Very limited experience with developing an RTOS? CE has been in the field for 10 years.
No experience with the other options? Do you think Microsoft hires people who are ignorant of their own field? Speaking only for myself, I was a firmware developer in the cellular industry prior to coming here, and have a long background in Unix and non-MS embedded systems. Many of us do.
Tools download - actually the tools are substantial. I'd order the DVD or set of CDs, but I know some folks would rather download over night than pay the $6 S&H.
I'm a developer on the Windows CE team at Microsoft.
Microsoft offers a minimum of 5 years support for Windows CE. Beyond that you can get up to 5 more years support (at additional cost). Click here to read more about how we support Windows CE.
We're active on the newsgroups as well, as are many of the more experience developers who've used CE in their products.
I'm not familiar with ETX hardware, but we have excellent support for x86-based CPUs and the usual peripherals. You can even add device drivers to your build by dragging and dropping them from the catalog in our IDE. You can download our tools and most of the source code (even the kernel) here. It's a free 4-month trial, so please check it out.
Unfortunately there's a lot of misunderstanding around this. IANAL, but I am a Windows CE developer at Microsoft.
The majority of the Windows CE source code is available (2.5+ million lines). It's free and there are no restrictions. Code includes:
Explorer Shell
HTTP Web Server
SOAP and uPNP Protocol Implementations
UPnP AV toolkit
Infrared Data Association protocol
Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol V6 Lite (DHCPV6)
Wireless Network Drivers, including Bluetooth
Kernel code
File System
Storage Code
C run-time (CRT)
Binary Rom Image file system
Windows Sockets Interface (WinSock)
Point to Point Protocol (PPP)
You just click a checkbox when installing the developer tools (which have a 4-month free trial).
The "NDA" is basically this (taken from our website): "In exchange for obtaining access to one of Microsoft's most valuable assets, Microsoft requests that customers respect our intellectual property and treat that intellectual property confidentially."
I.E., you don't publish the code - but anyone who wants to can download the source from us after accepting the EULA. The converse is that any changes YOU make to the code are yours. You needn't share them with anyone, including Microsoft (unlike the GPL but similar to BSD).
NOTE: there is also the "Premium" shared source license. This gets you even more code, but is only available to larger OEMs (I believe you have to ship 5,000 devices in the previous year to qualify).
This would seem almost inevitable. We've always been able to run Darwin on COTS x86 hardware; the only thing preventing a full OS X port to x86 was lack of source for Quartz/frameworks/applications/etc.
Now that Apple will be shipping x86 bits on DVD, porting OS X to a Dell is "simply" a matter of writing the device drivers/BSP and implementing OpenFirmware in place of the PC BIOS. That last part could be interesting, but doesn't sound too awful.
What else would it take? I can't really think of anything. I'd say with the full force of the open source community behind it OS X on PC hardware/will/ happen, at least as a "Look, Ma!" stunt. Of course, Apple will probably file a Cease and Desist.
This was part of Cringely's excellent documentary
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The Lost 1984 Mac Video
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Most of this footage has been available for years within Robert Cringely's excellent documentary, Triumph of the Nerds.
No self-respecting geek or Apple fan should be without it! Three tapes' worth of interviews with industry pioneers, from Homebrew Computer Club to Microsoft. Steve Ballmer and Larry Ellison are fascinating, but Steve Jobs steals the show:
The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste, they have absolutely no taste, and what that means is - I don't mean that in a small way I mean that in a big way. In the sense that they don't think of original ideas and they don't bring much culture into their product ehm and you say why is that important - well you know proportionally spaced fonts come from type setting and beautiful books, that's where one gets the idea - if it weren't for the Mac they would never have that in their products and ehm so I guess I am saddened, not by Microsoft's success - I have no problem with their success, they've earned their success. For the most part. I have a problem with the fact that they just make really third rate products.
- Steve Jobs
It's really a shame this isn't part of the Space Exhibit that's currently in Seattle and slated to tour the country for the next four years. I'd love to see these little fellas getting greater exposure; I only make it to the Smithsonian once every ten years.
Your true story (and Markoff)
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Any plans to write a book about your early experiences becoming a hacker, your exploits and what it was like to be living on the run from the feds? Or is "The Fugitive Game" to be considered your authorized story?
Frankly this personal, social, exploration story is the book I think many of us would like to see, though of course I bought "Art of Deception."
On that note, did you ever receive any compensation from John Markoff or from any of the print/film versions of "Takedown"?
I only need to know one thing -- where to send my pleading fan letter. I'll gladly sit through a longer Trek film if it gives me what I want -- character development, backstory, FEELING. I grew up with ST:TNG -- this is part of my long-lost childhood they're cutting goddamnit.
We know Nemesis is probably gonna be weak, and we know it'll be the last TNG film -- of which not one to date has lived up to the Trek movie franchise. Why can't they leave in the few things that might make it a really special gift to the fans??
I mean really -- Christian Slater gets his cameo but Wil-fucking-Wheaton gets chopped? This breaks my heart. Even ten seconds of Wesley Crusher dying in a space-battle -- even a glimpse of Wesley in the background as an inside joke -- would delight the fan in me.
Case in point: Tasha Yar. How popular was that? 'Nuf said.
Disclaimer: I am/was an employee of AT&T Fixed Wireless Services.
Disclaimer 2: My opinion in NO WAY represents my role as an employee, nor do I speak for the company.
I just wanted to say that while AT&T as a larger organization has had its problems, AT&T Wireless is not about to leave our customers "high and dry." Nor will we be "spontaneous and unappologetic."
The Fixed Wireless project has been in development for over five years, drawing some of the finest engineers and businesspeople in the industry, and the company has a firm committment to a "phased exit." That means the first item on our agenda is performing an orderly transition of each and every customer back to another local service provider. To quote a senior executive, "we'll do it in a way that makes customer care a priority. After all, we're talking about people's dialtones."
It may also be helpful to remeber that AT&T Wireless alone has 20-30 thousand employees, and that divisions within AT&T (such as AT&T Broadband) aren't neccessarily in collusion to provide a negative customer experience. Most of us are intensely proud to be part of such an American icon, and work very hard to keep our customers happy.
We're very sad that we can't continue to provide this excellent service to even more customers. Despite the ignorant claims that will be made against the technology, it worked extremely well and we had people demanding the service at a rate far exceeding how quickly we could install them. Several times we had to tell our marketing folks "stop selling the product, we can't keep up." Unfortunately there is a growth period before a business becomes profitable, and we didn't make it to the finish line this time.
This is a great indication of how we all want and will benefit from competition for phone and high speed internet services, and it's too bad (and yes ironic) that AT&T couldn't help make this competition a reality. Please remember that the next time you or someone you know bitches about paying an exhorbitant rate for DSL service to your local monopoly telco.
Lastly, rest assured that the technology is rock-solid and despite current economic problems and failing companies, you haven't heard the last word on broadband access in the home.
Oh, and I'm a software engineer, not a marketroid. I'm just proud of what we did here.:-)
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This "article" is obvious a thinly-veiled advertisement ahead of the holidays. "Shop with us instead of Amazon." Lame.
Holy God! I salute you! :-)
But isn't that pretty much every day in comments, Threshold: 1?
OK, I'll bite.
Very limited experience with developing an RTOS? CE has been in the field for 10 years.
No experience with the other options? Do you think Microsoft hires people who are ignorant of their own field? Speaking only for myself, I was a firmware developer in the cellular industry prior to coming here, and have a long background in Unix and non-MS embedded systems. Many of us do.
Tools download - actually the tools are substantial. I'd order the DVD or set of CDs, but I know some folks would rather download over night than pay the $6 S&H.
Cheers.
I'm a developer on the Windows CE team at Microsoft.
Microsoft offers a minimum of 5 years support for Windows CE. Beyond that you can get up to 5 more years support (at additional cost). Click here to read more about how we support Windows CE.
We're active on the newsgroups as well, as are many of the more experience developers who've used CE in their products.
I'm not familiar with ETX hardware, but we have excellent support for x86-based CPUs and the usual peripherals. You can even add device drivers to your build by dragging and dropping them from the catalog in our IDE. You can download our tools and most of the source code (even the kernel) here. It's a free 4-month trial, so please check it out.
Good luck with your project!
Unfortunately there's a lot of misunderstanding around this. IANAL, but I am a Windows CE developer at Microsoft.
The majority of the Windows CE source code is available (2.5+ million lines). It's free and there are no restrictions. Code includes:
Explorer Shell
HTTP Web Server
SOAP and uPNP Protocol Implementations
UPnP AV toolkit
Infrared Data Association protocol
Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol V6 Lite (DHCPV6)
Wireless Network Drivers, including Bluetooth
Kernel code
File System
Storage Code
C run-time (CRT)
Binary Rom Image file system
Windows Sockets Interface (WinSock)
Point to Point Protocol (PPP)
You just click a checkbox when installing the developer tools (which have a 4-month free trial).
The "NDA" is basically this (taken from our website): "In exchange for obtaining access to one of Microsoft's most valuable assets, Microsoft requests that customers respect our intellectual property and treat that intellectual property confidentially."
I.E., you don't publish the code - but anyone who wants to can download the source from us after accepting the EULA. The converse is that any changes YOU make to the code are yours. You needn't share them with anyone, including Microsoft (unlike the GPL but similar to BSD).
Here's an overview of the shared source license.
Here's more detail at www.microsoft.com, including a link to the full license
NOTE: there is also the "Premium" shared source license. This gets you even more code, but is only available to larger OEMs (I believe you have to ship 5,000 devices in the previous year to qualify).
This would seem almost inevitable. We've always been able to run Darwin on COTS x86 hardware; the only thing preventing a full OS X port to x86 was lack of source for Quartz/frameworks/applications/etc.
/will/ happen, at least as a "Look, Ma!" stunt. Of course, Apple will probably file a Cease and Desist.
Now that Apple will be shipping x86 bits on DVD, porting OS X to a Dell is "simply" a matter of writing the device drivers/BSP and implementing OpenFirmware in place of the PC BIOS. That last part could be interesting, but doesn't sound too awful.
What else would it take? I can't really think of anything. I'd say with the full force of the open source community behind it OS X on PC hardware
For those who aren't clued in, this is a reference to the excellent mockumentary "This is Spinal Tap."
It's really a shame this isn't part of the Space Exhibit that's currently in Seattle and slated to tour the country for the next four years. I'd love to see these little fellas getting greater exposure; I only make it to the Smithsonian once every ten years.
Any plans to write a book about your early experiences becoming a hacker, your exploits and what it was like to be living on the run from the feds? Or is "The Fugitive Game" to be considered your authorized story?
Frankly this personal, social, exploration story is the book I think many of us would like to see, though of course I bought "Art of Deception."
On that note, did you ever receive any compensation from John Markoff or from any of the print/film versions of "Takedown"?
I only need to know one thing -- where to send my pleading fan letter. I'll gladly sit through a longer Trek film if it gives me what I want -- character development, backstory, FEELING. I grew up with ST:TNG -- this is part of my long-lost childhood they're cutting goddamnit.
We know Nemesis is probably gonna be weak, and we know it'll be the last TNG film -- of which not one to date has lived up to the Trek movie franchise. Why can't they leave in the few things that might make it a really special gift to the fans??
I mean really -- Christian Slater gets his cameo but Wil-fucking-Wheaton gets chopped? This breaks my heart. Even ten seconds of Wesley Crusher dying in a space-battle -- even a glimpse of Wesley in the background as an inside joke -- would delight the fan in me.
Case in point: Tasha Yar. How popular was that? 'Nuf said.
- Sean
Disclaimer: I am/was an employee of AT&T Fixed Wireless Services.
:-)
Disclaimer 2: My opinion in NO WAY represents my role as an employee, nor do I speak for the company.
I just wanted to say that while AT&T as a larger organization has had its problems, AT&T Wireless is not about to leave our customers "high and dry." Nor will we be "spontaneous and unappologetic."
The Fixed Wireless project has been in development for over five years, drawing some of the finest engineers and businesspeople in the industry, and the company has a firm committment to a "phased exit." That means the first item on our agenda is performing an orderly transition of each and every customer back to another local service provider. To quote a senior executive, "we'll do it in a way that makes customer care a priority. After all, we're talking about people's dialtones."
It may also be helpful to remeber that AT&T Wireless alone has 20-30 thousand employees, and that divisions within AT&T (such as AT&T Broadband) aren't neccessarily in collusion to provide a negative customer experience. Most of us are intensely proud to be part of such an American icon, and work very hard to keep our customers happy.
We're very sad that we can't continue to provide this excellent service to even more customers. Despite the ignorant claims that will be made against the technology, it worked extremely well and we had people demanding the service at a rate far exceeding how quickly we could install them. Several times we had to tell our marketing folks "stop selling the product, we can't keep up." Unfortunately there is a growth period before a business becomes profitable, and we didn't make it to the finish line this time.
This is a great indication of how we all want and will benefit from competition for phone and high speed internet services, and it's too bad (and yes ironic) that AT&T couldn't help make this competition a reality. Please remember that the next time you or someone you know bitches about paying an exhorbitant rate for DSL service to your local monopoly telco.
Lastly, rest assured that the technology is rock-solid and despite current economic problems and failing companies, you haven't heard the last word on broadband access in the home.
Oh, and I'm a software engineer, not a marketroid. I'm just proud of what we did here.