This has nothing to do with the issue. You don't have spam on Fb because you can choose who you read and who you ignore. If a "friend" on Fb is just a troll I can revoke him from my friend list and never see him again. That has nothing to do if he is using a real name or not.
> "There are two platforms: [iOS] makes money [and] is still very programmable, like the Apple II, and then the other is Android, which is a piracy platform, and you're not doing anything new with it -- you're making a bigger phone that connects to your TV."
Just like Windows is a "piracy platform", but last time I checked there are plenty of games for Windows. And despite efforts like SecureROM and other DRM crap, it's still is a "piracy platform".
Nothing new? Except a gaming console. Have fun try to do that with the iPhone and iOS. The iPhone is also nothing new, just a PDA with a better interface.
> And with all Ouya games being free to play, "you have to basically make a microtransaction game to make any money on it."
So he is just afraid that with all the free games he can't compete and can't make as much money.
"Typographically rich" means for me to use what is available since 30 years or more: hyphenations for text, real small caps and ligatures. In the design guidelines is only some crappy font settings which I know and do not love from every Web page out there. So nothing new here at all.
But what should I expect if you just take Html, JS and Css to design applications. If you not take the hint: it's the worst possible format for good designs. I mean, it took what, 10 years for CSS to finally get gradient support done? Or rounded borders? Or shadows?
The bottleneck here is the I/O (Input/Output) aka your hard disk or your camera flash memory. A good programmed GUI will not freeze if some I/O is happening but a faster rendering will accelerate the image rendering maybe by 0.1% (in contrast a faster hard disk like a RAID will accelerate the rendering by 100% or more).
The fact is all graphic is already accelerated by modern 3D graphic cards. Even Java Swing is accelerated by 3D graphic cards. My whole desktop is one big 3D game: I have 3D effects enabled since 1 year onmy Fedora Linux. So what is not 3D accelerated?
The only reason to drop Windows XP is that there are no more security updates. But that is not really a priority for home users. Besides updates, what is Windows 7 offering for a home user and why should he/she buy a new version of Windows for her old computer? There is nothing worthwhile in Windows 7, except the eye candy which nobody cares for.
If the computer is offline or is used with an up-to-date firewall, anti-virus program and up-to-date firefox, I see no reason to suggest to use a more recent Windows version. There is also no reason to pay 50Euro.
With a Linux it's a different story. An up-to-date Linux offering better hardware support, up-to-date versions of applications, also it's free (no cost) for the user to upgrade.
How about the Linux users that are not currently customers of Steam, but would be if there was a Linux client?
For example, I buy games only if I know there is good Wine support, also I am not a Steam customer. If there were a Linux client, I would think to be a customer, because then I could buy Games with have Linux support.
And that is after the acquisation of Trolltech ($150 million) and after the development of Meego. I wonder what the shareholders are thinking of the CEO? Also, did his new strategy brought Nokia in a better possion?
If I were a shareholder I would be very pissed of [1]
Just awesome. As the Humbe Linux Bundle have shown there is big potential in the Linux desktop market for games. Many games are already working just fine in Wine. As you can see in the WineHQ[1] there are 3333 Platinum, 2878 Gold and 2468 Silver rated applications and games (Platinum and Gold means they are working out-of-the-box with Wine).
But I do hope you are going to contribute to the Wine project. What would be just beyond awesome if your client would be open source. There is no reason to not make your client open source anyway, since it will work only with your service. But to have your client open source would bring you many advantages.
Like free bug fixing from the open source community; Free translations to different languages, like Chinese, Thai, German, Spanish. Free porting to different Linux distributions like Fedora, OpenSuse, Debian. You would have so many more potential customers if Linux users could just go to their package manager and install your client from the official repositories.
Thank you for the port and for the courage to take the opportunity.
Morality should be above law. We make laws to ensure our morality not make laws to make morality. Laws that try to make morality never worked and will never work, see the prohibition of alcohol laws.
In an ideal world the politicians should listen to the people and if the majority of the population shares music the politicians should unsure that the sharing of music stays legal and stays possible. That means the complete abolish of copyright legislation in private, not-for-profit usage. Currently that means no restrictions of sharing, format shifting and breaking of DRM.
The important part is that I talk about private, not-for-profit sharing. No cooperation should or no law should be make to restrict what I can use with my property, that includes CDs, DVDs, TV, radio, software. If I want to rip my bought DVDs to the hard disk and share it to my friends, I should be able to. If I want to record TV broadcasts or radio, I should be able to. If I want to share my music and video collection to my 100,000 friends on Torrent or P2P I should be able to.
The only harm to the industry is coming from for-profit copyright infringement. That means, if my business is to infringe on others copyright. Examples are, if I sell copied DVDs on the street, if I offer downloads of music and films that I do not have the right to do so.
An counter example is if I have a site that just lists links to torrents. The business is not to infringe on others copyright, but just to have a dictionary of torrent links, like Google have a dictionary of links to web sites. Like Google is not checking if all of their links is referring to sites that do not infringe on others copyright, a torrent links site like Thepiratebay can not check if all the torrent links do not infringe on others copyright. Why have the Thepiratebay liability if one of the links infringe on others copyright, but Google have no liability if it links likewise? By the same logic, Google should been blocked as the Thepiratebay is.
I do wish Wikipedia would make use of hyphenations. And I wish hyphenations would just be a Html standard. I mean really, how hard is it? We have an open source hyphenation algorithm since 30 years or whatever.
There are some effords to bring hyphenations to the Web, like the phpHyphenator. Please compare also the showdown LaTeX vs. Word vs. Writer. The Web would have zero point.
Talking about uglyness. The whole Web is ugly. No hyphenations, no real small caps, no ligatures. From typographic perspective the Web tool a huge step back since Gutenberg first invented the printing press.
Git is not designed to handle big binary data. Since Git is creating SHA hashs for each file, with a file 500MB and more it will take more time, also it will use up all the RAM to calculate the hash. In addition the size of the repository will skyrocket if you put revisions of big binary files, since you can't easily delete old files in a git repository.
Git is good for text documents and source code. But since even the Odt documents are binary blobs (the xml data is compressed with zip), you can't use git efficient with open document text files or other documents like Excel, Spreadsheets, etc.
So either you are using a modified git version, or you just ignore the issues? Do SparkleShare delete old revisions of a file?
But I'm using Git for all my documents, too. Git is secure (the hash is almost a perfect proof that the files were not modified) and fast. With the bonus that I can delete/modify all my documents with the save guard of revision history.
It's always nice to say "xxxx don't work, don't pretend it works, because it crashes yyy times/day for me". For everyone that starts a discussion like this, there are 100 others for which the xxxx just works and they do their work and are quite.
It would be nice if you share your hardware configuration, or if you open a bug report. Because for me X just works, and it just works for at least 2 years (since I started using Linux) with very different laptops and PCs. I can't recall anytime where X crashed.
There were some issues with Wine after a game; there were some issues with suspend or hibernate. But that is certainly not X11 fault. I never saw that X11 just crashed in a normal usage.
X11 needs to be replaced? Like my roof needs to be replaced because it works and have no holes in it? But it is old, I think about 15 years, so yeah it needs to be replaced.
X11 is old, but it works. I can have multiple monitors just fine, 3D effects are working fast, games are working. Also, it is supported by all hardware vendors like AMD, Nvidia, Intel. Also I have network transparency with no additional costs. Multi-User works just fine with very easy Ctrl+Alt+F1 up to F12. I don't know why you want something else. In KDE there is also a user switcher GUI way. Boot is smooth in Fedora 14, 15 and 16.
As long as there are no drivers from AMD, NVidia and Intel, Wayland will be a wet dream of a few developers. I do not need to go back to the time where the only graphics mode was Framebuffer. My impression is from the Ubuntu developers that they like some kids who are just pushing things like they want without any though about anything. Just to be different or "cool".
First the totally unnecessary changes in Gnome with the Close/Minimize buttons; then the not usable Unity; and now the Wayland, which will be usable only after more 5 years in development and testing.
You don't need to get to functions pointers if you don't need polymorphism. It's like making (in C++) all methods virtual just for fun. You can have static OOP in C:
// in header file typedef struct FileClass;
int FileClass_open(FileClass* this, char* fileName); int FileClass_close(FileClass* this); int FileClass_read(FileClass* this, void* in, size_t size, size_t* actualSize); int FileClass_write(FileClass* this, void* out, size_t size, size_t* actualSize);
// in C file typedef struct {// all your data } FileClass;
int FileClass_open(FileClass* this, char* fileName) {
thisc->data }
// usage FileClass class; int ret = FileClass_open(&class, "filename.txt");
Btw, I'm not a system developer so I'm using names that are not acronyms. Are there still so many C compilers that can't handle names with more then 8 letters? I wish C would get namespaces, so I don't have to write FileClass_ prefix so it won't collide with the C standard libraries.
Linux is just cheaper? The LHC was budged at 7.5 billion euros. You think they had a few millions for a few Solaris (or anything else) workstations if they needed Solaris?
Ok, now I know I'm feeding a troll. So companies do not write their software for Linux because a) somehow you can't live without a CLI in Linux and b) somehow Linux users will not pay for software?
I using Linux for 2 years now and I still don't know how to setup wireless network with the CLI. Nor do I know how to set the gateway, the network and all that stuff for a network connection with the CLI. All I know is: ifup eth0. If that will not work, I boot up a Linux live CD with Xfce or KDE on it to get network going. My point being: I'm a long time Linux user and I am never used the CLI for anything desktop related.
For servers it's quite different, there I'm using the CLI on a regular basis and I do not want a GUI.
What core program in Linux is missing a GUI? Also, if you have an example, why should be there a GUI?
You are still not give any reason to your opinion to why all tasks should have a GUI. I'm not against a GUI, you are free to write your GUI for any CLI task.
To say there should be a GUI for anything it's like saying there should be Visiual Programming for all programming languages and it is somehow "best practice" and it will somehow "industry standard one way or the other".
So please elaborate, why is a GUI a "best practice" and why it should become industry standard (which is not, btw. and even Microsoft recognizing it with the Powershell).
It's a nice opinion, but can you give me some reason? For example, if I have a server and I want to restart MySQL, what is the difference between open a terminal and type in "restart mysql" and opening a GUI window and click on a button "restart mysql"?
Can you give me any reason why there should be a GUI over the CLI?
Because there is none. There is no advantage in first find the "restart mysql GUI application" and click on the "restart mysql" button. Also, why the hostility? A CLI is just as simple as the GUI. The only difference is that you have to type in a command, instead of clicking on a buttons.
A GUI have some advantages over the CLI, but to say that all tasks should have a GUI is very shortsighted.
But you forget that, compared to any natural language, the syntax of CLI commands is very simple.
Also there is room for help aids, like in Ubuntu if you didn't spell a command correctly it will show you some suggestions and if you didn't install that particular command, then it will suggest you the package to install. Also there is the "apropos" command and the always available man pages.
Really, CLI is not rocket science. Are you really think of users that badly that you don't think they can handle the keyboard? Like the younger generation can type in SMS with lighting speed, but if confronted with the keyboard and a CLI it's somehow unmanageable?
And where is exactly the difference again? Only you are omitting the command "search" in front of every Google search you do. The Google search is a Command Line Interface, you access it via typed in commands via the keyboard. That is the opposite of a GUI, where you click on symbols with the mouse.
Linux does offer a GUI way for everything. Please tell me one task that requires the usage of the CLI for everyday usage. If you have KDE, Gnome or Xfce, then everything can be done in the GUI.
That doesn't mean I agree with you anyway. I don't see any reason why you should never go to the CLI. Why the hostility of the CLI?
So you have to look up the CLI command and the parameter. That is the same for a GUI application. If not, why so much fuss about the new look of the MS Office with the ribbons or Windows 8 Metro? After all, it is a GUI and everyone should be able to get it in 5 minutes. But you see post after blog how complicated it is and how many training the employees need to get used to it.
Believing that any linguistically rich environment for interaction between people and computers will be commercially unpopular, the designers of operating systems want u s to live in an infant's world. They show you pretty pictures, and in order to communicate you point at the appropriate picture and grunt.
The most important accomplishment of humanity is language, it is the single most important invention. Without language we would not have culture or technology. But here we are, trying to eliminate language from computer and replacing it with hieroglyphs and symbols.
The only problem with the CLI is the illiteracy fostered by Windows and the still prevailing inconvenience of the DOS like command prompt. Some people think that if there is no GUI for a problem, there is no solution at all. Most people do not even know that you can actually tell a computer what to do instead of clicking on abstract symbols. We humans tell other humans all the time what to do. We left runes and hieroglyphs and symbols millenia ego, but if you tell people you can actually tell a computer what to do they will not known what you mean.
What is so difficult to tell the computer to "find . MyFile" or "whereis firefox" or to "reboot", or to print the current "date"? Or to "sleep 5m && reboot"? or to "wget http://some.server/some.file && poweroff"?
If you tell me, you have to remember the commands, then I have news for you: humans are very good in remember commands (aka words). We remember at least 10,000 words for everyday usage and if you speak multiple languages, that number can go pretty high. So why do you think the CLI is only for "geeks" and a regular user should not use the CLI at all? Is it because you think of "regular" users are stupid and can't learn anything? I watched flight travel agents and McDonalds workers use the CLI all the time. Or is it more that the dominant operating system on desktops have a horrible command line interface?
Why is "dynamically typed" the "next logical step"? I like Groovy and I'm using it daily but most of the time in Groovy I try to figure out what methods I can use on the parameter. And I get little angry why Groovy can't offer auto-completion for a type I used 5 lines above.
I've yet to find a more comfortable environment as Linux/KDE. a) The Desktop looks sleek and stylish, but is very fast and responsible. b) It has 3D effects that are not only good looking but increase productivity. c) It lets me define key bindings in a central way for anything and like I want. d) It can manage the windows like I want. e) It has all the apps that I like and need and yet to find anything like them for other desktops or systems.
a) I'm using Fedora 16 with KDE4 on 3 different laptops, one is a Asus Nettop. From my wife or the friend of my wife I do not get any complains. If I look to my friends with Windows 7 how sluggish their desktop is I feel only pity and sadness. At the same time Oxygen looks sexy and stylish compared to anything I saw from Microsoft or Apple or other desktops.
b) I'm using present all desktops and present all windows in a regular basis. Also the switch windows in a sexy and fast cower switch. It is fast, it is very useful. If you want it fast, just set Animation Speed: Instant in Desktop Effects. I don't like any animations, so yet again I'm very very glad that KDE lets me disable them.
c) I can define shortcuts for any KDE application in a central way as well as for KWin. Alt+Tab to switch windows, Win+Tab to switch desktops, Win+Left/Right/Top/Bottom to go to the desktops. Win+V for Klipper, Amarok Key Bindings, etc. Easy set the caps lock key as an extra Ctrl key.
d) I can Keep Above Others for any windows, set transparency, KDE has a smart window placement. I can set what window go to what monitor or desktop. I can show a window on all desktops.
e) Kate, KWrite, Amarok, Kile, Dolphin, and many more. No other desktop or system have them and I miss them because no other is feature complete and useful and sexy and sleek as them.
For me KDE4 is light years ahead of other systems or desktops and probably will be always my number one choice. Of course it would be better if some commercial entity would pick up KDE and deliver a good desktop experience. But now all they do is this smartphone and tablets nonsense like Unity and Gnome3. Like the multi-billion PC and laptop market disappeared or will disappear in 5 years. But of course the entry in the desktop market is so much harder, thanks to the Microsoft stranglehold.
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This has nothing to do with the issue. You don't have spam on Fb because you can choose who you read and who you ignore. If a "friend" on Fb is just a troll I can revoke him from my friend list and never see him again. That has nothing to do if he is using a real name or not.
That is really interesting. Here is some coverage: Music Royalty Society Collects Money For Fake Artists, Bathroom Equipment and Food
> "There are two platforms: [iOS] makes money [and] is still very programmable, like the Apple II, and then the other is Android, which is a piracy platform, and you're not doing anything new with it -- you're making a bigger phone that connects to your TV."
Just like Windows is a "piracy platform", but last time I checked there are plenty of games for Windows. And despite efforts like SecureROM and other DRM crap, it's still is a "piracy platform".
Nothing new? Except a gaming console. Have fun try to do that with the iPhone and iOS. The iPhone is also nothing new, just a PDA with a better interface.
> And with all Ouya games being free to play, "you have to basically make a microtransaction game to make any money on it."
So he is just afraid that with all the free games he can't compete and can't make as much money.
"Typographically rich" means for me to use what is available since 30 years or more: hyphenations for text, real small caps and ligatures. In the design guidelines is only some crappy font settings which I know and do not love from every Web page out there. So nothing new here at all.
But what should I expect if you just take Html, JS and Css to design applications. If you not take the hint: it's the worst possible format for good designs. I mean, it took what, 10 years for CSS to finally get gradient support done? Or rounded borders? Or shadows?
http://www.mueller-public.de/2012/07/hyphenation/
http://oestrem.com/thingstwice/2007/05/latex-vs-word-vs-writer/
The bottleneck here is the I/O (Input/Output) aka your hard disk or your camera flash memory. A good programmed GUI will not freeze if some I/O is happening but a faster rendering will accelerate the image rendering maybe by 0.1% (in contrast a faster hard disk like a RAID will accelerate the rendering by 100% or more).
The fact is all graphic is already accelerated by modern 3D graphic cards. Even Java Swing is accelerated by 3D graphic cards. My whole desktop is one big 3D game: I have 3D effects enabled since 1 year onmy Fedora Linux. So what is not 3D accelerated?
The only reason to drop Windows XP is that there are no more security updates. But that is not really a priority for home users. Besides updates, what is Windows 7 offering for a home user and why should he/she buy a new version of Windows for her old computer? There is nothing worthwhile in Windows 7, except the eye candy which nobody cares for.
If the computer is offline or is used with an up-to-date firewall, anti-virus program and up-to-date firefox, I see no reason to suggest to use a more recent Windows version. There is also no reason to pay 50Euro.
With a Linux it's a different story. An up-to-date Linux offering better hardware support, up-to-date versions of applications, also it's free (no cost) for the user to upgrade.
How about the Linux users that are not currently customers of Steam, but would be if there was a Linux client?
For example, I buy games only if I know there is good Wine support, also I am not a Steam customer. If there were a Linux client, I would think to be a customer, because then I could buy Games with have Linux support.
And that is after the acquisation of Trolltech ($150 million) and after the development of Meego. I wonder what the shareholders are thinking of the CEO? Also, did his new strategy brought Nokia in a better possion?
If I were a shareholder I would be very pissed of [1]
[1] https://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:NOK
Just awesome. As the Humbe Linux Bundle have shown there is big potential in the Linux desktop market for games. Many games are already working just fine in Wine. As you can see in the WineHQ[1] there are 3333 Platinum, 2878 Gold and 2468 Silver rated applications and games (Platinum and Gold means they are working out-of-the-box with Wine).
But I do hope you are going to contribute to the Wine project. What would be just beyond awesome if your client would be open source. There is no reason to not make your client open source anyway, since it will work only with your service. But to have your client open source would bring you many advantages.
Like free bug fixing from the open source community; Free translations to different languages, like Chinese, Thai, German, Spanish. Free porting to different Linux distributions like Fedora, OpenSuse, Debian. You would have so many more potential customers if Linux users could just go to their package manager and install your client from the official repositories.
Thank you for the port and for the courage to take the opportunity.
[1] http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&sTitle=Browse%20Applications&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true
Morality should be above law. We make laws to ensure our morality not make laws to make morality. Laws that try to make morality never worked and will never work, see the prohibition of alcohol laws.
In an ideal world the politicians should listen to the people and if the majority of the population shares music the politicians should unsure that the sharing of music stays legal and stays possible. That means the complete abolish of copyright legislation in private, not-for-profit usage. Currently that means no restrictions of sharing, format shifting and breaking of DRM.
The important part is that I talk about private, not-for-profit sharing. No cooperation should or no law should be make to restrict what I can use with my property, that includes CDs, DVDs, TV, radio, software. If I want to rip my bought DVDs to the hard disk and share it to my friends, I should be able to. If I want to record TV broadcasts or radio, I should be able to. If I want to share my music and video collection to my 100,000 friends on Torrent or P2P I should be able to.
The only harm to the industry is coming from for-profit copyright infringement. That means, if my business is to infringe on others copyright. Examples are, if I sell copied DVDs on the street, if I offer downloads of music and films that I do not have the right to do so.
An counter example is if I have a site that just lists links to torrents. The business is not to infringe on others copyright, but just to have a dictionary of torrent links, like Google have a dictionary of links to web sites. Like Google is not checking if all of their links is referring to sites that do not infringe on others copyright, a torrent links site like Thepiratebay can not check if all the torrent links do not infringe on others copyright. Why have the Thepiratebay liability if one of the links infringe on others copyright, but Google have no liability if it links likewise? By the same logic, Google should been blocked as the Thepiratebay is.
I do wish Wikipedia would make use of hyphenations. And I wish hyphenations would just be a Html standard. I mean really, how hard is it? We have an open source hyphenation algorithm since 30 years or whatever.
Please compare yourself:
Without Hyphenations
With Hyphenations
There are some effords to bring hyphenations to the Web, like the phpHyphenator. Please compare also the showdown LaTeX vs. Word vs. Writer. The Web would have zero point.
Talking about uglyness. The whole Web is ugly. No hyphenations, no real small caps, no ligatures. From typographic perspective the Web tool a huge step back since Gutenberg first invented the printing press.
Git is not designed to handle big binary data. Since Git is creating SHA hashs for each file, with a file 500MB and more it will take more time, also it will use up all the RAM to calculate the hash. In addition the size of the repository will skyrocket if you put revisions of big binary files, since you can't easily delete old files in a git repository.
Git is good for text documents and source code. But since even the Odt documents are binary blobs (the xml data is compressed with zip), you can't use git efficient with open document text files or other documents like Excel, Spreadsheets, etc.
So either you are using a modified git version, or you just ignore the issues? Do SparkleShare delete old revisions of a file?
But I'm using Git for all my documents, too. Git is secure (the hash is almost a perfect proof that the files were not modified) and fast. With the bonus that I can delete/modify all my documents with the save guard of revision history.
It's always nice to say "xxxx don't work, don't pretend it works, because it crashes yyy times/day for me". For everyone that starts a discussion like this, there are 100 others for which the xxxx just works and they do their work and are quite.
It would be nice if you share your hardware configuration, or if you open a bug report. Because for me X just works, and it just works for at least 2 years (since I started using Linux) with very different laptops and PCs. I can't recall anytime where X crashed.
There were some issues with Wine after a game; there were some issues with suspend or hibernate. But that is certainly not X11 fault. I never saw that X11 just crashed in a normal usage.
X11 needs to be replaced? Like my roof needs to be replaced because it works and have no holes in it? But it is old, I think about 15 years, so yeah it needs to be replaced.
X11 is old, but it works. I can have multiple monitors just fine, 3D effects are working fast, games are working. Also, it is supported by all hardware vendors like AMD, Nvidia, Intel. Also I have network transparency with no additional costs. Multi-User works just fine with very easy Ctrl+Alt+F1 up to F12. I don't know why you want something else. In KDE there is also a user switcher GUI way. Boot is smooth in Fedora 14, 15 and 16.
As long as there are no drivers from AMD, NVidia and Intel, Wayland will be a wet dream of a few developers. I do not need to go back to the time where the only graphics mode was Framebuffer. My impression is from the Ubuntu developers that they like some kids who are just pushing things like they want without any though about anything. Just to be different or "cool".
First the totally unnecessary changes in Gnome with the Close/Minimize buttons; then the not usable Unity; and now the Wayland, which will be usable only after more 5 years in development and testing.
You don't need to get to functions pointers if you don't need polymorphism. It's like making (in C++) all methods virtual just for fun. You can have static OOP in C:
typedef struct FileClass;
int FileClass_open(FileClass* this, char* fileName);
int FileClass_close(FileClass* this);
int FileClass_read(FileClass* this, void* in, size_t size, size_t* actualSize);
int FileClass_write(FileClass* this, void* out, size_t size, size_t* actualSize);
typedef struct {
} FileClass;
int FileClass_open(FileClass* this, char* fileName) {
thisc->data
}
FileClass class;
int ret = FileClass_open(&class, "filename.txt");
Btw, I'm not a system developer so I'm using names that are not acronyms. Are there still so many C compilers that can't handle names with more then 8 letters? I wish C would get namespaces, so I don't have to write FileClass_ prefix so it won't collide with the C standard libraries.
Linux is just cheaper? The LHC was budged at 7.5 billion euros. You think they had a few millions for a few Solaris (or anything else) workstations if they needed Solaris?
I using Linux for 2 years now and I still don't know how to setup wireless network with the CLI. Nor do I know how to set the gateway, the network and all that stuff for a network connection with the CLI. All I know is: ifup eth0. If that will not work, I boot up a Linux live CD with Xfce or KDE on it to get network going. My point being: I'm a long time Linux user and I am never used the CLI for anything desktop related.
For servers it's quite different, there I'm using the CLI on a regular basis and I do not want a GUI.
What core program in Linux is missing a GUI? Also, if you have an example, why should be there a GUI?
To say there should be a GUI for anything it's like saying there should be Visiual Programming for all programming languages and it is somehow "best practice" and it will somehow "industry standard one way or the other".
So please elaborate, why is a GUI a "best practice" and why it should become industry standard (which is not, btw. and even Microsoft recognizing it with the Powershell).
Can you give me any reason why there should be a GUI over the CLI?
Because there is none. There is no advantage in first find the "restart mysql GUI application" and click on the "restart mysql" button. Also, why the hostility? A CLI is just as simple as the GUI. The only difference is that you have to type in a command, instead of clicking on a buttons.
A GUI have some advantages over the CLI, but to say that all tasks should have a GUI is very shortsighted.
Also there is room for help aids, like in Ubuntu if you didn't spell a command correctly it will show you some suggestions and if you didn't install that particular command, then it will suggest you the package to install. Also there is the "apropos" command and the always available man pages.
Really, CLI is not rocket science. Are you really think of users that badly that you don't think they can handle the keyboard? Like the younger generation can type in SMS with lighting speed, but if confronted with the keyboard and a CLI it's somehow unmanageable?
And where is exactly the difference again? Only you are omitting the command "search" in front of every Google search you do. The Google search is a Command Line Interface, you access it via typed in commands via the keyboard. That is the opposite of a GUI, where you click on symbols with the mouse.
That doesn't mean I agree with you anyway. I don't see any reason why you should never go to the CLI. Why the hostility of the CLI?
So you have to look up the CLI command and the parameter. That is the same for a GUI application. If not, why so much fuss about the new look of the MS Office with the ribbons or Windows 8 Metro? After all, it is a GUI and everyone should be able to get it in 5 minutes. But you see post after blog how complicated it is and how many training the employees need to get used to it.
Believing that any linguistically rich environment for interaction between people and computers will be commercially unpopular, the designers of operating systems want u s to live in an infant's world. They show you pretty pictures, and in order to communicate you point at the appropriate picture and grunt.
The most important accomplishment of humanity is language, it is the single most important invention. Without language we would not have culture or technology. But here we are, trying to eliminate language from computer and replacing it with hieroglyphs and symbols.
The only problem with the CLI is the illiteracy fostered by Windows and the still prevailing inconvenience of the DOS like command prompt. Some people think that if there is no GUI for a problem, there is no solution at all. Most people do not even know that you can actually tell a computer what to do instead of clicking on abstract symbols. We humans tell other humans all the time what to do. We left runes and hieroglyphs and symbols millenia ego, but if you tell people you can actually tell a computer what to do they will not known what you mean.
What is so difficult to tell the computer to "find . MyFile" or "whereis firefox" or to "reboot", or to print the current "date"? Or to "sleep 5m && reboot"? or to "wget http://some.server/some.file && poweroff"?
If you tell me, you have to remember the commands, then I have news for you: humans are very good in remember commands (aka words). We remember at least 10,000 words for everyday usage and if you speak multiple languages, that number can go pretty high. So why do you think the CLI is only for "geeks" and a regular user should not use the CLI at all? Is it because you think of "regular" users are stupid and can't learn anything? I watched flight travel agents and McDonalds workers use the CLI all the time. Or is it more that the dominant operating system on desktops have a horrible command line interface?
Why is "dynamically typed" the "next logical step"? I like Groovy and I'm using it daily but most of the time in Groovy I try to figure out what methods I can use on the parameter. And I get little angry why Groovy can't offer auto-completion for a type I used 5 lines above.
a) I'm using Fedora 16 with KDE4 on 3 different laptops, one is a Asus Nettop. From my wife or the friend of my wife I do not get any complains. If I look to my friends with Windows 7 how sluggish their desktop is I feel only pity and sadness. At the same time Oxygen looks sexy and stylish compared to anything I saw from Microsoft or Apple or other desktops.
b) I'm using present all desktops and present all windows in a regular basis. Also the switch windows in a sexy and fast cower switch. It is fast, it is very useful. If you want it fast, just set Animation Speed: Instant in Desktop Effects. I don't like any animations, so yet again I'm very very glad that KDE lets me disable them.
c) I can define shortcuts for any KDE application in a central way as well as for KWin. Alt+Tab to switch windows, Win+Tab to switch desktops, Win+Left/Right/Top/Bottom to go to the desktops. Win+V for Klipper, Amarok Key Bindings, etc. Easy set the caps lock key as an extra Ctrl key.
d) I can Keep Above Others for any windows, set transparency, KDE has a smart window placement. I can set what window go to what monitor or desktop. I can show a window on all desktops.
e) Kate, KWrite, Amarok, Kile, Dolphin, and many more. No other desktop or system have them and I miss them because no other is feature complete and useful and sexy and sleek as them.
For me KDE4 is light years ahead of other systems or desktops and probably will be always my number one choice. Of course it would be better if some commercial entity would pick up KDE and deliver a good desktop experience. But now all they do is this smartphone and tablets nonsense like Unity and Gnome3. Like the multi-billion PC and laptop market disappeared or will disappear in 5 years. But of course the entry in the desktop market is so much harder, thanks to the Microsoft stranglehold.