when in the world did I claim that either my cars, or my solar panels, were supposed to be an investment upon which I expected some sort of return?
You didn't. I was asking out of curiosity, but obviously that was too much for you to handle.
And if you're not part of your community, shaping it and reflecting it, then I pity you. No, you don't have to move.
Well that seems to be what you were implying - that living in a region that's supplied mostly by coal power somehow makes a person "part of the problem," nevermind the fact that relocation is rather carbon-expensive.
Maybe you should work harder on expressing yourself clearly.
AND the whole point is that EVs aren't sold in coal-places, they're sold in places what that use lots of renewables, so their marketing claim is BS.
This makes no sense - where I live is almost exclusively coal powered, and I can go to at least 10 dealerships right now and test drive a brand new EV, be it a Volt, Leaf, i3, electric Focus, Prius Prime, Soul EV... hell, I even saw a Tesla at a used lot the other day.
Maybe you're referencing something here?
Anyway, spend less time being butthurt and more time clarifying what you're trying to convey.
Anecdote is not the plural of evidence, and (I don't think this has ever been more appropriately used) YMMV. What's fine and conveneint for you might be wholly untenable for the next person.
To wit: I make a 500+ mile road trip every couple of months to visit my family. In order to make that trip in an EV available to me today (which precludes your $70,000+ Tesla), I would have to schedule an overnight stay somewhere in Bumfuck, Missouri, and pray that there was a compatible charging station on my route. Not really reasonable when you only get 2 days off a week.
Actually, Tesla held around 300 patents in his lifetime. He invented a LOT of things, and many of the things he invented are the reason you're able to jump on a computer and claim he didn't invent much. Radio, AC power generation/transmission/conversion, wireless transmission of electrical current, Florescent lighbulbs (you do realize Edison didn't actually invent the lightbulb, right? He patented the screw-in type connector. That's it.)... and those are just the things I can see in the room around me right now.
The AC motor, the AC transmission system still in use today, the AC/DC conversion system still in use today, the components that make up radios, wireless transmission of electrical current (you may call it "wireless charging")... yea, he didn't contribute shit, did he?
Face it, ICEs are going to go away sooner or later. If practical, I'd rather it was sooner. I've been repairing and maintaining ICE vehicles of all kinds since I was 15, and it's no picnic.
Me too, and I find the activity cathartic... maybe you're just a shitty diagnostician:P
An electric vehicle would be so much easier to be killed by...
I have 2 electric cars, and solar on my house that generates enough that I have no electric bill.
Couple questions:
- what was your initial outlay for 2 electric cars and a large enough solar array to negate electric bills?
- What's the timeframe on your ROI for that? 30 years? That's usually what I hear from the people who sell solar panels.
But then you just have to decide if you want to be part of the problem, or part of the solution:P
So... I should move? I don't understand how it's my fault that the electricity I have access to is coal-generated.
Oh, right, it's not; merely a virtue of the fact that coal is far more abundant and easily converted to electricity in this area than other, less-ungreen methods*.
* I say "less un-green" because even renewables have a negative impact on the environment, which increases exponentially as those technologies become more prevalant; to whit, solar panels require dirty rare earth minerals, wind generators need to be lubricated with large amounts of petroleum oil, and hydroelectric plants couldn't exist without damming rivers and irreversibly altering landscapes by flooding valleys.
It won't be in anyone's America. There was no need to invoke partisan politics here.
America is too large geographically for short-range EVs to be forced upon the populace. In addition, each state has the ability to write it's own laws (per the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution), so the likelyhood falls even farther considering that geographically large states with sparse populations (Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska, etc) wouldn't be able to function if vehicles capable of 500+ mile drives were banned.
Do you realize that those aren't the only cars available? Do you realize there's this thing called "the aftermarket," where you can buy different exhaust kits?
C'mon. Stop being intentionally obtuse. It's lame.
The only reason the packages are delivered during the day when no one is home is because delivery drivers don't want to work early mornings
Incorrect - delivery drivers work the shift they are assigned, just like anyone else. Their schedule has nothing to do with the driver's personal preference.
Automated delivery vehicles have no such requirements and could easily offer delivery of packages in the early mornings or late evenings when people are awake and at home to receive delivery.
UPS already operates from 6 AM to 8 PM in my area; outside those hours, you're very likely to piss people off.
So Nikola Tesla is as worthless as you, because he died? Yea, never mind all that contribution he made to society, all that technology he invented that dumbasses like you use and fail to appreciate every day.
You really should have stopped about 20 comments ago.
My Kindle, purchased second-hand, cost way less than a cheap second-hand bike. Hell, if I bought it new, it would still have cost less than the price of a second-hand bike in a major city.
The idea that bicycles are super cheap is a fantasy found only in the minds of non-bicyclists.
Homeless aren't there because there is no shelter. They're just too batshit, drunk or high. Would rather be 'free'.
Well, I guess that ends that discussion, since you somehow know the motivations of every single human being on the planet.
You know, for an apparent demi-god, you sure waste a lot of time arguing nonsense on the interwebs... I'd be using my powers to get Ferraris and bitches, personally.
. Once robots can do everything that rich people need them to do, poor people will be irrelevant
I don't understand this logic. What makes rich people rich these days is selling products and services that a lot of people (rich, poor and middle) want.
Well, see, that's your problem - you don't actually know how people get rich.
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How exactly is Cloudflare supposed to respond to a court order other than by obeying it?
Well, if they had a moral objection to it, they could have shuttered their doors a la Lavabit, effectively giving the court a big middle finger.
That is to say, a moral objection that superseded the board and shareholder's love of money. Apparently, tis not the case.
when in the world did I claim that either my cars, or my solar panels, were supposed to be an investment upon which I expected some sort of return?
You didn't. I was asking out of curiosity, but obviously that was too much for you to handle.
And if you're not part of your community, shaping it and reflecting it, then I pity you. No, you don't have to move.
Well that seems to be what you were implying - that living in a region that's supplied mostly by coal power somehow makes a person "part of the problem," nevermind the fact that relocation is rather carbon-expensive.
Maybe you should work harder on expressing yourself clearly.
AND the whole point is that EVs aren't sold in coal-places, they're sold in places what that use lots of renewables, so their marketing claim is BS.
This makes no sense - where I live is almost exclusively coal powered, and I can go to at least 10 dealerships right now and test drive a brand new EV, be it a Volt, Leaf, i3, electric Focus, Prius Prime, Soul EV... hell, I even saw a Tesla at a used lot the other day.
Maybe you're referencing something here?
Anyway, spend less time being butthurt and more time clarifying what you're trying to convey.
Anecdote is not the plural of evidence, and (I don't think this has ever been more appropriately used) YMMV. What's fine and conveneint for you might be wholly untenable for the next person.
To wit: I make a 500+ mile road trip every couple of months to visit my family. In order to make that trip in an EV available to me today (which precludes your $70,000+ Tesla), I would have to schedule an overnight stay somewhere in Bumfuck, Missouri, and pray that there was a compatible charging station on my route. Not really reasonable when you only get 2 days off a week.
Actually, Tesla held around 300 patents in his lifetime. He invented a LOT of things, and many of the things he invented are the reason you're able to jump on a computer and claim he didn't invent much. Radio, AC power generation/transmission/conversion, wireless transmission of electrical current, Florescent lighbulbs (you do realize Edison didn't actually invent the lightbulb, right? He patented the screw-in type connector. That's it.)... and those are just the things I can see in the room around me right now.
The AC motor, the AC transmission system still in use today, the AC/DC conversion system still in use today, the components that make up radios, wireless transmission of electrical current (you may call it "wireless charging")... yea, he didn't contribute shit, did he?
Get the f* off my lawn.
Even if we crack immortality today chances are Tesla will be forgotten within a few billion years,
Sorry, but that's the funniest dumb thing I've read in a good long while.
You have no sense of timescale, do you?
Great, let's use this technology to make power plants more efficient and then drive EVs.
When an EV ca refuel from empty in 5 minutes, you might have a legitimate point.
That day is a way off.
Face it, ICEs are going to go away sooner or later. If practical, I'd rather it was sooner. I've been repairing and maintaining ICE vehicles of all kinds since I was 15, and it's no picnic.
Me too, and I find the activity cathartic... maybe you're just a shitty diagnostician :P
An electric vehicle would be so much easier to be killed by ...
FTFY. At least with an ICE I don't have to worry about being electrocuted.
I have 2 electric cars, and solar on my house that generates enough that I have no electric bill.
Couple questions:
- what was your initial outlay for 2 electric cars and a large enough solar array to negate electric bills?
- What's the timeframe on your ROI for that? 30 years? That's usually what I hear from the people who sell solar panels.
But then you just have to decide if you want to be part of the problem, or part of the solution :P
So... I should move? I don't understand how it's my fault that the electricity I have access to is coal-generated.
Oh, right, it's not; merely a virtue of the fact that coal is far more abundant and easily converted to electricity in this area than other, less-ungreen methods*.
* I say "less un-green" because even renewables have a negative impact on the environment, which increases exponentially as those technologies become more prevalant; to whit, solar panels require dirty rare earth minerals, wind generators need to be lubricated with large amounts of petroleum oil, and hydroelectric plants couldn't exist without damming rivers and irreversibly altering landscapes by flooding valleys.
It certainly won't be Trump's America!
It won't be in anyone's America. There was no need to invoke partisan politics here.
America is too large geographically for short-range EVs to be forced upon the populace. In addition, each state has the ability to write it's own laws (per the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution), so the likelyhood falls even farther considering that geographically large states with sparse populations (Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska, etc) wouldn't be able to function if vehicles capable of 500+ mile drives were banned.
You do realize that most of the recent cars...
Yes.
Do you realize that those aren't the only cars available? Do you realize there's this thing called "the aftermarket," where you can buy different exhaust kits?
C'mon. Stop being intentionally obtuse. It's lame.
The only reason the packages are delivered during the day when no one is home is because delivery drivers don't want to work early mornings
Incorrect - delivery drivers work the shift they are assigned, just like anyone else. Their schedule has nothing to do with the driver's personal preference.
Automated delivery vehicles have no such requirements and could easily offer delivery of packages in the early mornings or late evenings when people are awake and at home to receive delivery.
UPS already operates from 6 AM to 8 PM in my area; outside those hours, you're very likely to piss people off.
I used to love going to RadioShack and digging through the bins of components, looking for parts and inspiration... sadly that's no longer an option :(
And the dolphins know they're the smarter ones for THE EXACT SAME REASON.
FTFY
So Nikola Tesla is as worthless as you, because he died? Yea, never mind all that contribution he made to society, all that technology he invented that dumbasses like you use and fail to appreciate every day.
You really should have stopped about 20 comments ago.
Well, that one is.
Someone hand that kid a Tide pod...
Is that one of those enlightened countries that jails people for being offensive?
http://www.bikeforfree.net/7-w...
My Kindle, purchased second-hand, cost way less than a cheap second-hand bike. Hell, if I bought it new, it would still have cost less than the price of a second-hand bike in a major city.
The idea that bicycles are super cheap is a fantasy found only in the minds of non-bicyclists.
The last 3 bikes I've owned were free, so...
Homeless aren't there because there is no shelter. They're just too batshit, drunk or high. Would rather be 'free'.
Well, I guess that ends that discussion, since you somehow know the motivations of every single human being on the planet.
You know, for an apparent demi-god, you sure waste a lot of time arguing nonsense on the interwebs... I'd be using my powers to get Ferraris and bitches, personally.
. Once robots can do everything that rich people need them to do, poor people will be irrelevant
I don't understand this logic. What makes rich people rich these days is selling products and services that a lot of people (rich, poor and middle) want.
Well, see, that's your problem - you don't actually know how people get rich.
Automobiles are absolutely essential to society - without them, you starve to death in a few days.
Cigarettes are a luxury, like chocolate. If they disappeared tomorrow, no non-smoker would care.
Thank you for proving my point.
As soon as [not-rich people] cease to be valuable as labor the only sensible thing to do is exterminate them
FTFY.
Giving 'the poors' freebies isn't likely, considering history.
The "Second hand" argument only works because smokers are a minority.
Try regulating something enjoyed by the majority, like automobiles, because of the 'secondhand' damage they do to your health, and watch society balk.
You didn't really just equate planet-scale disasters with accidentally deleting your homework, did you?
Goddamn.