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Crusher Crushed from Nemesis
Ant sent in a link to Wil Wheaton's weblog where he writes a surprisingly heartfelt piece on being cut from ST:Nemesis. Its a strangely bittersweet little entry that really speaks volumes, especially considering Wil's fairly public disagreements with
Rick Berman. Apparently Wil's bit was cut along with 48 whole minutes of the flick- its just the nature of filmaking. But
I guess if nothing else, they've got tons of stuff for the DVD now!
This was on Fark early yesterday. Why such a lag in communication here?
The Wil Wheaton nude scene will be worth it!
It probably still won't help the movie much. Unless they're cutting out all the fluff.
Or would that be most of the movie? I've never been so underwhelmed to see at Trek Movie. Can we wait a few years before getting around to the next movie, guys? I think you've killed the market.
http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:pFns8u5v9x8C:w ww.wilwheaton.net/+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
because the last 3 articles I read were slasdotted
.. now why am I thinking of Wesley and Weasley's ??
Both have a reputation for being annoying.
though I'd love to be the wiz kid, do everything right cept get the girl type.
Snarky comments about Wheaton and/or Crusher in 3... 2... 1...
Er, pardon my ignorance, but who is Wil Wheaton?
Wesley was probably THE most annoying SF character ever, even if Wil himself actually demonstrated that he can be a passable actor. And then for him to say "I want what's best for Star Trek and the Trekkies" - we're Trekers, not Trekkies.
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Damn, that's a long movie. It takes the GodFather to pull that off. Granted I'm a Trek fanboy, so I'd have enjoyed the 3 hours, but I don't think my wife would have.
BTW, I saw the trailer before K-19, and it looks pretty good. It appears they've made a return to some good quality action!
and best of all I'm feel like not using spellchecker
they've got tons of stuff for the DVD now!
Yeah because if Paramount has shown anything, it just loves to pack extras into their Star Trek DVDs.
Let's hope not... the sooner we can forget that Voyager nonsense, the better.
And I hope they cut out Data's line of "Is that your final answer?" HORRIBLE! You should not be referencing temporary pop culture phrases in movies.
We all hated seeing him in the TNG TV series - why would we ever want to see him again?
Oh you crazy slashdot! In the time it took to write my question, it had been answered.
They will surely release a Special Edition DVD with at least two discs, and there will be "deleted scenes" and you will be able to see the Wil Wheaton scene. And perhaps there will even be a way to see the whole thing as a 3-hour movie, with all the cut material put back.
P.S. Wil Wheaton seems to be a good guy, and his blog entry is as reasonable and mature as anyone could ask for.
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You really don't want to know. Trust me.
The internet is full of heart breaking tales of failure. Here's another one, if you enjoy this sort of thing.
So what if you've never heard of the guy. He still failed miserably, if spectacualrly.
"The night features world-class electronic music artists and a special treat: celebrity boxing with Wil Wheaton and Barney! Wil Wheaton, of Star Trek: The Next Generation and Stand By Me fame, will take on Barney in a celebrity boxing matchup for the history books. Watch and see if Wil with his backing from EFF can protect free speech and parody on the Internet and defeat Barney and his team of corporate lawyers."
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Give that vomitous terrycloth reptile hell, Will!
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Stop talking on your mobile phone while you're driving through residential neighbourhoods!
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Of course, I tend to not put a whole lot of stock in what I read online...if I did I'd be overwhelmed with the sheer amount of hot teen bitches who want to get naked for me right now, and I'd be rolling in Nigerian money.
Exactly, Will. Most bigshot, part-in-Star-Trek-gettin' movie stars already have those problems.
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Even though they pulled Wil's scenes out, this should hopefully follow Star Trek tradition and be good.
... that even's are good and odd's are bad. So hopefully Star Trek X: Nemesis will be good.
In general most people I know and their feelings about each movie reflect...
Star Trek I: bad
Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan: good
Star Trek III: Search for Spock: bad
Star Trek IV: Voyage Home: good
Star Trek V: Final Frontier: really bad
Star Trek VI: Undiscovered Country: good
Star Trek VII: Generations: bad
Star Trek VIII: First Contact: good
Star Trek IX: Insurrection: bad
Just my thoughts....
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it would have been better if Mr. Crusher could have made a little appearence somewhere in the background or in another portion of the movie. Last night's "Enterprise" rerun had a lot of people from the Deep Space 9 playing different characters. They want the crossover. What was even funnier is when Trip said "What are you going to do? Program a holographic doctor?" An obvious poke at those who watched voyager. It's stuff like that which makes Star Trek interesting.
But a 3 hour star trek!?! Jeez, talk about long!
You were trolling for something else?
Oh fuck, I feel old. This is all I needed after finding my first grey hair last week.
Overall, I suppose anything that makes the end film better is a Good Thing. Still, it sucks that it had to happen -- I can't imagine the weirdness of putting, what, 7 years of my life in as a particular character and then having my last chance to play him yanked out.
At least Wil seems very grounded about it. Unless, of course, he just omitted some drinking-drug-and-wife-beatin' binge he went on after the end of the blog.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
Maybe I'm being horribly naive or stupid or both but I can't understand how they managed to find 40+ minutes of unimportant material to cut out AFTER they've already filmed it! Shouldn't they be trimming stuff out of the story while they're refining the script? Whenever I write something I start by letting my ideas flow onto the paper (actually word processor). Then I make several passes through the story to make the logic and dialogue stronger. I also cut out non-essential stuff if I feel the story is too long. It's not difficult at all. Given how much money it costs to make a movie, shouldn't these guys in Hollywood work hard to make sure the script is really "tight" and there's no fluff in it BEFORE they start the shoot?
As I said, I know nothing about the filmmaking business but the fact that they were able to find 40+ minutes of stuff they could cut out it sounds an awful lot to me like they didn't plan things very well and were just in a rush to get another poorly-thought-out Trek product to market.
Insightful responses welcome...
GMD
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"I returned the call late the next day from my car on my way home from work. I was driving along a narrow tree-lined street in Pasadena that I sometimes take when the traffic is heavy on the freeway."
If he'd crashed in to one of those trees and died, I bet that 48 minutes would have been reinserted. It's about time talking on phones when driving was made illegal.
It has been my understanding that Wil would be in about a dozen or so episodes of Enterprise over the next 2 years. I was hearing he would be part of the whole Temporal Cold War storyline. I wonder if he will be getting cut from this too?
...Wil need to update his FAQ?
Will you be in any of the movies?
I sure will. Look for me in Star Trek X (Star Trek OSX.1, if youre a Mac user) .
Not everything that can be measured matters; Not everything that matters can be measured.
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--Giving to trolls for the benefit of us all
And I have to admit, with you hanging out amongst the throngs of hardcore geeks I have to respect some of your hobbies also. ;)
You'll always have the jerks that will associate you directly with that character for years to come, but your number one in my book man.
He puts in a good plug for Lindows and Mandrake. The article itself is great, Wil seems like a fellow who hasn't let Hollywood go to his head. Kudos for not putting your happiness in the hands of others, Wil.
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DVD extras make me feel a lot safer about this, meaning that I'll be able to see the extra scenes one day. Unless Paramount releases a bare-bones DVD release like they have most of the other Trek movies. Hopefully by the time Nemesis is released on DVD, they wil have finished the other 9 Trek movies in special edition format, and be able to release a quality version of Nemesis right away!
In the meantime, why not enjoy some cut footage from Trek movies-past? Ceti Alpha has some loq-quality-video scenes from Star Trek Generations that didn't make the final cut. Definately worth a look (even though there was no Wesley Crusher/Wil Wheaton in Generations). Happy Trekking!
no thanks
I mean, the guy called him "kid".
Do you not think that Trekkers & Trekkies would gladly sit through 3 hours...heck they would probably sit through 4 hours! Look at the first Movie...nothing can be as boring as that...and it made a great deal of money!
Speaking as a Trekker myself, I would gladly sit thorugh 3 hours of good action, story, etc to be in the Trek Universe on a big screen with a super sound system. And I think that I would love to see a resolution of Wil's charactor from the Trek universe...
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I have a feeling we might see a deleted Wesly scene.... Hell, this may be one of the first DVDs that includes deleted scenes that aren't complete wastes of time.
Heck, I even have a book signed by Wil Wheaton himself.i have the posters, I have a ton of Star Trek stuff.
But to be honest, I was also among the people who used to kid about killing Wesley off early in the series. I never liked the guy, but that didn't turn me off from the actor... until his infamous showing the the Weakest Link. Anyone who saw that will agree with me. I am hoping that's not really how he is, but man, its so hard to shake that image of him being a total jerk. I was just kidding about it before that point when we talked about Wesley.
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And, the other thing that has disappointed me about the Star Trek world is how everything got so good with section 31, and some of the really excellent concepts brought up in the last couple of seasons of DS9 and VOY. Yet, it's all gone. Hopefully this movie will bring back some of it.
Oh yeah, and a good idea for a series. Something about Section 31. That would be really cool.
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~ kjrose
... and that's not a good thing!
Oh well, perhaps he'll give him a role on Enterprise
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Star Trek II: ugly space skanks (what happened to those hot chicks from "Space Seed"?)
Star Trek III: better looking Savek
Star Trek IV: cute but annoying whale-lovin' chick
Star Trek V: sexy muscular Klingon chick
Star Trek VI: boring, regal chick in charge of conference
Star Trek VII: Whoopi Goldberg, ugh
Star Trek VIII: creepy-looking overconfident Borg chick
Star Trek IX: beautiful mature quail who says one too many "live life to its fullist"-style quotes.
I dunno, I'm not seeing much of a pattern here....
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Youz guys are in so much trouble now.
he's not been around scince what? season 4 or 5? i'm more interested in that it looks like troy is gonna get sucked out and the scene in the trailer with data jumping to a broken half of a ship.
Ya see, this is the kind of question you get when you let people with UIDs over 600k post. Not to mention ACs...
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If he'd crashed in to one of those trees and died, I bet that 48 minutes would have been reinserted. It's about time talking on phones when driving was made illegal.
Not only would his footage have been restored (although the entire 48 minutes wasn't about him), the movie would have been dedicated to him as well. And we'd have to sit and listen to the other cast members praise/remember him on talk shows.
I second your call for making driving while phoning illegal. You need to make a cell-phone call? Pull off to the side of the road and talk. When you're ready to dedicate your attention to driving, come back and join the rest of us on the roads!
GMD
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What the hell is wrong with people? Wesley wasn't a bad character. He had his annoying moments (largely in the earlier years,) and I'm not entirely certain I ever believed he was as brilliant as the scripts made him out to be, but he was a reasonable part of the show.
And Wil Wheaton isn't Wesley Crusher. He's a seemingly levelheaded, decent guy. I wish people could get past their hangups and insecurities and be nice people.
There should be a moratorium on the use of the apostrophe.
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I returned the call late the next day from my car on my way home from work. I was driving along a narrow tree-lined street in Pasadena that I sometimes take when the traffic is heavy on the freeway.
Children played on bikes and jumped rope in the growing shadows of the July afternoon. The street was stained a beautiful orange by the setting sun.
A narrow road, children playing on bikes, sun probably shining in your eyes (like it always seems to at that time), and theres you on a phone.. you bad bad man
Of just how much of a *dog* {woof,woof} this movie is going to be.
Too bad they won't bring Khan back from wherever he is to hunt down Kirk. Can't you hear Khan ranting at Picard "What do you mean Kirk's dead?! Kirk isn't dead untill *I* say he is!!! Khan then proceeds to blow Picard and the Enterprise Whatever out of space, and then does the same with Starfleet,Klingons,Romulans and anyone stupid enough to get in his way,all the while screaming "YOU CAN'T HIDE FROM ME,KIRK!!!"
He had one scene. They cut it.
I mean, that's pretty much a cameo. It's not as though there's never been one shoehorned into a Trek film for any other actor before, right?
Was this decision taken by someone who actually gives a damn about what Trek fans want, who understands that we love to be thrown a little treat every so often? Or was it taken by a self important accountant-slash-IP-lawyer wearing a straggly pony tail and trying to pass himself off as one of the creative crew?
It's not as though they couldn't read the script and do some basic storyboarding to work out how long the thing was going to be. Harsh, harsh cut.
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I mean, have any of you ever had sex with a woman?
--William ShatnerThis happens to lots of movies, and many of them turn out great despite (or even because of) the cuts. Witness The Gladiator, which had at least 40 minutes cut out. (Most of those scenes appeared on the DVD btw.) Not to mention LoTR: FoTR, which will have 30 minutes of previously cut material reinserted for the DVD in November.
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That's pretty bold, given that I have only seen the trailer, but here's why I think it'll be bad.
First, the trailer makes it out to have wanna-be horror elements. It's too dark for StarTrek; even First Contact and other encounters with the Borg (by far, the most powerful enemy the Federation knows) are nowhere near as intense. If it hadn't been for familiar characters, I would have said that the trailer was for a budget-hyped Babylon5 episode from the Shadows series.
Second, it seems too action oriented. Yes, we all love the StarTrek blow-up-the-other-ship action. If done well, battles are good and add a lot to the story (DS9 had a few episodes with epic battle scenes with Cards - incredibly cool). This movie just seems to have lots of fighting action without meaningful substance. There's also this ATV with guns driving around on rough terrain, then later jumping into another vehicle much better suited for transportation. That makes little sense to me (I can see arguments, but why?)
My third reason will get me flamed by all the horny geeks out there. The movie appears to have an explicit sex scene. While sex between two characters had been implied frequently in the past, it was never explicitly shown. This destroys an element of the StarTrek universe that I've always found charming: it's always had a childish innocence. A fun element. This kind of subject matter seems to turn ST into a different animal. (This reason is purely subjective.)
Fourth and last, all this spooky, "don't fear..." nonsense that just seems way to ominous to be believable (and quite cheesy - I laught when that bald guy says that in the trailer). This sort of ties into part of reason one. Again, the movie is trying to be something StarTrek isn't.
Overall, I get the strong impression that Rick Berman is not targeting geeks, but rather, the mainstream gun/sex/action oriented entertainment. "Blow stuff up and fuck the girl!" That seems great in a lot of ways, but I've always turned to ST for entertainment of a more intellectual sort.
Rick Berman is pulling a Lucas and not staying loyal to the fans.
Why bother.
Wil, my carreer advice is to see if Peter Jackson needs anyone in LOTR:ROTK still. I think that's going to be a much better career move
I personally did some research and I figure he is some sort of an actor, but
at first, I had no idea who "Wil" was.
But still, I have no idea WHY is he "News for nerds, stuff that matters". A little
background on him would be good. I could have asked my clan-mate Junis, who is a real
nerd, but he is busy compiling the new GCC on his commodore.
I mean, how old is that guy now running the Romulan Empire? 12? Who you do think is going to defeat this cross between Peter Wiggum and Scott Evil? Data? Picard? Pshaw, as if.
No way, it'll be the annoying little punk with phenominal cosmic powers (as taught by the Traveller).
people who want to outlaw talking on a cellphoen while driving are fucking morons
talking, putting on makeup, reaching around to take care of a baby/kids, getting dressed, drinking a soda/coffee and eating food have been statistically proven to be many *many* times more dangerous than simply talking on a cellphone. If you're going to make one illegal, beter make the rest illegal too.
Wil, you da man. Few people ever grow up to be as sound a person as you've had to become. Cheers- and what you will accomplish after 30 will far outshine what you accomplished before 30 :)
All I can say is that I echo most Trek fans' request for a Director's edition DVD that restores most of that footage back into the movie, and puts everything that's still cut in a deleted scenes gallery on the supplemental disc.
-James
Somewhere in Brooklyn, Wesley Crusher falls silent forever.
Driving in New York? While talking on a cell phone? Tsk tsk.
And yes before people scream, I'm aware Wil does not live in New York.
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no, this is even more wishful thinking than the rest (from his web page):
Somewhere in Brooklyn, Wesley Crusher falls silent forever.
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When did it happen? Or is it just the usual array of socially inept geeks, snickering behind the cuffs on their black trenchcoats that make it seem that way? This guy poured his guts into this essay of his. He was obviously stunned by the news, disappointed, hurt even, though he denied it in his story. He had to know it was coming, but it sounds like that knowing didn't help. I was sincerely touched by this.
I was just as annoyed as anybody at Wesley Crusher, but I think Wil Wheaton did the best he could when he was handed what were, frankly, pretty insipid lines. I grew more and more fond of the character as the show and character matured, most particularly the last show he was in regularly.."Final Mission" I think it was. And his character grew even more intriguing with his guest appearances, like the fascinating "The First Duty." At any rate, I looked forward to seeing him in Nemesis. I wish he could have been more a part of it. I wish him the best in finding a successful adult career, and I hope that he puts the unfortunate image that Wesley Crusher has given him through no fault of his own, behind him.
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I only need to know one thing -- where to send my pleading fan letter. I'll gladly sit through a longer Trek film if it gives me what I want -- character development, backstory, FEELING. I grew up with ST:TNG -- this is part of my long-lost childhood they're cutting goddamnit.
We know Nemesis is probably gonna be weak, and we know it'll be the last TNG film -- of which not one to date has lived up to the Trek movie franchise. Why can't they leave in the few things that might make it a really special gift to the fans??
I mean really -- Christian Slater gets his cameo but Wil-fucking-Wheaton gets chopped? This breaks my heart. Even ten seconds of Wesley Crusher dying in a space-battle -- even a glimpse of Wesley in the background as an inside joke -- would delight the fan in me.
Case in point: Tasha Yar. How popular was that? 'Nuf said.
- Sean
He works as a writer but doesn't know the meaning of the word "admonish".
More importantly, did Ashley Judd's cameo get cut too?
Wow, I never thought I'd be jaded by something so quickly before.
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Actually it's more of a sin that he wasn't more incorporated into the script. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Wesley was supposed to be some super-navigator who unified space, time, and thought, wasn't he? By the time his character would have been 30, I'll bet some damn interesting things would have happened to someone as gifted as him.
That would be a GREAT story line for a movie -- Wesley ending up in super-secret Starfleet intelligence and dabbling in deep 23rd century metaphysics, but something going wrong which required the attention of the Enterprise and maybe more Vulcan philosophy....
It's too bad they just turned him into a Starfleet Academy throw-away and left that whole great plot line. If anyone has any more details about the plot line, I'd be curious to learn them.
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He's actually a pretty cool guy. It's a shame to hear that he got cut, but it happens.
I have a feeling that was his last chance to be part of Star Trek and I'm sure he'll miss it.
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The storyline didn't make any sense. Watched the deleted scenes, where a MAJOR part of the plot was cut. Makes more sense.
Some of the deleted scenes from Dogma gave a LOT more insight into the characters.
Alex
I look foward to Andromeda each week. Everyone comes over to my place for Enterprise, we dread it, yet feel compelled to watch.
They don't seem like pioneers, AT ALL.
Captain Archer is an awful character. Earth's first mission, and instead of making new friends and allies, hes imposing his morality on those around him. Earth has no new friends because of him, and hes pissed off the one they started with.
WTF?
Alex
Man, trolls/first posts are really sinking these days.
Given that your gimmick was to swap the second and third letters, your title would then be "First enpis post".
Not only was it the usual waste of time -1 post that it could only be, but you didn't even get the gimmick right so that the 10 or 15 people who could appreciate your subtle humour would praise you as a god amongst second-third letter rotation men.
If you can't even rotate six letters around without stuffing up, then the Terrorists have already won.
Even though I couldn't stand Wesley Crusher on STNG, I think Wil Wheaton is a great dude. I'm bummed for him but glad he's not in the movie all at the same time. Somebody needs to write him into a better role somewhere because I really do hope he finds more success.
Wil Wheaton is the actor who is best known for playing Wesley Crusher on Star Trek: The Next Generation. Turns out unlke the character, Wil is quite cool, a linux user, runs a pretty good blog, and supports most of the goals of the EFF.
Degaussing scares the bad magnetism out of the monitor and fills it with good karma.
I'm right there with you, right after it becomes illegal to have an in-dash stereo, because that poses at least as much of a risk, not to mention all the "drive-by" violations of noise ordinances.
Want to hear music? Then pull off to the side of the road and listen to it. When you're ready to dedicate your attention to driving, come back and join the rest of us on the roads!
Think I'm being reactionary to want to ban the car stereo? Then lay off phone users, many of whom are very careful and attentive drivers.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
Maybe its a stretch but don't you think the very fact that he is going around and imposing his morality on others has only led to pissing people off is indicative of the what happens in real life? Case in point...
While doing research on perceptions of the World's only superpower (the U.S. -- I'm American) in the eyes of outsiders I found the very same thing. The U.S. goes around (along with some of its western europeann allies) and imposes its morality on others. Many times, that morality is just differing opinion but it leads to a lot of people who get pissed off and say "who the f*** is America to tell me how i live my life?". Maybe that isn't the central theme of Enterprise, maybe its not even intentional but I think it gives it a very real flavor. I would think that humans would act like that if they went to space.
its funny of the jealousy that people have for wesley crusher character after 15 years. sometimes hiis role was not well written and he did save the enterprise a little too often but at times his character did represent the nerdy smart guy and anyone who wouldn't want to do one star trek show even with some of his bad lines is nuts. and I think some of the shows, the wesley part was great.
WhatMeWorry!
talking, putting on makeup, reaching around to take care of a baby/kids, getting dressed, drinking a soda/coffee and eating food have been statistically proven to be many *many* times more dangerous than simply talking on a cellphone.
Please provide a URL link to the statistic that shows that more accidents are caused by people getting dressed while driving than from people using cell phones while driving. I'd be interested in seeing it.
Now, accidents being caused because some hot chick is getting undressed while driving I can understand... :)
GMD
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Berman is an asshole for cutting Wils scene. From a personal perspective he should have allowed the guy to have his tiny scene in the huge movie. What a Dick that guy is
Somewhere on Wheaton's website he referes to an "accident" at Waffle House which he referred to as the "pigs-in-a-blanket-fiasco".
But I couldn't find out what this was...can anyone enlighten as to 1) what this guy did at Waffle House, and 2) What was the supposed fiasco ?
Hilarious. The reason Berman gave Wheaton for the cut, it "didn't advance the story." Since _WHEN_ is that an applicable rule for editing a Star Trek movie?! Wil, you're cool, have a great attitude and I really wished you'd been given even a small amount of screentime. You're _owed_ that much. But don't for a _second_ believe that shit. Just watch some of the previous ST: TNG movies for proof that that isn't a valid reason. Star Trek: Insurrection is a prime example.
The one good thing about this movie that I can tell from the trailer - they seem to have discovered 'cinematography'. Finally. But how many movies did it take?
Another character I'd like revisited: Guinan. (yeah, good luck)
If you were a true geek, you wouldn't have to ask who Will Wheaten is. You would Just Know.
But, fool, you are only a nerd. The truly productive members of our technological society who runs his GCC and puts strange Paul Graham quotes in his slashdot signiture. Yet you ask who Will Wheaten is.
Posting here on Slashdot is only a sign of True Geekiness. But I must ask you, do you have a Geek Code? If you are over 16, do still own any action figures? models?
Do you watch cartoons?
These too are only signs of True Geekiness. But your True Nerd may kill the Geek within. You may spend the rest of your miserable life learning about the workings of the Universe, building vast technological systems, and watching reruns of Gilligan's Island.
But one day you become old and gray, and you suddenly discover what you believe to be the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything; and you bring forth this information to the Council of True Geekdom. And they laugh. And Geeks throughout the world learn of your pitiful endeaver and they, too, laugh.
To reconcile, you will be forced to stand on your knees and beg: "Thou art geekier than I."
And then, for the first time, you may learn what we already Just Know.
There is no Spoon.
The director's cut of TWOK kicks ass, but I'm guessing that the people who forked over $$$ for the DVD set are a bit miffed that they're not getting the extra goodies. The added scenes improve the movie more than you'd guess.
/. feel the need to insert an acronym or two just for the hell of it when, more often than not, the unabbreviated text would convey their message just as well.
Sorry to single you out but it's sad how many posters on
TWOK? Would it have killed you to write The Wrath Of Khan? I'm sure that a lot of people knew what you meant but what about the rest of us? Should we really need to rely on a Google search to work out what you're trying to say?
If I, a Star Trek fan who's seen all the shows and all the movies, have to scratch my head wondering what the hell you're talking about what do you think it's like for people who aren't Trek-obsessed?
Would the fifteen seconds that it would have cost you to provide a little clarity kill you?
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
[banning radio nonsense]
Actually, listening to music while driving keeps you from sleeping when you are driving long distances.
"...lay off phone users, many of whom are very careful and attentive drivers."
Them are not the ones I'm worried about.
How about we just band cell-phones from the uncarefull, unattentive drivers...
It sucks for Wil that he got cut, but hey - them's the breaks. He's cool by it and kudos to him. Hopefully Berman will throw him a bone, put in a word, or perform some other cliche. Wheaton's an under-rated talent - hopefully a mainstream director will agree.
But what the crap do I know? I'm a programmer.
In another timeline...
Wesley rescued Kes with the radiation of the briar patch of the bak'u. Wes and Kes team up and exercise the isokinetic hacking power and penetrated star fleet computers. All ships' doctors were replace with the mark 0.1 alpha, which turned out to be some homosexual Trill named Rick Berman.
The defaced doctor Berman now enjoy scrubing waste management conduits with both his hands.
There has been a lot of dicussusions about this on the Trek sites (i.e. TrekWeb) and they've (the studios) have always been saying that about most things. The actors (inc Patrick Stewart) have chimed in to say that if the movie does WELL.. then there'll be another one.
The film will definately offer closure to some TNG threads, especially with what happens at the end... and hence this is where the rumours have come from.
Either way, it will kick bottom!
Are you local? There's nothing for you here!
Invite somebody to the party and kick him out at the door. What kind of a immoral jerk can he be?
GOOD.
No "ST:N Wesley Crusher" action figure to be covered with imaginary tears as its being hyped up by the owner before being sold on eBay to some fan who spends way too much on a plastic action figure.
After Wesley Crusher was written out of ST:TNG there was no point in bringing the character back. I'm amazed the character lasted as long as it did. It had as much value as Yar, and should've been written out sooner.
While I never cared much for Wesley Crusher, Wil is a good actor who deserves more screen time---but in my opinion NOT as Wesley Crusher.
Some people can talk on a mobile phone and drive safely at the same time while others can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Pay attention to the drivers around you and you'll find plenty that have trouble even remaining in their lanes while concentrating as hard as possible on the task of driving.
One-size-fits-all laws rarely make sense. Banning all cell phone usage while driving is a gross overreaction to a minority of drivers with limited skills.
long enough to be shoved out an airlock.
Seriously, he was the most irritating part about any tv show ever.
Looks like alt.wesley-crusher.die.die.die finally achieved its goal. 8-)
THIS is postmodernist humor...
*cough*
...no [BOOBIES] links on slashdot. We don't need 'em here, since most slashdotters get a wood on from reading about "*nix now ported to unexpected device n".
Freedom: "I won't!"
There ARE other Star Trek series' other than TNG and TOS, and I'm sure they'll get movies made. I still think the opportunities are there for the character to appear. Oddly, I wish he would come back to finish off what started as potentially a cool plot thread.
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
-Hoban Washburn
But officer, I can handle my liquor!
Somewhere out there, there's a 3-hour long uncut version.. /isnt/ going to buy that, probably /isnt/ going to be posting here. Get out you frigg'n non-nerd!
Take a bunch of nerds, show them a 2-hour movie.
A couple months later, when it's about to come out on DVD, tell them the movie was actually three hours long.
And it's a star-trek movie.
Anyone who
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
DVDs have changed things. Now they /want/ to have as much "Unseen footage" as possible. They actually make /more/ money now by filming things that dont get put into the theatrical release. They get:
/doesnt/ suck.)
/just/ so that it can get cut. They just dont bother to go over everything making sure to get rid of absolutely all unneccessary scenes first. They can afford not to. /usually/ gets cut. The idea of "Uncut releases" just pushes the excepted number up a bit. "We're 40 minutes over? Oh well." and the rest is on a DVD.
+a lot more time to work on the unreleased stuff
+even more time, because they can just say "We're going to be releasing an extra 40 minutes on the DVD, so you can understand why it's not out yet"
+More sales of the DVD
Yeah, they spend extra money filming, and if they do poorly in theaters, they lose more money (-but still more people buy the DVDs, even if the movie sucks, because they want the "extra content", maybe the uncut
And in the meantime, some scenes get cut.
No, they dont write in the extra 40 minutes
I expect that they were surprised with a whole 40 extra minutes, but would you be so surprised about 10? 20? That's probably what they were expecting. Go over by 20 minutes, cut that down to 10. That much
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
Isn't he scheduled to appear in Star Trek: Enterprise?
"He tells me that they've cut 48 minutes from the movie.
I tell him that they've cut an entire episode out. We laugh.
48 minutes is half of a movie, not just in the can, but cut to a presentable format. I don't know the premise of the sequence in question, but would it be hard to fill it in to make a movie of its own? Since half of it is already paid for, it doesn't really need that much budget either.
So does conversation.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
F@#$ Rick Berman! F@#$ him right in the ear!!! I still love you!!
:)
~Sexy Trekkie
But officer, I can handle my liquor!
Absurd comparison. Alcohol measurably impairs coordination and reasoning. Cell phones do not. There is no one who is unimpaired while drunk.
Race drivers regularly use in-car radio systems and if they can do that at 150mph+, then there is nothing inherently dangerous about a cell phone.
He always annoyed the shit out of me. Despite his presence, NG was the best incarnation of ST ever... IMO.
Beyond Wil Wheaton being axed from Nemesis, it's really a tragety for anybody looking for a real story when they go to the theaters, not the chopped and boxed two hour edit. So many movies out there could have been great if the man with the axe had only shown a bit more restraint and a bit more faith in his fanbase. They're basically saying we as an audiance can't handle a deep plot and don't have the attention span to sit through three hours of movie. It annoys the crap out of me.
A good example and everybodies favorite here on Slash-- Lord of the Rings. Damn near 3 half hours and I loved every single minute of it . I didn't get bored. I didn't wince at the complex plot. I was thrilled that a director actually broke from the pack and lengthened the movie, ultimately making it a par excellent experience. I can't imagine how a two hour Cambells condensed soup version would have added up. Makes you wonder what how the extended edit will fair if the movie is this good now...
Back to the point, I've been waiting for a decent Trek series/movie for years. TNG? Booorrrring... They were the UN of outer space. DS9? Better. It depicted the edgier side of the Trek universe, but it was still pretty damn sanitized. Personnally, it only got good when large quantities of ships began blowing up... Anyway, Voyager? It had it's moments. Too bad they were far and few between. The movies? Wrath of Kahn. Hands down. Undiscovered Country? It was OK filler until the next great movie... Which was... Umm... Sorry, but I wasn't inspired by any of the TNG movies, though First Contact and Insurrection were OK. It wasn't anything that you hadn't seen in the series before. It comes down to this- I'd be willing to bet an extra hour would do the new movie a world of good. The Trek universe is rich and full of plot and the fans want to see it. It's the reason it's been kept going all these years. For once, I wish they'd take break the mold and create an experience, not just a movie.
On Wil Wheaton, it is kinda too bad. Just a hunch, but I'm betting he'd actually be good in something other than that "annoying naive teen" roll he was cast in for 90% of the series. It's a misjustice all the way around....
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"Filmaking" is not a word. How does one make a fil? "Filmmaking", on the other hand, is the process of making films.
Gosh, you'd think a sixth grader could get that. Maybe even a fourth. USE A GOD DAMN SPELL CHECKER!
Isn't it about time Wil got his own section on Slashdot? :-)
Someone set us up the bomb, so shine we are!
The problem with that is trying to combine the phrases 'star trek' and 'well-written'. The two very rarely go hand-in-hand. I always found it amusing that they had Q afraid of Guinan, but could obviously never figure out a reason _why_, when her species was essentially decimated by the Borg, who were nothing to the likes of Q. A neat idea for that episode, but it showed a severe lack of planning. Another reason why I always appreciated Babylon 5, despite it's problems. Planning the major bits of a series out years in advance SHOWS on the screen.
What I'd really like to see is some close to series I liked that didn't get a chance to have a true finale. Space: Above and Beyond is at the top of that list. And despite the extra-crappy nature of many episodes and especially the last episode, I'd love for a true finale to Dark Angel.
A heated debate about Star Trek... welcome to the heart of nerdville.
I love the show but for the love of god it's just not that important. Besides, no offense to Will, I kinda wanted Wesley to spontaneously combust on several occasions watching the show. I say, "cut away," unless some of the cut scenes contained the affore-mentioned spontaneous combustion.
That is all.
_Everyone_ thinks they're an above average driver.
Half of them aren't.
One-size-fits-all is the only way to be fair and
enforcible.
oh - we don't like wesley - even though it was Gene Rodenberry's favourite character. None of you gave the character a chance to develop and as soon as G.R died the Wesley character was pulled. With the pressure you all put on the whole cast, and the series, when you pushed Wheton's character out you all effectively started the downward spiral for Trek (after all isn't the future in the young).
Now you all get what you deserve - fucking crap movies
And you are doing it with star wars - No wonder the writers and producers act like they have no concern for the fans, because no matter what they do - you will still nit pick - go fuck yourself
Why don't all you Wesley and Jar Jar haters out there go pick up a copy of Greg Bear's 'Eon' or 'Forge of God' or Clarke's 'City and the stars' if you want to get real sci fi and let me and my girl friend have some geeky fun.
I doubt you complainers have a real life and thats the whole reason you complained - CAUSE YOR FUCKING BORING PEOPLE, I know cause I've met yor type.
oh yeah, you couldn't kill it any more than it has been, you're going to hell for it and when you get there satan will be a little purple dinosaur to annoy you till the end of time.
That news was announced on April First.... you do the math.
Sorry, not gonna happen. ):
Whoever stated that signature sizes should be limited to one hundred and twenty characters can just go ahead and kiss my
Wow, I think you all just out-did Adric. Now we need some more dinosaurs and an earth-bound freighter.
Wil, clean up on aisle 9. Someone dropped a jar of pickles.
I'm waiting for the uncut version. Fuck the big screen.
I've wandered into the wrong universe, full of Ants and whatevers going on in Wil Wheaton's weblog.
rick berman shaged shatner shatner shagged rodenbery so if will westley weat mumble i want to bump troy shagged berman and cmader taco shags helo then I gues it was all the lame guy guy porn that got cut.
i'm so not going to miss that. burn in hell burn in hell
Imagine a beowulf crusher of clusters?
Actually there is a DIRECT and MEASURABLE comparison between brain activity on the road and cell phone usage. A study was done where people would wear a piece of headgear that would not only measure the placement of one's eyes but also brain activity while driving. Turns out that people talking on cellphones spend less time looking at the road and the parts of the brain which are active while concentrating only on the road are less active while the operator is talking on the phone. Similarly, while intoxicated, and they used this exact comparison, the brain is less concerned with the road and more concerned with other thoughts.
This doesn't even take into account the reality that most people still hold their cell phones with their hands, rather than using the headset.
Your racecar analogy is bogus for reasons that any reasonably intelligent person can see. However, since we're posting on Slashnerd I'll elaborate. A racecar driver has certain commands and phrases that he says to his pit crew that he has said hundreds of times before. There is no conversation and there is no intensive cognitive thought involved. Therefore the portions of the brain which are focused on the road remain focused on the road when these pre-programmed phrases are uttered. Clearly arguing with your girlfriend is more demanding on the brain than "I need gas."
Is it true Paramount originally wanted to cast a troubled hard ass teen (a la Fame) to connect to a more diverse male teen audience, but instead felt that TNG had become too popular and wanted to antagonise existing fans by casting such a rampant homosexual as yourself? Perhaps you can shed some light as to why such action was felt appropriate.
As to the future of your career in feature films, Jebus have mercy on our souls!
Most people look back and wonder where it all went wrong. I can tell you that Crusher fucked a lot of people up.
Where's Clevernickname? I scanned all the nicks in this thread twice to see if he posted a response. I figured since he's a regular ./er he would he might have something additonal to add.
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He said he spent two days on the set doing his scene, but it was cut. I always wondered, would he (or another actor) get paid (something) for the work they did, or do they only get paid if it hits the screen?
I really did want to see Wil in Nemesis, but there's always a good side to this:
At least we won't get to hear about Wes' journey with the Galactic Pedophile.
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You may want to go back and watch that part of the trailer again. The woman has a bare shoulder, and there is obviously some dark clothing which narrows at her neck. Hardly naked if you ask me. ...and Picard is "the man" (pun intended).
People will pass up steak once a week, for crap every day.
Er, pardon my ignorance, but who is Wil Wheaton?
He's a songwriter on Not That Kind by Anastacia. No, really he is.
It looks like Picard, but I'm only really basing that belief on the bald head...
People will pass up steak once a week, for crap every day.
Wil Wheaton is a world famous slashdotter. His nick is 'CleverNickName'.
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Did the old Star Trek Concordance, right?
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never have mod points when I need them.
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"Scottie, now would be a good time. Scottie?"
He was that kid in that old Stephen King movie that wasn't scary.
"Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality." -- Dalai Lama
If you feel as pissed off by what has been done to him as I did, then help Wil win on another front:
/. members clicking this next link actually donate $1, you'd *double* that amount!
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This fall, thousands of people will walk 60 miles from Santa Barbara to Malibu in a remarkable event called the Avon Breast Cancer 3-Day. Wil is one of the celebrity "baits" raising money for this event, and has so far managed to twice exceed his goal (he has managed to rope in $10000++ worth donations so far).
Let's see you guys use the slashdot effect for a worthy cause - if one out of every 10
Go for it, guys!
http://homepage.bethepeople.com/mphp/3DLA-2002/wi
Tom
(not associated with Wil, but have lost friends to the big C)
This doesn't even take into account the reality that most people still hold their cell phones with their hands, rather than using the headset.
You realize you've also just said, people holding conversations while driving can't pay attention to the road, therefore having passengers is just as dangerous.
"I can't give you a brain, so I'll give you a diploma" - The Great Oz (blatently stolen sig)
Race drivers regularly use in-car radio systems and if they can do that at 150mph+, then there is nothing inherently dangerous about a cell phone.
Right, a pro racing driver can have a conversation and drive on a racing track at the same time. Fine. I can vouch for that. I've been driven, and drove myself with pro racing drivers around on racetracks. The pros seem to have no problem taking and driving at the same time.
On the other hand, I, a mere mortal, have driven around on racetracks at high speed at the limit of my ability, and I can tell you, whem I'm breaking into a corner and there's traffic either in front or comming up behind, I'll stop talking in mid-sentence (or even mid-word), and use all of my powers of concentration on controlling the car.
Believe me, it's very difficult to drive on a racetrack and talk at the same time.
Not to mention that a race track is far safer and a normal road. On a race track, I only have to worry about passing the slower cars in front of me, and watching for the faster ones from behind. I never have to worry about children running onto the track.
I'm sorry, you comparison is wrong. Talking (on the phone, with a passanger) while driving does affect your ability to control the car.
"The best part? I became an ordained minister while not wearing pants." -- CleverNickName
I go to the movies a lot. I seldom pay to see sequels at the theater. Mostly because the suck. LOTR will be an exception. When it comes the ST:TNG having Will in the movie would have been a definite plus. It sounds like I'm in the minority here, but after Picard, Wesley Crusher was my favorite character. When he left the show ST:TNG went from "must see every week" to "if I happen to be around the TV on Saturday eveneng when they replay it". I think it was because his character was so intriguing. Like Q and Guinan(sp?) he had the potential for power and it was still up in the air which way he would go. But then again, I'm still waiting for #1's evil twin to reappear:)
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
Passengers are easily silenced with non-verbal communication, like making a left turn through a busy intersection.
A cell-phone conversation in the same situation doesn't skip a beat... well the driver may not respond as fast, but their mind is focused on what the other person is saying.
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Or read this that explains how to create a link.
Maybe we could have an icon of a Borgified Wesley Crusher or something. . .
!#@%*)anks for hanging up the phone, dear.
You can sign a petition to get Crusher back on Nemisis, HERE.
This is a good point... I couldn't really put my finger on why talking on a cell while driving was a lot more distracting than talking to someone in the passenger seat, though I just *knew* intrinsically that it was (having done both many times).
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Even though I couldn't stand Wesley Crusher on STNG, I think Wil Wheaton is a great dude.
... I suspect an older, wiser Wesley Crusher who has the larger view, and the ability to unify space, time, and thought with almost Q-like prowess wouldn't be anybody's lackey, not even Star Fleets. Forget the double-secret Star Fleet agent nonesense. Wes would be more likely to be that external, powerful force, kindly disposed toward Star Fleet but far beyond their petty concerns, and unwilling to interfere in Star Fleet's natural evolution.
... as he refuses to use his powers to fend off a Borg attack which the Fed loses, for example. "These years of darkness are critical to the evolution of the Federation and humanity" or something like that, while the fleet burns near the outer edges of Sol's Oort cloud...
I agree. After having read some of his comments and articles here on slashdot, I've come to really like the dude. He seems to be a genuinely nice, interesting person, who doesn't need an image consultant to make him that way, and that is, I suspect, a rarity in Hollywood.
I'm bummed for him but glad he's not in the movie all at the same time. Somebody needs to write him into a better role somewhere because I really do hope he finds more success.
I disagree. The later Wes (the one who got set back a year at the Star Fleet Academy and ultimately dropped out to go hang out with the Indians on whatever-that-soon-to-be-Cardassian planet was, and then became the Traveller's apprentice) was becoming a very interesting character. That could have been explored in a variety of ways
Indeed, his character provides an interesting opportunity to look at the Prime Directive from the other point of view
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I have several reasons for this. First lets get rid of me not liking his character to begin with... Ahem, ok here we go. At the end of Star Trek TNG, wesley was taken by an entity known as the taveler, so he could explore the universe and move back and fourth through time. Now we havent seen his character since that time, so within 48 minutes they would have had to explain how he came back, what he was doing since that time, and why was he there now. He also was supposed to come in with a wife, they would have to explain that too. The second part is the overall length of the movie. 48 minutes would change from what would be a quaint 2 and a half (around that time) movie to well over three hours. They wanted this movie to be more action intensified, and they wouldn't get that by keeping 48 minutes of character script for one man who hasnt been on the show for years. And lastly, as someone mentioned before, the DVD will already have almost an hour of extra footage ;-)
I'm sorry, you comparison is wrong. Talking (on the phone, with a passanger) while driving does affect your ability to control the car.
So does eating, listening to the radio, talking with passengers, yelling at kids in the back, looking at them in the mirror, etc. I've decided that the minimal additional risk to you and every other driver on the road when I talk on my cell phone is worth it. And that's my decision to make in most jurisdictions. Sorry if that upsets you, but driving is inherently risky and with the absurdly low speed limits on our roads, combined with bumper-to-bumper traffic, there's a greater risk that the boredom will drive me to have an accident than will talking on a cell phone.
Your racecar analogy is bogus for reasons that any reasonably intelligent person can see. However, since we're posting on Slashnerd I'll elaborate. A racecar driver has certain commands and phrases that he says to his pit crew that he has said hundreds of times before.
And I've also listened to them explain, in detail, handling eccentricities of the car, problems that they sense with the engine, etc. So please don't pretend that the only thing ever said on those in-car radios are pre-arranged code words.
Clearly arguing with your girlfriend is more demanding on the brain than "I need gas."
And it's even more demanding when she is right there beside me and I have not only verbal processing but also the natural human tendency to look at her while arguing.
Berman didn't want the "R" rating that the scenes with Wesley boning Robin Lefler would garner...And that's also the reason why he didn't feel so bad. He got his stinky on. Oh well, watch for the xtra footage on the DVD...
perfect combo
Anyone who actually makes this "distinction" needs to be beaten into unconsciousness.
A spade is a spade, sir.
- A.P.
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
_Everyone_ thinks they're an above average driver.
Half of them aren't.
I've been riding motorcycles on the streets in one of the most congested areas in the country for more than 20 years. I'm not dead or crippled, so I am above average.
One-size-fits-all is the only way to be fair and enforcible.
Police spend way too much time enforcing arbitrary and capricious laws rather than protecting public safety. The majority of tickets written are for speeding on superhighways where speeding has little to do with accidents. What we need is fewer laws about what one can and cannot do in a car and more cops patrolling the roads ticketing people who drive recklessly.
But if you still demand more laws, I'll be happy to give up my ability to use a cell phone in my car when the legislature:
1. Makes it illegal to use rear-view mirrors for looking at children in the back seat.
2. Makes it illegal to do personal grooming while driving.
3. Requires one adult for every child in a vehicle (except buses driven by professional drivers).
4. Makes it illegal to eat while driving.
5. Limits the sound level of in-car radios to a such that it does not interfere with the driver's ability to hear.
6. Makes it illegal to drive with the seat reclined to the lay-down position.
7. Makes it illegal to change CDs while driving.
and so forth.
The reality of it is that there are a million and seven distractions that any given driver can give himself. A good driver minimizes his distractions when in complex traffic patterns, reserving things like cell phones for uncrowded roads or highways.
> though I'd love to be the wiz kid, do everything right cept get the girl type.
When I distributed my skill points for this life, I think I did just that. It's not that great either.
I'm glad I'm good at something though.
IMarv
Trusting software vendors is no smarter than trus
-He is active with the Electronic Frontier Foundation. -Like DDP, Asia Carrera, and only a few other public figures--maybe only marginally famous but still in the media--he runs his own website. -He's in his late 20s, just about 30. -READ SOME OF HIS SITE FOOLS, HE RELATES TO A LOT OF THE THINGS YOU DO. And yet you insist on insulting and degrading him. Personally, I'm glad there's someone out there whether or not his 15 minutes is over that advocates for some of the things I believe in. You all should take some notes and be ashamed of yourselves. I guess that's just the way it goes when people make an example of themselves without trying, as Mr. Wheaton has done.
I think with the interesting people, their lives can't possibly be wrapped up into a nice little package.
I must admit I hated Wesley Crusher and the teenage persecution fantasies that Rodenberry played out using him as the vechicle. The whole teenage genius misunderstood by the lessor mortals around him must have been how Gene remembered his own childhood ...
But my respect for the actor is growing with every article posted to Slashdot about him -- he can write at the very least :-)
Now, when are we going to see Voyager or DS9 movies?
You realize you've also just said, people holding conversations while driving can't pay attention to the road, therefore having passengers is just as dangerous. You are correct. There was a peer-reviewed paper, "Carrying passengers as a risk factor for crashes fatal to 16- and 17-year-old drivers," published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (Mar 22/29 2000, pp.1617-8) that did indeed conclude that conversations between the driver and passengers dramatically increased the risk of a fatal accident for newly-licensed drivers.
By the same reasoning people shouldn't be allowed to drive with children in the back seat, or listening to a talk show on the radio. Maybe you should take the CB radios away from cops and truckers. Some people can handle themselves properly when on the phone, and others can not. Everybody should have to use a headset though. I've seen people holding the phone with one hand, and a cigarette and a beverage in the other. I don't even want to think about how they would respond to an emergency situation.
There are way more dangerous things happening on the road then cell phone useage. For example, people with regular passenger car licences driving enormous vehicles. (I don't just mean Ford Excursions, either. I'm talking about those people with the mobile homes too) Driving large vehicles requires special knowledge that is common sense to most people, but not to everybody. We shouldn't be letting any old soccer mom with $38,000 worth of credit drive those things on our highways without getting training first.
that did indeed conclude that conversations between the driver and passengers dramatically increased the risk of a fatal accident for newly-licensed drivers.
There seems to be a line of thought that has cropped up in the last few decades that goes something like this: If someone dies, a law must be passed making illegal whatever directly, or indirectly, lead to their death. The people espousing that line of reasoning seem to believe that once we have enough laws, there will be no more deaths. People will become immortal.
Kids can't ride their bicycles without helmets any more. Lawn darts have been banned. Infants must be tucked away in approved child seats in the back seat of the car. All cars are required to have airbags. We've lowered the blood alcohol level for DUI/DWI multiple times while raising the drinking age.
I have sad news for these people: You cannot legislate death out of existence. People are going to die and some of them will die because of accidents rather than old age. Even if cell phones are banned, there will be traffic accidents just as there were before cell phones existed.
I know: -1 offtopic.
"...I've been enjoying steady work as a writer since January."
...
"I'm feel happy and proud."
Writer for engrish.com perhaps?
a little more depth to Wil than I've given him credit for. I almost feel bad for aome of the things I've said, but then I flash back to shope Next Generation episodes and I want Wesley DEAD :)
Sorry Wil......
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
I thought he was awesome in Yesterday's Enterprise. I know he didn't get a big part...but I dig that episode...cus like Riker got scrapnelled to death and Tasha was in it :D
DEATH TO RIKER! that shit disturber!
ok ok he got better in the movies at least...but I hate that damn look he always give...and I hate Jonathan frakes and his non career.
Okay - question - I was watching the commercial for STX online, and it looks like Picard and Troi were getting it on...is that true? does anyone know?! Back when ST9 was released, the rumours were for STX that Riker and Troi were getting married, and data would come to a sticky end...
I know I should maybe read spoiler pages, but then I will know too much and be forced to kill myself, which would really be a favour to everyone I know.
-binky.
really shoulda logged in there.
d'oh
-binky.
even though they ditched Wesley, they still have...
... ROMULANS!!!!!
/me has to stop for air
:D is my happy smile blinding anyone yet?
I love the romulans, and they got so underused in tng.
-binky.
Rick berman's always taken Star Trek away from where the fans were used to. When Roddenberry died, it went a WHOLE different direction. It stopped becoming a show laced with political/social ideas, to a sci-fi drama. and did it work? Hell yes. The sets got better, the writting got better, and everything else just got ALOT better. It felt like a real show for my generation. Rather than my parents generation. He tried to do a TOS with Voyager, I think, but kind of faltered. it seemed successful, but I didn't care to keep watching after the 3rd episode or so.
DeepSpace 9 on the other hand... By the end, yes it was trying to compete with Babylon five, but it still felt like the star trek we knew and loved from Berman from TNG.
Personally, I can't wait to see what he has in store for us.
As far as the sex scene goes... This is the last voyage of the Enterprise E/D crew, and picard's had only minor success with the ladies, just let him have this one scene!(he was dumped for Q for god's sake...)
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
I've little doubt that the equation "guy + fame = many hot chicks" is very flawed, even if such fame is minimal
Magius_AR
IOW you are not alone with a few dozen experienced drivers on your street when you're car-phoning. And I also doubt you have anywhere near the reflexes of a race driver.
Lars T.
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They crushed crusher, B!
If it was that big of a deal, you could have emailed me privately.
You don't have to be facetious.
Maybe I'm just boycotting html.
Or read this, it explains how to copy and paste.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
Yeah, they're saying that since they they don't expect the audiance to turn out in large enough numbers to make a 3 hour showing worthwhile, be that because of attention spans, stereo typing, etc., they'd cut it down to the "regular size". They obviously thought LotR could pull it off, but not StarTrek? Odd. Both have absolutely huge fan bases and a rich background to draw from, so what's the determining factor? (beyond LotR being absolutely fabulous, obviously).
And the seedier side of the Trek could have been wonderfully executed as you suggest. It definittely could have benefited from a few shades of darkening. It was also something I was hoping for with ST: Enterprise-- They're on the Frontier, unpowered and outclassed in the unknown at nearly every turn, but it's still so damn sanitized it's pathetic. Cripes, I was drawing up scripts for damn near the same thing 4 years ago (it seemed like the only other place Trek could possibly go at the time) with that in mind. Unfortunately Enterprise got there first and my hopes were crushed... Another TNG, but lower tech. ~sigh~ I like Kevin Sorbo in Andromeda better than the last 4 Trek series... (I know, another (post) Roddenberry production). Yes, I'm jaded. I'll step down from my soapbox now.
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Good point. I haven't read the books but I can't possibly see this movie fitting into anything less than three hours and still be good. Given the fine job they did, I think I look forward to the "uncut" DVD and think there'd be no such thing as too much of a good thing if they expanded out to 6 movies...
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In the study I read about (same one?) they were testing many different situations, because they wanted to find out why people "never saw it coming" in most accidents. From analyzing a large number of accidents they found that even though there was a clear view of the oncoming car or pedestrian people wouldn't see them until just before impact.
The research showed that using the brain for different activities while driving affected the ability to process visual data, creating blind spots that varied in size accordingly.
Talking to a passenger while keeping one's eyes on the road wasn't nearly as bad as operating a hand held cell phone. But cell phones and food consumption left the driver effectively impaired as if they had driven after consuming several drinks.
Sure. But they don't have oncoming traffic, intersections, kids crossing the street etc.
Having driven cars and bikes at their limits of adhesion, I can assure you that the concentration needed to handle intersections and pedestrians in a neighborhood street at 25-30mph is nothing by comparison.
And I also doubt you have anywhere near the reflexes of a race driver.
I turn a pretty quick lap, so don't be too sure. Besides, most race drivers don't have incredible reflexes. They have coordination and learned skills. The difference between their driving and yours probably has less to do with how quickly they react and more to do with how they react. That's why many race drivers remain competitive into their 40's -- and beyond.
Not so different from you guys losing a sys admin job that you liked, or being cut from your school team or any number of other things.
Wil Wheaton is NOT Wesley Crusher, and I think everyone's busting his nuts over it is a fucking great example of the lack of empathy that people have nowadays.
You're all a bunch of assholes. There's my empathy. Suck on it.
It sure was strange to see something on Usenet about me that didn't involve Klingon gang rape. -- Wil Wheaton
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"It sure was strange to see something on Usenet about me that didn't involve Klingon gang rape." -- Wil Wheaton
My best guess is that Berman never intended to use the Wesley footage, and Wheaton is in denial over the fact that he's been conned yet again.
What's really irritating is this "it's all for the trekkies" BS. That might wash with the mentally challenged types who never take off their Starfleet uniforms, and insist that people address them by naval rank. For those of us who live in the real world, this is nauseating tripe.
But WTF. I was a Star Trek fan 3/4 of my life, but the stupidity of Enterprise finally put me over the edge. I deliberately read all the Nemesis spoilers just so I wouldn't be tempted to go see it. And anyway, real space opera is finally returning to TV, so who cares?
The other day I was stopped at a red light and looked into my rear0view mirror, to see this stupid woman driver yacking away to the woman next to her. So deep in conversation, she wasn't even looking at the road! I hit my horn, but too late, the stupid bitch rear-ended me. Fucking right talking to passangers when you are supposed to be concentrating on the road is dangerous.
Who thinks that he got cut because he pleged his money towards EFF on "The weakest link".
Somebody in hollywood gets pissed off, cuts his scenes, and his career distroyed forever!
eh?
I'm a big retard who forgot to log out of Slashdot on Mike's computer! LOOK AT ME.
Too late to likely get a response, but what the hell...
The US is the world's only super power. It CAN impose its morality on the world.
In ST:TNG, the Federation is rediculously overpowering, it CAN impose its morality on the world.
In Enterprise, United Earth is a fly on the wall, it should be finding allies.
That's the difference.
I think that Americans, the first time in deep space, would be looking for new weapons and the ability to establish themselves.
Archer is MORE than welcome to beat up on little guys. Its his possession of the Klingon ship and trying to help them, that bothers me. Grab the schematics and figure out how the weapons work. If a Klingon wakes up, shoot them. Next encounter with the Klingons, you're not as much at their mercy.
That's my problem.
America imposes its strategic interests on the world, that's a MAJOR difference. Archer is imposing his morality to the DETRIMENT of the Earth's strategic interests, that's what bothers me.
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As long as the babe is in the movie - and hopefully the one getting screwed by Da Kapitan - I'm happy!
She was supposed to be the "mother figure" on the show (to Picard's "father figure") but she was the quirkiest sexiest mother figure I ever saw.
That Anne Rice "Lasher" spinoff show with the Scottish ghost pleasuring her from the INSIDE? Oh, yeah!
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However, Wil is a snot that abuses his fame when it suits him. I have said it before here, but a great example of this was when some foolish fans tried to get some autographs from him. He handed the first in the group a dollar bill and said, "Here! This is what you are really after, anyway"
I don't recall seeing that or any of his other antics apologized for clearly. Clearly being the word of choice here. Perhaps he grew up a bit, but if he is either unwilling to admit he was wrong or does not think he was... either way he has a bit of growing up to do in many people's eyes.