some that failed succeeded as engineering projects, i.e. they handled the load and were designed to spec. Pets.com didn't die because it's ecommerce system was insufficiently engineered.
>What drives the valley are those who are innovative and visionary, those who can create revolutionary technology.
I think this drove the valley into the ground.
The good coders (assuming they really are good), make good tools and systems. Visionaries MIGHT accomplish something, but more often they don't.
The bubble could have deflated more smoothly if people had focussed on making useful tools, focussing on areas that the Internet (etc.) could really address.
On the other hand, the method that booms really use is probably better in the end, they just try every idea possible including nonsense, just a breadth first search of the possibilities. Some of the stupid ideas work out and wouldn't be tried if logic ruled the day. So why limit yourself to sensible endeavors?
Really, there is no one to actually blame, this is how technology evolves, we just need an economic system that can process the people and get them back to work when this happens.
My impression has become that mentions of duplicates are generally intended as criticism.
A knee-jerk criticism. I may be developing a knee-jerk defensive reaction. Maybe the post meant "yeah! covering this again! woohoo!" I admit I do not know.
While it's debatable, I hold that the answer to that is determined, it's clearly relative. It's subjective and conditioned. The part that is not conditioned but is genetic, that's not particularly forgiven from being relative because it's genetic... we all have unique genes. Genes expressions are also relative.
But there are lots of underlying reasons that form the subjective judgement, some are no doubt advantageous and may have been selected by evolution. So I don't have a comment on beauty being an ideal vs. being a variation from the norm. I just apreciated the question of if it was absolute vs. relative.
The new link was more informative, I think, than the original.
Repetition is a good thing. I think it's interesting the obsession that has grown against duplicate stories... so called. Like all the stories on 9/12 about the Twin Towers thing. We heard already, sheesh! If something is news, you cover developments.
That's the way it goes, an interesting thing, stays interesting. New people are born or listen for the first time to the interesting news.
oh yes, swashbuckler! and the original Worlfenstein.
You have mentioned two of the true classics... and thanks... I had forgotten swachbuckler [/me tries to find MAME ROM in the denuded MAME underground,/me tries to pay for ROM]
This is really an eye opener. I have worked in online games in the early years, even prior to the commercialization of the internat, at TSN. We ended up completing a huge persistent world, only to have it die from various issues at AOL, which had bought us.
I am very touched by your story, so what I want to know... what addicted you... and how it is implemented [/me grabs notebook] -- tell me, how can I addict millions of people to my games.:)
Just kidding, I only make games in my spare time now. So tell me.
Not really, that would be immoral. But just for intellectual curiosity so I can give the first hour away for free--- did I say that out loud..? hope not.
Seriously though, EQ has that quality for people, and I don't get it... it's the same old tedium to me. I want to explore and experience interactive plot. I can't be made addicted to hack and slash leveling, the prestige of level is meaningless to my psuche. But then, it does appeal to a lot of people. Is EQ tunes THAT well? It didn't seem so to me when I played it, but I'm probably negatively biased. My dislike of that kind of gaming is a large reason I'm not working in the game industry any more.
do you remember the original karateka disks had a great easter egg, if you put the disk in upside down, the game booted from the back appeared upside down. I loved that.
what a great game. But tell me, why are you not also playing Aztec! Still a great great game... worth loading up an emulator for those without original hardware - although I don't know how you would go about getting the image to your machine, no, honestly, I don't. I guess it's legal to download it if you have the disk sitting next to you.
because they don't seem to be really putting forward a patent suit... they are relying on their license aggreement and NDAs. They say IBM violated a deal. They can't go after people they havn't licensed to because the Unix patents are mostly expired and they have obliterated their claims by releasing the code themselves under GPL, which requires you to give a free licence to use your patents should you distribute patented code.
well, looking at my rejected submissions there are about 25 cool stories you didn't get to read!
The best was my first "All Your Turds Are Belong To Us", about that guy that hacked his previous employer, a sewage company, and released sewage into places sewage shouldn't be released.
I think I too would subscribe to get a look at all the stories that get submitted.
Back in the early 90's when I was looking for a job out of school I nearly applied for a job programming Poker Games for casinos.
But I didn't, because I was affraid of the temptation, the mighty temptation to make a back door. (when drawing a 2 of clubs, throw all the cards out but the 2 of clubs... jackpot!)
After which I imagined the difficulty I'd have breathing underwater.
PS: never have made a back door, what a pain. For those that say they do for "debugging", you've got me confused, what good is that? Why not just have an account? Are you working for free -- the customer doesn't KNOW you are debugging? why?
Just another feature to code and big security worry.
this is the same "problem" that plagues Philosophy.
It's held in much disdain for arguments lasting hundreds or even thousands of years without solution, it "accomplishes nothing", but this is partially true because as soon as it does accomplish something, people think about the something as separate from philosophy, and don't really credit the spin off.
E.g. mathematics and physics (aka Natural Philosophy). And logic is still their dominion. Such is the way of life for those that would wander so far from the herd. If they mind... they are the wrong person for the task.
the game industry needs the Turing test solved, and barring that, cleverly accomplished such that with suspension of disbelief it's effectively solved for the purposes of pretend.
Not a practical problem? It sure felt practical when I was in the game industry. This lack is the major reason games suck, not only due to bad AI in the games, but due to the fact that many games are entirely off limits because they require Turing Test contenders to pull off... like an RPG with a human-like Game Master.
You could send a probe every 12 years when Jupiter is in the same place in it's orbit. You could also send them more often in a spiral as Jupiter went around.
I guess the point is that to go to deep space you only need one planet so you have a lot more flexibility. And if you did need a multiple planets, it's still only the vector from the final planet that has to be the same.
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One could say it was about how Fred Brooks solved those problems for IBM.
IOW, in 1975 IBM employed a fellow that knew what every failed dot bomb wished it shoulda knew.
some dot coms succeeded.
some that failed succeeded as engineering projects, i.e. they handled the load and were designed to spec. Pets.com didn't die because it's ecommerce system was insufficiently engineered.
>What drives the valley are those who are innovative and visionary, those who can create revolutionary technology.
I think this drove the valley into the ground.
The good coders (assuming they really are good), make good tools and systems. Visionaries MIGHT accomplish something, but more often they don't.
The bubble could have deflated more smoothly if people had focussed on making useful tools, focussing on areas that the Internet (etc.) could really address.
On the other hand, the method that booms really use is probably better in the end, they just try every idea possible including nonsense, just a breadth first search of the possibilities. Some of the stupid ideas work out and wouldn't be tried if logic ruled the day. So why limit yourself to sensible endeavors?
Really, there is no one to actually blame, this is how technology evolves, we just need an economic system that can process the people and get them back to work when this happens.
I consider that possible.
My impression has become that mentions of duplicates are generally intended as criticism.
A knee-jerk criticism. I may be developing a knee-jerk defensive reaction. Maybe the post meant "yeah! covering this again! woohoo!" I admit I do not know.
While it's debatable, I hold that the answer to that is determined, it's clearly relative. It's subjective and conditioned. The part that is not conditioned but is genetic, that's not particularly forgiven from being relative because it's genetic... we all have unique genes. Genes expressions are also relative.
But there are lots of underlying reasons that form the subjective judgement, some are no doubt advantageous and may have been selected by evolution. So I don't have a comment on beauty being an ideal vs. being a variation from the norm. I just apreciated the question of if it was absolute vs. relative.
what is the problem with it being a dupe exactly?
I didn't see that article at the time.
The new link was more informative, I think, than the original.
Repetition is a good thing. I think it's interesting the obsession that has grown against duplicate stories... so called. Like all the stories on 9/12 about the Twin Towers thing. We heard already, sheesh! If something is news, you cover developments.
That's the way it goes, an interesting thing, stays interesting. New people are born or listen for the first time to the interesting news.
oh yes, swashbuckler! and the original Worlfenstein.
/me tries to pay for ROM]
You have mentioned two of the true classics... and thanks... I had forgotten swachbuckler [/me tries to find MAME ROM in the denuded MAME underground,
This is really an eye opener. I have worked in online games in the early years, even prior to the commercialization of the internat, at TSN. We ended up completing a huge persistent world, only to have it die from various issues at AOL, which had bought us.
:)
I am very touched by your story, so what I want to know... what addicted you... and how it is implemented [/me grabs notebook] -- tell me, how can I addict millions of people to my games.
Just kidding, I only make games in my spare time now. So tell me.
Not really, that would be immoral. But just for intellectual curiosity so I can give the first hour away for free--- did I say that out loud..? hope not.
Seriously though, EQ has that quality for people, and I don't get it... it's the same old tedium to me. I want to explore and experience interactive plot. I can't be made addicted to hack and slash leveling, the prestige of level is meaningless to my psuche. But then, it does appeal to a lot of people. Is EQ tunes THAT well? It didn't seem so to me when I played it, but I'm probably negatively biased. My dislike of that kind of gaming is a large reason I'm not working in the game industry any more.
-end of consciousness stream-
do you remember the original karateka disks had a great easter egg, if you put the disk in upside down, the game booted from the back appeared upside down. I loved that.
what a great game. But tell me, why are you not also playing Aztec! Still a great great game... worth loading up an emulator for those without original hardware - although I don't know how you would go about getting the image to your machine, no, honestly, I don't. I guess it's legal to download it if you have the disk sitting next to you.
because they don't seem to be really putting forward a patent suit... they are relying on their license aggreement and NDAs. They say IBM violated a deal. They can't go after people they havn't licensed to because the Unix patents are mostly expired and they have obliterated their claims by releasing the code themselves under GPL, which requires you to give a free licence to use your patents should you distribute patented code.
Perens was mentioning that they are run by the "Canopy Group", meaning actually micromanaged as well as owned.
I'm just repeating here, I don't know the details myself, but Canopy Group has investments in many companies, including TrollTech.
?
>Dammned if you do...
you came back in time from the future and killed yourself in the middle of that sentence didn't you!?
They should just patent the process of destructions of the universe, and not license the process to the universe.
And if the universe uses the patent without permission, sue the universe!
1. Patent the Process of Universal Destruction
2. ???
3. Profit!
Where "???" reperesents total destruction of everything.
Hey, the straight man isn't supposed to say the punch line! You cheated!
well, looking at my rejected submissions there are about 25 cool stories you didn't get to read!
The best was my first "All Your Turds Are Belong To Us", about that guy that hacked his previous employer, a sewage company, and released sewage into places sewage shouldn't be released.
I think I too would subscribe to get a look at all the stories that get submitted.
...here
Back in the early 90's when I was looking for a job out of school I nearly applied for a job programming Poker Games for casinos.
But I didn't, because I was affraid of the temptation, the mighty temptation to make a back door. (when drawing a 2 of clubs, throw all the cards out but the 2 of clubs... jackpot!)
After which I imagined the difficulty I'd have breathing underwater.
PS: never have made a back door, what a pain. For those that say they do for "debugging", you've got me confused, what good is that? Why not just have an account? Are you working for free -- the customer doesn't KNOW you are debugging? why?
Just another feature to code and big security worry.
this is the same "problem" that plagues Philosophy.
It's held in much disdain for arguments lasting hundreds or even thousands of years without solution, it "accomplishes nothing", but this is partially true because as soon as it does accomplish something, people think about the something as separate from philosophy, and don't really credit the spin off.
E.g. mathematics and physics (aka Natural Philosophy). And logic is still their dominion. Such is the way of life for those that would wander so far from the herd. If they mind... they are the wrong person for the task.
the game industry needs the Turing test solved, and barring that, cleverly accomplished such that with suspension of disbelief it's effectively solved for the purposes of pretend.
Not a practical problem? It sure felt practical when I was in the game industry. This lack is the major reason games suck, not only due to bad AI in the games, but due to the fact that many games are entirely off limits because they require Turing Test contenders to pull off... like an RPG with a human-like Game Master.
so, where did I steal that from?
(I've heard "I'm a quantum mechanic" before... but I don't recall where, and I was ripping off that term consciously with "orbital mechanic")
they landed a RC car on mars and drove it around you idiot.
AND they were always a political organization at the top, the engineers were merely the best... guess what? They still ARE!
Why anonymous?
you think that driving a car is a better sign of intelligence than a stimulating conversation?
you're wrong then.
You could send a probe every 12 years when Jupiter is in the same place in it's orbit. You could also send them more often in a spiral as Jupiter went around.
I guess the point is that to go to deep space you only need one planet so you have a lot more flexibility. And if you did need a multiple planets, it's still only the vector from the final planet that has to be the same.
anonymous... good choice.
so having, for example, socialized police protection in the US makes us communists?
Or is it the socialized road infrastructure? Is that what makes America communist?
No I get it... socialized military systems... that's the communist making thing.
Or is it just socialized medicine that makes THEM communists?