???? You are telling me you would rather stack shelves than have the opportunity to use your brain at least once in a while and get some decent pay? There is a word for no-ambition, go-nowheres like you: LOSER
I'm serious, if your whole life is about avoiding responsibility then you are nothing more than a oversized child. Keep dreaming small! It makes success that much easier for everyone else.
Unbelievably I run into a huge number of IT staff whose first real wage job was in fact in IT after college. If you've never shovelled dirt, cleaned a toilet, flipped burgers or moved boxes, then yes, I am sure you would find IT jobs demoralizing.
My advice - go out into the world of hourly wage/no benefits/first time you are late you are fired...and then come back and tell me if IT is so bad.
Yes they probably could just search through old articles for a title matching the new submission, or some regex at submission time...I mean come on, this is a solvable problem.
Look at where the Ximian folks landed on the Novell org chart vs the Suse folks and you pretty much know where the Novell desktop distro is heading : GNOME.
Apple broke its own guidelines with the QuickTime player a few years back and hasn't gotten much better. I love it how the slightest variation on linux desktops gets berated but the fact that OSX will soon sport THREE skins at the same tie (pinstripe, metal, platinum), is just shrugged off.
Just admit it! Apple is no more consistent than anyone else.
What's the big deal? The receptionist as FooBar Corp isn't going to deciding this stuff, the trained sysadmins at FooBar Corp will. And if your sysadmins are too dumb to make a decision like this, you have bigger problems facing you to worry about this.
You are assuming the admins or their employers want to do this or can do this.
What's next? Do we remove the choice between vi and emacs because some sysadmin panicked during the install?
This comment shows how in tune with the target market you are. If you say "vi" or "emacs" to these people you are going to get a "huh???". Remember, these people run Windows.
I disagree. Some customers will pick GNOME, others will pick KDE
No, they will use what comes up after a boot. They have not heard of GNOME and KDE and probably don't even care. These people are not enthusiasts, they are just trying to save money. If they want unlimited choice, they are already using one of the dozen or so stable distros that focus on that.
We're a technical company with a base of strong Linux users who have a strong preference for their desktop; we believe the users are more productive with what they know.
I doubt this is the market Novell are aiming for long term, sounds like your shop would be better off with Fedora or Debian, which make no assumptions about user choices.
So your example with the receptionist is simply silly, as I'm pretty sure that in no corporate enviroment the receptionist will be able nor expected to choose the desktop the business is running. That's up to the admins to decide.
Take one step back, to the evaluation phase. The CIO is going to look at how fast these desktops get going, how long they stay going, and how little admin they need. The CIO will kill linux in the pre-adoption evaluation stage should it not beat out Windows in these regards. These people don't want their admins making decisions like who gets what desktop, and frankly most of the average admins out there will likely just break everything by overtweaking.
Once again, if Novell wants to make it past the evaluation stage at any major installation they are going to have to show a "just works" approach. I understand your points, by my response once again is that there are already dozens of distros that meet the need of choice advocates.
In this situation keeping your options open does seem like a reasonable idea to me.
Once again, the adopters do not know these options exist nor do they likely care. If they do care they can go get the RPMs themselves, at this point they are in "expert-mode", probably where they want to be anyway.
Too many options will drive these people back to Windows. Once again, the receptionist at FooBar corp does not care about the relative merits of Gaim vs Kopete...stop projecting Slashdot gabfests onto the enterprise world.
So really there are two GUI toolkits, GTK and QT, and that choice is A GOOD THING.
Not if you are planning on rolling out a thousand desktops across an organization to users with potentially no experience outside of Windows. Stop applying Debian rules to the business market.
I suspect that over time those firms that do migrate to linux will be going with a product that works correctly with minimal administration and narrowed options. I don't see the market rewarding a kitchen sink distro...RedHat likely is further ahead in grokking this vs. Novell.
New adopters of linux in the business world have likely never heard of KDE and GNOME and certainly are not privy to the endless flame wars on tech gab sites...they just want something that works. For a community distro like Fedora or Debian, choice is key as these distros tend to attract developers as a group...but for a product you are pushing at business, it has to "just work". No, the receptionist at FooBar corp does not have a strong opinion on Gecko v KHTML.
I continue to be confused as to where Novell is going here, and I suspect they are confused too. To simplify, if businesses wanted a vendor-supported "kitchen sink", they would already be using ClubMandrake.
Novell needs to make a choice and go forward with one desktop. Some people will express disappointment in the short term but they are likely already Debian or Fedora users anyway who are not actually in the Novell target market.
We already have too many very dangerous world-obliterating weapons...so much so that we are afraid of proliferation to very bad people. We also know that the key to safety in the future will be about killing key individuals, not entire nations.
Hence this is yet another technique for transferring your tax dollars away from real security projects to the Boeing and TRW country club funds.
I appreicate what OpenOffice is doing, but when it comes to integrated Gome-ified apps, I don't think the OpenOffice tools are as high-quality as AbiWord and Gnumeric. The Abi folks in particular have an amazing site with impressive bug tracking, regression testing graphs etc.
In case you hadn't noticed, the US is far more open to low cost (how much do twenty box cutters cost?) and low tech ("just teach me how to point this thing down") attacks.
This is just another transfer of Federal tax dollars to Boeing and TRW with no real defense benefit.
If they were to show us something truly novel it would be easy for people to get motivated to participate. Syllable is functionally indistinguishable from a moden linux distro.
Do they force me to buy a new car? What if I can't afford it?
Typically measures like this grandfather in older cars, but note that many of these grandfather clauses, particularly with respect to smog, are now being pulled back or eliminated. The bottom line is that the number of people driving cars older than X do not represent a voting bloc of any significance whatsoever.
Driving is not a right, the government need not be concerned with your ability to afford a new vehicle. They will make the argument that the market offers a broad price range of vehicles and financing options and thats life.
The endgame in this is to have the cars driving themselves. And yes the govt can force you to use one of these devices if you wish to use public roads.
To all the nuts who cut me off, slam their brakes in front of me, drive at 150 MPH in a school zone or 30 MPH on the highway....I would gladly replace the lot of you with SkyNet and yes I don't mind if the government knows where I am going.
As for the privacy nuts, recall that you have this little thing called a license plate that police can already use to pull down your life history from their cruiser, and this plate is being photographed already to stop red light runners etc.
99.99999% of OSX users have no interest in creating digital music. Maybe a small percentage fire it up a couple of times to make some fun noise but thats it. Apple should unbundle this and slash the price of OSX.
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???? You are telling me you would rather stack shelves than have the opportunity to use your brain at least once in a while and get some decent pay? There is a word for no-ambition, go-nowheres like you: LOSER
I'm serious, if your whole life is about avoiding responsibility then you are nothing more than a oversized child. Keep dreaming small! It makes success that much easier for everyone else.
My advice - go out into the world of hourly wage/no benefits/first time you are late you are fired...and then come back and tell me if IT is so bad.
Yes they probably could just search through old articles for a title matching the new submission, or some regex at submission time...I mean come on, this is a solvable problem.
Look at where the Ximian folks landed on the Novell org chart vs the Suse folks and you pretty much know where the Novell desktop distro is heading : GNOME.
Seriously, where is this shelf? Even Fry's doesn't display these distros.
Fedora, Ubuntu, Suse, RHEL, blah blah etc are all seriously GNOME-oriented.
Just admit it! Apple is no more consistent than anyone else.
You are assuming the admins or their employers want to do this or can do this.
What's next? Do we remove the choice between vi and emacs because some sysadmin panicked during the install?
This comment shows how in tune with the target market you are. If you say "vi" or "emacs" to these people you are going to get a "huh???". Remember, these people run Windows.
No, they will use what comes up after a boot. They have not heard of GNOME and KDE and probably don't even care. These people are not enthusiasts, they are just trying to save money. If they want unlimited choice, they are already using one of the dozen or so stable distros that focus on that.
We're a technical company with a base of strong Linux users who have a strong preference for their desktop; we believe the users are more productive with what they know.
I doubt this is the market Novell are aiming for long term, sounds like your shop would be better off with Fedora or Debian, which make no assumptions about user choices.
Take one step back, to the evaluation phase. The CIO is going to look at how fast these desktops get going, how long they stay going, and how little admin they need. The CIO will kill linux in the pre-adoption evaluation stage should it not beat out Windows in these regards. These people don't want their admins making decisions like who gets what desktop, and frankly most of the average admins out there will likely just break everything by overtweaking.
Once again, if Novell wants to make it past the evaluation stage at any major installation they are going to have to show a "just works" approach. I understand your points, by my response once again is that there are already dozens of distros that meet the need of choice advocates.
Once again, the adopters do not know these options exist nor do they likely care. If they do care they can go get the RPMs themselves, at this point they are in "expert-mode", probably where they want to be anyway.
Too many options will drive these people back to Windows. Once again, the receptionist at FooBar corp does not care about the relative merits of Gaim vs Kopete...stop projecting Slashdot gabfests onto the enterprise world.
Not if you are planning on rolling out a thousand desktops across an organization to users with potentially no experience outside of Windows. Stop applying Debian rules to the business market.
I suspect that over time those firms that do migrate to linux will be going with a product that works correctly with minimal administration and narrowed options. I don't see the market rewarding a kitchen sink distro...RedHat likely is further ahead in grokking this vs. Novell.
I continue to be confused as to where Novell is going here, and I suspect they are confused too. To simplify, if businesses wanted a vendor-supported "kitchen sink", they would already be using ClubMandrake.
Novell needs to make a choice and go forward with one desktop. Some people will express disappointment in the short term but they are likely already Debian or Fedora users anyway who are not actually in the Novell target market.
Here's an alternative point of view: if you aren't informed and motivated, please don't vote. An uninformed vote is worse than no vote.
Hence this is yet another technique for transferring your tax dollars away from real security projects to the Boeing and TRW country club funds.
I appreicate what OpenOffice is doing, but when it comes to integrated Gome-ified apps, I don't think the OpenOffice tools are as high-quality as AbiWord and Gnumeric. The Abi folks in particular have an amazing site with impressive bug tracking, regression testing graphs etc.
Look at the "Made In" label on any product at Walmart or Target or Fry's.
This is just another transfer of Federal tax dollars to Boeing and TRW with no real defense benefit.
Which is exactly what the fvwm users said when WindowMaker came out with its giant image-quality icons.
If they were to show us something truly novel it would be easy for people to get motivated to participate. Syllable is functionally indistinguishable from a moden linux distro.
Typically measures like this grandfather in older cars, but note that many of these grandfather clauses, particularly with respect to smog, are now being pulled back or eliminated. The bottom line is that the number of people driving cars older than X do not represent a voting bloc of any significance whatsoever.
Driving is not a right, the government need not be concerned with your ability to afford a new vehicle. They will make the argument that the market offers a broad price range of vehicles and financing options and thats life.
The endgame in this is to have the cars driving themselves. And yes the govt can force you to use one of these devices if you wish to use public roads.
As for the privacy nuts, recall that you have this little thing called a license plate that police can already use to pull down your life history from their cruiser, and this plate is being photographed already to stop red light runners etc.
99.99999% of OSX users have no interest in creating digital music. Maybe a small percentage fire it up a couple of times to make some fun noise but thats it. Apple should unbundle this and slash the price of OSX.