering department. The first PHds in computer science were awarded way back in the 60's, and they certainly weren't for word processing.

      I'm quite entertained by the escalating absurdity of your answers. Can't wait to see what you come up with next.

  16. Dead end path for women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Men view women in IT with growing suspicion and perceive them as a potential sexual harassment threat. There are warnings going around that men should not be alone with a woman, even in professional environments, to avoid "honey traps". This well has been thoroughly poisoned. If the only hurdle that women with an interest in computers had to overcome in the past was having co-workers with badly adjusted manners towards women, and that was enough to deter women from entering the field, then the foreseeable future is looking absolutely horrifying for any girl with an honest desire to become a software developer: Now it's an openly and justifiably antagonistic environment.

    1. Re:Dead end path for women by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      I imagine most men in IT would be glad of a sexual harassment suit. It would be almost like having a girlfriend..

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  17. DONE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm so over this 'egalitarian' bs. Let men and women gravitate towards fields that naturally suit them. Stop trying to make us sexless and interchangeable robots. There were girls in my CS classes, most of them quit because they realized they hated CS, not because the odds were stacked against them or something. If you wanna fix the gap here you need to change brain chemistry.

  18. From the producer of Obama's 2008 DNC bio by theodp · · Score: 1

    Tale of Obama: Davis Guggenheim and Lesley Chilcott, the Academy Award winning director/producer team behind Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth, returned to politics this summer when Barack Obama's campaign managers called them to produce A Mother's Promise, the ten-minute biographical film of the senator that aired at the Democratic National Convention and now appears on Obama's campaign site, which relaunched with a new design this week.

  19. Fucking answer me this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do the women I know who are very good and skilled programmers OUT OF A JOB?!

    Fuck you, Dice.

    1. Re:Fucking answer me this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask her to renounce her US citizenship, get an Indian one, and work as H1B.

      Captcha: liberals

  20. Same trick different age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Emancipation 2.0
    Because the man wanted more workforce back then. Now the man wants more workforce in specific sector.

  21. trannies should be euthanized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there, I said what we're all thinking.

  22. Just to give google a taste of their own medicine by tekrat · · Score: 1

    Issue a DMCA takedown notice. It's easy to submit one and not so easy to dispute it. And Youtube will comply because it's staffed by drones.

    --
    If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
  23. Is tension really important in a documentary? by Lendrick · · Score: 1

    Tension makes things more interesting, but if you set out to document something that's happening *right now* (as opposed to, say, some event in history that you already know was really tense), the *correct* way to document it is to document the truth. This is actually the responsible thing to do.

    A few years ago, there was some indie game making contest reality show, and the people doing the show decided to *create drama* by asking one team if they felt that the other team was at a disadvantage because they had more women. As I recall, the developers wouldn't have it, and eventually a bunch of people walked off the set.

    If you're documenting something, injecting tension where none exists is shitty journalism. If you're reviewing a documentary, demanding that the creator of the documentary inject tension where none exists is also shitty journalism.

  24. And the MRA whining begins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the MRA whining begins.

    The MRAs seem to hate women so much that they need to just give up on women entirely and start marrying their Bro-friends.

    1. Re:And the MRA whining begins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who uses MRA as a slur is not worth listening.

    2. Re:And the MRA whining begins by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Anyone who uses MRA as a slur is not worth listening.

      Yeah they're probably a fucking SJW.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  25. What's the source of the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We've known for a long time girls can code. The first programmer was a women: Ada Lovelace. When programming was not considered important it was mostly women. Men only took over after programming became a respectable job.

    We should refute the religious idiots that are trying to pull us all back to the dark ages.

  26. Re:Just to give google a taste of their own medici by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And remember, it doesn't matter that you don't hold copyright to the video, so long as you hold whatever copyright you claim the video violates!

  27. GIRL coders? by ememisya · · Score: 1

    I dunno, the video mentioned the use of pink and cookies. I want my cookies.

  28. Your communist is showing by s.petry · · Score: 2

    You keep repeating the same exact propaganda over and over in different posts, and anyone doing even a cursory study of recent history should be able to tell you how wrong you are. Men did not come back and just take those jobs away. Women were not working because the technology you take for granted did not exist. Sure, the advent of canned vegetables was there but we had no cheap restaurants or fast food. There were no good disposable diapers, cheap baby formula, fast food restaurants, cheap clothing, etc.. etc.. etc... Good grief man, read a damn book or something! Go look up the growth and dominance of fast food. It did not start until the 70s, and not the early 70s either.

    Pizza when I was a kid cost as much as a week of groceries. We had 1 "fast food" place when I was in elementary school called "Burger Chef" and it was expensive too. Mom sewed and knitted because clothing was expensive. People had cloth diaper services because disposable diapers were expensive, bulky, and seen as wasteful. The Grocery store was mostly fruits and vegetables, with a whopping 3 or 4 flavors of instant cereal which people thought was for either the most wealthy or most destitute.

    Women worked because their families were poor and they needed the income. You would hear things like "That poor lady has to work because her husband can't make a good enough living to support his family." "Going to work" was not a sign of status or sign of success by any stretch of the imagination. You are brainwashed into believing not just a reality that does not exist, but that living your life serving someone else is "success".

    Think really hard about how you respond, if you believe you can possibly argue your delusion. Facts, something that certain people hate, are essential to a good debate.

    --

    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  29. Push push push by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who says there aren't enough girl coders? Maybe many girls correctly perceive that it is not a good match for them. So, because we have some ideological idea that everything has to be 50% each sex, we are going to push and pressure girls into becoming coders? Then, after 5 years they realize that they hate it but had succumbed to social pressure, and now it will be even harder for them to enter a career they actually like.

  30. Exclusive: transcript of first scene by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CodeGirl: I’m designing a game that shows kids how computers work ... You can make a robot puppy do cute tricks by matching up coloured blocks! I’m only creating the design ideas ... I’ll need Stephanie and Brianna’s help to turn it into a real game!

  31. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  32. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  33. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  34. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  35. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  36. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  37. Yay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More social justice warrior babble! Just proves that if you're willing to speak the narrative, they'll give you a platform.

  38. If you want your daughter to code well, by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 1

    make sure her mother is intelligent, because no amount of encouragement will help if your kid just doesn't have what it takes to deal with the requisite levels of abstraction and volumes of facts that must be memorised to master the art, or the ten years of sacrificing most of your time to acquire enough hours experience to be an expert in anything. Less than 5% of the population can ever be good a programming, the rest will be so bad at it that machine intelligence will out perform them faster than the girls in school now can graduate from university. The key is that your child should discover what they both love and have a natural talent for doing and focus on that. They should avoid coding unless they are a natural at it because getting into the field for political reasons is just setting them up for failure. Forget all this nonsense about competitions etc. if you like that you probably are not introverted enough to compete with people who live to code and have no time for stage-managed social activities.

  39. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  40. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  41. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that your fake site for more lies Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

  42. Problem specific to certain areas? by phorm · · Score: 2

    When it comes down to the "women in tech" (not just coders) issue, I wonder if perhaps it's also partially constrained by area or market. Where I work, yes we do have somewhat more men in a sysadmin type role. However - in this and many of my previous jobs - female presence in management (and more specifically management of technical types) is actually fairly strong.

    I actually had a short discussion with a female co-worker (also in IT, and she kicks ass) regarding the choice of the current Canadian government to deliberately fill cabinet to be "gender balanced". This is despite there being more male MP's etc. Basically, it's a kick in the head to the women who *DO* work hard and get their roles based on ability. I'm not saying that women should put up with sexism, unwanted advances, harassment, etc in the workplace, but whether you dimple or you dangle in the end it should be able ability and skills.

  43. I watched the documentary by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

    And that's exactly what some of the girls say in the documentary and the points that are being brought across!
    These are 15 year old girls, the competition is pretty fierce. They have to pitch, design and implement their App/Program in teams.
    There are no "sparkle and rainbow and butterflies" coated instructions or Apps. The community problems they try to solve are hardcore. Some of the entries: An App that tests your reaction skills to see if you are fit to drive, An App by a Mexican team who wanted to check for Home Violence, Small Tools Sharing, A volunteering social network App, etc...
    One of the girls says that's what she likes about it, they are put in charge of the whole process, and there is no "girly-pinkified" coding involved.
    The Mexican girls were saying that if they were interested in Science or Computers, their teachers and surroundings would just tell them that's for boys and go do girly stuff, so this competition actually allowed them to go for the "non-girly-pinky" way of Software Engineering.
    I, for one, was really impressed by the maturity and cleverness of all these 15 year old girls. I'm sure I would not have been able to do what they did as good when I was 15. Knowing these kids are around gives me hope for the future, Congratulations to all of them.

    1. Re:I watched the documentary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. It's the teachers, high school counselors, and asshole managers who are keeping women out of tech.

      But nope, just keep right on blaming us misogynerds! There are no women in tech careers because all of you evil cishet sexually frustrated rapey misogynerds constantly sexually harassing them! Either that or it's those evil rapey men in dresses who pretend to be women so they can get a bathroom peep show and rape real womyn-born-womyn in the bathroom! You evil misogynerds!

      NARRATIVE IS TRUTH! Zuckerfuck and Gates says it's all the fault of you misogynerds pushing women out of tech careers! You deserve 10 creeper cards each! You microaggressing misogynerd! Why would a manager-type with billions of dollars lie?

  44. Girl-Viral-Marketers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "This video is private"....

    I guess they don't want us watching it after all.

  45. Re:Just to give google a taste of their own medici by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you are a heterosexual male that got rejected by both a company and a girl recently? I think that medicine tastes...bitter?