You should have claimed the comment was satire, because for satire it's pretty good.
Now knowing that you were not being satirical, I have to wonder about your logical process... Do you make a habit of saying stuff about topics you're completely ignorant of? To wit, anyone who's heard anything Torvalds has said publicly would know that he's clearly a very cynical person.
Seems these people and the OP have already given themselves stupidity...
To be fair, the causation implied by the idiotic headline in both the summary, and TFA, did not come from the study. The authors were very careful to say that the effects were only "associated".
Presumably, the same way owning a car and getting audited by the IRS are "associated."
Uh right. It's clearly a metaphor that is clearing comparing parking spaces to men.
I believe the statement is one of those new cultural phenomena often referred to as a "joke."
Apparently, in order to understand, or "get," these joke things, one must first acquire something called a "sense of humor."
Are they talking that they (women) need to be handicapped to get these good men or that these good men are in some shape or form handicapped and if so what sort of handicap are these women perceiving that makes them decide that these good men aren't worth pursuing
Wow, you really don't get it, do you? OK, then, the joke is that all the men worth being with are either married to someone else, or suffer some sort of detriment, or "handicap," that makes them not worth being with.
No quicker way to take the humor out of a thing then by having to have a picture drawn for you. Thanks for ruining the joke.
However, even though most people are wrong, it's still a word to avoid throwing around so you don't sound like a bigot to those people.
Just like "niggardly" or 'tar baby."
FWIW, I don't really care what I sound like to ignorant people. If we keep letting stupid people take away our language, we'll soon have nothing left to say.
Because my experience tells me that our economy is greed-driven, and I've yet to see evidence to the contrary.
The VA hospital system does so much better?
Did I say they did? Or is this one of those "nevermind the right hand, look at what the left is doing" kinda things?
Yea, the VA is fucked, but that doesn't mean that non-VA hospitals are somehow magically less fucked. 200,000 lives every year lost because of negligent doctors making preventable mistakes. That makes it the third leading cause of US deaths, and thus, something worth checking into, rather than ignoring because "well X has problems too!"
Have you read about the follies of the NHS?
Oh, I see, you're under the mistaken impression that I think private hospitals should be replaced with government run ones. That explains a lot.
Look, I couldn't give less of a rat's ass who runs the hospitals, what I care about is doing something about the quarter million deaths caused by idiots working in medical "care." Trying to deflect blame from the for-profit system (which, by nature, puts money above people) by pointing out that many government-run medical systems are fucked up too is disingenuous at best.
I mean really -- you just said that because nobody admitted to a crime, none occurred.
No, actually, I didn't. I pointed out that if such a thing as "rape culture" existed the way the submitter presumes it does, then a rapist would have zero qualms about admitting to raping someone. You extrapolated that to mean what you wanted it to mean to serve your own agenda, either consciously or subconsciously.
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Yea, about that... These should help you avoid making the same mistakes in the future.
I love how you get to define single-point rules that say "if X, then not Y", as if you are an authority on a nebulous concept that hasn't been defined.
Kinda like how you "got" to define OP's claim as "the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence?"
America has a weed culture, but because it is illegal, people don't usually brag about their use of it, despite our use being one of the highest on the planet.
Quick aside:
lol. "highest."
Back to point:
OK, so the day that someone opens a "rape shop" where a person can walk in and purchase the accoutrements necessary to rape another person (all labeled "not for illegal use," of course), and people start walking around in pro-rape tshirts, having Rapefest concerts in public parks, you can claim that there's a "rape culture" equivalent to the "weed culture."
Until that day comes, your "example" is nothing more than false equivalence.
I think you're conflating apathy with fear of harm.
Most of the "geeks" I know are non-confrontational, not because they don't care, but because they're afraid that if they get involved, something bad will happen to them.
Come to think of it, replace "geeks" in that previous sentence with "people." Still accurate.
The why of it is the part I'm unsure of, although were I a bettin' man, I'd put money down that nowadays, most people don't want to get involved in other people's conflicts for fear of lawsuit.
Same reason we have no end of media submissions about how we need to do something about the 'epidemic' of gun violence that takes 30,000 lives a year, but turn a blind eye to the negligent medical care issue that kills 7 times as many people in the same time period.
Remember the media adage, "if it bleeds, it leads."
You don't know that nobody on your team did that. You think it.
Which further reinforces the notion that this "rape culture" idea is nonsense, as if there was "culture" that approved of the behavior, anyone on his team that might have engaged in said criminal activity wouldn't have hesitated to brag about it.
I also had a Thinkpad tablet (an x60) and thought the hinge was about as robust as it could be, given the circumstances of trying to send a video signal through several rotating bearings with different degrees of freedom.
I was thinking in comparison to standard laptop hinges; in fairness, the Thinkpad hinge was miles above and beyond any other offering I saw at that time. Still, I was always very careful about how I opened/closed/rotated it.
I would love to have a similarly convertible tablet today, except thinner and lighter (like a Surface, but with the ability to use in laptop mode in my lap, and without the locked bootloader evilness).
And an actual attached, hinged screen, rather than that "detachable keyboard" nonsense. That's just one more peripheral for me to try and lose.
Carried one for several years when I was a network tech at a local college; aside from the decidedly chincy (sp?) rotating hinge for the screen, I absolutely loved using that thing.
I've never seen a problem with the profit motive. I want doctors to make a lot of money, so that smart people choose to become doctors. However, the details matter.
Did you not read the article I linked to, which points out that doctors, out of ignorance and negligence, kill quarter-million and injure another quarter-million Americans every single year? Did you not read the account of the med student who "kept his mouth shut" about the blatant negligence of his colleagues, lest he ruin his career by blowing the whistle?
I dare say you don't see a problem with the profit motive because you've never bothered to look.
Where I live, schools seem to be going up quite fast. Without exception, within a few months of the school opening (if not before), they truck in the portables.
Brand new schools, with portables.
So, either school boards are uniformly stupid, and can't add. Or cities are failing to make the developers pay enough to build adequate schools for the amount of houses they build. Or school boards are so under funded, they start off designing a school they know will be outgrown before its even open.
.. Or the portables are intended to serve a different, specific purpose. Do you know which classes are held in them?
When they started putting mobiles in the school lots back home, I got suspicious. When they moved all the LD and "bad kid" classes into them, I had my suspicions confirmed - the portables exist to segregate groups of "undesirables" from the rest of the student body, likely to limit their influence both on attitudes and government-mandated test scores on which funding is based.
They even have their own buses; it's like 2 different schools sharing one parcel of land.
You might want to provide links for your second point, and also for your third while you're at it. 700,000 miles without incident is not a bad track record (no pun intended).
700,000 miles over pleasant, well maintained, unused roads ain't shit.
Wake me when it's survived 2 years of poorly maintained northern Arkansas roads, 'specially in winter time.
In case you've never driven in northern Arkansas during winter, yes, "survived" is the right term to use.
Man, that sure makes me glad that computers are built and programmed by infallible gods, and not dumb humans!
Not that a computer wouldn't probably react better than a human in most situations, but rather, pointing out that "have a computer do it" is not a magical panacea for eliminating the possibility of human error.
His attack, if you want to call it that, was pertinent to the discussion and so by definition was not an ad hominem.
I, for one, would love to hear your explanation of how accusing someone of being a cave-dweller because they do not believe a certain technology has yet developed to the point where it is feasible is "pertinent to the discussion."
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You should have claimed the comment was satire, because for satire it's pretty good.
Now knowing that you were not being satirical, I have to wonder about your logical process... Do you make a habit of saying stuff about topics you're completely ignorant of? To wit, anyone who's heard anything Torvalds has said publicly would know that he's clearly a very cynical person.
Seems these people and the OP have already given themselves stupidity...
To be fair, the causation implied by the idiotic headline in both the summary, and TFA, did not come from the study. The authors were very careful to say that the effects were only "associated".
Presumably, the same way owning a car and getting audited by the IRS are "associated."
That said, cynical people rarely exercise their brains to understand the world,
Care to expound on that? Because it seems dubious - from what I can tell, even Einstein was a fairly cynical dude:
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
Uh right. It's clearly a metaphor that is clearing comparing parking spaces to men.
I believe the statement is one of those new cultural phenomena often referred to as a "joke."
Apparently, in order to understand, or "get," these joke things, one must first acquire something called a "sense of humor."
Are they talking that they (women) need to be handicapped to get these good men or that these good men are in some shape or form handicapped and if so what sort of handicap are these women perceiving that makes them decide that these good men aren't worth pursuing
Wow, you really don't get it, do you? OK, then, the joke is that all the men worth being with are either married to someone else, or suffer some sort of detriment, or "handicap," that makes them not worth being with.
No quicker way to take the humor out of a thing then by having to have a picture drawn for you. Thanks for ruining the joke.
I'm curious, what do they mean by handicapped?
Um, that you have to have a special hangtag/plate to park there?
However, even though most people are wrong, it's still a word to avoid throwing around so you don't sound like a bigot to those people.
Just like "niggardly" or 'tar baby."
FWIW, I don't really care what I sound like to ignorant people. If we keep letting stupid people take away our language, we'll soon have nothing left to say.
And you blame that on the profit motive because?
Because my experience tells me that our economy is greed-driven, and I've yet to see evidence to the contrary.
The VA hospital system does so much better?
Did I say they did? Or is this one of those "nevermind the right hand, look at what the left is doing" kinda things?
Yea, the VA is fucked, but that doesn't mean that non-VA hospitals are somehow magically less fucked. 200,000 lives every year lost because of negligent doctors making preventable mistakes. That makes it the third leading cause of US deaths, and thus, something worth checking into, rather than ignoring because "well X has problems too!"
Have you read about the follies of the NHS?
Oh, I see, you're under the mistaken impression that I think private hospitals should be replaced with government run ones. That explains a lot.
Look, I couldn't give less of a rat's ass who runs the hospitals, what I care about is doing something about the quarter million deaths caused by idiots working in medical "care." Trying to deflect blame from the for-profit system (which, by nature, puts money above people) by pointing out that many government-run medical systems are fucked up too is disingenuous at best.
I mean really -- you just said that because nobody admitted to a crime, none occurred.
No, actually, I didn't. I pointed out that if such a thing as "rape culture" existed the way the submitter presumes it does, then a rapist would have zero qualms about admitting to raping someone. You extrapolated that to mean what you wanted it to mean to serve your own agenda, either consciously or subconsciously.
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Yea, about that... These should help you avoid making the same mistakes in the future.
I love how you get to define single-point rules that say "if X, then not Y", as if you are an authority on a nebulous concept that hasn't been defined.
Kinda like how you "got" to define OP's claim as "the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence?"
America has a weed culture, but because it is illegal, people don't usually brag about their use of it, despite our use being one of the highest on the planet.
Quick aside:
lol. "highest."
Back to point:
OK, so the day that someone opens a "rape shop" where a person can walk in and purchase the accoutrements necessary to rape another person (all labeled "not for illegal use," of course), and people start walking around in pro-rape tshirts, having Rapefest concerts in public parks, you can claim that there's a "rape culture" equivalent to the "weed culture."
Until that day comes, your "example" is nothing more than false equivalence.
Boy, that escalated quickly.
It could be worse. Someone could have brought up Hitler. ...
Dammit.
No worries, it doesn't count as a Godwin until you actually compare someone to Hitler.
Carry on.
What are you, some kind of meme Nazi???
Touche`, Herr Doofus.
I think you're conflating apathy with fear of harm.
Most of the "geeks" I know are non-confrontational, not because they don't care, but because they're afraid that if they get involved, something bad will happen to them.
Come to think of it, replace "geeks" in that previous sentence with "people." Still accurate.
The why of it is the part I'm unsure of, although were I a bettin' man, I'd put money down that nowadays, most people don't want to get involved in other people's conflicts for fear of lawsuit.
It's a perception vs reality issue.
Same reason we have no end of media submissions about how we need to do something about the 'epidemic' of gun violence that takes 30,000 lives a year, but turn a blind eye to the negligent medical care issue that kills 7 times as many people in the same time period.
Remember the media adage, "if it bleeds, it leads."
So you've never heard "I can't believe that a great, nice guy like me can't get girls because they all go out with assholes" from a nerd before?
Nope, never heard that one.
Of course, I don't spend a lot of time hanging around self-obsessed douche-bags who think that they're $deity's gift to the world. If you do, YMMV.
Conversely, I have heard women say "Men are like parking spaces - all the good ones are either taken or handicapped." Not sure if/how that applies.
You don't know that nobody on your team did that. You think it.
Which further reinforces the notion that this "rape culture" idea is nonsense, as if there was "culture" that approved of the behavior, anyone on his team that might have engaged in said criminal activity wouldn't have hesitated to brag about it.
Boy, that escalated quickly.
It could be worse. Someone could have brought up Hitler. ...
Dammit.
No worries, it doesn't count as a Godwin until you actually compare someone to Hitler.
Carry on.
It's spelled "chintzy."
Thanks.
I also had a Thinkpad tablet (an x60) and thought the hinge was about as robust as it could be, given the circumstances of trying to send a video signal through several rotating bearings with different degrees of freedom.
I was thinking in comparison to standard laptop hinges; in fairness, the Thinkpad hinge was miles above and beyond any other offering I saw at that time. Still, I was always very careful about how I opened/closed/rotated it.
I would love to have a similarly convertible tablet today, except thinner and lighter (like a Surface, but with the ability to use in laptop mode in my lap, and without the locked bootloader evilness).
And an actual attached, hinged screen, rather than that "detachable keyboard" nonsense. That's just one more peripheral for me to try and lose.
the car might count as a four-wheeled low-powered motorcycle, for example. (This could be the case in the UK.)
For some reason, that sentence invokes the mental image of Jeremy Clarkson trying to drive one through an office building.
Carried one for several years when I was a network tech at a local college; aside from the decidedly chincy (sp?) rotating hinge for the screen, I absolutely loved using that thing.
Pretty sure it was an IBM Thinkpad variant.
I've never seen a problem with the profit motive. I want doctors to make a lot of money, so that smart people choose to become doctors. However, the details matter.
Did you not read the article I linked to, which points out that doctors, out of ignorance and negligence, kill quarter-million and injure another quarter-million Americans every single year? Did you not read the account of the med student who "kept his mouth shut" about the blatant negligence of his colleagues, lest he ruin his career by blowing the whistle?
I dare say you don't see a problem with the profit motive because you've never bothered to look.
Where I live, schools seem to be going up quite fast. Without exception, within a few months of the school opening (if not before), they truck in the portables.
Brand new schools, with portables.
So, either school boards are uniformly stupid, and can't add. Or cities are failing to make the developers pay enough to build adequate schools for the amount of houses they build. Or school boards are so under funded, they start off designing a school they know will be outgrown before its even open.
.. Or the portables are intended to serve a different, specific purpose. Do you know which classes are held in them?
When they started putting mobiles in the school lots back home, I got suspicious. When they moved all the LD and "bad kid" classes into them, I had my suspicions confirmed - the portables exist to segregate groups of "undesirables" from the rest of the student body, likely to limit their influence both on attitudes and government-mandated test scores on which funding is based.
They even have their own buses; it's like 2 different schools sharing one parcel of land.
You might want to provide links for your second point, and also for your third while you're at it. 700,000 miles without incident is not a bad track record (no pun intended).
700,000 miles over pleasant, well maintained, unused roads ain't shit.
Wake me when it's survived 2 years of poorly maintained northern Arkansas roads, 'specially in winter time.
In case you've never driven in northern Arkansas during winter, yes, "survived" is the right term to use.
Man, that sure makes me glad that computers are built and programmed by infallible gods, and not dumb humans!
Not that a computer wouldn't probably react better than a human in most situations, but rather, pointing out that "have a computer do it" is not a magical panacea for eliminating the possibility of human error.
at a maximum of 25mph, you're not going near an expressway.
Which leads one to wonder, why did they put that limit on the vehicles? Is Google not confident that their product is ready for highway-speed testing?
His attack, if you want to call it that, was pertinent to the discussion and so by definition was not an ad hominem.
I, for one, would love to hear your explanation of how accusing someone of being a cave-dweller because they do not believe a certain technology has yet developed to the point where it is feasible is "pertinent to the discussion."
Or any discussion, for that matter.
Except the fact that no "app" currently on the market has the capability to directly alter your body chemistry via the bloodstream.
$deity help us when that day comes...