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Olmos Tells Fans: "Don't Watch Galactica"
Obiwan Kenobi writes "Edward James Olmos, in a meeting with a group of TV Critics, did something unbelievable: he pleaded with them to tell their readers not to watch the new Battlestar Galactica remake on the Sci-Fi Channel: 'I must say one thing and will say this very clearly, if you are a person who really has a strict belief in the original, I would not advise that you watch this program. It'll hurt them.'"
He's going to be sued for this.
Vonal Declosion
...After all, aren't remakes always worse than the originals?
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Who is Edward James Olmos?
From everything I've read or heard about this miniseries (including conversations with some SciFi channel employees assigned to the project), it is exceptionally more crapacular than Episode I and Higherlander 2 combined.
Avoid avoid avoid...
Poor bastard.
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But then again, who does?
The original "Battlestar Galactica" was not the worst science fiction show on TV but it was not good, not good at all.
Maybe I will like this new one after all.
In a related story, William Shatner wants people to watch ST:TNG, DS9, VOYAGER, and ENTERPRISE, because they're "da bomb."
Best way to get people to do something is to tell them not to!
by the fact that Starbuck is played by
Katee Sackhoff.
Yummy.
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'if you are a person who really has a strict belief in the original, I would not advise that you watch this program. It'll hurt them.'
"On the other hand," he continued, "If you really have a strict belief in the original, watching this probably won't make your life any worse."
He's been saying this for quite some time now (Google: olmos galactica purist).
Clearly this is just PR. I wonder how many of the "purists" will actually tune out?
Suckas.
"...all the labours of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness..." yada yada
I find it amusing that this new series takes on the name of an original series to draw that initial crowd of original Battlestar fans. He just might be doing the smart thing by lowering expectations. That way, the viewers will know exactly what to expect (i.e. not much) and they won't bitch and moan as much on the Internet afterwards on how bad this new series was, in their eye. Reverse psychology as a public relations tool? :: firastudios.com ::
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Now I WANT to see it damn it!
that sound is more important than your entire life.
and it will stop you from having an orgasm on the playboy channel.
More "space opera" with the emphasis on opera. Lots of badly acted interpersonal drama with an occasional shoot-out. Why? Because no-name actors playing kissy face are cheaper in their first couple years than special effects.
The Star Trek folks even figured out how to deal with the now-famous actor (read $$) problem. Cancel the series and start a new one. Frequently.
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
Your Reverse-psychology-fu is useless against my hazy recollection of C-3PO wannabes with KITT eyes and creepy cyborg bear-things!
Ceci n'est pas un post.
If only it would be released in a theater, then I could demand my money back..and sue for pain suffering...
If Mr. Edison had thought smarter he wouldn't sweat as much. --Nikola Tesla
I'm not interested in watching it, anyhow.
{ - Generic Guy - }
is because it's full of rap music, product placement advertisements, gratuitous sex scenes (well those are okay), crappy dialogue, additional characters, and a new ending. just a hunch....
Stupid people make stupid things profitable.
Granted, these shows are cheap, but Sci-Fi got great ratings (i think) when they brought Star Trek to the network, proving that light entertainment is appreciated. So why the realism in a Battlestar Galactica show? Why the heck is Sci-Fi so dark?
I just might watch.
Olmos said that FANBOYS of the old series should not watch the new series because they backstory was thrown out and a new one created. He never said people in GENERAL should not watch it.
Oops, I think I multi posted this by accident. Sorry.
...but unless Dirk Benedict is in it, it just won't be Battle Star Galactica.
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seems like more proof that creativity is dead in media, people need to take more risks to create new things, i dont wanner see more re-(runs|makes|mixes) of reality TV,pop idol,(pokey|transformer)mercials for the next 30years
do we really wanner stay as bunch of pussies trawling 70's film catalogs looking for remake opportunitys and constructing short term boy bands instead of investing in long term talent ?.
no wonder people would rather steal/copy/download media for free than hand over their $$ to only be treated like dickheads and rewarded with more of the same, (MP|RI)AA need to get their members to buck up their ideas or none of them will cease to exist in 10years.
reminds me of an old retail saying:
"the customer is always right"
is anyone listening or do we have to wait till the media industries are dead before anyone will hear us and reconsider their position ?.
I'm curious...I wonder if the mythos of the show, which were basically cribbed from the Book Of Mormon and also may or may not have included some items of Mormon dogma that the LDS folks wanted to keep secret, will remain intact in the remake?
It is interesting to note that the LDS Church did not sue ABC over Battlestar Galactica. Then again, the Super Seekrit Skripturez of the Church of Scientology are very well protected under the Sonny Bono Act, where the Book of Mormon passed into the Public Domain generations ago. If someone cribbed the bizarro stuff that passes for "higher revelations" in the CoS and used them as inspiration for a SF movie/TV show, the one who had the temerity to do so would probably be legal dead meat. Not to mention OTHER possible ramifications...[shudder]
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"Despite thousands of manhours spent honing the concept, we were unable to make it as suckey as the original. We apologize for this, as we know that the medicore acting, idiotic scripts, irritaing kid and robot, and repetitive battle scenes were integral to making Battlestar Galactica what it was, but they just set the bar too low for us to crawl under. Again, we apologize, and we'll be using all the skills Hollywood is known for to make sure the series becomes more wretched and unwatchable as time goes on, climaxing in the premier of Galactica 2005. Thank you."
Maybe if they kept the theme music and threw every other "classic" element away...
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Plus he'll get Hoss to beat you up.
Face it - as much as I have fond memories of the original, it was something hacked together to be a running series to have lasers becaue star wars did.
:)
Overall, it was kinda cheesy and almost a family show. (Acutally as I remember, they had a lot of stuff crammed into that one season) As I remember, a lot of time with Boxey and Daggit. They took this to the next level with Battlestar 1980.
If the sci-fi version cuts out some of the cheese and makes a darker galactica, more power to them. For a rag-tag, fugitive fleet, they seemed pretty well off.
As long as they have the original music, it can't be bad
What the Felgercarb?
I wouldn't abandon all hope yet.. Face it, the original was quite horrible anyway.
I actually don't mind the remake of Transformers. It's ok. The H-Man remake is god-awful. I also noticed a remake of Teen-Age Mutant Ninja Turtles on Fox the other weekend. Didn't see enough to form an opinion either way. But it appears to be darker than the original cartoon series.
If Mr. Edison had thought smarter he wouldn't sweat as much. --Nikola Tesla
The old Battlestar Galactica suffered in comparison to Star Wars because the television series could give no hope that the heroes would win. The heroes were therefore losers. On the other hand the constraints of network television story telling demanded that the enemy Cylons, at least the normal soldiers, be portrayed as being ridiculously inept and incompetent, to be swept away like flies in single combat when the heroes used their innate ability. Both sides were portrayed as losers.
Decades have passed and United States audiences willing to watch science fiction have been exposed to anti-heroes in the mass media, from the movies to TV shows such as the Sopranos to WWE pro wrestling. The anti-hero is almost a norm, and it is expected for the weak to be continuously humiliated.
Now is the right time to re-image the Galactica story. Instead of network television having to cater to mass tastes, the Sci Fi Channel can concentrate on a smaller niche, a niche that is quite comfortable with WWE or reality show entertainment.
When I read purported leaks of the Galactica storyline by Ron Moore, I saw that Moore had solved all of the problems posed by the constraints on the original series. What Moore has done is to understand that while the supposed heroes are required to fill up time on the screen, the real stars of the series are the Cylons. Victims in modern television are no more to be pitied than the people trampled in a Japanese monster movie. The story of Galactica has never been about the humans, it should have been, and Moore has remade it to be, about the rise and victory of the new dominant species, the new top predator.
Many will criticize the ridiculous and humiliating portrayal of humans in the new Galactica series. What they fail to see is that we should watch the story as if it were told from the Cylons' perspective. The new series will examine why humans are inferior and why Cylons are obligated to wage total war to eliminate human evil.
Root for the true good guys of Galatica--the Cylons.
There are some other stories on this press conference like this one.
Sean Connery warns people not to view LXG unless they want to get into a fight with the manager about getting a refund.
Jennifer Connely advises taking some NoDoze or at least a double cappucino before attempting to view the Hulk.
and Johnnie Depp warns ladies not to see Pirates of the Caribbean unless you want to fall in love with in all over again since you just recently got over your obsession with him after viewing Chocolate for the 20th time.
Tech TV's Anime Unleashed is trying really hard and getting out the Channel for IT Nerds image.
The SciFi Channel is fast becoming 'The place bad programing goes to die'
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Think about it. The original concept of Battlestar Gallactica was great: Refugees struggling to escape annihalation and find a new home. But there were so many bad, bad things about BG that had nothing to do with the state of the art of special effects.
Here are some examples:
1. The damn robot dog.
2. The incredibly stupid plots - even in the TV movie. Remember the insect aliens running a casino to entrap humans into becoming larva food? The first half of the TV movie was great, but it went way down-hill from there.
3. The damn robot dog.
4. The damn robot dog.
5. Cheesy 70's hair. At least Boomer didn't have an afro, but that wasn't much help.
6. The overall plot turning into something that wasn't all that different from Space 1999 - each episode was either a throw-away event where the BG either meets aliens or suffers a cylon attack, and then escapes at the end - usually after being betrayed by the aliens or fighting off another cylon attack. The episodes dealing with the plot to find Earth were mostly "Gilligan and the Castaways almost, but not quite, make it off the island again" episodes.
The things I remember about BG that were cool was the tech - the whole idea of an aircraft carrier in space, the way-cool Cylon fighters and base-ships, the cylons themselves (except for the leader-bots, which were lame). Even the thinly-veiled Mormon philosophy was OK.
There's just one thing I'm hoping for: No damn robot dog. If they have to have a robot, it had better be Crow-T-Robot, Tom Servo, or Bender. Or a damn robot dog that's very quickly taken over by the Cylons.
Oh yeah, and make Starbuck a lesbian, too.
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yeah, especially considering the mental disabilities he has to cope with.
And to think if it wasn't for Edward James Olmos I would never have known about the remake on the Sci-Fi channel. Thank you Edward James Olmos
'I must say one thing and will say this very clearly, if you are a person who really has a strict belief in the original, I would not advise that you watch this program. It'll hurt them.'
He says "I would not advise that you watch this program" - I think he meant "I would advise that you not watch this program".
Really people. If the sci fi channel had the real money to pump into something, they would. *Cough* Farscape! *cough*
Complaining that the sets look cheap on a non-mainstay cable channel isn't the reality of television now. Farscape was the most expensive made for cable show ever. It really needed a lot of viewers. I was one of them, but obviously the economics don't support it. Period. So it died. I cannot help that. I was watching. But at least Sci-fi is trying to do something original. It is at least aggressive about growing its audience. That is why I watch them. They try. And they make original TV. So there. Can you say that about many other channels? Does lifetime have a budget for their made-for-tv crapfests that last seventy million hours? NO. Sci-fi is working on it. It may not be the best, but they are working on it.
Now that Galactica (a mediocre at best TV show, but one that makes us remember our past, I even had a jacket as a kid) comes back for a little cable money, you all start screaming that it is crap long before it airs. Months before it airs. Look, they just cannot afford to make the best shows with the best actors. YOU NEED TO BUY MORE ADVERTISING AND THEN THEY CAN AFFORD TO GROW THE BRAND. Sorry, as much as I am a sci-fi nut, we are a niche market. We will always get a "niche price" on things. Pray that you are not the Oxygen channel and that you have the Isaac Mizrahi show as your original programming.
Look, complaining about the Sci-Fi channel will not change the fact that they are broke and trying to change that. Giving you something to watch... even if it is a remake, is not cheap. They at least have the balls to venture on TV. They are spending money, employing light riggers, paying actors, and getting TV made when you have no room to bitch or get stuck with the same reruns you've seen since '95.
Stop bitching about anyone making new programming, because if the execs smell backlash, then we are getting NOTHING NEW, and they are putting all of their money into TRADING SPACES. Got it?
i can get on board with any actress named sackhoff
If you have a "strict belief" in sci-fi, you're setting yourself up for a whole world of hurt.
I wonder how well she can pull off the cigar smoking, womanizer role.
Its just not going to be the same without Face from the A-Team. I always wanted to see the cross over where the Cylons captured Face + The Rest of the A-Team and then out of a the pieces of their jail cell they created a tank/car, resuce everyone, ended the war and no-one actually got killed :)
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There's already a movie been made on the Book of Mormon. This movie is not sponsored by the church in any way either. It will be out in theaters in September.
So when it comes to legal issues, this Book of Mormon movie would easily be a problem, just like you said. However, when the church leadership has been asked on these types of movies, they allow people to make these kinds of commercial adventures, without any opinions on the matter.
Truth is, the same fanboys that are bitching about this are the ones that were aghast that Star Trek centered a show on a space station, went apopletic when they expanded a certain female elf's part in LOTR, complained that Dune wasn't exactly like the book, and demanded that Wolverine wear yellow spandex in X-Men.
My advice is that you accept shows with an open mind if you want to see more sci-fi on TV, and go out and meet a female once in a while. Your comic books and Illustrated Guides to the Enterprise will still be next to your computer when you return. Trust me.
"Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect."- Steven Wright
I used to pitch stories to Star Trek: The Next Generation. My agent was the same one that got Ron Moore started. She got me in the door and I would pitch stories over the phone (I'm told this is VERY rare) to Moore. Even though I did get a couple mentions (by reference, not by name) in "Hollywood Scriptwriter," I have to point out, before I make my comments, that Ron Moore is making a living writing for film and TV and I'm not (although my company will soon be producing video and digital film).
Ron likes to change things. He's the writer at ST:TNG who would frequently change things from the way they were. He wrote "Relics," the episode where Scotty is found in an old ship and says, "I'll bet Jim Kirk himself took the Enterprise out of mothballs to find me." Later he, with Brannon Braga, has Scotty see the gaping hole in "Generations" where Kirk was "killed."
Ron, as best I could tell, is a very intelligent, articulate, and friendly (if shy, it seemed) person. I would never wish him any ill will. However, he has shown that whenever he works with anyone else's material, he "loves to change things" (as Scotty once said). He seems to actually take delight in making sure he takes the original material and changes it enough to actually irritate fans of the original.
Once I saw his name attached to the project, I basically decided I was VERY unlikely to watch it. When I found out Starbuck was a woman, I was sure I wouldn't watch it. It completely destroys the "buddy" relationship that was so important to the original.
Indeed...I thought I had erased the horror of "Battlefield: Earth" from my brain. But you had to remind me. DEEEEEP Hurting!!!!!
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He's going to be sued for this.
Hardly. By making an unexpected statement like this, he generates additional coverage; the slashdot coverage alone is probably worth an additional ratings point or two!
After all, aren't *you* now more likely to watch it than before--if only to find out for yourself what all the fuss was about? I know I am.
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If Sci-Fi really wants to get off cheap, they should simply show Dr. Who and Red Dwarf in the afternoons. I'd TIVO both of them!
"Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect."- Steven Wright
This new version (without seeing a single episode) is completely devoid of what real fans of the show liked. It's like finding out that Darth Vader was really really annoying kid who then later turned into a total poser. Oh wait, that really happened. Now you can see what fans are feeling.
Hey, it wasn't the best show that it could have been. The daggit should have been set on fire, roasted and shot into space. Sure, they could have used more space scenes, but you have to understand that ABC wouldn't pay the money to produce more and they were rushing the entire project. Glen Larson did the best with what he had at the time... which was the late seventies. Everyone in the thread seems to be trashing the obvious mistakes, but forget the great stuff the show had. The *robot* cylons were the shiznit. The Vipers were cooler than X-Wings and I'd take Face... er, Starbuck and Apollo over Luke and Wedge any day. The cylon bases were kick ass and Boltar was the guy you loved to hate.
Let me sum up. BG without the Mormon mythos behind it simply isn't the same show. You don't have to agree with the theology any more than you had to agree with the Catholic undertones of the X-Files to enjoy the show. Heck, when the show was in it's first one, no one really even knew it was there. It's what the show was based on and Sci-Fi is using the show in name only to attract viewers. Sci-Fi really should have let Glenn and Richard Hatch do the show *they* wanted done which would have kept the backstory intact and allowed the show to be updated and entertaining.
Here's hoping that the miniseries is a failure and the series never gets started.
That face scared the crap out of me when I saw it at the end of Star Trek many, many years ago.
I'm now scarred for life.
If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
A computer-related note: Unlike the original Star Trek bridge, the Battlestar Galactica controls and displays actually worked. Tektronix provided much of the gear. This created a problem - the actors had to be trained to run the stuff. The Trek crew could push random buttons, but the Galactica crew had to get it right. They hated that.
Any disrespect to the original is balanced out by the fact that Starbuck is played by Katee Sackhoff.
Are you sure? She must weigh at least 300 pounds.
But then, if you're a chubby chaser, by all means, have at it.
I prefer Keira Knightley, personally.
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
Besides, if Moses hears you bitching, he'll punk you good, or send Rick the Temp after you.
I don't need to be made to look evil. I can do that on my own. - Christopher Walken
I don't know about the cigar smoking, but even an attempt at some womanizing should be welcomed by every sci-fi geek.
Don't read this post.
What used to really bug me is the way the fighters would act exactly like a fighter plane travelling through the atmosphere. They'd even sort of sway up and down while travelling a straight course.
But hey, the thing was a simple ripoff of Star Wars, right down to the cute robot. So of course it had to have bad physics!
Yeah, Starlost was much better! Especially the dialog!
It's a good thing SciFi got rid of Farscape. Now they can distance themselve from that "spacy" image they detest.
No shit, man.
But they could not afford one last season of Farscape to end the series that loyal fans had watched for four years?
SciFi is trying it's level best to run headlong into the ground.
They do not have my sympathy.
If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. - James Madison
No, you jerk. She's a mega fox!
Don't fear, in order to draw the younger crowd, the producers have signed Poochie to play the part of Muffit.
"Trust in haste. Repent at leisure"
Off topic, but also note this interesting article regarding some negative consequences of the movie on Escalante's career.
Not only is he a well regarded leader in the Latino and Hispanic community and a prominent typecasted actor in short lived PBS productions, he's also a proponent for the greatness that is/was/is Battlestar Galactica--the series! Loren Green would be proud.
Ah, but Crazy called it "Cattlecar, the Laxative" which I, at eleven, thought was inspired.
Rustin
Data is the lever, rigor the fulcrum, brains the force that drives it all.
I wana see them remake Lost In Space. And not like that damn pretentious movie - do it right. I wanna see David "Dad" Hasselhoff and Ileanna "Mom" Douglas and Alyson "Judy" Hannigan and Johnny "Don" Knoxville (he could even do his own stunts!) and Renee "Penny" Olstead and Gavin "Will" Fink (or Mike Weinberg) getting chased around by the real star of the show: the evil Dr. Smith, brilliantly acted by the one living soul who was born to play him.
Especially since there are a lot of people there who are pretty fanatical about the original series. They're fairly pissed about this remake and have made a lot of noise in support of a sequel instead.
Of course, there's no chance that anybody except these same fans would watch a sequel of any kind. But hey, since when did fans care about stuff like that?
by posting that.
From Blade Runner to Miami Vice to cheesy guest shots to a remake of BG. It's all been downhill.
Actually, I thought that his character kicked major ass in Miami Vice, but I just had to get the swipe in.
Rustin
Data is the lever, rigor the fulcrum, brains the force that drives it all.
In short, he is NOT saying that he thinks the current BG project is of poor quality but rather that die-hard Galactica fans might not like the changes.
I think most of his attitude is probably being caused by the fact that there are probably some shrill BG geeks keeping close track of production and e-mailing him with their complaints.
EJO plays a middle aged Hispanic fuddy duddy who wishes to retire from his career as a starship captain and spend more time with his family, but whose plans are suddenly thrown into jeopardy when his planet is invaded by evil, sadistic immigration enforcement androids. Rita Moreno plays the faithful but frail mother who is well known for her great tacos. His hot blooded, lady-killing but devoted son is portrayed by Ricky Martin. Lou Diamond Phillips plays Ricky's out-of-control, destined-to-die-in-a-knife-fight younger brother. Janeane Garofalo portrays the hot left wing activist daughter who aspires to one day make films for P.O.V. and open a shelter for homeless pets in Chinatown on the other side of the tracks.
Oh, sure, remakes can be terrible, though I loved Aliens, T2, and any number of other remakes and sequels.
As mentioned elsewhere, we all know that Evil Dead II was amazing.
What I want to see is a BG based on the comic, which got to be one of the best dark and weird comics from the majors in those pre-indy days.
Fraud, incompetent leaders, black markets, prostitution, homeless people stranded in the halls while Caligula-like banquets take place behind the guard of the growing private militaries. Adama flaking out and being stranded in the interrogation tank for something like six months in real time, the whole Solaris/robotic society subplot, the young Adama flashbacks to the colonies at their height. It's all good.
Add in the freaky proto-byrne baroque artwork (dig those branches on the "food planet") and it was a decade ahead of its time.
Give me a series well-based on that and a trilogy of movies based on the first three years of Micronauts, and I'ld be a happy man.
Damn, I haven't thought about BG in *years*. I LOVED that damned comic. I can see the images in front of me as I sit here. They're engraved in my brain.
Road Warrior meets Blade Runner meets the Terminator in claustrophobic, disease-ridden ships, all with space battles, oasis planets, and a search for the heavenly world of the gods made flesh.
Aw, sh*t. Now I gotta go out and buy some.
Rustin
Data is the lever, rigor the fulcrum, brains the force that drives it all.
Without this tape, you aint't gonna figure out how to get the ribbed latex suction vacuum ring to work.
We are talkin' 'bout my new penis pump, aren't we?
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[insert lots of farting noises at this point, and crappy music that died before Disco did].
Holy crap! I sat behind that girl in high school biology. That was of course before Oregon's public schools and economy went down the crapper.
How cute. Come on, give little Katee a kiss!
Did you know you can fertilize your lawn with used motor oil?
Only one, only one, only *one!*
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"If the sci-fi version cuts out some of the cheese and makes a darker galactica, more power to them. For a rag-tag, fugitive fleet, they seemed pretty well off."
Oh great. Tim Burton's remake of Battlestar Galactica. The space jockies all wear tights, and the captain has rubber nipples.
>> From there, things get difpferent.
Great job charlie!
Uh, not EVERY sci-fi geeks. Not only are some sci-fi geeks straight women, but many are even gay men. Don't be so heterosexist. :-)
- Spryguy
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I've watched both, and I have to say that wrestling has far less cringe-inducing dialogue and hack acting.
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Are you sure? Dude, you really need to get out more.
He's going to fight Cylons... TO THE EXTREME!!!!
I have heard mention of "The Next Generation", isn't that a DVD copy of the Star Trek series? And I don't know why DS9 is mentioned so much, 9mm is only 10% wider than my 8mm film.
his role in Blade Runner.
I've known many straight women who enjoy watching two women together, so I wouldn't exclude them from my generalization. I've known far fewer homosexual men, so I'll accept my punishment for that with grace. :)
Geez. It's getting hard to keep track of everything I have to boycoot to be a good little geek.
Bonus hint: Did you know that if you speak into the back of a fan you sound just like a Cylon? (It's late and I'm slightly delerious, forgive me.)
pleaded with them to tell their readers not to watch the new Battlestar Gallactica
This does not appear in the text. The quote was for "devoted fans of the 1970s sci-fi series" not to watch it, not for all readers not to watch it.
Which means I'll definitely watch it... I liked Lorne Green out of the original series, but that was about it.
Maybe this means it won't be so sappy. It hits me about the way CHiPs does...just too seventies-sappy.
But then when it first came out (and was interesting, BTW) I was only like 10. >)
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Bring back Farscape.
Damn, I loved that show. I wonder what those savefarscape.com people are up to these days?
First Dune, now BS??? Exactly how bad were the revenues that Farscape was bringing in? 'Cause they'd have to be pretty damned bad in order to prioritize a Battlestar Galactica remake...
But hey, I'm just drunk and frustrated. Minus the drunk part.
Because it put an aircraft carrier in space, as opposed to Star Trek which put a battleship in space.
It's Christmas everyday with BitTorrent.
Strict belief in the original?
The original Battlestar Galactica was rubbish anyway. What kind of sad git gives a toss about the original?
What it does point out rather clearly though is the kind of crap which the media is churning out. Remakes and sequels, then more remakes and more sequels. That alone is a good enough reason not to watch.
Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
This one gives both the pros and cons of the new BG miniseries, and has many valid points:
i cl es_interviews/archive/2002/dec02b-plain.html
http://www.battlestargalactica.com/features/art
Just because you can mod me down, doesn't mean you're right. Shoes for industry!
But I think you're confusing the robo-dag with Roborville from thunder cats. Hope this help.
they know the original sucked!
but please don't get me wrong. I loved it. But then I also loved Space 1999, so I have no taste.
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-pyrrho
For bad physics, it's difficult to beat "Space: 1999".
...
First an "explosion" blows the Moon out of orbit, accelerating it to such a speed that it passes a new star system every week. Of course, neither this explosion or the instant acceleration kill anyone.
Each week the Moon goes past another star system, and the residents have time to take a shuttle to a nearby planet (with intelligent life), and then to take the shuttle back to the Moon. Which is, conservatively, moving at the turtle-like pace of 200 light-years per year (4 light-years from Sol to Alpha Centauri, times one new star system per week, times 52 weeks per year). Visit aliens for a half-day and the Moon will travel 1/3 of a light year away while you fight or chat.
Those must be some Shuttles, to let them catch back up again with the Moon
A reviewer at IMDB that liked the original seems to like the script for the new show.
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Sorry, forgot to mention that the reviewer has left many spoilers in his comment. Read only the first two paragraphs and the last one if you want to avoid the spoilers.
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If coyprights were accelerated to the 14 years duration of the Copyright Act of 1790 (USA) and the Statute of Anne (England), then the original copyrights on Battlestar Galactica would now be expired and we might have more competition in Galactica sequels (which would have their own copyrights begining when they would be made).
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After they canceled Farscape, I canceled SCI-FI, by dropping down a tier in my cable bill. I lost a bunch of channels (including SCI-FI), but there was nothing worth watching on them anyway.
On the flip side, as a result of this change I save over $350 a year on my cable bill. More toys!
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hardcore battlestar galatica fans! i'm amazed anyone ever liked that show nevermind worshipped it. whatever next? buck rogers?
It was Schumacher that did that whole rubber nipples thing to Batman.
except they must keep the "by your command" thing... ! the rest, good riddance.
-pyrrho
Even 70`s Buck Rogers was better. But I digress.
As a pre-teen, I really liked Galacticas escapist feeling, flying through space, occasionally blowing up some funky robots - kinda nice. But eventually I'd notice the flaws, and that was even before that kid, and the Galactica reaching earth.
The show was crap. Real crap. Bad in ervery aspect.
Will the new one be any good? I don't think so, but everyone longing for a faithfull rerendering of the original deserves to be hurt. A lot.
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I must now refer you to the ageless wisdom of James "Kibo" Parry on this subject:
BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS ABOUT BREAST CANCER
Really! Just google for "Battlestar Galactica" and "breast cancer".
Did I somehow slip into Bizarro world? :)
TPF
As seen on a piece of junkmail that Homer immediately discards on an early ep of "The Simpsons."
Will be avoiding this show, not b/c it's a poor version of the original "Battlestar Galactica," but b/c it's "Battlestar Galactica." They could have directed this $$$ into any number of original concepts, or, God help us, more "Farscape," but instead they decided to run a few volts through this corpse to see if it'd sit up. To hell with that.
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Whoever wrote the following line from that movie needs to be strung up by their thumbs:
"Don't you remember? We're aliens..."
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One thing bothers me now, that didn't then, was the aircraft mix. Other than shuttles, the only tactical spacecraft was the fighters, and the only weapon they carried was a laser weapon of some kind.
No jamming craft, or EW craft, and worst of all, no tactical bombers-missile launchers.
The whole idea of having an aircraft carrier isn't just to carry airrcaft. Were that true, they could have pushed a tactical fighter off a garbage scow and lit up the engines. The whole idea of having an aircraft carrier is to project massive offensive military air power across great distances.
You mean to tell me that despite all their great technology they can't come up with a single nuclear tipped cruise missile; that the mission planners couldn't even think of a single small nuclear strike against clearly incompenent robots? They can create a robot dog for some 8 year old mouth-breather, but they can't come up with better ordnance than a laser?
Okay, I have ranted enough.
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I'm sure I'm not the only kid who was scarred for life back in 1980 by this travesty inflicted upon humanity.
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...in this case it's much better being clueless.
It wasn't only the bad physics, it was also crappy acting and crappy sets (a la Von Daniken influence) and they they boasted that they had developed a cookbook method way of generating the space battles so they could dish it up endlessly. And that's what it looked like. Puke. All the space battles were the same. It got boring after episode 1.
Bitter and proud of it.
So the show has the same name as a show you like. Big deal, it's happened before. So the premise of the show is the same as an earlier SF show. Big deal, there are only about four or five premises in the space opera genre anyway. So some of the art style will be reused. Big deal, who cares.
Maybe you should judge the new show on its own merits. A show can be good without being Battlestar Galactica. Anyway, BG was not exactly Shakespeare in the first place.
Geez, you would think that people who believe in open source and the right to reuse things would not make such a furor when someone decides to do something new with existing material.
BH
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This is an interesting thread. I mean, the original battlestar galactica was one of the worst pieces of crap ever and I don't understand the source of the passion for it.
I mean, I can understand someone's objecting to the remake of Galactica on the basis of its being bad television, but I can't understand anyone disliking it from the perspective of someone who is 'preserving a classic.'
I am not, repeat, not, a troll. I just want to express thought that I feel is truthful: Battlestar Galactica was pure seventies nonsense--a show with Hanna-Barbera-cartoon production values, ludicrous plotlines and resolutions. How ludicrous? it's this way:
'look, that basestar has gone close to the surface, blow up the unstable planet under it!'
Its key feature was a cloying, low-brow virtuousness that was painful to watch back in the day, and that is only watchable now because of the series's nostalgia factor for someone who was fourteen at the time.
I can understand someone saying the new version sucks, but, Really, ror anyone to say that the remake betraying it is saying something very, very strange...
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Ugh... If what you just said is true, then they shouldn't have even bothered- it'd been okay as it's own thing, but to have called it Galactica, well...
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What the hell is wrong with you people? It's a FUCKING TV SHOW YOU FUCKING MORONS!
Sheesh. I'm sure I'll get modded down as a troll, but at least look at the post first.
This is a TV show-a pretty stupid one at that-from the late 70's which failed after one stinking season. Galactica 1980 was even worse. Is there nostaglic value? Sure. I still get a kick out of watching the pilot/movie and some of the eps, but overall it's almost as wretchedly stupid as some of those 1940's Flash Gordon serials.
Get a grip! There's got to be something more important, some priority higher than whether or not to watch the new Galactica.
Me, I'm gonna watch it. As I said, I enjoyed the old show (bits of it, anyway) and I'd like to see how they've updated it. Yeah, it'll probably suck like 99.99% of all entertainment these days (including pretty much ever sci-fi-related movie out there right now) but at the very least it might have some entertainment value.
Deciding you're not going to watch it because it's not "Faithful" to the original is assinine. It'd be like not watching Dune (either one) because it's not 100% faithful to the novel. But the worst part is the pontification. GET A GRIP! IT'S JUST A TV SHOW! Save the high-and-mighty attitudes for the Linux v Windows discussions. Sheesh. What a pathetic bunch of losers you people must be!
> What they fail to see is that we should watch the
> story as if it were told from the Cylons'
> perspective. The new series will examine why
> humans are inferior and why Cylons are obligated
> to wage total war to eliminate human evil.
Genocide of a species is never good and never justified. I don't want to invoke Godwin's Law, so I won't elaborate further.
Your idea isn't totally lost. If it was told by a resistance group within the Cylon empire. Some of the original repilians who created the cylons might be alive and might be among the resistance.
The cylon empire may be "the winners" but they won't be absolute winners. There will still be hope.
I still have the plastic "turbolaser blast" from a 70's vintage Colonial Viper up my nose.
I'm not old. I'm 37.
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The Galactica Aircraft carrier idea is basically restating that piranhas and sharks have different advantages and disadvantages. Why limit yourself to one defense (or attack) strategy when you can have it all?
to make it worse than the original!
I have a very small mind and must live with it.
-- E. Dijkstra
Anyhow, back to my original point. Sci-Fi has virtually no good programming. As the person way up above said, they spend a lot of time airing shows that have nothing to do with sci-fi (except for Crossing Over... of course ;p). The final straw was when they killed Farscape. In their deus ex machina ending, Aeryn and John get vaporized and left to die. The crew screams and begs for mercy. And then Sci-Fi thanked the viewers for 5 great years. Yeah - that's what did it for me. The whole "You really don't give a rip about your fans, do you?"
Then there was Mystery Science Theater 3000. It was saved by Sci-Fi after Comedy Central decided to can it, it's true. But they stipulated that MST3K stick with sci-fi and horror movies (Horror is sci-fi? Since when?). Now they run the same five episodes ad nauseum every Saturday. Ironically, Sci-Fi's filler material consists of the same movies Mike and the crew would "pay homage to."
There also was the Saturday Morning Anime a long time ago, which was an introduction for many people to the art form and probably was one of the first major showings of anime on the cable networks. Even if it wasn't the greatest anime, it was better than the Ray Bradbury Theater. But Sci-Fi in their infinite wisdom scrapped that idea as well and the station continues to be decisively animephobic.
So, for me, Sci-Fi is a waste of a television station. A good idea marred by horrible execution and ignorance. Maybe someday they'll get the clue that I don't want to watch cheesy B-movies from the 1950s, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
So it's not a complete diatribe (too late), you might ask what I would do if I were Sci-Fi. Well, first, I'd either surround myself with a combination of older space operas and have at least two exciting new ones. If we can't have the lavish sets of Farscape, we can scale it down a bit. Have some anime movies from time to time. Ditch all of the goth and horror nonsense that isn't sci-fi. It's probably okay to keep some of the new age programming, like the UFO secrets thing or even that show where they have the homebrew sci-fi clips, but don't rely on it. And for crist sake listen to your fans. Not the rabid fanboys who know what kind of underwear Captain Kirk wore in episode 24, but your typical casual fan. Fans make sci-fi work. Without them, you have nothing.
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I kept looking for Hoss.
It might have improved it if he had shown up.
I guess I'm the last good old boy standing who still sees "tranny" as short for "transmission".
If your bitterest enemies are people who hack the heads off civilians, then I would say you're doing something right.
we could all just buy up the shares and become the stockholders that usually fuck things up but instead we'd can the morons that have so completely ruined what once had the potential to be a great network.
Scifi channel is so utterly out of touch with their audience.
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"Now what?" "We wait for the bee"
I'd love to see Burton do something like this.
HIS batman was pretty good.
Kill off an original top-quality show like Farscape, and instead produce drek like Tremors, Battlestar Galactica, and those awful made-for-SciFi movies of theirs.
I'm starting to think they hate science fiction, and should be relabled as the "Schlocky Horror Channel".
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Who the f*ck is Edward James Olmos?
In typical slashdot fashion, it is, of course, assumed that EVERYBODY knows who this guy is and thus not worth mentioning. The arrogance gets annoying after a while.
This new version (without seeing a single episode) is completely devoid of what real fans of the show liked.
Really? Well, I was 6 when the real show came out. Maybe I'd just like to kick it a little bit with some new Galactica. I certainly am a fan (matter of fact I have my tiny little Galactica kids jacket framed in my home) and I would like to say no one alienated me. You just said that you and everyone else has not seen the new Galactica... yet you run it into the ground. Seems like you are obviously in on what is happening with it, which like everyone else here with an opinion means YOU HAVE NO FRIGGIN' IDEA.
Dune was fine. "Children" was actually good. They were all exceptional for low budget. So there you go.
Just because Starbuck is a chick doesn't mean it won't be good. Hell, that actually sounds like fun to me. After all, we're not talking Shakespeare here. We're talking fun. I don't think of Battlestar as a tome to the ages. I think of it as low budget fun that had spaceships that turned left all the time in space.
Screw the mythos. The only mythos I remember in Battlestar was that they all war helmets that looked like pharaohs... and that they did a kind of "wandering people" thing. More Moses to me.
So what if they change it? It was silly stuff to begin with. I doubt there will be any protests in the streets about this one.
Looks like fun... not the meaning of life.
Hmmm... naa, sometimes a joke works better in its implied form.
"Orthodoxy is unconsciousness" - Orwell
Or would that be "heteroamohomosexualist"?
"Orthodoxy is unconsciousness" - Orwell
As bad as it was, BG did pop in a good line or two. One of my favorites (from the few that I watched) was:
"Just what sort of crime is STARBUCKING?"
I'm actually looking forward to this. Sound corny, but I'm curious to actually witness what they've done. Sure, I loved the 70's show, but I'm not so foolish as to think that it is a golden goose. I see potential in this interpretation, even with the less-than-folklore aspect in comparison to the original. I see strong actors, a good plot, and most of all, a far grittier template to work from.
The only thing I've read that I'm less than thrilled about is the sex. I'm sick of sex in sci-fi. I don't want to see Ripley's underwear. I don't want to see the vulcan chick get jelled-up. I don't want to see Baltar getting a hummer from a damned inflatadate!
Karma Whoring for Fun and Profit.
It's either that, or another 24 episodes of Spongebob Squarepants.
:P
Since TechTV has decided to suck these days, might as well watch Sci-Fi for a bit.
though they seem to be doing good with Tremors, Stargate, Farscape, etc.
Not so well. Farscape's cancelled (because of costs, they say, so where do they get money for Galactica?), Tremors is cheap and crappy (as opposed to the movies, which were cheap and fun), and they got Stargate from Showtime, so didn't have to pay the setup costs.
People have asked for Doctor Who since the channel started, and they've always refused - and if KTEH (PBS) can afford it, they certainly can.
"There can be only... An entire race of us on a far off world." It just doesn't have any umph to it....
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Put them on at 1:00 in the morning on Friday and Saturday nights. It's not hotly contested time and the hardcore fans would tune it. If you're hardcore about something that obscure, you just have to take what you can get.
It has all of the cheeziness of anime intended for 7 year olds. Why do they have to triumphantly say the names of their weaponry when they shoot someone? ULLLTRAAA LASER! MONDO ROCKET!!! Gack! It makes me want to gouge my eyeballs out. Speaking of Galactica, it also abuses stock footage. Anytime a composite robot transforms, it's a mini tripout video so they can disguise the fact they always use the same clip for that transform. It also has the worst of anime asthetics when humans are portrayed: Upside down gumdrops for eyes, ultrapermed color coded hair, no chins, and flapping gaping orifices for mouths. It contains every bit of suckness that an action cartoon intended for (uncritical) young boys can have.
At last here is the story line for the new Galactica movie:
A solar storm has rendered space flight and related special effects impossible. Commanded by Manuel "El Guapo" Adama, a ragtag fugitive fleet of carts and wagons cannibalized from supply ships and damaged vipers plods across the western prairie of a faroff planet, dragging the ponderous Battlestar on skids through the punishing dust. In hot pursuit behind them are the leather-clad Cylon clones, grotesquely painted, pierced and feathered but with perfect teeth, riding their armada of heavily armored motorcycles and dune buggies.
Apollo - the commander's idealistic son. An ace fighter pilot, his true love is the accordion.
Francine Starbuck - once a champion triad player and college roommate of Apollo, he underwent a sex change and is now the lesbian lover of Boomer.
Belinda "Boomer" McNeil - beer drinking squadron commander and Starbuck's special friend.
Baltar - a tragic figure, was negotiating a peace treaty between the Cylones and the regular humans when a sudden unexpected solar eclipse fulfilled the ancient prophecy and started a bitter war of extermination. Hailed by the Cylones as their supreme leader, he's really just a nice guy in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Boxie - a robot boy with a real dog. Surrogate son of Apollo and Serena, Boxie accidentally killed his mom with a freak short circuit while handing her the soap. Apollo constantly fights the urge to dismantle him.
No doubt they will miss having that critial group of people who watched the original and remain dedicated fans. I'm sure they'll mourn the loss of all 82 of them.
Relative to the number of people who have never watched this show newcommers (people born after this abortion went off the air) will be in the majority. At best this show, if they like it, will prod some of them into trying to see the original movie and/or episodes. Then they will laugh and turn it off.
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Geeks among us, what is the quickest way to get someone to do something? Tell them NOT to do it, the man is pure genius unlike the Fox executives that have cancelled other excellent shows. What the heck do they know!?
Where he gets a JOB!?!
Dude, you're a corpse raised to enact vengence.
You don't have to pay taxes.
Yes, I know that was insensitive. But it needed to be asked.
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what a fucking bunch of losers.
instead of arguing about the TV...
TURN THE FUCKER OFF!
idiots.
I beg to differ.
Irregardless of what she tells you, a woman who enjoys seeing two women together is either lesbian or bisexual.
Likewise, a homosexual should be pretty grossed out by seeing a heter-sexual couple in action. If it's not THIS way, I don't know how you would ever be able to assign the labels: hetero, homo, and bi to sexuality.
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Gee whiz, they shot the thing in some shopping mall and I think the only spaceship shot was a launch plume (could have used stock footage of a Saturn V takeoff.)
Some might call it "intelligent sci-fi" - I call it cheap and boring. Give me a rousing Space Opera any day over the visual valium of Gattaca.
I always wanted (and still do) to be one for Halloween, now THAT'D be cool.
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Been bugging me all day, theres the correct quote.
Spaceship? Pray tell, what does spaceships have to do with Science Fiction?
You have had too much Star Trek/Wars brainwashing.
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The summary shows an astounding lack of attention to the news story. Please go back and reread the first few paragraphs. Olmos is not telling critics to tell their readers not to watch the show. He is telling hardcore fans that they will probably not like it, and therefore not to watch it. Neither comment would be an extraordinarily wise one coming from a lead actor in the show, but the latter is obviously far less damaging, seeing as how there are quite a lot of people who will be seeing the new show without ever having seen the original.
Certainly a lot of purists (whatever that means, since we are, in fact, talking about a TV show, for Pete's sake) are going to throw up their hands in disgust at any tinkering with the original's characters, plot points, art design, costumes, hardware, and whatever else it is that people of that ilk fuss and obsess over instead of living their lives. But the show's writer, Ron Moore, does bring up some very interesting points in the far more illuminating article available at the Mercury News. There was a lot of deeper drama that was never touched in the original, even though I suspect that the strong thread of spirituality and morality that ran through the original series will probably not be as prevalent in the new one. For some people that's not a problem; my personal view is that good writing is good writing, so I'll judge for myself after I see the show.
I have fond memories of the original myself (well, up to the 1980 abortion they called a series comeback), but that probably has something to do with the fact that I was 9 years old. I'm hoping that the channel that aired the first really decent adaptation of "Dune" might actually be able to pull off something that is a little more filling in the dramatic sense than the cotton candy that was the original series. I mean, let's face it, folks, a good bit of the time the original was about as dumb as a box of hair.
I have to say that, on the whole, I am pretty impressed with Olmos' straightforwardness. It's probably not incredibly politic for him to have done, but it took a lot of guts for him to speak the truth out loud, when other people don't want to for fear of riling up the obsessives and fanatics. That'll get me to watch, and now it's up to the writer(s), actors and director to keep me interested.
The actors' fees may have been a significant part of the film's cost. If the actors were unknowns perhaps the film would have done better on the balance sheet. :)
I appreciated the movie because it was focused on the implications of a single technological field. Scifi is always a tension between fantasy and prediction and I liked that Gattaca didn't need to make myriad predictions about technological issues that were peripheral to the plot. It felt chiseled down to its essentials, a well proportioned but stylised film.
But YMMV
What does "irregardless" mean?
Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
Installing Longhorn should just about do it.
I'm very much in favour of shooting the smoking remains of the daggit into space, both for the intrinsic pleasure and because it'd have given them more than the three or four launch sequences that they had. And used. Again, and again, and again...
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Wow. Where's my Nobel Prize?!
IgNobel Prize?
Oh well... we trailblazers are never appreciated in our time.
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Gattaca cost about $36,000,000 to make. Not chump-change, but Star Trek: Nemesis cost almost twice as much - $70,000,000; Erin Brokovich cost $51 million, for comparison.
ST: Nemesis has grossed $97.5 million already. Gattaca has made less than $20 million since it came out in 1997. Battlefield Earth grossed more than Gattaca did (although, with a $70 million price tag, it at least had the decency to lose money, too.) And you wonder why they don't make challenging SF, and keep milking the franchises dry?
I thought Gattaca was everything that cinematic SF should be - a reflection on the effects of speculated technology on human endeavour, with a good, character-driven story that avoided melodrama. Like much good SF, it was both about our time and not about our time - and the cinematography was a delight.
In the UK, all MTV shows are music videos. The sci-fi channel's still crap though.
And it had a ridiculously cheesy ad campaign. I remember the trailers alone managed to keep me away when it was in theaters, though I eventually enjoyed it on video.
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Bleh!
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He didn't say he knew them biblically. Oh, I see, it was implied.
Sadly I can't get the Theme from 'Dual, Parallel Trouble Adventure' out of my head. And Soultaker is a very nice style to it. I really enjoyed the Silent Mobius Movie, but yeah, it Feldergarb.
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Buck Rogers...now THERE is a show that deserves a good, solid "re-imagining" if there ever was one. Just so long as they hang on to the skin-tight costumes and restrict all female cast members to model-grade starlets (brains optional, but strongly discouraged), they'll have a very loyal audience indeed.
Erin Gray 0wned my adolescence.
And then there was the darker side of the show, which was really only suggested in the most vague terms...images of a nuclear holocaust which nearly eliminated humanity...the loss of so much of the species' culture (hamburgers?)...and the presumed lonliness of a man out of place in time.
Those dreary portions actually stimulated my imagination a lot as a young teenager, particularly when the stimulation of Col. Deering departing a room (sway...sway...sway...) wore off for a while.
Special effects from that time were very cheap to accomplish. Sci-Fi (channel) could, today, do even better with a $500 Dell PC and a copy of Adobe Premiere (or a linux box with appropriate tools..but then that might require a little learning curve, which takes time, and time is money, etc.).
So, you big bad executive producers, soak up a few episodes of Buck Rogers...then go whip your "re-imaginer" with whatever grade of damp pasta is required to bring THAT show back, 21st Century Style!
I want to be able to point at the TV when the last episodes of cancelled shows are broadcast and yell, "Ha-haah!"
Oh wait, I already do. "I said, 'Ha-haah!'"
BSG followed TV's long tradition of cloning and imitating successful movies. In this case it copied the immensely successful first Star Wars movie and its FX innovations.
TV SciFi was pretty successful up to the mid-1960s with Outer Limits, Star Trek I, Jetsons, Twilight Zone, and even the cheesy Lost in Space. However they were very expensive to produce. Then along came the death of technological utopiaism that followed WWII and culminated in the Moon landing. Big science was seen as evil- pollutors and war-promoters.
Likewise, a homosexual should be pretty grossed out by seeing a heter-sexual couple in action.
:-)
:-) The big three labels (hetero, homo, bi) are merely broad categories. They're not the only categories (at the very least you've left out asexual), and there is tons of variety within each one. If I were you, I'd use labels like that as a convenience, but don't put too much into them. No single label ever fits anyone perfectly.
Not really true. I'm 100% homosexual, and I can watch straight porn. Well, I can if the guy is good looking. Two women together don't gross me out, it's just dull and boring. A man and a woman together, well, I just concentrate on the man and I wish I were with him, and ignore the girl. Two men together, now that's *hot*.
The one thing I don't get is I have several lesbian friends who like watching gay male porn. They say it's "hotter" than lesbian porn. That, I just don't get at ALL.
I guess it just goes to show how complex human sexuality really is, huh?
"Did anyone like the Alien Nation series?"
Oh, it was just okay.
"Did anyone still like it when Sci-Fi saw fit to air it several times a day?"
No. But not as much as I hate seeing the same damn commerical many times in an hour. That is sooo cheap.
Cheap yes...but Sci-Fi probably needs the money. It doesn't have the kind of financial backing that other channels have. For example, TLC has the Discovery Channel, a major money maker.
At least I haven't had to endure another Sci-Fi Chain Reaction in a while.
Ya know what I love about that image? /.er will now probably create that scene.
That with the way CGI is advancing, give it another three years or so and some bored
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am I the only one that sees a cronic pattern of behavior by fans that re-makes and spins offs should cater to their own personal memory of the series? Has it ever dawned on anyone that the re-made show isn't for the old fans but maybe, just maybe, written for a new crowd of people? All I head is whiny Trekkie-types complaining that it isn't like they remember it. Perhaps that is the point. Not ever spin-off of a franchise if meant to cater to the fading memory of "OLD SCHOOL" fan.
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To recap, I said:
>No. But not as much as I hate seeing the same >damn commerical many times in an hour. That is >sooo cheap.
And then Angry Pixie said:
>Cheap yes...but Sci-Fi probably needs the money. >It doesn't have the kind of financial backing >that other channels have. For example, TLC has >the Discovery Channel, a major money maker.
>
>At least I haven't had to endure another Sci-Fi >Chain Reaction in a while.
And now I come back and say:
I don't understand. It would seem that Sci-Fi would make more money by selling more unique adverts that selling the same ones over and over. I imagine they have to offer a discount when the same is shown 6 times an hour.
I mean cheap as in whoredogslut cheap.
Come on! Craptacularness?
Craptacularity, craptacularity, craptacularity!
Let's get it right, people! The whole world is watching.
Sometimes the truth hurts. If this really is a poorly made remake then I give the guy credit for speaking the truth.
Oh, I misread that. I thought you didn't like the sheer amount of commercials. My retort... Sci-Fi has a hard time finding advertisers willing to pay for what is likely exposure to a very small demographic. If you want to sell Formula 409, the Big Three are still the best places to advertise, and if you want to sell high-end electronics, you go for the yuppie crowd watching TNT, WB, and Fox. That must be it. Why else must I endure Girls Gone Wild commerials on Comedy Central? I guess advertisers assume that Sci-Fi channels fans aren't interested in anything other than Highlander/Xena/Hercules collectables... well, Girls Gone Wild videos too.
As a result, Sci-Fi is forced to air their limited commercials more often in order to fill the allotted time for commercials breaks. They probably have to sell advertising time at a discount as it is. If this is the case, their whole business model is wrong. They shouldn't be bartering (I believe that's the word they use in media)for time.
Oh, apparently we Sci-Fans eat at Applebee's and Chile's A LOT!
vh1 is the same way, in face mtv2 was created to show videos, but seems like less and less are shown.
the only all video channels MTV offers are their genre channels, such as mtvx(all metal, later replaced by MTVJ) vh1 classic etc.
Bring back the old version of slashdot.