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The Lost 1984 Mac Video
An anonymous reader writes "Never seen video footage of the introduction of the Macintosh in January 1984 was published for the first time on the Internet today. Renowned Mac user Scott Knaster kept that Betamax video tape for 21 years, and German media agency TextLab has unearthed this only surviving video tape of the launch." They could probably use more mirrors for the 22MB movie.
Patience, honey.
The next download slot will be free
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Saying "They could probably use more mirrors for the 22MB movie." as you post it to Slashdot's frontpage mid-day is like walking up to a guy after a fight, knifing him in the stomach and saying "You could probably use more bandages for your wounds."
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Here are some magnet/edonkey mirror links:
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After Lord Of The Rings, I have learnt to wait for the extended director's platinum cut version before committing myself.
Wait for the 33MB version!
Rock that crushes, Paper & Scissors that don't matter.
Never seen video footage [...] Renowned Mac user Scott Knaster kept that Betamax video tape for 21 years
And he never watched it?!?! What about the camera man? Was he blind?
I'm afraid to watch this - I heard about that world's funniest joke. Sounds like they've taken special precautions here.
Slashdotted in German?
Does anyone else find it oddly fitting that this was preserved on a Betamax tape?
Apple is really gonna sue him!
"They could probably use more mirrors for the 22MB movie."
/.'ed real quick. At least the site has a sense of humor about it...
d eo.php
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The best mirror would be a torrent. Anyone have one yet? I'm sure this is going to get
http://industrial-technology-and-witchcraft.de/vi
Patience, honey.
The next download slot will be free
in 0 minutes and 18 seconds
And the countdown seems to repeat over and over again
I know I've seen this video online a while back. I dont exactly remember it being 'lost' anywhere.
Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
CGI-limits reached, please try again later!
Oh well, guess I waited for 21 years, I can wait a few more hours until it's mirrored elsewhere.
-- If god wanted me to have a sig, he'd have given me a sense of humor.
only surviving copy? i remember downloading this out of "zelifcam" on aol like ten years ago
I can't believe I'm asking for a mirror for a betamax tape ...
-- (Score:i , Imaginary)
Here's a mirror, hosted, appropriately, on an Apple Xserve and Xserve RAID:
m acintro.mov
http://mirror.services.wisc.edu/mirrors/temp/1984
Renowned Mac user Scott Knaster kept that Betamax video tape for 21 years, and German media agency TextLab has unearthed this only surviving video tape of the launch.
1984 called... it wants its technology back.
The Chronic *WHAT* les of Narnia!
They could probably use more mirrors for the 22MB movie.
You could do something useful and make a torrent before posting the story to slashdot.
-Colin
That must of been the biggest file ever, how could they loose something so big?
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Now we know that slashdot is frequented by hordes and hordes of closet mac lovers. That will be some coming out when all the Linux geeks here finally come out of the closet and get a nice, shiny, cuddly mac mini :) I think they will succeed in /.-ing Apple's web site - which would be a first in Internet history methinks.
Something else - is there something similar available for the iMac's first introduction, or for the NeXT cube? I would like to have those.
----- One learns to itch where one can scratch.
No sig for you!!
Thanks for checking for "The Lost 1984 Mac Video"
You can try a time sliced download here, and if this is overloaded (it probably is), there are mirrors at macnews.de, php-schmiede.de, ppcnux.de, ftp.ppcnux.de, MacTechNews.de and elbewerk.
And now that the US are with us, you guys could back us up with some mirrors. Thanks bunches to all the folks who are helping us out!
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This is just a pathetic attempt to overshadow the *real* 20 year old mega-story: Bill Gate's 1983 Teen Beat Spread.
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Here's another mirror: http://www.larry.org.mx/The_First_Mac.mov
The package said "Windows XP or better. Pentium Class Processor or better"... So I got a Mac with OS X
The site's /.ed, but I remember seeing the video... our company Mac Dweeb (Hey, I liked him and called him that to his face, so no flamebaiting is going on... really) played that for me sometime in 1999 or 2000.
So, add one more to the list of people who swear this is not quite a "first time ever"
The Digital Sorceress
Although wouldn't it be a antastic revolution if we could download from people who had already dowloaded it, thus allowing us all to share bandwidth. The data would arrive at such a high speed that one might consider it a torrent. A bittorrent, one might say. If only such a technology existed...
Courage.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Why not just buy the Mac? It's a real computer.
I want a betamax emulator for my PC!! Then we won't have to wait for stuff like this.
...All I can say is that my life is pretty strange...
If it was a professional video I would bet it was actually on betacam not betamax.
If der linken ist geslashdotted, relaxen und watchen der blinkenlights
He's an author. Make sense now?
The speech of Steve was somewhere on the net a while ago.
But the images on the mac-screen and the "chariots of fire-soundtrack" have been missing in that version.
That'll get us some instant bandwidth. But, given that many d'loaders will be using Macs, do Macs support torrents natively?
I'm pretty sure that I've seen this before, or parts of it anyway on the Truiumph of the Nerds movie. Also, it's obvious that the mac-heads have been insane for a hell of a lot longer than I thought :)
I'm not arguing the accuracy of this description, but it's an odd turn of phrase. "Look at the way he presses that Apple command key! Astonishing!"
Imagine instead "renowned spoon user Dr. Dew."
"Renowned telephone user Mrs. Dew."
Pithy enough to fit on a headstone, too.
http://tracker.degreez.net/downloads/1984macintro. mov.torrent
Next!
How about choosing the menu-item that says "eject"?
Remember? That thingy comes with a mouse.
With great power comes great electricity bills.
There is nothing on the Apple.com mainpage about the 20th anniversary of the Mac... I'm surprised they didn't make a cute graphic of the Original Mac next to the Mini or something similar....
Hey- Congrats to the Mac anyway!
I hate to be the one to mention this on a nerds-and-technology oriented site but all this "mirror" nonsense seems so.. 2003. Isn't someone out there, I don't know, not at work today, and able to do that whole seed torrent tracker whoosits?
Anyone? Bueller?
See how easy it is to get lots of people to watch something?
Soon, they'll be giving the movie to friends and buying Mac Minis. The ring's got you!
A mirror set up on Case Western's network - should be able to handle a lot. http://dasystem.student.cwru.edu/1984macintro_2.mo v
WTF? If you saw that in 1984, you'd be cheering too.
no text. nothin to see here move along
I've posted a mirror at a hosting facility:
/ 1984macintro.mov
http://olaf.fearthepenguin.net/~ender/video/apple
Enjoy
Nothing to see here
Torrent: http://tracker.degreez.net/downloads/1984macintro. mov.torrent
'I don't like Monday 24 January', said the server just before getting slashdotted.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4187183.stm
http://www.preinheimer.com/1984macintro.mov
Good Luck fair box
paul reinheimer
It's betamax recorded from public TV.
Why there are no master copies of the original broadcast... not sure, but being public TV goes a long way to explaining it. They probably overwrote that tape fifty times after they aired it.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I first saw this about 3-4 years ago, this video has hardly been lost.
Loads of sites have a copy of this video, this is hardly news?
"WebTV: bringing the Internet into the shallow end of the gene pool since 1995" - Martin Bishop
Steve never should have given up the bow ties.
sulli
RTFJ.
How does one get to be a "Renowned Mac user" or a "Renowned computer user"? Saving Orphans?
No, not corny at all. Remember that this was 1984. This was back when the C64 was considered state of the art. The PC programs were text only. Most people in the audience had never seen anything like that before.
Do you take your wife to McDonald's when she asks you to take her to dinner at the cute french bistro downtown?
Get her the "cute little MAC" or get her nothing, but don't get her a clunky PC case and say "It's a real computer, honey". That will get you a week's worth of couch-sleeping at the very least ;)
Not exactly one of Ridley's greatest pieces of work though was it, and lets face it, he's done some pretty hokey stuff.
I mean the most recent major travesty was the 2000 film Galdiator. A long winded ego-fest with the historical accuracy of disney cartoon. Then before that, there was the atrocious "Blade runner2. A movie so terrible that even the studio stepping in couldn't save it. Years later, he released a directors cut. This just showed us how bad it would have been.
This ad captured the tedium of Alien in a piece that was a 120th of the length.
"Flamebait?" C'mon -- that was +5 informative if I've ever seen it.
It was fake, but accurate.
Spoken like someone who's never seen a Stevenote. Some things never change.
... verstrichpunktet" ist deutscher. However I usually prefer to call the slash just Schäger" instead of Schrägstrich".
verschrägstrichpunktet" would be more complete.
Well, in reality geplättet" would be more understandable.
Oh, I hope the "Plain Old Text"-setting supports umlauts...
1984macintro.torrent
In the style of a well known German News Site: geheis(e)t.
In Anlehnung an einen bekannten deutschen News-Ticker: geheis(e)t.
Watch this and you only have seven days left to live.
(Sometimes I wish others who downloaded a huge video or slashdotted site would bother to describe some of it so I will for the rest of y'all)
Steve Jobs ca. 1984 is speaking on a stage in front of an audience, suit coat and bow tie, these are his pre-jeans-and-black-turtleneck days. He tells the audience "All of the images you about to see on the large screen will be generated by what's in that bag." The lifts the black bag to reveal a Mac on a table (applause) he inserts a diskette into the Mac and steps back. The word MACINTOSH slowly scrolls across the screen to the tune of "Chariots of Fire" (wild appluase) Screen shots of paint program, word processor and calculator, fonts, program editor, 3d chess (cheering, applause). Steve introduces Macintosh speaking for itself. A bad robotic voice reads a few paragraphs of text on the screen. (applause, cheering) (wide shot of audience appluading) (end)
I do recall the days when PC DOS and the Apple II ruled the world and first time I saw a Mac in action was easy to recognize it was a big step forward.
http://mirror.openbarr.com/mac/The_First_Mac.mov
"The road from legitimate suspicion to rampant paranoia is very much shorter than we think." - Picard
Here's a torrent: http://kubla.xanadunet.net/1984macintro.mov.torren t
I mentioned it above, but I put it on the box I run. Feel free to try and crash it.
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No. As a general rule, authors are known for writing books ;)
Well at least Steve Jobs looks way better in 1984 than Bill 'The Sex Machine' Gates.
Just in case any one is confused, this is not the Big Brother ad that showed during the Super Bowl.
It's a video of the actual introduction by Jobs at an Apple event.
Screen shots, speech synthesis, Jobs in a bow tie.
Interesting to see what geeks in 1984 cheered at, but that's about it.
You can't find a more real computer that has aseperate video card, tiny form factor, rock solid OS, includes software to get productive, and comes with a warranty.
If you really want to impress your wife, try listening to her.
Yeah yeah, it's a troll. He posted a whole topic about it last week.
Is it just me or does Steve look just like tucker carlson from the now cancelled crossfire show on CNN?
Exeem.
http://66.139.73.103/1984macintro.mov
Hey, it happens to everyone at least once. I once posted on MacSlash that I was waiting for the new iBook because I wasn't happy with video mirroring and wanted true external monitor support. Turns out the existing iBook already had it. D'oh!
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
"The torrent" that I made, am hosting on that server, tracking on that server, and seeding on that server (as well as three others).
Peace
... and give her your computer instead ;-)
My classmates being mostly people who have english as a second language, thought that was perfectly fine. I having my favorite magazine being British (Economist), also thought "learnt" was perfectly fine. But my completely ignorant "American" professor took points off of our team paper.
my Point I don't have one. I need help getting a point. I learnt that everything is a team project in MBA school and I can't have an original thought!
HAR
Um.... its Mac not MAC
Apple announced their Mac Mini. Mac did not announce anything.
thank you!
Then the record companies could call open season and track all the ips of people downloading as some excuse that they might have downloaded other illegal things with it by using their open connections... sigh...
I WANT ONE!!!
oohhhh... Rounded Rectangles! Wild Applause.
And it took till the Ibook G4 before I bought another Apple (my first was a IIc).
Seriously, the mac is back. OsX and Ilife, are as awe inspiring today as MacOS and MacWrite/MacPaint were back then...
This was also shown on Robert X Cringely's Triumph of the Nerds
After watching the 2005 Macworld keynote, does anyone know where I can get the older ones? Maybe on a "Steve Jobs' Greatest Hits" DVD?
Chip H.
>How does one get to be a "Renowned Mac user"
Knaster wrote two very early and excellent books on Mac programming. Both "Macintosh Programming Secrets" and "How to Write Macintosh Software" were must reads back in the day.
How can you not love a programming book whose cover resembles (and was drawn by an artist from) MAD Magazine ?!?
I mean seriously, does your wife need any more geek cred than that she married you? My wife is pretty literate from a computer perspective, but really she likes the small form, and the fact that it 'just works' and that I am particularly unlikely to do anything to it. It is quite possible that your wife's reasoning is similar... and hell if she wants to get her geek on she can just start running BSD scripts from a command prompt. How do you get geekier than BSD?? BeOS??? AmigaOS???
Mirror here Right click save as.
I'm pretty sure at least part of this video, if not all of it, was in Pirates of Silicon Valley . I've DEFINITELY seen some of it before.
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In Korea, long hair is for old people!
You can find a lot more interesting info surrounding the launch of the Mac at Andy Hertzfeld's Folklore.org. Probably most relevant would be the story about this very moment in time, The Times They Are-a Changin'. /karmawhore
My English teacher once told me that two positives don't make a negative. Two words for her: Yeah, right.
It's not the commerical. It never said it was the commerical. It's a presentation by Steve Jobs.
Most of Slashdot readers weren't born yet in 1984.
That video was great and everything but can we get a link to the files that were on that disk instead?
http://mirror.services.wisc.edu/mirrors/temp/1984m acintro.torrent
I don't think much else needs to be said about this
RTFA (or see the post above you) this is not the superbowl ad, it is Job's introduction and demonstration of the MAC itself.
eXlax!
Argue with her?!?! No way!! I made the mistake of questioning some of her reasonings and I got totally slammed!!
It would have been Betacam. Not Betacam SP.
And of course it wasn't Betamax. It would have taken extra effort to convert it to 1/2" tape.
This is NOT the superbowl ad. It's a video of the release of the Mac with Steve doing a Macworld-like presentation in front of a cheering audience.
Kirby
And now that the US are with us, you guys could back us up with some mirrors. Thanks bunches to all the folks who are helping us out!
I see how it is.. when in need, call on the US. When everything's fine, screw the US. Why does that sound so familiar?
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Here's a torrent mirror: http://208.29.16.74/1984macintro.mov.torrent
just curious, anyone know where you can get a betamax machine nowadays?
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Young one, obviously you've never seen the music video of "The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins".
Thank-you Scott Knaster. Thank-you Textlab. Thanks for the trip down amnesia lane.
Now does anyone have that athletic girl with a sledge hammer?
Yes, bad joke.
Seven or eight rows back, on the left side, wearing one of those red shirts
hoping, praying, that everything would work
that Andy got everything working (smooth horizontal scrolling was hard)
what an incredible feeling, to be part of the family, the project, the revolution.
Was it really that many years ago?
The Mac people need to download Xvid and learn how to do 2-pass VBR encoding in Mpeg4.... this video should be 3 megabytes tops at this quality level.
On another note, when the Mac speaks the text-to-speech thing, it sounds like GOVERNOR ARNOLD!
The MBA program is there to squish you into the acceptible "MBA" mold.
What master of business administration is going to go around (in the USA) using English that makes him look like a hillbilly to CEO's that are closed-minded as the prof, and expect to get anywh'ar?
D'you's reckon ye' orta warsh?
They can't tell that from perfectly acceptible "proper" English phrases.
Point is, it's not an acceptible dialect for Business discourse.
But I agree with you!! Dang that gal!
http://cm.math.uiuc.edu/~staffin/1984macintro.mov
also,
http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/~staffin/1984macintro.mov
I still have my mid-1980s Apple videos about Applecare, Laserwriter repair, and Hyperdrive installation. I get no points for exoticness, though, because they're VHS, not beta.
My favorite moment is in one of the repair videos, where it shows the technician crossing fingers behind the back before discharging the CRT anode.
-DeeT
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I'm glad Steve doesn't wear bowties anymore.
This video is not the 1984 commercial. It's Steve Jobs introducing the Mac onstage at an Apple-hosted event. (Actually i think it was held on the campus of a nearby community college in Cupertino.)
...you (and a few others who got partial downloads) probably got nailed when I restarted apache. It is indeed the full movie, but is currently up in the form of a locally hosted, locally seeded torrent (there's apparently another torrent out there now as well). So for now you can download the full movie via torrent here.
Microsoft would like to do today what Apple did in the days... Where do you wanna go today?
It _isn't_ the commercial.
But you alreay know that by now, don'cha?
"Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus."
anothe fine example of the power of bittorrent. :D
Try this. It should perform a lot better.
Bullshit.
He's the one who's going to be supporting it.
He probably doesn't want to pay 4x for RAM.
He probably doesn't want to worry about voiding the warranty just for cracking the case.
The original post doesn't explain the situation in detail, but perhaps her requirements aren't met by a mac. My wife might like a Mac, but her telecommuting software very likely won't run under it.
Me, I'd prefer not to spend $500 for a machine whose specs are met by the three year old laptop I'm using right now.
My wife ended up with a Dell Dimension 4700C, which isn't as small as the mini, but it's a nice smalltowert that can sit next to the desk. The only drawback is that it has a laptop cd drive, which is a bit awkward to use.
Don't look at it!!! It's just a cheap trick to make you watch the clip!!!
Everyone who watches it dies within seven days.
Or becomes a totally retarded Mac zealot who loses all grip on reality, spends 23 of 24 hours each day furiously masturbating over rumours that other zealots have invented about which product line Apple is going to point-upgrade for a $300 fee next, and dreams of being reincarnated as a hamster and living inside Steve Job's underwear draw. Personally I think I'd go for the dying after a week thing.
Betamax is the consumer format, Betacam is the pro format. Betacam SP was a tape enhancement on normal Betacam. Same size, better materials, higher bandwidth, more scanlines. Both are much larger than Betamax tape, and much higher res. Betamax died, Betacam has always been a success, and continues success now as Betacam Digital, though it's losing out to the various DV derivitives in many cases.
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*PLEASE NOTE* The updload is done to hijackthat.com - the other one's are queued up and should be done in about 20 minutes!When the Mac introduction happened in 1984, there was a lengthy, somewhat heated thread on the "SLASHDOT-L" BITNET Listserv. I foolishly didn't save a copy of it, but I'm sure someone out there has it and will post it in the next few days. From my recollections, people were of divided opinions.
A small minority thought it was "insanely great," and I suppose they still do. Most readers, though, found flaws with it.
Some viewed the Macintosh as "just a toy," and insisted that they were holding out for a real computer - the Lisa.
Some thought it had promise, but wouldn't be truly useful until Apple added support for the Commodore-based SIDplayer music format.
Quite a lot said it was too expensive. Some of these pointed out that there were any number of kit computers they could build for less, while others questioned having a screen built in - and a small one at that - when most people already had televisions.
Purists were quick to point out that the Mac lacked features that had been developed years earlier by Douglas Engelbart and others. Why wasn't the keyboard more of a chording model? And why did the mouse have only one button? Even Engelbart's original patent drawings, they argued, had shown a multi-button mouse. What good was a single button?
And of course, there were the hardcore geeks and techies, who were quick to point out that it wasn't any good if it couldn't run a real operating system, like VAX/VMS.
Ah, the good old days. If anyone has a copy of the thread, please post it!
Village idiot in some extremely smart villages.
People are cheering on various screens shown on a Macintosh. Quite corny.
Yeah, thank God nobody ever does that any more.
Mmm, Dell trolls! My Favorite!
...and from what i could tell it looked like it was much higher quality. so this video wasn't lost by any means. nor is it the first time it's been seen. TOTN broadcast in 1996.
can anyone else who has a copy of triumph of the nerds confirm the video quality?
It's amazing how 21 years later MacOS still has the same crappy voice synthesizer. Why has the industry been so stagnant when the issue came to text-to-speech?
I know there are solutions out there, among them AT&T Natural Voices (which I might add costs more than my computers put together), but generally, the speech thing didn't really take off.
To be fair, Windows also ships with the most annoying text-to-speech engine which hasn't made any progress since Windows 95.
What brings?
1984 called, it wants it's Mac presentation back.
Some of this footage was used before in the doumentary Triumph of the Nerds.
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals...
Here's yet another mirror.
looks like it had NO cleanup. they didn't bother to run it through a TBC or correct any dropouts. no noise reduction either. and they left it interlaced, which is just wrong for display on progressive displays (eg every PC monitor in the world).
with a bit of work it could be something special. this posted one is pretty rough.
Hardly has that video been lost. Slashdot's favorite pundit writer, Robert X. Cringely, put together a documentary a few years back called "Triump of the Nerds". In the documentary, the video linked in this news story, appears in it's entirety.
"Me, I'd prefer not to spend $500 for a machine whose specs are met by the three year old laptop I'm using right now." You have a 1.25 GHz G4 on your 3 year old laptop?
Where Macs Belong in the Living Room
If you are interested by this video, check out Andy Hertzfeld's accounts of that presentation. (Andy was one of the developer of the Mac back then.) While you're they're, check out the rest of the Classic Macintosh section of that site. It's a lot of stories (mostly by Andy) of how the Mac came to be.
(I'm not associated with folklore.org or Andy Hertzfeld or anything. I found the site a couple weeks ago while googling for little rubber feet, and got hooked.)
Yeah, it is neat to see the thing - I mean, hell, Steve looks like he is about to explode when the Mac talks and crowd goes nuts...
But this video is not "lost" at all. I have seen it numerous times in numerous programs over the years - if memory serves, it is featured in Robert X. Cringley's Triumph of the Nerds, and probably a ton of other shows.
And if one person replies to this and says "it's not the commercial they are talking about!" I will personally kick thier ass. I know it is not the commercial.
http://code0.net/1984macintro.mov
---------- I laugh at a dumb SysAdmin.
Looks like a fairly large auditorium... I'm scratching my head trying to match the place to the ones I know in the Bay Area.
What's the big rush? I can download it from the Apple iVid Store for my iTheater <*POP*> errr... sorry, I was dreaming.
My kids have never seen it. Ever try to explain what using a computer was like before GUI to a kid? Or that the big scary Big Brother monopolistic dude in the video is NOT Bill Gates?
Good luck...
the section just before the demo, Steve's buildup to the 1984 video.
Does anyone know where this was filmed? It's pretty dark and hard to tell, but it looks like this was filmed at Davies Symphony Hall in San Francisco. Can anyone confirm this?
Free yourself. Everything else will follow.
Anyone notice that the date shown by Macintosh in the slideshow is exactly 21 years ago to the day?
The video we need is Gates looking over Jobs as Big Brother during the announcement of MS investing money in Apple!!!
ee-yup. I think thats why most of them don't "get it".
I was 9, back then 8-bit was what it was all about. GEOS was about the best desktop UI you could get at the time on the commodore 64.
Macs were otherworldly, wholely different peices of engineering that were orders of magnitude more powerful than anything else at the time.
I have seen this before. I cant remember where, but I distinctly remember seeing this footage. I dont think it was in Pirates of Silicon valley, but there is no way I havent seen this before. Does anyone else have the same recollection?
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Mirror, fast for australians here:
http://eddie.ratm.net/slashdot/1984macintro.mov
... will soon be playing rarely seen restored film reels of the "1980's desktop war" in color.
Seriously, I like to see this vintage stuff. I used to read BYTE magazine, and saw the adverts for "The Computer Chronicles",
but never got to see the series. Fortunately, these are available for download at archive.org
I'm glad it has made it out into the net... I was practically tearing up at the end of it.
- what is the definition of simultanagnosia?! I've been meaning to look it up!
Man. I sure did love GEOS, and it's descendent for the PC/XT, Geoworks. Damn you Windows, DAMN YOU! :-D
Read Heinlein's 1953 Revolt in 2100, now more than ever.
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I remember seeing this video sometime between 1994 and 1999, when I still had my Macintosh Quadra 840av. It was Quicktime clip on a CD, and while the video size was similar or a little smaller, it was digitzed much more "crisply" than this cassette transfer.
Now if only I could remember if it was on a CD that came with my Mac, or maybe the CD with one of the "Late Night with MacHack" books... I honestly don't remember.
But somebody had this "lost" content in QuickTime format between 6 and 10 years ago.
Moo 10 Mbps mirror moo moo:
http://www.trunkmonkey.com/content/view/52/51/
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It only takes a pslit second to append the ".nyud.net:8090" suffix to content links to make sure that the content is more readily available.
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Quick, easy and very well implemented (also makes sure that we dont /. the hell out of their servers)
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This is not a sig
I doubt it's needed by now, but here's another mirror (it'll stop working after 100 GB of traffic though).
Jobs was an asshole his entire life.
The presentation wasn't about Macintosh, it was about Jobs. The pictures were of jobs, the digitized voice was about jobs.
The guy never said "This was a team effort". Look at when the digitized mac voice say "he's been like a father", the guy grins like he really was a father.
The only thing worse are the Mac fanboi's cheering every little... nothing. If jobs said "You guys should all be killed", they would have cheered him.
No wonder he was fired. He deserved to be.
I'm tired of these MOV's.
thanks, keep up the good work. I couldnt get the other torrent, but yours worked fine :-), dling as I type this
"goodbye and hello, as always" ~Prince Corwin, from Zelazny's Amber series
that the IBM PC was introduced only in 1981.
VGA was only introduced back in 1987.
http://www2.threatcon.net:8080/~arturov/1984macint ro.mov/
I'm serious, why does anyone care about this video?
Watch the fucking movie no it's not.
gave me 25MB of space, the video is 22. Good thing they don't charge or apparently keep track of bandwidth :)
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Same RDF that Steve exudes nowadays. Observe the flourish with which he removes the boot disc from his jacket and starts the machine up. It's exciting to see this early presentation of many components of compuring that we take for granted. And how great was the execution of the device itself--both in hardware and software? Many people hadn't seen a mouse at the time. Small floppy format, text to speech and a GUI! I believe that some of those images are shown utilizing an application that was part of the included software. MacDraw maybe? Perhaps most thrilling was the pan of the audience at the end. Literally, the first Mac was something to stand and cheer about.
On the humorous side was the File or Edit pull-down menu with about 2 sub-items in it.
AHHHH!!! Back then free information wasn't allowed, for Big Brother controlled the world. Only now, after 1984 has passed away and weve triumphed over the persecution of people, has free information come back to us again...
http://www.tolkiencollector.com/bilbo5.mov
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I am no longer wasting my time with slashdot
Lets see a crappy VHS tape survive that long..
Yes i know Sony lost the battle, but it wasnt due to lesser quality ( it was due to the morons running the show )
Ok. so im off topic.. but i am right..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Not really, A VHS would not have survived as long. Beta was a significantly more robust format.
And the VHS vs. Betamax wars begin. Keep it clean. Fight!!!
Wasn't this clip in Triumph of the Nerds, Mr. Cringley's excellent documentary from 1996?
:)
It is nice to have in Quicktime though, if not just to show my wife that the fanatical, cult like audiences from this years Mac World keynote are not unique
Wow, downloaded in less than 2 minutes. Wouldn't it be great if other media files on the www (as opposed to the internet) were distributed this way? Have left the torrent up as I watch it...
Now why aren't Slashdot offering to do this for other content-heavy sites before they post the stories? I guess that'd be too much like work.
Patents.
The "technology" is owned already.
This is where the Mac fanaticisim started. All right here. I mean, look at those people. And Steve Job's smirk. He's all over it.
Also, thinking back, that was amazing at the time. I mean, a talking computer the size of a small monitor? Who'd a thunk? The crack at the IBM Mainframe was also classic for the time, though relations between Apple and IBM have certainly shifted since then.
This footage was in the PBS special the triumph of the nerds. I think I recall the guy remarking about steve beaming like a proud new father at his baby.
People say my sig is the best thing about me.
Next, if you're careful, I've never seen Apple try to prove someone's been in a case and broken their warranty. Yes, if you open the case with a can opener they might try to tell you "no."
And, finally, when my mother wanted a new PC a few years back, and I handed her specs for three different vendors (including Apple), she went with a Sony (not on my list) and I am STILL expected to support it (even though I work on a Mac, have a Mac at home, and loaned her an older Mac when her Sony's hard drive decided to slip this mortal coil). It comes down to: you'll support what your family member wants to get. If you're lucky, they'll listen to you when you suggest what that should be, but that's a rare thing in this day and age.
Personally, the sooner I can get my mother onto a Mac mini and off the Vaio, the happier I become...
Whoop-de-doo. Don't waste your time.
I'll always remember this:
Apple's new Macintosh.
Smaller than a PDP-11. No wireless. Lame.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
http://planetmirror.com/pub/1984macintro/
(Brisbane, Australia)
crying yet? ;-)
Mod parent funny. I'm a Bush man, but I know when to say 'touché.'
Too much Law; not enough Order.
It's really annoying... I create the torrent, post this link, an Anonymous Coward posts the same link as a response to an earlier item, and my post gets modded down. Maybe I'm a karma whore, but is this fair?
Not really, A VHS would not have survived as long. Beta was a significantly more robust format.
This is a load of crap. My father, an engineer who was given the task of evaluating the formats for use in education, managed to get hold of a highly bootleg copy of Star Wars on VHS, in 1977.
The JVC machine we played it on even had mechanical type buttons, none of this newfangled soft touch nonsense.
Not robust...? I actually played this old 1977 VHS cassette just a month or two ago (2004) to compare against my recently purchased Star Wars trilogy DVD.
It played just fine thank you, and this is after being originally played many, many times, a long time ago, as you can imagine a 7 year and all his friends would...
I don't know which of the formats was actually this mythical more robust thing you speak of, but I can imagine if there was any difference, it would be beta that was weaker due to the continuous take up spooling to ensure a fast start playback.
The Mac was the first major computer with support for the 3 1/2 inch hard cased floppies. PCs continued to use the 5 1/4 inch soft floppies for years afterwards. I remember reading a magazine article where Jobs pulled a floppy out of his pocket and tossed it onto the table. Everyone gasped. They had learned how fragile floppy drives were and the importance of always carrying them careully and putting them promptly into the box (not only did the 5 1/4s bend, they had holes so dust could get onto the disk surfaces).
That's why everyone claps right at the beginning, he pulls the floppy out of his pocket(!) and sticks it into the computer.
People watching today might not realize that the Mac did not have a hard drive. One was later provided as an expensive extra option. But initially the Mac had only a floppy drive to boot from.
Those were the days... I loved the Mac. I bought one back in 1984, the first GUI I'd ever used. Then a year later I laboriously unsoldered the memory chips and upgraded the system from 128K to a whole half a meg of memory. I can't count how many Macs I've bought over the years since then... we've got 7 right now, counting the 2 my kids in college have.
A portion of this video was floating around as audio on the net. I can't help but think that Jobs probably assembled that self-glorifying mac speech himself ;)
garble
I saw a desk accessory in those screenshots. Man those Apple dudes are devious.
... 1980? 1981? 1982? I forget. I went to a Computer Exhibition, looking at what would be the best computer to buy. At the time the choice was between the Commodore Pet, the Apple II, the TRS-80, and the Sinclair ZX-80. (Went with a TRS-80 clone. It was cheap).
Unisys and the like were showing off the mini-computers running lame Space Invaders games drawn in text with extended character sets. Arcade games were big, and they wanted to show they were "with it".
But Apple had set up the LISA. A monster of a Ten Grand computer with the most gorgeous graphics you'd ever seen. WYSIWYG was the big theme. Text editors with FONTS, a windowing system, a mouse, a painting program. Jaw dropping at the time and a complete rethink of how a computer should be.
And here we are nearly 25 years later, running with the same paradym, just with the pictures colour in.
(Why did I write all that? Dunno. Just in a mood for waffling)
Why did the first Mac have a monochrome display? I mean, it was an expensive computer in the first place, I'm not sure a color display would've made it much more expensive.
444 seeds already (averaging 90k/s down)
Yay!
[All Your Fish Are Belong To Us]
If my PC spoke by default, the voice would suffer the same fate as that stupid search dog. Unless you're visually impaired, text-to-speech is not that useful. My cousin is totally sightless and last time I checked was still using a DOS program, yes, that's right, DOS text-to-speech that was incomprehensable to me and other regular people in the room. I wouldn't be surprised if he preferred it that way, since he could work without people necessarily knowing what he is doing.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
I think he was wearing his black sweater and blue jeans under that suit.
My HCI teacher has that video on VHS!!!, it looks so old. It was fun to see it, anyway :)
Total elapsed time: 54 seconds.
Nice Torrent.
If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
Just think about how much nicer slashdot would be.
For one thing there is the chance that we would see fewer Apple© Slashvertisement "Stories" being posted.
Another nice benefit would be finally getting them to shut up about their overrated mp3 players.
Hi, -
I know it's something familiar but I cannot identify the piece of music that is being played back during the screenshots slide show.
Maybe someone can enlighten me on this one?
Thanks!
The "chess" program was actually Alice.
At the end after the computer finished talking it looked like Jobs was about to explode or die of laughter. His face was very red.
At least in Austria "abgefackt" (pronounced "upgefucked") means shabby, run-down, worn out etc.
I'm not sure about the etymology of that word. It probably came from english. On the other had, there is an austrian village called "Fucking" (pronounced Fook-ing) and also "Petting".
"abgeraucht" would be a good word as an equivalent for "slashdotted".
It was Steve all the time! Steeeeeeve!
Oh no! My link to the movie was lost. Here's another link. Hey, that doesn't work either. Damn it all. Ah ha! There's an errant single-quote in the link I've been copying and pasting. Interesting. It's a shame Slashcode didn't give me any error. Here's a working link
And just image consumer broadband using the same technology as a T1 line, at consumer prices.
... to hear someone attempt to say that entire word in one breath.
-Jellisky
I still have the first Mac that came out. It was called a 'Thin' Mac back then, and came with 128KB RAM and a 400KB floppy, as compared to the 'Fat' Mac that came with 515KB RAM. At $4000 (Oz$, about $3000 US$ back then), the thin was all I could scrape to afford. It also came with a nice padded case, although I think I might have had to cough up even more for that.
Everything runs on a single 400KB floppy. Microsoft Excel, Word, Basic etc. Half the OS is on each floppy. All your data files have to fit.
The interesting thing is, I don't really need any
more functionality in the bloated Excel now than I did in that skinny version from 1984.
Maybe my trusty old Mac will be worth something one day!
Here is a torrent for "The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins."
..but it was *just* published on the net. "Published?" I'm sure I got it by right-clicking a link and choosing 'save as,' too. Is this 'publish' somehow more legitimate than that? Is this one endorsed by Apple?
Yes, we understand these tags always apply: fud, dupe, typo, slashdotted, topic name
You do realize that these kids are too young to get this joke? BITNET is probably meaningless to them.
If you have the DVD, browse to Chapter 5 on "Volume 3: Great Artists Steal"
Its the same clip, just with Robert Cringley narrating a bit.
Most people would probably agree with you, even those who know Jobs personally.
And yet, without Jobs to goad people into stroking his ego, there would have been no Mac, no NeXTSTEP, no Apple post-1997, no iMac, no iPod, no standards of excellence in GUI computing.
Sometimes it takes an asshole to make a dent in the universe.
I don't think that is the commercial they are talking about.
i couldn't disagree more. i literally had chills running down my spine watching it. i can't imagine how exciting it must have been for the audience members.
I think he was wearing his black sweater and blue jeans under that suit.
The suit went when Apple lost all interest from the enterprise and had to sell iMacs to soccer moms to stay in business.
This is not a Mac-hating troll post (I've had more Macs than most of you have had steak dinners). It's a realistic assessment of Apple decline in fortunes from its 18% marketshare in the 80s (much of it from the corporate world) to under 2% today.
And it is insanely great.
I have gas, but my car uses petrol.
Do you know when to say 'sorry'?
That was classic intercourse!
Good call. Isn't that hilarious? My mother even laughed.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could swear I've seen that footage before. Perhaps in Crinley's Silicon Valley documentary Triumph of the Nerds ?
It's pretty egotistical of geeks everywhere to think that the original Macintosh computer ad has only one surviving copy, and that's from a computer geek.
Hello, it was on during the freaking SUPER BOWL.
There's GOT to be a bazillion people out there with tapes of some kind of the entire super bowl probably for every year since there's been something you could farkin record it on!
Think about it!
"Champagne for my real friends - and real pain for my sham friends!" http://ericblade.postalboard.com/
"Robust" is pretty vague. You oughta seen me naked: I'm robust.
Beta technology was gentler on tape than VHS. The transport system on a Beta deck pulled out a lot more tape than VHS did and was more sophisticated. The benefit was less stress on the tape -- really.
A rewound Beta tape is less taut than a rewound VHS tape and for long term storage that counts for a lot.
I have a related suggestion for any VHS users: when you are done watching your tape, don't rewind it. Let it sit and then rewind it right before you watch it again.
The reason is that fast-rewinds really wrap the tape tightly onto the spindle, stretching it over time. When you watch a tape or fast-scan forward/backward, the tape remains pulled into the machine where it benefits from the relatively gentle handling of the pulleys and capstans.
As an aside, I was an early video adopter, which is to say that I bought Beta. I used my Beta unit for years and then the VHS units began to include video filters for prettier pictures. I bought one of these nice new VHS units but the picture was not superior to my Beta unit.
--Richard
This clip was shown in a part of a computer history video at my school. That exact same piece! This video has NOT been lost for decades as the story says... Still, it makes me cry everytime I watch it.
You have to go back a long way to see Steve Jobs out of uniform. He's actually wearing a button down shirt and bow tie. Reality distortion field still in full effect, however.
People should not fear what they do not understand; people should fear because they do not understand.
The original Mac screen had a whitepoint that, well, tends toward blue, as did many Apple monitors that came after that. When Apple introduced the legendary 13" Color Display (made by Sony) the whitepoint was carried over, and the version of white displayed by that monitor tended toward blue as well.
On the Kelvin scale, it's 9600+8MPCD. If I recall correctly, the CIE1931 xy value is x=0.283 y=0.289. It's pretty much blue.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
Thanx to thepiratebay.org :-)
I don't see what's amazing about Macintosh classic when 1 year later Amiga came with colorful graphics(up to 4096 colors), a real preemptive multitask OS and all the hot stuff. You could actualy format a disk drive while printing and doing some other stuff while on Mac you had to wait in front of a black & white screen.
I find it really surprising that there wouldn't be more tapes of this floating around somewhere. And that it would wind up in Germany of all places.
The theatre is the Flint Center at De Anza College in Cupertino. A whole 3 blocks away from the current Apple World HQ. Other places on the net I know will confirm this.
However DA is a fairly wired school. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a tape of that laying around somewhere at DA right now. Not to mention something sitting at Apple...
More likely this is just the first time anyone has cared to post a video of the original debut of the Mac on the web.
the 30 second video was the commerical you fucktard.
Decent pipe and RAID hardware
Sometimes it takes an asshole to make a dent in the universe.
But an asshole already IS a dent in the universe... oh wait, that's blackhole.
Hmm... January 24, 1984 to January 24, 2005.
That Macintosh is old enough to drink.
which they have promised to make available in the coming weeks
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Yeah... the fact that it got rated "insightful" is amusing in its own way.
Village idiot in some extremely smart villages.
Where the Woz comes running through the crowd and hurls a hammer at the Mac. That's the real reason this video was "lost."
Was this the genuine first unveiling?
That would make today (Jan 24) a particular 20 year anniversary. I'd expect Apple to be doing something celebratory, or something... like sell a few "Anniversary edition" iMacs. Not that that hasn't been beaten to death already with past special editions...
Now if someone would just make a permanent copy of the original 1977 Star Wars for posterity. And send a copy to George L. @ I.L.M. Don't trust George Lucus to preserve the original version of Star Wars because in his view the original movie no longer exists.
No, no, no, you're thinking of the Goatse.cx guy.
Although...
Wait a moment, Ladies and Gentlemen, it seems that we have discovered the true identity of Bob Goatse! He and Steve Jobs are in fact the same person!
Seriously, this is definitly news to me. I have been able to find this commercial on the web for the last 5 years. Amazing that it just came out today.
I must have the browser from the future or something!
Even better... go find the SNL spoof with the Macintosh Jr. It is usually on the same 10 pages that have had this 1984 ad for the last couple of years. And at least it is funny.
Note: Yes I do have my own copy of the 1984 commericial... for historical reasons. But this is not a new thing. It seriously has been on the web for years. In the same 22MB file as well. I'll try and turn up one of the older pages...
I don't know who thought this was news.
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"Do not meddle in the affairs of sysadmins,
for they are subtle and quick to anger."
...but let's stay on topic:
I think it's OK for Steve Jobs to feel proud. He was really there, when the Mac was designed.
All of its look and feel, the box, Quickdraws round-rects, the clover-key all these have sprung from his opinion what the perfect computer should look like.
Of course Smith, Atkinson, Hertzfeld, Crow, Capps and the famous Susan Kare did create the Computer and Frog-Design created the box, but Steve always was with them, judging thier designs and deciding when something was finished (which tended to be never).
So his style helped the team a lot. They surpassed their own expectations.
How did they fit Stephen Hawking into a box that small?!
http://www.goweee.com/1984macintro.mov
When in danger, whewn in doubt! Run in circles, scream and shout!
I'm going to make a bumper sticker out of that saying and make millions!!
Who's that man? Ahh! It's Steve! Where's the turtleneck?
Hey ! Can I get that 22 MB video as a 22 Kb file on my 33,600 bps dial up! ;-)
Why does yahoo do this
Part of what has contantly hurt Apple's sales percentages is the fact that Apples have a longer usage lifespan. The Mac mini can put a dent in this by its lack of upgradeability, at least for a short time.
The other thing to consider when comparing the Mac mini to other computers is the incredibly small form factor. A few days ago the Slashdot crowd tried (and failed) to find a Windows-compatible PC of the same size, performance and price.
This is a computer designed to complement the existing home PC (KVM switch required) and gradually assume the existing PC's tasks. Thus the lack of keyboard, monitor and other gizmos. If you want those, then you're supposed to buy an iMac G5 or an iBook.
How's about capturing that and torrenting it? Or just snail-mailing me a copy. My email's right at the top of this comment. I'd LOVE to get my hands on a copy of that!
And this is why Steve Jobs is the applause whore he is today!
:-)
I might know what I'm talkin' about, but then again, this is Slashdot...
The response to your poker face joke is not so amusing as sad to me, an example of where Slashdot's moderation system shows off where it breaks. I supose I'm partly motivated because my ability to moderate seems to have been permanently impaired despite that when I did moderate I did so conscientiously and thoughtfully.
Anyhow, the fact that the moderators of this thread are unable to recognize that Slashdot wasn't even a concept in 1984 is really sad. This reminds me of what French philosopher Jean Baudrillard said about the postmodern age, which is that it is without history. No one seems to know history. Slashdotters don't even know the history of Slashdot.
Incroyable.
I found this somewhat funny. In my last year of high school, the school got some shiny new 286's equipped with 30MB hard drives, with Windows 3.0 installed. It took Windows 3.0 _longer_ to load by several seconds (from typing "win" at the dos prompt, not even including booting DOS.) than it did to load GEOS off of floppy on the C64.
I like neatly shaven more than bush...
well, considering how bad your grammar is in your post, I think you have bigger things to worry about than the spelling of an individual word.
Ouch! It hurts my head just trying to read your post.
It's so funny seeing apple fags defend Macs. They think with no logic and rely on raw emotion as a substitute.
They are quick to point out that PC users are wrong, yet they cannot find any sort of evidence apart from Apple's own website.
But whatever the case, just remember to make Bill give you a reacharound the next time he's having his way with your anal tract.
Will do. And you do the same with Steve "hand" Jobs.
Face it, you're a liberal little twit that borders on homosexuality. Shove that iDildo up your ass.
Even in the 80's, Macintosh was (generally) only significantly more expensive than the cheap brands. If you compared it to the better built and more expensive brands fitted with comparable video and sound, there wasn't much difference (in most cases).
The 5 year typical service life of a mac compared to 3 years for dos/windows typically made it less expensive than even the cheap brands over the long term.
And once you factored in support costs in a business, the mac made up for the purchase price difference in the first year or two (there was about a 4:1 factor there!)
hawk
To be fair to Steve, he did insist the key developers sign the inside of the case, and they did receive free Macs after the presentation (see the already-cited folklore.org site).
And if that's still not good enough, let's note that Andy Hertzfeld himself has given Steve Jobs the mantle of Father of the Macintosh:
"But ultimately, if any single individual deserves the honor, I would have to cast my vote for the obvious choice, Steve Jobs, because the Macintosh never would have happened without him, in anything like the form it did. Other individuals are responsible for the actual creative work, but Steve's vision, passion for excellence and sheer strength of will, not to mention his awesome powers of persuasion, drove the team to meet or exceed the impossible standards that we set for ourselves. Steve already gets a lot of credit for being the driving force behind the Macintosh, but in my opinion, it's very well deserved."
--R.J.
Electric-Escape.net
You're getting ahead of yourself with the wireless. It was really:
Smaller than a PDP-11. No thicknet. No TTYs. Lame.
On the other hand, Bill Gates is relatively unchanged since Windows- screwd businessman, 2nd best in his class (allusion to Harvard Mathematics and operating systems), etc.
Then there's Larry Elison. He has not changed with time- scratch that- changed positively. The size of Ellison's ego is directly proportional to how much he can screw Bill Gates.
They have now posted a torrent link (untested) http://mirror.services.wisc.edu/mirrors/temp/1984m acintro.html
Currently hooked on AMP
No way!
Jobs would never have pictures of himself taken in such bad lighting conditions.
I'd mod this comment up if I hadn't just used my last mod point.
Now that's a real time machine! Watching it actually gave me chills. I want my Mac back!!!
/.'s Psychic-in-Residence: Psychic to the Geeks
As much advancement as there has been in computers over the past 20 years, the saddest thing demonstrated by that video is the fact that computers can't really speak any better now than they did then. A computer still sounds like a computer, and pretty much like the original Mac.
So how many more years will it take before we actually talk to a HAL, and a HAL actually talks back in a voice very much like that of a human? Another 20 years? Less than 5 years? Taking bets here!
/.'s Psychic-in-Residence: Psychic to the Geeks
Mod parent funny. I'm a Bush man, but I know when to say 'touché.'
Was that French?
Thank you for that video!!!