Spam doesn't have to be unsolicited. Consider the following conversation:
Man: Morning! Waitress: Morning! Man: Well, what've you got? Waitress: Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam; Vikings: Spam spam spam spam... Waitress:...spam spam spam egg and spam; spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans spam spam spam... Vikings: Spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Waitress:...or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and spam.
The Man made a request for information ("signed up"), yet was undoubtedly spammed. And this by Vikings.
Consider further:
Imagine you receive 5 junk e-mails per day from a site you've never been to. You make a remark to your friend about receiving spam messages. He suggests that you visit the website that is sending you the spam so you can officially sign up for their mailing list. That way, he suggests, it will no longer be spam.
This isn't entirely meant to be humorous... the term "spam" doesn't become inapplicable when someone asks to be spammed.
What about GRE, IP-in-IP/IP6-in-IP, and tunnel mode AH for IPSec? These are all common tunneling mechanisms that do not use encryption, though as you said, they'd have to be supported in the software. I'm prepared to be wrong on this as I don't work with small business equipment, but I would imagine the lowest end boxes that will provide an IPSec VPN will let you do an AH-only tunnel.
Interestingly, some open source IPSec implementations will even allow "encryptionless" ESP tunnels, using "null" ciphers for the ESP encryption. The (old) setkey utility for Linux (and BSD?) allows you to set this, though other utilities will not. Not very useful for anything, but it's another example.
but the consequences of merely possessing one of the interface controllers needed to communicate on the.. er.. somewhat sinister legacy ring bus that Sauron uses are so horrific that security through obscurity has proven more than adequate.
I've never played SC2, but I enjoy watching it sometimes because a talented commentator can bring so much life to the game. Having played other RTSes in the past, I can understand what's going on to a degree by myself, but a great commentary to go with a game adds so much.
By the way, it's amusing that this should be posted on FUNDAY MONDAY: look up "day9 funday monday" if you need a compelling reason why SC2 can be fun to watch.
You're interested in what having source code can do for your business. The OpenCores community is interested in having free hardware. These are two very different interests. People who have different interests than you are not stupid. If you're old enough to talk about your business, you're old enough to grow up and realize that you don't have it all figured out.
This is Stallmanism as its worst--"freedom" for freedom's sake without regard to functionality or practicality
All I will say about this is it is rather shocking to hear this statement being cast in a negative light.
Closed source is giving a man a fish (I agree) Open source is teaching a man to fish (which I believe would encompass teaching the necessary pole technology)
I like your analogy. It clearly shows the difference between open and closed source.
Thinking about it now for a while, I may use it in discussions, with this tweak:
Closed source is giving a man a fish Open source is letting a man watch you fish Code + documentation is showing a man how to fish
The extent to which code is self-documenting is the extent to which the fisherman gives you hard-won pointers between sips of beer. For technical discussions, this drills home the point of writing readable code and documenting what you've done:)
It's just the OneNote that's the main sticking point with their argument now - I can't find any alternative...
Have you thought of running wiki software on the mac? Either some standalone wiki program or a lightweight webserver running something like mediawiki (the freely available wiki that Wikipedia uses). In the latter case, your son could edit the wiki through his web browser, and share with his friends.
From what I understand of OneNote, about the only thing missing would be the user experience and the ability to type anywhere on the page.
NASCAR, American Idol, and Supersize portions: the opium of the people
Who can forget the elegant prose of modern-day philosopher Marl "More!" Karx's famous lines concerning NASCAR...
... The burp of the oppressed creature, the beer of the beerless situation, and the fire of fireless collisions...
Criticism [of NASCAR] has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall get off his ass once a year on the 4th of July to get drunk and watch some huge explosions.
Doesn't anyone on slashdot take things seriously anymore? You're probably sipping your coffee and laughing -- but coffee contains very high quantities of dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), which can kill in high amounts. See here:
Thanks to careful forethought, most grocery stores sell DHMO-free coffee. This is also why Starbucks puts so much other crap in theirs -- a lot less room for DHMO.
I have read Wizard's First Rule. It was very good, and Goodkind is a great writer, but in my opinion it was not of the same stuff as LotR. I can see how someone wouldn't want to read through pages of made-up elvish history -- for that and other reasons, I can totally see how Tolkien wouldn't be the first choice for some. For a while (60 years ago), LotR some of the only mainstream pure fantasy around -- now there are lots of options. Nothing really objective to share here, but I do have one "real" reason why I personally prefer LotR.
One thing LotR had: it impresses me when a book doesn't have to (or doesn't try to) use sex to make it more interesting. WFR was good as it was written (and would have been even without the innuendo and many explicit sexual parts -- I'm not saying it was relying on that). But it still bugs me -- through any book like that, I can't help but feeling the author is using a guaranteed method of hooking people in, especially at the start of a series. Other books have sex in them to make a statement about it or in passing or illustrate a relationship or whatever -- but it was used heavily as a plot device in WFR.
If people like it, for that other reasons -- that's fine, I have no problem with that. I'm just too aware of the possibility to enjoy it as much as I would otherwise. Didn't continue the Sword of Truth series. But like I said, I agree that it was a well written book and it had a good story.
Tolkien's work was more innocent -- just very dark. Like a spooky bedtime/fireside story. Good stuff.
Though maybe Tolkien just didn't have the chance to use the technique Goodkind used -- nobody wants to hear about hobbit sex, and if Aragorn got more than a kiss from Arwen before he was king, he'd be a Shelob Kabob after Elrond was through with him... Any scene with the ents would take too long... and I don't want to think about what poor Merry and Pippin would have had to do when they were caught in the forest... ! (And I'll keep it civil by stopping there. LOL)
So wrong!
And even more wrong: getting me to talk about fantasy sex in a thread about Bill Gates (or as I'll call him, Darken Bill).
Ahem -- now, to bring this all together and get 8% back on topic:
"Kids are kids" is the reason why it's okay for one to accuse a teacher of being a pedophile?
No, to take that away as the message is to miss the argument.
The children behaved wrongly and should be helped to learn as much as they can from screwing up like they have. Part of this is punishment. I think the suspensions are fine, though three days is plenty.
What the children would really benefit from is an off-line discussion with the teacher about their actions, then they can use the suspension as time to let it sink in. Do you think the teachers are going to sit down with the kids and help to cement a valuable life lesson, like real educators and mentors? I doubt it. Same goes for the parents.
Punishment is an accepted step in teaching children how to behave, last I checked.
The poster is not saying don't punish the kids; the point is that the execution is misguided.
A 12 year old child does not have the same knowledge of right and wrong that a respectable adult has. Most 12 year old's knowledge of right and wrong is essentially this: was I told to do this, or not. This is an opportunity to help the kids understand *why* something is right and wrong, because they just screwed up big time and you have the time to make a point that they will actually listen to. This is what it means to be an educator, whether you are a teacher or a parent.
Punishment is just a first step in helping a child learn from their mistakes. If that's where the guidance ends, one had better "hope" they don't do it again, because praying is the only chance there is. They'll just learn to not get caught.
What is happening here is worse than all of that -- one student is being expelled, which is another way to say "it's not our problem." The rest are being threatened with expulsion or movement into a school for people with behavioral problems if they try to escalate the issue. This is not the way to help kids grow.
I'd love to see the teachers step in and say something behind the scenes to actually turn this into a lesson that these kids can learn from. The teachers need to resolve this with the children in a stern but loving way. That's what conflict resolution is. That's what children need to grow. The way the rulebook is getting thrown around is absurd, there is no need for it. Shame on the teachers, principals, and parents for how they handled this -- I hope they *learn from it*.
Except this isn't analogous to talking about a teacher during recess, it's more like posting flyers on telephone poles near the school.
I half-agree with the analogy, because the effect of posting such a thing on Facebook is agreeably far wider-reaching than schoolyard chat. However, I think making a facebook comment is as off-hand as a child saying such a thing at recess.
This is what I mean: If facebook and so on were not around, I don't really think the kids would have posted their thoughts on fliers on telephone poles near the school. Do you? They would have said it at recess or in the halls or on a note, like most normal children have been doing for years and years.
Global communication has traits of both... it's incredibly easy to create a huge audience.
Kids should be expected to use their brains about the ramifications of powerful technology, but it won't always happen. The question is how to deal with it. Expulsion is the response that says: "I don't want to deal with it." I think that is very rarely an acceptable answer for a system which we expect to educate our young people. It should only be used when someone's little snot has repeatedly interfered with other children's lives. Off-curriculum social lessons are far more influencing and important to the rest of a person's life than any subject covered in seventh grade.
Throwing the rule book at a student does not take the place of guidance. Use it when guidance repeatedly fails.
This was a response to the article on zdnet, written by "stevey_d":
Lawyers make every argument adversarial. This is unethical and divides people whereas they should learn to live better with each other.
Children often talk in terms like this about teachers, it's normal. What isn't normal is for the teacher to overhear it (or, if they do, they have the nous to develop bad hearing). This is the same for management in an organization. The only thing here is that the kids didn't figure any adults would intrude on their personal conversation.
The school and the teachers have been ill advised here, someone could have quitely taken the kids to one side, explained the public nature of the chat, and helped them make it hidden or deleted. (enforce privacy).
This whole case is ridiculous. Kids are kids, they don't always know how to behave, they make mistakes. The adults in the situation were clearly not mature enough in their response. Adversarial relationship no, should very rarely have anything to do with school/kids.
"...the one I thought was the best of the best was sh. From this single interface, you could administer everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - on your Linux box. From the kernel on up, you could take care of anything you needed.'"
Slashdot Mirror
Perhaps this has something to do with it?
http://dilbert.com/2011-10-07/
Spam is UNSOLICITED!
If people signed up for it, then it is not spam.
Spam doesn't have to be unsolicited. Consider the following conversation:
Man: Morning! ...spam spam spam egg and spam; spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans spam spam spam... ...or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and spam.
Waitress: Morning!
Man: Well, what've you got?
Waitress: Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam;
Vikings: Spam spam spam spam...
Waitress:
Vikings: Spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam!
Waitress:
The Man made a request for information ("signed up"), yet was undoubtedly spammed. And this by Vikings.
Consider further:
Imagine you receive 5 junk e-mails per day from a site you've never been to. You make a remark to your friend about receiving spam messages. He suggests that you visit the website that is sending you the spam so you can officially sign up for their mailing list. That way, he suggests, it will no longer be spam.
This isn't entirely meant to be humorous... the term "spam" doesn't become inapplicable when someone asks to be spammed.
What about GRE, IP-in-IP/IP6-in-IP, and tunnel mode AH for IPSec? These are all common tunneling mechanisms that do not use encryption, though as you said, they'd have to be supported in the software. I'm prepared to be wrong on this as I don't work with small business equipment, but I would imagine the lowest end boxes that will provide an IPSec VPN will let you do an AH-only tunnel.
Interestingly, some open source IPSec implementations will even allow "encryptionless" ESP tunnels, using "null" ciphers for the ESP encryption. The (old) setkey utility for Linux (and BSD?) allows you to set this, though other utilities will not. Not very useful for anything, but it's another example.
but the consequences of merely possessing one of the interface controllers needed to communicate on the.. er.. somewhat sinister legacy ring bus that Sauron uses are so horrific that security through obscurity has proven more than adequate.
Is that Tolkien Ring?
God bless you, Dr. Kevorkian
while (1){ fork(); ); // Hope derivatives will achieve far more success
That's the way it all feels sometimes, isn't it?
I've never played SC2, but I enjoy watching it sometimes because a talented commentator can bring so much life to the game. Having played other RTSes in the past, I can understand what's going on to a degree by myself, but a great commentary to go with a game adds so much.
By the way, it's amusing that this should be posted on FUNDAY MONDAY: look up "day9 funday monday" if you need a compelling reason why SC2 can be fun to watch.
This is stupid.
Troll much?
You're interested in what having source code can do for your business. The OpenCores community is interested in having free hardware. These are two very different interests. People who have different interests than you are not stupid. If you're old enough to talk about your business, you're old enough to grow up and realize that you don't have it all figured out.
This is Stallmanism as its worst--"freedom" for freedom's sake without regard to functionality or practicality
All I will say about this is it is rather shocking to hear this statement being cast in a negative light.
Closed source is giving a man a fish (I agree)
Open source is teaching a man to fish (which I believe would encompass teaching the necessary pole technology)
I like your analogy. It clearly shows the difference between open and closed source.
Thinking about it now for a while, I may use it in discussions, with this tweak:
Closed source is giving a man a fish
Open source is letting a man watch you fish
Code + documentation is showing a man how to fish
The extent to which code is self-documenting is the extent to which the fisherman gives you hard-won pointers between sips of beer. For technical discussions, this drills home the point of writing readable code and documenting what you've done :)
It's just the OneNote that's the main sticking point with their argument now - I can't find any alternative...
Have you thought of running wiki software on the mac? Either some standalone wiki program or a lightweight webserver running something like mediawiki (the freely available wiki that Wikipedia uses). In the latter case, your son could edit the wiki through his web browser, and share with his friends.
From what I understand of OneNote, about the only thing missing would be the user experience and the ability to type anywhere on the page.
Oh my god, did you tell them?
I would have expected to find this on TheDailyWTF.com
NASCAR, American Idol, and Supersize portions: the opium of the people
Who can forget the elegant prose of modern-day philosopher Marl "More!" Karx's famous lines concerning NASCAR ...
... The burp of the oppressed creature, the beer of the beerless situation, and the fire of fireless collisions ...
Criticism [of NASCAR] has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall get off his ass once a year on the 4th of July to get drunk and watch some huge explosions.
Unregulated coffee can be DANGEROUS.
Doesn't anyone on slashdot take things seriously anymore? You're probably sipping your coffee and laughing -- but coffee contains very high quantities of dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), which can kill in high amounts. See here:
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
Thanks to careful forethought, most grocery stores sell DHMO-free coffee. This is also why Starbucks puts so much other crap in theirs -- a lot less room for DHMO.
One thing LotR had: it impresses me when a book doesn't have to (or doesn't try to) use sex to make it more interesting. WFR was good as it was written (and would have been even without the innuendo and many explicit sexual parts -- I'm not saying it was relying on that). But it still bugs me -- through any book like that, I can't help but feeling the author is using a guaranteed method of hooking people in, especially at the start of a series. Other books have sex in them to make a statement about it or in passing or illustrate a relationship or whatever -- but it was used heavily as a plot device in WFR.
If people like it, for that other reasons -- that's fine, I have no problem with that. I'm just too aware of the possibility to enjoy it as much as I would otherwise. Didn't continue the Sword of Truth series. But like I said, I agree that it was a well written book and it had a good story.
Tolkien's work was more innocent -- just very dark. Like a spooky bedtime/fireside story. Good stuff.
Though maybe Tolkien just didn't have the chance to use the technique Goodkind used -- nobody wants to hear about hobbit sex, and if Aragorn got more than a kiss from Arwen before he was king, he'd be a Shelob Kabob after Elrond was through with him
So wrong!
And even more wrong: getting me to talk about fantasy sex in a thread about Bill Gates (or as I'll call him, Darken Bill).
Ahem -- now, to bring this all together and get 8% back on topic:
One OS to rule them all,
one OS to find them,
one OS to bring them all
and--STOP: 0x00000024 (0x00190201, 0xf24a3988, 0xf24a37c4, 0x803d38cf)
Let's hear it for redundancy and good planning.
Let's hear it for redundancy and good planning.
Agreed. At first it was just confusing, gets a bit annoying as it happens more and more. Oh well.
"Kids are kids" is the reason why it's okay for one to accuse a teacher of being a pedophile?
No, to take that away as the message is to miss the argument.
The children behaved wrongly and should be helped to learn as much as they can from screwing up like they have. Part of this is punishment. I think the suspensions are fine, though three days is plenty.
What the children would really benefit from is an off-line discussion with the teacher about their actions, then they can use the suspension as time to let it sink in. Do you think the teachers are going to sit down with the kids and help to cement a valuable life lesson, like real educators and mentors? I doubt it. Same goes for the parents.
Punishment is an accepted step in teaching children how to behave, last I checked.
The poster is not saying don't punish the kids; the point is that the execution is misguided.
A 12 year old child does not have the same knowledge of right and wrong that a respectable adult has. Most 12 year old's knowledge of right and wrong is essentially this: was I told to do this, or not. This is an opportunity to help the kids understand *why* something is right and wrong, because they just screwed up big time and you have the time to make a point that they will actually listen to. This is what it means to be an educator, whether you are a teacher or a parent.
Punishment is just a first step in helping a child learn from their mistakes. If that's where the guidance ends, one had better "hope" they don't do it again, because praying is the only chance there is. They'll just learn to not get caught.
What is happening here is worse than all of that -- one student is being expelled, which is another way to say "it's not our problem." The rest are being threatened with expulsion or movement into a school for people with behavioral problems if they try to escalate the issue. This is not the way to help kids grow.
I'd love to see the teachers step in and say something behind the scenes to actually turn this into a lesson that these kids can learn from. The teachers need to resolve this with the children in a stern but loving way. That's what conflict resolution is. That's what children need to grow. The way the rulebook is getting thrown around is absurd, there is no need for it. Shame on the teachers, principals, and parents for how they handled this -- I hope they *learn from it*.
Except this isn't analogous to talking about a teacher during recess, it's more like posting flyers on telephone poles near the school.
I half-agree with the analogy, because the effect of posting such a thing on Facebook is agreeably far wider-reaching than schoolyard chat. However, I think making a facebook comment is as off-hand as a child saying such a thing at recess.
This is what I mean: If facebook and so on were not around, I don't really think the kids would have posted their thoughts on fliers on telephone poles near the school. Do you? They would have said it at recess or in the halls or on a note, like most normal children have been doing for years and years.
Global communication has traits of both... it's incredibly easy to create a huge audience.
Kids should be expected to use their brains about the ramifications of powerful technology, but it won't always happen. The question is how to deal with it. Expulsion is the response that says: "I don't want to deal with it." I think that is very rarely an acceptable answer for a system which we expect to educate our young people. It should only be used when someone's little snot has repeatedly interfered with other children's lives. Off-curriculum social lessons are far more influencing and important to the rest of a person's life than any subject covered in seventh grade.
Throwing the rule book at a student does not take the place of guidance. Use it when guidance repeatedly fails.
This was a response to the article on zdnet, written by "stevey_d":
Lawyers make every argument adversarial. This is unethical and divides people whereas they should learn to live better with each other.
Children often talk in terms like this about teachers, it's normal. What isn't normal is for the teacher to overhear it (or, if they do, they have the nous to develop bad hearing). This is the same for management in an organization. The only thing here is that the kids didn't figure any adults would intrude on their personal conversation.
The school and the teachers have been ill advised here, someone could have quitely taken the kids to one side, explained the public nature of the chat, and helped them make it hidden or deleted. (enforce privacy).
This whole case is ridiculous. Kids are kids, they don't always know how to behave, they make mistakes. The adults in the situation were clearly not mature enough in their response. Adversarial relationship no, should very rarely have anything to do with school/kids.
"...the one I thought was the best of the best was sh. From this single interface, you could administer everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - on your Linux box. From the kernel on up, you could take care of anything you needed.'"
Reads about the same.
So, is it called Gokubi or have they upgraded to Mandarax?
Wikileaks stopped offering coffee mugs on the store because they made such a mess.
Update, 16 Feb 2011: Cisco to offer 500 Million Dollar Firewall