But I'd expect that what only runs on Windows IE to work on Mac IE..
Mac IE is far more standards-compliant. If a web app depends on Windows IE's non-standard implementation of a tag....
I installed AT&T/Yahoo DSL for my sister about 4 years ago. (Of course it was SBC/Yahoo then.) My memory is dim, but I seem to recall that the setup application was a very fancy and very flaky html/javascript-based program. Did a lot of weird stuff and finally crashed — even though I was running IE! Had to do most of the configuration by hand.
Of course, such a program is going to be very dependent on a particular browser, because it will use obscure javascript and DOM stuff that varies from browser to browser. But the real problem is not browser dependency. The problem is an inept software developer who designed a unnecessarily elaborate program using precisely the wrong tools.
If by "hideous" you mean "a pain to use", I certainly agree. But Linus didn't say, "Solaris has a lousy desktop". He said:
The Linux desktop is just so much better than what traditional Solaris has, and I expect Solaris to move more and more towards a more Linux-like model there.
If by "traditional Solaris desktop" he means CDE or OpenWindows, he's right. But both these desktops are deprecated in Solaris 10, in favor of JDS, which is a rebranded GNOME, which originated in Linux.
It only took a few minutes for you to lose 3 point (counting your karma bonus) to moderators misusing the flamebait and troll mods. You were expecting courtesy on Slashdot?
Or use the Slashdotter Firefox Plugin, which isn't compatible with D2. It's ability to hide threads I'm not interested in far outweighs any advantages of the new layout. I also like the reply (no more typing in <blockquote>) feature, and various AJAX features.
The Linux desktop is just so much better than what traditional Solaris has, and I expect Solaris to move more and more towards a more Linux-like model there.
Linus seems unaware that the preferred desktop on Solaris is now a rebranded version of GNOME.
Don't confuse flamebaiting with simple sloppiness. Which weekend editors do a lot. And ignore my sig: that's directed at moderators who downmod anything they disagree with.
That's the official plan. But do you really think MS will stick to it? OEMs need an OS to stick on the computers they sell, and it needs to be one buyers will accept. MS has an obscene amount of clout, but they still can't get away with saying "Vista or nothing." If they try and OEMs go along, sales will plummet. OEMs know this and will stand up to MS for once.
I'm sorry? What rights did FDR abuse? Did he throw his enemies in jail? Did he impose censorship?
FDR was probably the most popular President in U.S. history, but not even he always got his way. The other branches of government regularly stood up to him. And he got elected four times because he got stuff done. (Had a landlord once who was a hardcore Reagan Republican. Told me that FDR was the only Democrat he ever voted for — and he never regretted voting for him.) The fact that you don't care for what he accomplished doesn't mean he was a tyrant. It just means that you're in the minority.
It's Ok to link Wikipedia to explain something, but it's silly to cite it as a source. All a text in a public wiki proves is that the last person to edit the text thought it was true.
Hey, you got me all wrong. I believe that the right to own weapons is our only defense against tyranny! And I mean any weapon: assault weapons, artillery, even nukes. After all, nukes don't destroy cities — people destroy cities!
I think you'll find that most of the drift to authoritarianism (not quite the same thing as Fascism — no cool uniforms for one thing) occurred since a certain little dweeb came to power. He and his pals not only have done their best to tear up the bill of rights (except the 2nd amendment, of course) and to usurp legislative and judicial authority, they've even tried to convert the government to a single-party system. Ironic, from a bunch that claims to have brought down the Soviet Union.
But this is not new. We've always had people who were ready to abuse power. They never last. The American political system has many, many faults, but it does have a remarkable ability to restrain the power mad. As last year's elections demonstrate.
I can do all that in Open Office too, and it didn't take me 2 years of "retraining" to figure it out.
Dude, I use Star Office (the commercial version of Open Office) almost every day. I work at Sun, and it's the standard there. And no, it didn't take me 2 years to transfer my skills, but it didn't happen overnight, either. I didn't take a class (though Sun offers them), but it still cost my employer thousands of dollars-worth of my time in self-training. (And I still don't know how to do all the things I used to do in Word, Excel, and Access.) Sun is willing to cover that expense, because they want their employees to use their products. Most companies are not.
The fact that you think it only takes 10 minutes to learn to use a word processor shows from little experience you have working in a real workplace. Sure, you can learn to write a letter in 10 minutes. A reasonably intelligent person can even do it without a teacher. (Though many folks who work in offices are not that smart.) But what about all that other stuff you do with a word processor? Do you think that all those menus and icons are there for decorations? Do you know how to do a two-column newsletter with graphics? Print up a set of mailing labels? Prepare a complex table? Draw an org chart? Input an equation? Manage style sheets? Define a page layout with exdented headers? Write macros?
I haven't used Vista, but it does have two features I'd really like to have.
First there's "shadow copy." That's a poorly labled file system enhancement; it's really a kind of file change journaling. That makes it very difficult to accidentally overwrite a file and very easy to recover old versions.
Then there's the handwriting recognition. Not valuable unless you have a tablet. I do, and I'm very tired of the handwriting recognition in XP, which doesn't let your customize very much.
There's also a ton of new security features. But these are universally hated because of their usability impact. Probably everybody turns them off.
Bahh... I think the "vendor lock-in" for home users is a crock of shit.
Did I say anything about home users? Most computers are purchased by businesses, and businesses don't like to change applications. People need to be able to open old files. And then there's training; how many job ads have you seen that say "Must know Linux and Star Office"?
Then again, lock-in affects home users too. People don't want to use different software at work and at home.
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I installed AT&T/Yahoo DSL for my sister about 4 years ago. (Of course it was SBC/Yahoo then.) My memory is dim, but I seem to recall that the setup application was a very fancy and very flaky html/javascript-based program. Did a lot of weird stuff and finally crashed — even though I was running IE! Had to do most of the configuration by hand.
Of course, such a program is going to be very dependent on a particular browser, because it will use obscure javascript and DOM stuff that varies from browser to browser. But the real problem is not browser dependency. The problem is an inept software developer who designed a unnecessarily elaborate program using precisely the wrong tools.
If we're a product, we should be productive. But we're not, because we waste too much time on Slashdot!
Enabling it is one thing, actually working is another. It doesn't take a lot of change to the Slashdot HTML to break Slashdotter.
It only took a few minutes for you to lose 3 point (counting your karma bonus) to moderators misusing the flamebait and troll mods. You were expecting courtesy on Slashdot?
Brian, this is your boss. You spend too much time on Slashdot as it is.
Or use the Slashdotter Firefox Plugin, which isn't compatible with D2. It's ability to hide threads I'm not interested in far outweighs any advantages of the new layout. I also like the reply (no more typing in <blockquote>) feature, and various AJAX features.
Don't confuse flamebaiting with simple sloppiness. Which weekend editors do a lot. And ignore my sig: that's directed at moderators who downmod anything they disagree with.
FUD! FUD! Next you'll be telling me that eating lots of Wheaties won't make me strong!
That's the official plan. But do you really think MS will stick to it? OEMs need an OS to stick on the computers they sell, and it needs to be one buyers will accept. MS has an obscene amount of clout, but they still can't get away with saying "Vista or nothing." If they try and OEMs go along, sales will plummet. OEMs know this and will stand up to MS for once.
I'm sorry? What rights did FDR abuse? Did he throw his enemies in jail? Did he impose censorship?
FDR was probably the most popular President in U.S. history, but not even he always got his way. The other branches of government regularly stood up to him. And he got elected four times because he got stuff done. (Had a landlord once who was a hardcore Reagan Republican. Told me that FDR was the only Democrat he ever voted for — and he never regretted voting for him.) The fact that you don't care for what he accomplished doesn't mean he was a tyrant. It just means that you're in the minority.
It's Ok to link Wikipedia to explain something, but it's silly to cite it as a source. All a text in a public wiki proves is that the last person to edit the text thought it was true.
Hey, you got me all wrong. I believe that the right to own weapons is our only defense against tyranny! And I mean any weapon: assault weapons, artillery, even nukes. After all, nukes don't destroy cities — people destroy cities!
Yeah, really. Next thing you know it'll he illegal to own your own tank.
FUBAR stands for "fucked up beyond all recognition." Microsoft products are all too recognizable.
I think you'll find that most of the drift to authoritarianism (not quite the same thing as Fascism — no cool uniforms for one thing) occurred since a certain little dweeb came to power. He and his pals not only have done their best to tear up the bill of rights (except the 2nd amendment, of course) and to usurp legislative and judicial authority, they've even tried to convert the government to a single-party system. Ironic, from a bunch that claims to have brought down the Soviet Union.
But this is not new. We've always had people who were ready to abuse power. They never last. The American political system has many, many faults, but it does have a remarkable ability to restrain the power mad. As last year's elections demonstrate.
The fact that you think it only takes 10 minutes to learn to use a word processor shows from little experience you have working in a real workplace. Sure, you can learn to write a letter in 10 minutes. A reasonably intelligent person can even do it without a teacher. (Though many folks who work in offices are not that smart.) But what about all that other stuff you do with a word processor? Do you think that all those menus and icons are there for decorations? Do you know how to do a two-column newsletter with graphics? Print up a set of mailing labels? Prepare a complex table? Draw an org chart? Input an equation? Manage style sheets? Define a page layout with exdented headers? Write macros?
I do. And I didn't learn how in 10 minutes.
I haven't used Vista, but it does have two features I'd really like to have.
First there's "shadow copy." That's a poorly labled file system enhancement; it's really a kind of file change journaling. That makes it very difficult to accidentally overwrite a file and very easy to recover old versions.
Then there's the handwriting recognition. Not valuable unless you have a tablet. I do, and I'm very tired of the handwriting recognition in XP, which doesn't let your customize very much.
There's also a ton of new security features. But these are universally hated because of their usability impact. Probably everybody turns them off.
Not everybody. Just people like you.
Sure, and nukes are hardly green at all. Like I said, Green is relative.
Don't assume that I think something should be banned just because I point out it's negatives.
Then again, lock-in affects home users too. People don't want to use different software at work and at home.