It's a different program (the error reporting program) that is phoning home.
And before anyone gets huffy about phoning home, I also have talkback.exe on the XP machine which is the mozilla talkback/feedback agent. So it is not only MS that does this sort of stuff.
This is what I have in my firewall logs from a WinXP error reporting event (and no, I didn't know until reviewing my logs that I was blocking this outgoing connection...)
Blocked: Out TCP, localhost:4599->207.68.166.243:80, Owner: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DWWIN.EXE
Notice that the outgoing connection is going to a Port 80 address.
I think the key is to activate/use IE first and then do MSN Explorer.
Or, if you really want to be sneaky, uninstall MSN EXPLORER (it was an optional program when I was doing my XP upgrade--so you don't need to install it in the first place) and just use IE.
Not only your areas, but there is an IBM Microelectronics plant in the Burlington, Vermont area (the plant is about 3 hours away from Albany) and in southern Quebec.
IBM is Vermont's largest private employer. And it just weathered 1500 in job cuts. At least *you're* lucky enough to live in a state whose government officials actively recruits IBM and wants them to develop and grow there.
I will presently refrain from making comments about those with high user ids missing out on juicy/. tidbits like that.;-P
Jon should know about Time's target audience....
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The target audience of most major media, from your daily paper to Time and CNN, is the appliance-and-car acquiring middle class, who seem to like their politics tepid and lite, the way AOL users like their Net. With media so firmly in the grip of market research, it's tough to know what they might cover if they were left to their own imaginations.
I bought an IBM (EPP discount) spring 2001 to (ironically enough I guess) use as my linux box at home. While I wasn't really interested in Windows ME at time, I figured that at the very least I had an extra Win license to hold on to in case I ever needed it for a upgrade or whatnot (I still have to use Microsoft products professionally).
Anyway, the box came with no separate backup material. There's a hidden partition on the HD with ME on it, but no CD-ROM. (And the several Linux installs I've done on the drive since then haven't touched the partition--so all I'm losing is space.)
I even called IBM technical support about this issue, and after I told the guy what was going on, he strongly hinted--I guess he was afraid to tell me outgright--that if I wanted a backup CD, I would have to "prove" that the HD was malfunctioning, which I wasn't in the mood to do at the time.
But hey, at least IBM was thoughtful enough to include a backup CD of Lotus Notes! woo hoo!
I had read the Reg article earlier today and I thought that it was spot on for a whole host of reasons.
First off, I want to explain to you that I don't I program, instead I teach your average everyday (mostly) adult about computers. My classes range from absolute introductory to using PowerPoint to Introductory Linux to certain certfications that I won't mention here. There's such an incredible shortage of capable, personable instructors for technical subjects that my bosses fight over me and my average hourly salary rivals those of professional programmers. And while I do consider myself a geek, I don't possess a masters in CS just a BA and a few certifications. (If you don't believe me, then check the salary surveys for trainers.)
When I first went into the classroom and began teaching, I went in and prepared a lecture for the class. Boy, did I get an earful. Adults don't want to be lectured to and they sure as hell want to know *why* they have to learn to do X or whatever (and not just because you have to). In all of my classes, I make sure that the students are able to do some in class exercises where they can ask why are we doing this and that they feel free to ask any questions --no matter if it is my Intro class or my Linux classes.
Anyway, the point that I wanted to drive home to you all is that I think the next stage of the Linux revolution (as it may be) lies with the instructors. The early adapters have already adapted and besides the persistent PC tech who is telling his boss that he should try Linux, the future is with us instructors who fight (and yes, I have had to specifically search for a program which would allow me to *gasp* install linux on a few machines) to teach the subject. Not to mention that there isn't too much in the way of available Linux course curriculums to base my classes on.
So, here's my admonition to all of you: If you know it, teach it (even if it a little itty bitty bit). And when you teach it, be enthusiastic and remember that not every one of your students will have the same passion and drive and reasons for being in your classroom as you do.
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I happen to live in a rural, not so populated part of the country, so you can either go MLS or go FSBO, there are no other options. Now, in my state, real estate transactions are routinely handled by lawyers (from what I understand this is not the case in others) who can do everything from writing the offer with you, negotiations and closing--thusly you don't need a realtor if you are going FSBO.
I wouldn't be so critical about the MLS system if they had it set up that you could access it as a buyer without a realtor, but still work with the selling realtor (and they can go get their 3% or whatever). As it is here, this is a no go because dual agency is an allowed practice. So, whatever.
Finally, well duh that I don't agree with you. It took me 9 months, two different buyer broker contracts, and two prior failed bids to finally get a home (which was worth it). Believe me, I didn't feel one ounce of guilt when I started finally thinking of a FSBO home. I was kind of mad that I didn't think of it sooner.
I bought a house in a real tough market last year and the Net didn't help a bit and I will tell you why. First, in most states in the US, there are two ways of selling real estate, you can either do it through a realtor who takes a comission off of your sale price or you can do a For Sale By Owner sale, which you list the property yourself.
The nasty part about realtors is this. Unless you are in a buyer's market, those properties that you see online are usually days or weeks old. Under the Multiple Listing Service guidelines (at least in my state) Realtors can sit on a property for three days before ever listing it on MLS. This is a big drawback for people who are trying to find houses on their own. And of course, you can't get to the updated MLS service at all unless you are using a realtor--this is how realtors hook you to using them (read:monopoly). So, people who are using the listing realtor or agency as a buyer's agent are usually getting first dibs on properties you may never see (it depends on the laws of your state if this is allowed).
Now, of course you can save yourself the realtor fees if you attempt to find a FSBO property (as a buyer, you can approach a FSBO property with a realtor, but you'll be charged half commission). I bought my house this way, actually by word of mouth. But let's face it, FSBO only really works well if it is a strong seller's market, thusly, making the costs of publicity--through the local paper, on a local FSBO website, etc. well worth the frustration factor.
All in all, I would definitely buy FSBO again (you do need a good lawyer) but I wouldn't depend on online listings unless the real estate market was moving fast.
MLP=Mindless Link Propagation. Articles that have very little writeup and one or more links that you must follow to understand the main point are classified as such (similar to the majority of/. stories).
Thusly, there's always readers who argue in editorial posts wether or not an article qualifies for such a classification because of the length of the writeup.
If I understood the agreement correctly, all OSDN is doing is serving up ads on k5. For example, the agreement that rusty et. al. has with OSDN allows k5 to forbid certain ads, etc. Rusty, Inoshiro and a few others are being paid for ad views but that is the extent of the OSDN influence (not accounting for the sporadic article from Roblimo).
The US military was just doing what it loves to do, find any way to push the limits, to get to
the edge of what's legal and forget about the intent.
Ummm, honey, in a word, NO. First, the US plane was in International airspace, not Chinese. So, I suppose that the US does not have a right to fly in International airspace? Secondly, the Chinese have spyplanes which do the same exact mission, except that little fact isn't reported by the media. Third, the intent of the spyplane was to intercept communications. If the Chinese (or anyone) else doesn't want their communications which can be intercepted by planes in International airspace then the Chinese should invest in encryption technologies, shouldn't they?
Also, the penis does not unite cultures. I'm doubting that this crisis is being perpetuated by "male egos". This is a clash of East/West political realities.
Some interesting conclusions emerge from all of this. Simple exposure to sexual imagery
doesn't appear as harmful or destructive as many politicians, moralists, educators and others
would claim, as they pass legislation requiring blocking and filtering. Nor do the clucking or
the legislation seem to have much effect. Even while Congress passes profoundly stupid laws
like the Children's Internet Protection Act...the number of adult Americans accessing sites devoted to sex seems to be growing by the day.
Katz, all I want to know is wether or not you allow your kid to access sexual imagery/porn online?? I mean, simple exposure to sexual imagery doesn't appear as harmful or destructive.... right?
First, about the popID in the HTTP header, I hate to tell you this, but I happen to know that my Earthlink IP address is "nicely" masked via my geographic POP location. Ex. cust1.citystate.etc.etc So, Earthlink in masking my IP numerics uses the city where I dialup from.
Secondly, as long as they don't make me use their in house software as a condition of using their service, I don't care what they develop. I like Earthlink because they do actively support LINUX/PPP connections with very little hassle. I understand that these folks are having support issues, especially that they just ate a number of the remaining clueless lusers from mindspring and onemain.com. Oh, and another thing, that Sandbox screenshot is old. Member start pages (that blue page) were changed in Jan/Feb.
Third, has anyone stopped to think that perhaps the PGP encryption during install might be a new subscribers CC number and other personally identifiying information? Wouldn't that make sense?
Remember, this is the same guy who sponsored the Boucher bill which allowed the mere public onto the Internet in 1992 (the bill which changed the NSF use policy). The elder Bush signed it into law in November of 1992.
So, if anyone is supposed to be clueful about these sorts of things, I would expect that it would be Congressman Boucher from VA.
Before I forget, there is also another Boucher in Congress (Missouri? I think), which is why the references to a DAN Boucher came about.
According to unchallenged testimony in federal court this week, Netscape distributed 160 million copies of Navigator in l998 alone. At the time, according to the appeals court testimony, there were approximately 100 million Net users, which means every one could have
acquired Netscape's product if they wanted to. Is it true that these users were not free to
choose Netscape?
Jon, walk for a bit in my shoes (currently, they're size 8 womens LL Bean big-ass snow boots, but I digress...). I'll demonstrate to you why people were not free to choose Navigator.
First, MS designed the Explorer program to be integrated into the OS in methods that you are grieviously omitting. For those of you who don't know this, the same basic "explorer" program engine (for lack of a better word) runs both Internet Explorer and Windows Explorer (the file management program). The programs look and run the basically the same. For example, if you are running IE, you have the ability to browse AND MANAGE your local hard drive, just like in Windows Explorer. Now since MS also include that crappy My Computer program in their OS too, why did they allow their web browser to MANAGE FILES/FOLDERS? Explain this to me with a straight face please.
Secondly, in regards to the "freedom" that someone would have to install navigator onto their OS, that task requires the ABILITY to find, download and install the program in question . Out of those 100 million net users, how many do you think could have accomplished this? I thought that PCs and the Internet were supposed to be "easy to use"? Isn't that in itself a huge disincentive for consumers to use Navigator instead???? (And to you/. folks, don't give me the bull---- line about "they should know how". I'm talking newbies, not 31337 folks like you.)
Finally, all of you who manage Win98 boxes know how friggin difficult it is to get rid of that IE program. I'm not talking about deleting the shortcut off of the desktop--I'm talking about annihilating the sucker off of the OS. How many places does that program hide in the OS?? Let me count the ways... On the desktop, notice that the IE shortcut sits right next to all of the other Win essential programs like My Computer, Network Neighborhood, whatever. This is on purpose. MS designed Explorer to be considered as an essential part of the OS (for the average users they covet)--make no mistake about it.
So, please, tell me how free the average PC user was to choose Navigator instead...
I heard that the editors of the book will place an asterisk (*) by your name to indicate that you've moved out of your parent's basement and gotten laid.
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And before anyone gets huffy about phoning home, I also have talkback.exe on the XP machine which is the mozilla talkback/feedback agent. So it is not only MS that does this sort of stuff.
Blocked: Out TCP, localhost:4599->207.68.166.243:80, Owner: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DWWIN.EXE
Notice that the outgoing connection is going to a Port 80 address.
Or, if you really want to be sneaky, uninstall MSN EXPLORER (it was an optional program when I was doing my XP upgrade--so you don't need to install it in the first place) and just use IE.
Thanks.
IBM is Vermont's largest private employer. And it just weathered 1500 in job cuts. At least *you're* lucky enough to live in a state whose government officials actively recruits IBM and wants them to develop and grow there.
This move to have a research center near RPI does not surprise me.
are you using? Do you like them?
For more reading, his blog about politics and other musings is instapundit.com.
Now, I'd love to see that slashdotted!
I will presently refrain from making comments about those with high user ids missing out on juicy
appliance-and-car acquiring middle class, who seem to like their politics tepid and lite, the way AOL
users like their Net. With media so firmly in the grip of market research, it's tough to know what they might cover if they were left to their own imaginations.
Hey, Jon, does this look familiar?
What's wrong? Your agent can't land you another Time gig?
Anyway, the box came with no separate backup material. There's a hidden partition on the HD with ME on it, but no CD-ROM. (And the several Linux installs I've done on the drive since then haven't touched the partition--so all I'm losing is space.)
I even called IBM technical support about this issue, and after I told the guy what was going on, he strongly hinted--I guess he was afraid to tell me outgright--that if I wanted a backup CD, I would have to "prove" that the HD was malfunctioning, which I wasn't in the mood to do at the time.
But hey, at least IBM was thoughtful enough to include a backup CD of Lotus Notes! woo hoo!
First off, I want to explain to you that I don't I program, instead I teach your average everyday (mostly) adult about computers. My classes range from absolute introductory to using PowerPoint to Introductory Linux to certain certfications that I won't mention here. There's such an incredible shortage of capable, personable instructors for technical subjects that my bosses fight over me and my average hourly salary rivals those of professional programmers. And while I do consider myself a geek, I don't possess a masters in CS just a BA and a few certifications. (If you don't believe me, then check the salary surveys for trainers.)
When I first went into the classroom and began teaching, I went in and prepared a lecture for the class. Boy, did I get an earful. Adults don't want to be lectured to and they sure as hell want to know *why* they have to learn to do X or whatever (and not just because you have to). In all of my classes, I make sure that the students are able to do some in class exercises where they can ask why are we doing this and that they feel free to ask any questions --no matter if it is my Intro class or my Linux classes.
Anyway, the point that I wanted to drive home to you all is that I think the next stage of the Linux revolution (as it may be) lies with the instructors. The early adapters have already adapted and besides the persistent PC tech who is telling his boss that he should try Linux, the future is with us instructors who fight (and yes, I have had to specifically search for a program which would allow me to *gasp* install linux on a few machines) to teach the subject. Not to mention that there isn't too much in the way of available Linux course curriculums to base my classes on.
So, here's my admonition to all of you: If you know it, teach it (even if it a little itty bitty bit). And when you teach it, be enthusiastic and remember that not every one of your students will have the same passion and drive and reasons for being in your classroom as you do.
DECEMBER is coming soon enough.... ;-p
I wouldn't be so critical about the MLS system if they had it set up that you could access it as a buyer without a realtor, but still work with the selling realtor (and they can go get their 3% or whatever). As it is here, this is a no go because dual agency is an allowed practice. So, whatever.
Finally, well duh that I don't agree with you. It took me 9 months, two different buyer broker contracts, and two prior failed bids to finally get a home (which was worth it). Believe me, I didn't feel one ounce of guilt when I started finally thinking of a FSBO home. I was kind of mad that I didn't think of it sooner.
The nasty part about realtors is this. Unless you are in a buyer's market, those properties that you see online are usually days or weeks old. Under the Multiple Listing Service guidelines (at least in my state) Realtors can sit on a property for three days before ever listing it on MLS. This is a big drawback for people who are trying to find houses on their own. And of course, you can't get to the updated MLS service at all unless you are using a realtor--this is how realtors hook you to using them (read:monopoly). So, people who are using the listing realtor or agency as a buyer's agent are usually getting first dibs on properties you may never see (it depends on the laws of your state if this is allowed).
Now, of course you can save yourself the realtor fees if you attempt to find a FSBO property (as a buyer, you can approach a FSBO property with a realtor, but you'll be charged half commission). I bought my house this way, actually by word of mouth. But let's face it, FSBO only really works well if it is a strong seller's market, thusly, making the costs of publicity--through the local paper, on a local FSBO website, etc. well worth the frustration factor.
All in all, I would definitely buy FSBO again (you do need a good lawyer) but I wouldn't depend on online listings unless the real estate market was moving fast.
Thusly, there's always readers who argue in editorial posts wether or not an article qualifies for such a classification because of the length of the writeup.
I*must*get*to*kuro5hin*or*I*will*go*mad.....
If I understood the agreement correctly, all OSDN is doing is serving up ads on k5. For example, the agreement that rusty et. al. has with OSDN allows k5 to forbid certain ads, etc. Rusty, Inoshiro and a few others are being paid for ad views but that is the extent of the OSDN influence (not accounting for the sporadic article from Roblimo).
Ummm, honey, in a word, NO. First, the US plane was in International airspace, not Chinese. So, I suppose that the US does not have a right to fly in International airspace? Secondly, the Chinese have spyplanes which do the same exact mission, except that little fact isn't reported by the media. Third, the intent of the spyplane was to intercept communications. If the Chinese (or anyone) else doesn't want their communications which can be intercepted by planes in International airspace then the Chinese should invest in encryption technologies, shouldn't they?
Also, the penis does not unite cultures. I'm doubting that this crisis is being perpetuated by "male egos". This is a clash of East/West political realities.
Katz, all I want to know is wether or not you allow your kid to access sexual imagery/porn online?? I mean, simple exposure to sexual imagery doesn't appear as harmful or destructive.... right?
Secondly, as long as they don't make me use their in house software as a condition of using their service, I don't care what they develop. I like Earthlink because they do actively support LINUX/PPP connections with very little hassle. I understand that these folks are having support issues, especially that they just ate a number of the remaining clueless lusers from mindspring and onemain.com. Oh, and another thing, that Sandbox screenshot is old. Member start pages (that blue page) were changed in Jan/Feb.
Third, has anyone stopped to think that perhaps the PGP encryption during install might be a new subscribers CC number and other personally identifiying information? Wouldn't that make sense?
So, if anyone is supposed to be clueful about these sorts of things, I would expect that it would be Congressman Boucher from VA.
Before I forget, there is also another Boucher in Congress (Missouri? I think), which is why the references to a DAN Boucher came about.
Jon, walk for a bit in my shoes (currently, they're size 8 womens LL Bean big-ass snow boots, but I digress...). I'll demonstrate to you why people were not free to choose Navigator.
First, MS designed the Explorer program to be integrated into the OS in methods that you are grieviously omitting. For those of you who don't know this, the same basic "explorer" program engine (for lack of a better word) runs both Internet Explorer and Windows Explorer (the file management program). The programs look and run the basically the same. For example, if you are running IE, you have the ability to browse AND MANAGE your local hard drive, just like in Windows Explorer. Now since MS also include that crappy My Computer program in their OS too, why did they allow their web browser to MANAGE FILES/FOLDERS? Explain this to me with a straight face please.
Secondly, in regards to the "freedom" that someone would have to install navigator onto their OS, that task requires the ABILITY to find, download and install the program in question . Out of those 100 million net users, how many do you think could have accomplished this? I thought that PCs and the Internet were supposed to be "easy to use"? Isn't that in itself a huge disincentive for consumers to use Navigator instead???? (And to you /. folks, don't give me the bull---- line about "they should know how". I'm talking newbies, not 31337 folks like you.)
Finally, all of you who manage Win98 boxes know how friggin difficult it is to get rid of that IE program. I'm not talking about deleting the shortcut off of the desktop--I'm talking about annihilating the sucker off of the OS. How many places does that program hide in the OS?? Let me count the ways... On the desktop, notice that the IE shortcut sits right next to all of the other Win essential programs like My Computer, Network Neighborhood, whatever. This is on purpose. MS designed Explorer to be considered as an essential part of the OS (for the average users they covet)--make no mistake about it.
So, please, tell me how free the average PC user was to choose Navigator instead...
I heard that the editors of the book will place an asterisk (*) by your name to indicate that you've moved out of your parent's basement and gotten laid.