Just because copyright holders have been working to infringe upon those rights doesn't mean those rights don't exist. A normal copyright gives the purchaser several rights that fall under "fair use," such as being able to make an archival copy or to quote passages of it in your own derivative work. Anybody that's ever had to write a paper for class has exercised these rights.
Oh come on! I'm not even a GPL fanatic, but even I see the fallacy in your argument. GPL is a license to copy.
The GPL on GPL-ed software doesn't apply to any use of the software at all. Archival copy? No Problem. Quoting passages? Go ahead, there are plenty of Non-GPL books which quote from GPL-ed Software. As long as your use truly falls under fair use, the GPL doesn't even come into effect.
Once More: The GPL is a license to copy the software beyond that which is allowed by law. It is not a click-through license, because it isn't even close to restricting your use (or fair use). It is just a pre-approved license which saves you the trouble of contacting the author for permission to copy his work in those cases where you are willing to make your derivative work GPL. Don't forget: If the GPL isn't there. You have to contact him. If you did, and he said "no, you can't use it" would you be up in arms? Then why is even noteworthy when it's more like:
Author: "Well, what do want to use it for?" You: "I want to sell my program with a restrictive license and make gobs of money!" Him: "No, you can't copy my work." or You: "I want to make my program GPL" Author: "Well that sounds okay, send your lawyer over so we can write up a contract which allows you to copy my work into that program, as long as it's availabe under GPL" ... only without the lawyer and the wait.
Just a little footnote to what nomadic said, since it bears on the impression most people have about Iran: Farsi is an Indo-European language, meaning it's in the same language family as English, French, Russian, and most of the languages spoken in Western Europe. The notable exceptions are Basque, Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian; Basque is a language 'isolate', meaning there are no known related languages, the last 3 belong to the Finno-Ugric family of languages. This all means that Iranians speak a language much more closely-related to English than Finnish, etc.
Arabic, is relevant for Islam in the same way Latin is for the Catholic Church, which is why many (most?) people in dominantly Muslim countries can speak Arabic... as a second language, in the case of Iran, Afghanistan, and others.
Disclaimer: I studied Linguistics, but I know *very* little about the countries and cultures in question.
I am _so_ sorry. I dual boot Windows and Slackware. Maybe someone can summarize? I gotta go.
Not your fault. An AC pointed out it works with Mozilla, but unfortunately the only Mozilla variant I have on my Linux system is Netscape 6.1 which crashed on that site:-(
I'll just save the link and try it sometime when I get around to downloading a current version of Mozilla, or the next time I reboot to Windows; hmmmmm... maybe it's time for some more Civ 3...
Too bad only windows owners can enjoy it since even trying to look at the page with Konqueror and 'Browser ID' set to IE 5.5 on Win 98 results in a page reading: You need the newest version of Internet Explorer or Netscape to "browse" the Web in style. The new Internet "browsers" are faster, safer, and include extras that bring the Web to life. Best of all, they're free (sic!), so get your new software in just 3 easy steps
Americans and most westerns are often too subjective when it comes to freedom. In their mind, if US has a score of 6, then the scale would be 1 to 6.
You're right. That is *often* the case; probably even the majority. But likewise, many non-Americans have a similarly unflattering scale for Americans when it comes to criticizing other countries, namely If U.S. has a score of 10 for 'well-leveled' criticism, then the scale would be 1-100;-) And people like that have just as much of a knee-jerk reaction that what an American says is *necessarily* provincial, over-patriotic, whatever. Like most things in life, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
I'm one of the Americans (yeah, yeah, I know: *North* Americans) who is not under any illusions about his own country (and, for the record, Bush and his 'Axis of Evil' BS -- or for that matter Bush and anything -- are among the things that make me embarassed to be from the States), and If I were to choose the 'most-Free' country it would more likely be a European country (probably Holland, off the top of my head), but it would still be give and take; e.g. in Germany (where I've been living for 6 years -- and yes I DO speak German fluently), there are more freedoms than in America in issues involving America's 'hot-button' moral issues, like sex or alcohol (just examples), but most Americans cannot imagine the game Castle Wolfenstein being illegal (not just restricted) in the original version because there are Swastikas in it. Never mind that the game isn't pro-Nazi by a long shot.
But that's all tit for tat; China IS less free than the above countries by any measure. You might argue about the justification for the lack of freedoms (like the Germans do about their restriction on Nazi stuff, and the Americans about our Alcohol laws), but I can't think of any aspect of life in China where you have more Freedom than in any given Western European or North American country. I'd be happy to be corrected.
For Communist governments only? I don't think so... Or are we a bit hypocritical as usual?
It's not hypocritical to say China is totalitarian just because Western democracies haven't achieved a utopian level of Freedom. Just because, say, the U.S is at 6 on a Freedom scale of 1-10 doesn't mean it's not appropriate to criticize China for being at 3. Afterall, Americans criticize their own government in that respect all the time.
The explanation is: NASA didn't want to direct their cameras on Mordor (which we now know is locate in New Zealand) since Sauron might have taken control of the satellites. Where would we be then? I applaud NASA's foresight in this matter.
well... alright, actually they're only cropped off on the BBC site, the original pictures are complete, so blame BBC:-)
When you (the US) have a big dog, you put a pinch (or shock) collar on him, and you jerk it hard (or shock him) when he *starts* to get out of line. You can let up a little, but only when he has a compelling fear of disproportionate retribution. Corporations are less like people who deserve rights, and more like dangerous, powerful animals that must be attended to with preemptive stewardship. Emotions, values, and ethics are not present in the brains of reptiles or boardrooms.
If you weren't posting during a time of great grief and a tragedy that strikes at every peaceful country in the world, I'd impolitely remediate your ignorance.
Bzzzzt. Sorry, thanks for playing though. Its is a possesive pronoun; pronouns aren't modified by the genetive ending ('s). If we apply your 'logic' than it should be he's instead of his and I's instead of mine, and so forth.
The 'logic' you mentioned would apply more in (here I'll use some technical terms, since you seem to value that) agglutinating languages (such as many Finno-Ugric languages), or in polysynthetic languages (such as most Eskimo languages), but it generally doesn't apply in inflectional languages (such as most Western European languages), and can't apply in isolating languages (such as Chinese).
"It's" is more technically correct
If you'd like to learn some accurate technical things about languages, I suggest you check out what the Linguists say: http://www.linguistlist.org. Afterall, they spend a bit more time thinking about this kind of stuff, and they use a little more empirical data than their own opinions.
The "correct" English usage of "its" is wrong. That it is accepted practice does not make it correct. It's a stupid rule, and I'm happy every time I see someone using the incorrect, yet more logical "it's".
Bzzzzt. Sorry, thanks for playing though. Its is a possesive pronoun; pronouns aren't modified by the genetive ending ('s). If we apply your 'logic' than it should be he's instead of his and I's instead of mine, and so forth.
This, I think, is what the Framers were tryting to get at with the College: a system which takes not only sheer number of votes into account, but also the distribution of those votes.
Bravo!! This is exactly correct. I get so frustrated when I read again and again that the reason for the EC was that the framers wanted to isolate the election from the people. It's very heartening to see that at least someone learned it by just looking at the election results. I'm still dissapointed that Bush will probably be the beneficiary of this system, and the selfish part of me wishes it were the popular vote for this election, but, despite that I remain a proponent of the system as it is.
Personally, I agree, witchcraft isn't a "real" religion, just a bunch of crap Alistair Crowley made up to sell books.
That may be true, but then some of us believe that Christianity is just a bunch of crap invented by Mary to convince Joseph she didn't get knocked up by a Roman soldier. That's the whole point of religious freedom: We're supposed to be able to decide for ourselves whether one particular view is just a bunch of crap.
I also work at Interwoven, and from talking to a few other people I've gathered that the official line is, "If there's a sufficient demand, we'll do it." The thing is, even though the Teamsite server has to run on Solaris or NT (including Win2k) the web server can run on just about any server OS; that includes the development webserver which can sit on a different computer than the Teamsite server.
Additionally, most of Interwoven's customers are Big Business, namely companies which run pretty heterogenuous computing environments (from what I've seen), meaning that of those who are running webservers on 'other' OSes, such as Linux, they will always have at least some Solaris or NT boxes 'lying around'. This adds up to very little demand from customers for other ports thus far. At least that's the way I interpret the situation.
I would love to have a Linux port myself since only Sparc Solaris is supported meaning I have to run the NT version on my Laptop -- No offense to NT fans, I just prefer to work in a unix-like environment; and yes I'm aware of Cygwin, but *sigh* it's just not the same.
Everything in this post is my personal opinion and does not represent an official position from Interwoven.
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Just because copyright holders have been working to infringe upon those rights doesn't mean those rights don't exist. A normal copyright gives the purchaser several rights that fall under "fair use," such as being able to make an archival copy or to quote passages of it in your own derivative work. Anybody that's ever had to write a paper for class has exercised these rights.
Oh come on! I'm not even a GPL fanatic, but even I see the fallacy in your argument. GPL is a license to copy.
The GPL on GPL-ed software doesn't apply to any use of the software at all. Archival copy? No Problem. Quoting passages? Go ahead, there are plenty of Non-GPL books which quote from GPL-ed Software. As long as your use truly falls under fair use, the GPL doesn't even come into effect.
Once More: The GPL is a license to copy the software beyond that which is allowed by law. It is not a click-through license, because it isn't even close to restricting your use (or fair use). It is just a pre-approved license which saves you the trouble of contacting the author for permission to copy his work in those cases where you are willing to make your derivative work GPL. Don't forget: If the GPL isn't there. You have to contact him. If you did, and he said "no, you can't use it" would you be up in arms? Then why is even noteworthy when it's more like:
Author: "Well, what do want to use it for?"
You: "I want to sell my program with a restrictive license and make gobs of money!" Him: "No, you can't copy my work."
or
You: "I want to make my program GPL"
Author: "Well that sounds okay, send your lawyer over so we can write up a contract which allows you to copy my work into that program, as long as it's availabe under GPL"
...
only without the lawyer and the wait.
Just substitute him with any number of Democrats, and it works.
;-)
You're right, of course. I just couldn't resist the sarcastic reply
Aren't the Democrats supposed be the party that sticks up for the common people as opposed to big media interests like Disney and the MPAA?
Oh you mean like Sonny Bono.
You mean the dead Republican, Sonny Bono? Or were you talking about another one?
-chris
Fair enough. Looks like we agree :-)
Just a little footnote to what nomadic said, since it bears on the impression most people have about Iran: Farsi is an Indo-European language, meaning it's in the same language family as English, French, Russian, and most of the languages spoken in Western Europe. The notable exceptions are Basque, Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian; Basque is a language 'isolate', meaning there are no known related languages, the last 3 belong to the Finno-Ugric family of languages. This all means that Iranians speak a language much more closely-related to English than Finnish, etc.
Arabic, is relevant for Islam in the same way Latin is for the Catholic Church, which is why many (most?) people in dominantly Muslim countries can speak Arabic... as a second language, in the case of Iran, Afghanistan, and others.
Disclaimer: I studied Linguistics, but I know *very* little about the countries and cultures in question.
-chris
I am _so_ sorry. I dual boot Windows and Slackware. Maybe someone can summarize? I gotta go.
:-(
Not your fault. An AC pointed out it works with Mozilla, but unfortunately the only Mozilla variant I have on my Linux system is Netscape 6.1 which crashed on that site
I'll just save the link and try it sometime when I get around to downloading a current version of Mozilla, or the next time I reboot to Windows; hmmmmm... maybe it's time for some more Civ 3...
-chris
Too bad only windows owners can enjoy it since even trying to look at the page with Konqueror and 'Browser ID' set to IE 5.5 on Win 98 results in a page reading:
You need the newest version of Internet Explorer or Netscape to "browse" the Web in style. The new Internet "browsers" are faster, safer, and include extras that bring the Web to life. Best of all, they're free (sic!), so get your new software in just 3 easy steps
Where are my mod points!!!
Ditto what phutureboy said. Moderators, the above is a real example of 'informative' as well as 'interesting'
-chris
Americans and most westerns are often too subjective when it comes to freedom. In their mind, if US has a score of 6, then the scale would be 1 to 6.
;-) And people like that have just as much of a knee-jerk reaction that what an American says is *necessarily* provincial, over-patriotic, whatever. Like most things in life, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
You're right. That is *often* the case; probably even the majority. But likewise, many non-Americans have a similarly unflattering scale for Americans when it comes to criticizing other countries, namely If U.S. has a score of 10 for 'well-leveled' criticism, then the scale would be 1-100
I'm one of the Americans (yeah, yeah, I know: *North* Americans) who is not under any illusions about his own country (and, for the record, Bush and his 'Axis of Evil' BS -- or for that matter Bush and anything -- are among the things that make me embarassed to be from the States), and If I were to choose the 'most-Free' country it would more likely be a European country (probably Holland, off the top of my head), but it would still be give and take; e.g. in Germany (where I've been living for 6 years -- and yes I DO speak German fluently), there are more freedoms than in America in issues involving America's 'hot-button' moral issues, like sex or alcohol (just examples), but most Americans cannot imagine the game Castle Wolfenstein being illegal (not just restricted) in the original version because there are Swastikas in it. Never mind that the game isn't pro-Nazi by a long shot.
But that's all tit for tat; China IS less free than the above countries by any measure. You might argue about the justification for the lack of freedoms (like the Germans do about their restriction on Nazi stuff, and the Americans about our Alcohol laws), but I can't think of any aspect of life in China where you have more Freedom than in any given Western European or North American country. I'd be happy to be corrected.
-chris
For Communist governments only? I don't think so... Or are we a bit hypocritical as usual?
It's not hypocritical to say China is totalitarian just because Western democracies haven't achieved a utopian level of Freedom. Just because, say, the U.S is at 6 on a Freedom scale of 1-10 doesn't mean it's not appropriate to criticize China for being at 3. Afterall, Americans criticize their own government in that respect all the time.
-chris
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we need a metamoderate choice: stupid.
For those who don't get it, the parent post (currently at 0) has been moderated offtopic and flamebait.
For the brain-damaged: Antimatter... how does this matter? Get it?
Jeez. (using my +2 to keep the thread visible.)
The explanation is: NASA didn't want to direct their cameras on Mordor (which we now know is locate in New Zealand) since Sauron might have taken control of the satellites. Where would we be then? I applaud NASA's foresight in this matter.
:-)
well...
alright, actually they're only cropped off on the BBC site, the original pictures are complete, so blame BBC
-chris
...to learn that there are in fact many people who can use a computer and can't spell a single word in English.
When you (the US) have a big dog, you put a pinch (or shock) collar on him, and you jerk it hard (or shock him) when he *starts* to get out of line. You can let up a little, but only when he has a compelling fear of disproportionate retribution. Corporations are less like people who deserve rights, and more like dangerous, powerful animals that must be attended to with preemptive stewardship. Emotions, values, and ethics are not present in the brains of reptiles or boardrooms.
Beautiful metaphor!!!
By that argument, Frank Sinatra was no good, because he didn't write his material.
Precisely.
At least, nothing more impressive than a good voice; and good voices are a dime a dozen.
-Chris
If you weren't posting during a time of great grief and a tragedy that strikes at every peaceful country in the world, I'd impolitely remediate your ignorance.
So this was polite then, was it?
chris
Ok, it's pedantic, but it's bothering me. Superconductors don't have a resistance very near zero, they have a resistance that's exactly zero.
Maybe ideally, but I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as absolutely zero resistance (you know, thermodynamics and all that).
Chris
Small followup:
Bzzzzt. Sorry, thanks for playing though. Its is a possesive pronoun; pronouns aren't modified by the genetive ending ('s). If we apply your 'logic' than it should be he's instead of his and I's instead of mine, and so forth.
The 'logic' you mentioned would apply more in (here I'll use some technical terms, since you seem to value that) agglutinating languages (such as many Finno-Ugric languages), or in polysynthetic languages (such as most Eskimo languages), but it generally doesn't apply in inflectional languages (such as most Western European languages), and can't apply in isolating languages (such as Chinese).
"It's" is more technically correct
If you'd like to learn some accurate technical things about languages, I suggest you check out what the Linguists say: http://www.linguistlist.org. Afterall, they spend a bit more time thinking about this kind of stuff, and they use a little more empirical data than their own opinions.
Chris
The "correct" English usage of "its" is wrong. That it is accepted practice does not make it correct. It's a stupid rule, and I'm happy every time I see someone using the incorrect, yet more logical "it's".
Bzzzzt. Sorry, thanks for playing though. Its is a possesive pronoun; pronouns aren't modified by the genetive ending ('s). If we apply your 'logic' than it should be he's instead of his and I's instead of mine, and so forth.
Chris
gopher? such a thing has never existed, i think you mean the world wide web, or internet, as i call it
I hope that's sarcasm.
chris
Think of London (or UK in general?) as California of western Europe.
Without the nice weather.
This, I think, is what the Framers were tryting to get at with the College: a system which takes not only sheer number of votes into account, but also the distribution of those votes.
Bravo!! This is exactly correct. I get so frustrated when I read again and again that the reason for the EC was that the framers wanted to isolate the election from the people. It's very heartening to see that at least someone learned it by just looking at the election results. I'm still dissapointed that Bush will probably be the beneficiary of this system, and the selfish part of me wishes it were the popular vote for this election, but, despite that I remain a proponent of the system as it is.
Chris
Personally, I agree, witchcraft isn't a "real" religion, just a bunch of crap Alistair Crowley made up to sell books.
That may be true, but then some of us believe that Christianity is just a bunch of crap invented by Mary to convince Joseph she didn't get knocked up by a Roman soldier. That's the whole point of religious freedom: We're supposed to be able to decide for ourselves whether one particular view is just a bunch of crap.
Chris
I also work at Interwoven, and from talking to a few other people I've gathered that the official line is, "If there's a sufficient demand, we'll do it." The thing is, even though the Teamsite server has to run on Solaris or NT (including Win2k) the web server can run on just about any server OS; that includes the development webserver which can sit on a different computer than the Teamsite server.
Additionally, most of Interwoven's customers are Big Business, namely companies which run pretty heterogenuous computing environments (from what I've seen), meaning that of those who are running webservers on 'other' OSes, such as Linux, they will always have at least some Solaris or NT boxes 'lying around'. This adds up to very little demand from customers for other ports thus far. At least that's the way I interpret the situation.
I would love to have a Linux port myself since only Sparc Solaris is supported meaning I have to run the NT version on my Laptop -- No offense to NT fans, I just prefer to work in a unix-like environment; and yes I'm aware of Cygwin, but *sigh* it's just not the same.
Everything in this post is my personal opinion and does not represent an official position from Interwoven.
Chris