they can also start within companies for whome they are crucial. They don't HAVE to be open sourced in that case, do they?
Don't buy the arrogance that one-size-fits-all early-to-market hackware is the best software engineering that can be done. I've done a lot of hard core original development --- clients for consumer oriented net services, etc. Of course, none of these has been open source, but they were not really "shrink" wrap either in the sense that even when the client software was put in boxes and wrapped in shrinkwrap, you still had to pay for the service.
Sometimes software engineers forget they make tools, the value is really in the use the tools are put to... which of course is one reason for the terrible quality in software today.
and you are evidently under the assumption that all programmers and software engineers work for shrink wrap software companies.
the GPL shifts power back from shrink wrap one-size-fits-all programmers to custom in house developers who can profitably collaborate and provide better custom solutions in their own work.
actually, I'd say there are fewER companies trying to turn it into shrinkwrap software because in the past it was public domain code and now it tends to be GPL. It only seemed fewer in the past because you wouldn't find out about the use.
Hey! Let's save this guy the cost of MS support!
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Why don't you just ask MS this question... what? huh? You can't? It's too expensive? They lie? They don't know?
that's how I felt about the real movie. I was just a kid and did like the series because I would like anything with a robot or computer or sci-fi of any type, a crappy movie would have been fine. It was the pilot and a couple episodes or something allong those lines. Scifi-ploitation.
clearly you havn't attempted to interpret hard enough.
clearly Adama thinks within the fleet's rest frame, he does not measure speed in terms of velocity but in acceleration, bringing the fleet to a halt means only zero acceleration. By the way, that really is the only sort of halting if you think about it.
Now as for the special effects of the fleet stopping... um... that was metaphorical.
Hey, people have done this to their own bibles for thousands of years, I can do it for b-grade pulp-sci-fi. And you can always root for the robots. They tended to do quite well in the original, iirc.
I liked the comback series where they finally found earth and rode flying motorcycles around contemporary earth.
what you say is true, but on the other hand, it's also why so many Big Tech companies evaporate... they don't know when the pot of gold has transmorphed to a pot of lead.
e.g. Working at Sierra in the early nineties, a big IP "pot of gold" was their SCI programming language and system. It worked well and was object oriented, long before they could have used C++, for example. But in the early nineties it was not clear what to do with SCI... another version: port to windows? a new language? run as a DOS process in windows (which worked well enough in one sense but was way too ugly in many others)... they just had to hang onto it.
Personally I think this was one of the things that sunk Sierra, by which I mean the original company (subsequently Yosemite something or other Studio(s)?) that used SCI. They would have been better off ditching it and making a good C++ class system for those types of games. Yes, that would have been a new IP chest of gold... but it was also giving up the "head start". But wasn't the head start an illusion? The point was, a lot of the things they had built for themselves when the functions were not generally avialable were now available. Better to have moved to the new common IP and made another IP tower on the new foundation. That's the way of survival.
The people that buy tech companies think that pot of gold is the value, so that's what they pay based on, and perhaps that's supposed to be a self fufilling prophecy, but back in engineering land, it's often NOT the road to superior engineering, and eventually superior engineering wins. It may take decades, or even centuries, but superior engineering is what superior engineering companies actually thrive on.
ever been to a construction site? they use a lot of tools. special purpose tools, general purpose tools, backup tools if one tool breaks or isn't up to the task for some incidental reason.
but maybe carpenters are just smarter than software engineers and can keep that all straight.
>Let's hear your suggestions on which stuff should be removed. Remember that no matter what you choose, people somewhere are currently using it, and you will break their code.
oh yeah, the hell with them if they don't know what's good for them. They have no principles. The are unprincipled... and condemned!
not really. I rarely throw away a tool, I just let it sit in the toolbox or move it to a separate box in the garage so I don't carry it around all the time. But rarely do I throw one away.
I think the february deal right before the case makes it MORE suspect. And so do the stock options. It's not common to buy these kinds of rights with stock option deals... that's a bet on SCO's future, made right before the coming case went PUBLIC. We would have to assume at least SCO knew at the time the case was imminent. It looks to me like Sun did too.
And no, I'm not a paranoid kid or linux fanman, I'm just a regular cynic.
You know how I optimize my car repair projects? If I'm not using a tool that day, I throw the tool away so I don't get confuzed. Besides, who needs a hammer? I use the fat end of the screwdriver because the screwdriver has a much better interface. And I save a ton of time because I don't have to think "Hammer? Screwdriver? Wrench?" I just grab the screwdriver and I'm wrenching and hamming in seconds.
>Second... I know who's side Sun is on. Sun's side. Period.
I'm not sure they are doing what is in their best interest in all this. I remember in the 80's it was said that Sun chose Unix because it was open, cross compiling would be possible, it was adopting standards because that's good engineering. Linux would fit this strategy. And if it's not as good as Solaris, which it isn't by a long shot, then Solaris still sticks around. But the original Sun, I think, was hoping for something like linux. But as they say, "it's good to be the king."
btw, regarding best interest... what is Sun's possible best interest in Java. Sun is a hardware company, frankly I'm not so impressed with Java-the-OOP-purist wet-dream.
Ooops, slipped off into rantland... excuse me... my real question was not about Java's merits, but HOW does Java ever make money for Sun? I feel the same way about them killing linux. It might sound good short term, but is it... any business lost to linux surely was about to be lost to Windows!
If any unix company wants to kill linux it is killing unix. Unix will not be here in 50 years if it's only available as a very expensive system ala the 1980-2000 model. Intel and even Windows will catch up. Get commodotized. That is the only option. You can let Windows do it do you, or you can let linux do it. It's is obvious to me that it's better for any unix programmer or hardware engineer if linux does it. (I say obvious, but don't think I don't know I could be wrong).
Sun you are not a software company, Solaris notwithstanding. It's a wonder OS. I love it. Keep it around. But you also need to promote linux for your own long term survival. Then you can sell hardware differentiated by the hardware spec, and extend linux to take advantage of your hardware. Yes... other's will get those changes in certain circumstances... but they still won't be making Sun hardware, so your product is still differentiated. IBM sees this, but since Solaris is considered best of breed, it's easier for IBM to say "we don't sell machines because of AIX anyway, it's hardware and support", but indeed it's the same with Solaris however it seems.
I think tech companies have a really painful time finding out how quickly technological properties can depreceate, and the companies seem often to slam into the ground instead of give them up. Big Tech companies have a way of evaporating more than other big companies, it seems to me.
Traditionally, a tech company is judged by the big money, ultimately, by it's unique IP and proprietary products. I have seen companies stick with proprietary languages, for example, that had long since seen their day, which had been surpassed by C++ and other standard languages, but which lived on because the company's management couldn't stand to give up something that was "just theirs and theirs alone". When you go to sell a company, for example, do you say, "we have Solaris which no one else has, it's the best (whether it is or not, you can still say so, and in Solaris' case it's mol true)" or "we run the same thing everyone does, buy US! (or anyone else)".
Thus, Sun hates linux as much as C++ Troll hates Java. Hate, as in irrational hatred. They are voting anti-linux here just like Microsoft. I think it's a bad idea. Unless it pays off. If SCO wins, it could pay off, but even then, I doubt it. Linux will go on. It will prevail in the unix world, and Sun will merely have shown more of their true colors on the way.
But I'm biased, I lost faith in Sun over the Ultra 10.:(
exactly! and the timing... they made the deal in February... just before this suit.
Sun does not want to give into the linux way, which is funny because it's a direct result of their unix strategy from the begining, that is, the open nature of unix even proprietary implimentations.
It's a lot like Microsoft in my eyes... they benefit from an open system (the PC architecture in Microsoft's case) but then suddenly, billions of dollars later that's not a good idea.
Who wants a meritocracy when they are already at the top.
Of course, in Sun's case it's idiotic, the whole unix world is going away unless linux makes it. Sun has more to lose holding on to their last candles than they do wading into linux land.
I understand the idea that if you need an XML editor (or compiler!) to make it easy to write XML what's the point of having a human readable format. Would you suggest standard binary formats?
I think, in fact, there are good binary encodings that also can encapsulate DOM shaped structures. It seems to me that the accessibility is still a good thing, I like XML as a universal interchange format that supports arbitrary nesting properties for the embedded blocks. All that could be done in a universal standards.
But then we'd have to resurrect the byte-ordering wars, settled but not forgotten, by truce years ago.
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they can also start within companies for whome they are crucial. They don't HAVE to be open sourced in that case, do they?
Don't buy the arrogance that one-size-fits-all early-to-market hackware is the best software engineering that can be done. I've done a lot of hard core original development --- clients for consumer oriented net services, etc. Of course, none of these has been open source, but they were not really "shrink" wrap either in the sense that even when the client software was put in boxes and wrapped in shrinkwrap, you still had to pay for the service.
Sometimes software engineers forget they make tools, the value is really in the use the tools are put to... which of course is one reason for the terrible quality in software today.
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Is Bruce Perens a Troll... is Bruce Perens a Troll, a deep and complex question, certainly.
If he is, he's a good Troll, and he lives on top of the bridge, and fishes for sharks.
and you are evidently under the assumption that all programmers and software engineers work for shrink wrap software companies.
the GPL shifts power back from shrink wrap one-size-fits-all programmers to custom in house developers who can profitably collaborate and provide better custom solutions in their own work.
payback's a bitch.
actually, I'd say there are fewER companies trying to turn it into shrinkwrap software because in the past it was public domain code and now it tends to be GPL. It only seemed fewer in the past because you wouldn't find out about the use.
Why don't you just ask MS this question... what? huh? You can't? It's too expensive? They lie? They don't know?
.NET.
Then why are you using
it's not free, the price is registration.
Barter did not quite die out as advertised in the 20'th century (that'd be that last bloody century).
People are confused because they don't think about the economy as barter, but it is, money just lubricates a basic system of barter.
GPL code is not free, the cost is your commitment to share your changes to the code with whomever you share a binary with.
Nytimes.com is not free, the cost is registration, so they know more about their users.
etc. etc. no-money-required != free.
or better yet... the nytimes doesn't use that email for anything... you just set your own password, you can use any old email address...
I think not. Sure I misspelled paranoia (typo actually), but that don't make me undeducated, do it!? NO! Speeling is fer the we4k.
they also teach history up there!
paranoi: it's for the educated.
except they must keep the "by your command" thing... ! the rest, good riddance.
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that's how I felt about the real movie. I was just a kid and did like the series because I would like anything with a robot or computer or sci-fi of any type, a crappy movie would have been fine. It was the pilot and a couple episodes or something allong those lines. Scifi-ploitation.
clearly you havn't attempted to interpret hard enough.
clearly Adama thinks within the fleet's rest frame, he does not measure speed in terms of velocity but in acceleration, bringing the fleet to a halt means only zero acceleration. By the way, that really is the only sort of halting if you think about it.
Now as for the special effects of the fleet stopping... um... that was metaphorical.
Hey, people have done this to their own bibles for thousands of years, I can do it for b-grade pulp-sci-fi. And you can always root for the robots. They tended to do quite well in the original, iirc.
I liked the comback series where they finally found earth and rode flying motorcycles around contemporary earth.
what you say is true, but on the other hand, it's also why so many Big Tech companies evaporate... they don't know when the pot of gold has transmorphed to a pot of lead.
e.g. Working at Sierra in the early nineties, a big IP "pot of gold" was their SCI programming language and system. It worked well and was object oriented, long before they could have used C++, for example. But in the early nineties it was not clear what to do with SCI... another version: port to windows? a new language? run as a DOS process in windows (which worked well enough in one sense but was way too ugly in many others)... they just had to hang onto it.
Personally I think this was one of the things that sunk Sierra, by which I mean the original company (subsequently Yosemite something or other Studio(s)?) that used SCI. They would have been better off ditching it and making a good C++ class system for those types of games. Yes, that would have been a new IP chest of gold... but it was also giving up the "head start". But wasn't the head start an illusion? The point was, a lot of the things they had built for themselves when the functions were not generally avialable were now available. Better to have moved to the new common IP and made another IP tower on the new foundation. That's the way of survival.
The people that buy tech companies think that pot of gold is the value, so that's what they pay based on, and perhaps that's supposed to be a self fufilling prophecy, but back in engineering land, it's often NOT the road to superior engineering, and eventually superior engineering wins. It may take decades, or even centuries, but superior engineering is what superior engineering companies actually thrive on.
ever been to a construction site? they use a lot of tools. special purpose tools, general purpose tools, backup tools if one tool breaks or isn't up to the task for some incidental reason.
but maybe carpenters are just smarter than software engineers and can keep that all straight.
>Let's hear your suggestions on which stuff should be removed. Remember that no matter what you choose, people somewhere are currently using it, and you will break their code.
oh yeah, the hell with them if they don't know what's good for them. They have no principles. The are unprincipled... and condemned!
not really. I rarely throw away a tool, I just let it sit in the toolbox or move it to a separate box in the garage so I don't carry it around all the time. But rarely do I throw one away.
I think the february deal right before the case makes it MORE suspect. And so do the stock options. It's not common to buy these kinds of rights with stock option deals... that's a bet on SCO's future, made right before the coming case went PUBLIC. We would have to assume at least SCO knew at the time the case was imminent. It looks to me like Sun did too.
And no, I'm not a paranoid kid or linux fanman, I'm just a regular cynic.
You know how I optimize my car repair projects? If I'm not using a tool that day, I throw the tool away so I don't get confuzed. Besides, who needs a hammer? I use the fat end of the screwdriver because the screwdriver has a much better interface. And I save a ton of time because I don't have to think "Hammer? Screwdriver? Wrench?" I just grab the screwdriver and I'm wrenching and hamming in seconds.
between this, Java, and our Ultra "hardware failure" 10, I've fallen out of love in the last couple years.
sad isn't it.
[turns to machine] I still love YOU though bessie!
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>Second ... I know who's side Sun is on. Sun's side. Period.
I'm not sure they are doing what is in their best interest in all this. I remember in the 80's it was said that Sun chose Unix because it was open, cross compiling would be possible, it was adopting standards because that's good engineering. Linux would fit this strategy. And if it's not as good as Solaris, which it isn't by a long shot, then Solaris still sticks around. But the original Sun, I think, was hoping for something like linux. But as they say, "it's good to be the king."
btw, regarding best interest... what is Sun's possible best interest in Java. Sun is a hardware company, frankly I'm not so impressed with Java-the-OOP-purist wet-dream.
Ooops, slipped off into rantland... excuse me... my real question was not about Java's merits, but HOW does Java ever make money for Sun? I feel the same way about them killing linux. It might sound good short term, but is it... any business lost to linux surely was about to be lost to Windows!
If any unix company wants to kill linux it is killing unix. Unix will not be here in 50 years if it's only available as a very expensive system ala the 1980-2000 model. Intel and even Windows will catch up. Get commodotized. That is the only option. You can let Windows do it do you, or you can let linux do it. It's is obvious to me that it's better for any unix programmer or hardware engineer if linux does it. (I say obvious, but don't think I don't know I could be wrong).
Sun you are not a software company, Solaris notwithstanding. It's a wonder OS. I love it. Keep it around. But you also need to promote linux for your own long term survival. Then you can sell hardware differentiated by the hardware spec, and extend linux to take advantage of your hardware. Yes... other's will get those changes in certain circumstances... but they still won't be making Sun hardware, so your product is still differentiated. IBM sees this, but since Solaris is considered best of breed, it's easier for IBM to say "we don't sell machines because of AIX anyway, it's hardware and support", but indeed it's the same with Solaris however it seems.
I think tech companies have a really painful time finding out how quickly technological properties can depreceate, and the companies seem often to slam into the ground instead of give them up. Big Tech companies have a way of evaporating more than other big companies, it seems to me.
actually, the report is they bought this in February... before the SCO case!
It's a lot more of a cabal than a reasonable man would surmise by default.
Traditionally, a tech company is judged by the big money, ultimately, by it's unique IP and proprietary products. I have seen companies stick with proprietary languages, for example, that had long since seen their day, which had been surpassed by C++ and other standard languages, but which lived on because the company's management couldn't stand to give up something that was "just theirs and theirs alone". When you go to sell a company, for example, do you say, "we have Solaris which no one else has, it's the best (whether it is or not, you can still say so, and in Solaris' case it's mol true)" or "we run the same thing everyone does, buy US! (or anyone else)".
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Thus, Sun hates linux as much as C++ Troll hates Java. Hate, as in irrational hatred. They are voting anti-linux here just like Microsoft. I think it's a bad idea. Unless it pays off. If SCO wins, it could pay off, but even then, I doubt it. Linux will go on. It will prevail in the unix world, and Sun will merely have shown more of their true colors on the way.
But I'm biased, I lost faith in Sun over the Ultra 10.
exactly! and the timing... they made the deal in February... just before this suit.
Sun does not want to give into the linux way, which is funny because it's a direct result of their unix strategy from the begining, that is, the open nature of unix even proprietary implimentations.
It's a lot like Microsoft in my eyes... they benefit from an open system (the PC architecture in Microsoft's case) but then suddenly, billions of dollars later that's not a good idea.
Who wants a meritocracy when they are already at the top.
Of course, in Sun's case it's idiotic, the whole unix world is going away unless linux makes it. Sun has more to lose holding on to their last candles than they do wading into linux land.
you make good points.
I understand the idea that if you need an XML editor (or compiler!) to make it easy to write XML what's the point of having a human readable format. Would you suggest standard binary formats?
I think, in fact, there are good binary encodings that also can encapsulate DOM shaped structures. It seems to me that the accessibility is still a good thing, I like XML as a universal interchange format that supports arbitrary nesting properties for the embedded blocks. All that could be done in a universal standards.
But then we'd have to resurrect the byte-ordering wars, settled but not forgotten, by truce years ago.