It seems like whenever an organization DOES try an astroturfing campaign ("Citizens for Enhanced Comcast Monopoly") it gets spotted so quickly for what it is that it seems to achieve negative results.
Not when it is framed as an *Exciting new customer experience at lower than low prices that only we, with our grand national infrastructure and 5 billion channels, can provide*. This is why Comcast already enjoys its monopoly it holds now.
This stuff is all over the place. Somebody just got named. And who knows? With this Ukraine thing, there's plenty of propaganda flying in both directions. Some people on this side have a war to sell. And the fact is that our wars were sold to us by professional "trolls", precisely through mass media. Sounds pretty nefarious to me... Definitely state sponsored astroturfing.
Well, the problem is who are you going to trust. Mass media puts out some truly incredible stuff. After all, it is a tool of the powerful. But, I'm sorry, to "get tricked" by anything you hear on Twitter, Facebook, etc goes a bit beyond the absurd, just at face value of the medium. And really, we all know that trolling is a global enterprise, and that the Americans are probably the best in the business. (Actually, I would put that on the Brits, being the literary giants they are) Notice that nobody wants to believe they might actually outpace the Russians by a long shot. Russians are not known for their subtlety so their work may appear crude and more obvious. Sometimes the people who don't make the news are the more interesting subject. Staying in the background has its advantages.
What's your plan? Demand a license to operate a computer on the internet? Censorship is not the answer. I can tune out the trolls. Maybe that is something to teach the kids in school.
Frankly put, I'm unaware of "American organized political trolling" that rivals this.
Americans are quick to believe the Official Narrative, no matter how absurd. Mass media is the professional 'troll' that gets people to fight each here.
You know, the simple fact is that the states are a bunch of corrupt little fiefdoms that would be at constant war with each other like medieval Europe if not for the feds. Our obligation is to provide strong oversight, but we have abdicated our responsibilities. The government's failures are our failures.
"If you're not doing anything wrong, what are you worried about?" said Tom Charlton, 64, a retired sales training manager for a tire company, who was first in line at a book-signing with Paul in Davenport. "If this can stop one attack, it's worth infringing on legal citizens' rights."...
"I don't want the mall to get bombed because they didn't get the information they needed," said [Vivian] Martin...
Sally Cram, 62, said after leaving a town hall meeting with Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) that she supports the NSA program because "I'm a person who believes our government tells us the truth."...
These are the American citizens who keep this stuff alive, because they believe... It doesn't matter if Rand Paul is occasionally right. Being "right" has very little to do with anything.
If it dies, it's because they already have something to replace it. We will be informed on a 'need to know' basis. They will decide when we 'need to know'.
Oh jeeze! Nixon was doing it back in '69. They had big hearings about it, amongst other things in 1975. You may or may not have read about it in your history books.
Not at all. The GOP is dying for someone like her. As a republican, she would draw more votes than Reagan, even from the democrats. She's perfect. If I were to vote republican, I would vote for her in a heartbeat. I think the republicans should write her in during their primaries. Let's see if she shows up at the convention.
The country has gone through much worse... The Patriot act did little more than turn the 'covert' into the 'overt'. They can rob the bank in broad daylight, and nobody will raise a fuss.
Okay, You all can stop now.. I, for one, don't need to read the same old stories and hear the same old comments over and over. Let's talk about baseball! How 'bout them Cubs?
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You're just being partisan.
It seems like whenever an organization DOES try an astroturfing campaign ("Citizens for Enhanced Comcast Monopoly") it gets spotted so quickly for what it is that it seems to achieve negative results.
Not when it is framed as an *Exciting new customer experience at lower than low prices that only we, with our grand national infrastructure and 5 billion channels, can provide*. This is why Comcast already enjoys its monopoly it holds now.
This stuff is all over the place. Somebody just got named. And who knows? With this Ukraine thing, there's plenty of propaganda flying in both directions. Some people on this side have a war to sell. And the fact is that our wars were sold to us by professional "trolls", precisely through mass media. Sounds pretty nefarious to me... Definitely state sponsored astroturfing.
Well, the problem is who are you going to trust. Mass media puts out some truly incredible stuff. After all, it is a tool of the powerful. But, I'm sorry, to "get tricked" by anything you hear on Twitter, Facebook, etc goes a bit beyond the absurd, just at face value of the medium. And really, we all know that trolling is a global enterprise, and that the Americans are probably the best in the business. (Actually, I would put that on the Brits, being the literary giants they are) Notice that nobody wants to believe they might actually outpace the Russians by a long shot. Russians are not known for their subtlety so their work may appear crude and more obvious. Sometimes the people who don't make the news are the more interesting subject. Staying in the background has its advantages.
What's your plan? Demand a license to operate a computer on the internet? Censorship is not the answer. I can tune out the trolls. Maybe that is something to teach the kids in school.
Frankly put, I'm unaware of "American organized political trolling" that rivals this.
Americans are quick to believe the Official Narrative, no matter how absurd. Mass media is the professional 'troll' that gets people to fight each here.
You know, the simple fact is that the states are a bunch of corrupt little fiefdoms that would be at constant war with each other like medieval Europe if not for the feds. Our obligation is to provide strong oversight, but we have abdicated our responsibilities. The government's failures are our failures.
If this is where your interests are, Soylent has forked an re-opened Slash...
Careful! They got unicode. You already know what that can do to your iPhone.
We could "ID" them in the obituaries...
Yes, we can rant and rave all we want, they don't hear any of it. The simple fact is that we are outnumbered. Nothing else matters at this point.
"NSA oversight"... that's like "matter/anti-matter". You're not gonna get both, well, not in the same room.
:-) Which PEOPLE are you talking about?
"If you're not doing anything wrong, what are you worried about?" said Tom Charlton, 64, a retired sales training manager for a tire company, who was first in line at a book-signing with Paul in Davenport. "If this can stop one attack, it's worth infringing on legal citizens' rights."...
"I don't want the mall to get bombed because they didn't get the information they needed," said [Vivian] Martin...
Sally Cram, 62, said after leaving a town hall meeting with Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) that she supports the NSA program because "I'm a person who believes our government tells us the truth."...
These are the American citizens who keep this stuff alive, because they believe... It doesn't matter if Rand Paul is occasionally right. Being "right" has very little to do with anything.
:-) That's funny
If it dies, it's because they already have something to replace it. We will be informed on a 'need to know' basis. They will decide when we 'need to know'.
That's some funny shit! But I don't see how any of that sets her apart.
You mean, it's official? You got the inside scoop?
Nobody is saying copyright law shouldn't exist.
Nobody?? I don't think so...
Copyright keeps a device company from taking artist's songs and selling them for use exclusively on their devices.
How can that happen if there is no copyright? You make no sense.
Oh jeeze! Nixon was doing it back in '69. They had big hearings about it, amongst other things in 1975. You may or may not have read about it in your history books.
Not at all. The GOP is dying for someone like her. As a republican, she would draw more votes than Reagan, even from the democrats. She's perfect. If I were to vote republican, I would vote for her in a heartbeat. I think the republicans should write her in during their primaries. Let's see if she shows up at the convention.
You're not serious!
We got by for 239 years without it...
The country has gone through much worse... The Patriot act did little more than turn the 'covert' into the 'overt'. They can rob the bank in broad daylight, and nobody will raise a fuss.
Hillary would be the best republican since Eisenhower.
Okay, You all can stop now.. I, for one, don't need to read the same old stories and hear the same old comments over and over. Let's talk about baseball! How 'bout them Cubs?
Isn't this like... old shit? Are people asking for dupes now?
Sounds like in addition to being just a dispatcher for illegal cabs, Uber is also a bunch of self entitled assholes who want to spam your friends.
No, it's basically a bunch of Wall Street weenies riding the overinflated 'valuation' bubble.