I do, but in a different way. I don't use the bookmarking system built into any browser. I run a bookmark server myself, so no matter what browser I'm using, or where I'm using it, I always have my bookmarks available.
Seriously, how can you tolerate Chrome (same goes for Pale Moon, for some weird reasons) on Android?
I have a hard time tolerating Chrome on the desktop, let alone on a phone.
But there are a number of browsers for Android outside of the Firefox, and Chrome. There's certainly room for improvement -- none of the ones I've tried are exactly wonderful -- but I did manage to find one that's adequate for my needs (Boat). I don't use my phone much for the web, though, so my needs are pretty basic.
For the device itself, yes, but I'm assuming that there's software on the phone itself that is involved as well. The fact that the device doesn't directly connect to the internet doesn't mean much when the phone can.
You could avoid updating that too, of course. I'm in no way saying that this is an unmanageable security situation.
Except, the huge volume of pee running down the legs of all the 'Web Developer' script kiddies whose cherished scripts would no longer run on everybody elses' computers.
Have any relatives who bought their own Windows laptop or tablet in the past year? You might be surprised...
I don't know about that. I have a few non-technical friends who bought new Win 10 laptops recently, and among the first things each one of them did was to install Chrome.
No, you're not alone. The last time I tried it, Firefox on Android was essentially unusable. It may have improved since then, I don't know -- I found a different browser that works well enough for me purposes, so never felt the need to try Firefox again.
Yeah, how dare my favourite character take a swig from a red Coke can instead of a fuschia Cooke can. Took me right out!
Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about. However, when most scenes contain a prominent product whose label is always facing me, that catches my eye. Worst of all is when the show pretty much comes to a screeching halt in order to do what amounts to an overt commercial
Do tell.
The most egregious was the show "Bones", which I really enjoyed overall, but the "stop the show to do a commercial" thing made it unwatchable. Cutting away to a real interstitial would have been far better.
I don't know. Firefox, with all its cred on desktop computers has pretty low marketshare on Android
Firefox burned its cred years ago. That's why they have one of the lowest shares of the desktop browser market, and why they're making such a huge deal out of Firefox 57.
Since I just bashed Firefox, I feel the need to toss in a compliment: after trying the beta, it could actually meet my needs! It's not as awful as I feared, and fixes a lot of the problems Firefox has had. The only reason I'm not using it as my daily driver now is the lack of NoScript. Assuming that the port of NoScript won't lose functionality that's important to me, I'll switch over as soon as it's available.
Presumably some security researcher will check it out and make sure it can't do anything it's not supposed to.
Correct. This would count as "not taking their word for it.". But it's also entering into territory that's a real hassle -- you can't just test once and be done done with it, you have to test frequently -- or at the very least, you have to retest every time the operating system or relevant apps update.
What I don't understand is why so many of you are afraid of logging yourselves.
I'm not, broadly speaking, but it is of rather limited utility to me.
However, I certainly am afraid of using any third-party application or online service to do it. I can't trust any of those companies. It might be true that most of them are OK, but it's also true that it's pretty damned hard to tell which ones are OK and which ones aren't.
While I am concerned about all spying, I am much less concerned about foreign powers spying on me than domestic ones. Foreign powers are much less able to do me harm that domestic powers.
...but screw Netflix. I am not going to support one of the three companies who were the primary forces behind making the EME part of the HTML5 standard.
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I do, but in a different way. I don't use the bookmarking system built into any browser. I run a bookmark server myself, so no matter what browser I'm using, or where I'm using it, I always have my bookmarks available.
Seriously, how can you tolerate Chrome (same goes for Pale Moon, for some weird reasons) on Android?
I have a hard time tolerating Chrome on the desktop, let alone on a phone.
But there are a number of browsers for Android outside of the Firefox, and Chrome. There's certainly room for improvement -- none of the ones I've tried are exactly wonderful -- but I did manage to find one that's adequate for my needs (Boat). I don't use my phone much for the web, though, so my needs are pretty basic.
For the device itself, yes, but I'm assuming that there's software on the phone itself that is involved as well. The fact that the device doesn't directly connect to the internet doesn't mean much when the phone can.
You could avoid updating that too, of course. I'm in no way saying that this is an unmanageable security situation.
Even the old ones are still pretty great.
Well, the example I provided in an earlier comment disproves that: Bones did precisely this.
Ummm... why not just learn Spanish?
There's nothing wrong with it if it doesn't bother you. Keep watching!
There's also nothing wrong with the fact that it bothers me. I just won't be watching. No big loss, really.
Yes, it's been around for at least as long as me, but it's only in the past five or ten years that it became actually intrusive.
Why do you think I didn't read that? I did, but there's two points to be made here:
First, I'm not going to believe it just because they said it. That claim needs to be tested and verified.
Second, that can change at any time.
Except, the huge volume of pee running down the legs of all the 'Web Developer' script kiddies whose cherished scripts would no longer run on everybody elses' computers.
That would be icing on the cake!
Have any relatives who bought their own Windows laptop or tablet in the past year? You might be surprised...
I don't know about that. I have a few non-technical friends who bought new Win 10 laptops recently, and among the first things each one of them did was to install Chrome.
No, you're not alone. The last time I tried it, Firefox on Android was essentially unusable. It may have improved since then, I don't know -- I found a different browser that works well enough for me purposes, so never felt the need to try Firefox again.
but really YouTube is the competition
YouTube has the same problem as Netflix on this count.
The three companies who forced the EME nonsense through were Netflix, Google, and Microsoft.
Yeah, how dare my favourite character take a swig from a red Coke can instead of a fuschia Cooke can. Took me right out!
Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about. However, when most scenes contain a prominent product whose label is always facing me, that catches my eye. Worst of all is when the show pretty much comes to a screeching halt in order to do what amounts to an overt commercial
Do tell.
The most egregious was the show "Bones", which I really enjoyed overall, but the "stop the show to do a commercial" thing made it unwatchable. Cutting away to a real interstitial would have been far better.
I don't know. Firefox, with all its cred on desktop computers has pretty low marketshare on Android
Firefox burned its cred years ago. That's why they have one of the lowest shares of the desktop browser market, and why they're making such a huge deal out of Firefox 57.
Since I just bashed Firefox, I feel the need to toss in a compliment: after trying the beta, it could actually meet my needs! It's not as awful as I feared, and fixes a lot of the problems Firefox has had. The only reason I'm not using it as my daily driver now is the lack of NoScript. Assuming that the port of NoScript won't lose functionality that's important to me, I'll switch over as soon as it's available.
Why? Are there really people who are going to use it?
Product placement does not pull you out of a show
It doesn't take up much time, true, but it certainly does pull me out of the show quite often.
There are numerous shows that I had to stop watching altogether because the product placement was far too disruptive.
Presumably some security researcher will check it out and make sure it can't do anything it's not supposed to.
Correct. This would count as "not taking their word for it.". But it's also entering into territory that's a real hassle -- you can't just test once and be done done with it, you have to test frequently -- or at the very least, you have to retest every time the operating system or relevant apps update.
Except even full unicode support doesn't turn out to deliver that.
Yes, Unicode is pretty much a total nightmare to use properly (from a development point of view).
But we have no other realistic option to it yet.
Perhaps not, but how much do you trust the people they are supplying that information to?
Siphoning my bank account isn't one of my worries. That's a pretty easy problem to mitigate.
What I don't understand is why so many of you are afraid of logging yourselves.
I'm not, broadly speaking, but it is of rather limited utility to me.
However, I certainly am afraid of using any third-party application or online service to do it. I can't trust any of those companies. It might be true that most of them are OK, but it's also true that it's pretty damned hard to tell which ones are OK and which ones aren't.
I doubt they're lying, but it seems risky to assume they aren't.
Do you really actually think that anyone cares about anything you do?
If they don't care, then why do they put so much time and effort into spying?
It's a valid point.
While I am concerned about all spying, I am much less concerned about foreign powers spying on me than domestic ones. Foreign powers are much less able to do me harm that domestic powers.
...but screw Netflix. I am not going to support one of the three companies who were the primary forces behind making the EME part of the HTML5 standard.