We are very close. Our society overproduces enough now (and throws out about half!) to give a very good standard of living to those being laid off, but the economic system mandates rationing (thus the waste and burn off) and perpetual growth of the population. That system will hit the brick wall.
Nope, the tailgater is always wrong, without exception. You keep a safe distance and you won't hit anything, simple law of physics. I do have the right to avoid blowing the light. If you rear end me, screw you. You were too damn close or driving too fast! I am not responsible for the people behind me in any way. I always do my best to allow them to pass if they are so inclined. You don't have to like it. Just accept it and move along.
Ah, well, that's completely different. So basically what will happen is nothing, just more poverty. And I'm supposed to blame automation for that? I guess the people with all the money better put it under lockdown so we can't use it ourselves for our own purposes.
The natural state is you have to work to stay alive.
That is true only until the machines do the work for you. You're still completely failing to understand the concept. You are unable to see past your obsolete 19th century economic model.
I am truly amazed. Nobody here has the slightest clue what abundance means, and they are so conditioned by the 'elders' to reject the entire concept as impossible, and even undesirable! Fascinating...
Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization.
If the majority of people on this planet could create a purpose for themselves there wouldn't be religion...
Yeah, and? Sounds like a good thing. They should get to work! And what's wrong with art? If you want to live a sad life, then, by all means... I have other plans
I don't care if you hit a brick wall. if you get rear ended, the guy was too close to begin with. That's what the insurance companies say, and I agree.
Yes, reducing waste is a big part of the deal, and it doesn't reduce the standards of living in any way. At least a half of what we produce now is thrown away, even over there in Africa food is rotting in warehouses. Our problems are strictly managerial. I still maintain that standards of living would be much higher than you believe. Your accounting methods will no longer apply.
Who says anybody needs to 'own' them? Just build a fence to keep the occasional racoon from jamming up the works. The thing is, with machines doing everything, all of our phony economic models completely fall apart. We already know that scarcity is manufactured in great abundance to prop up the otherwise unsustainable system of the concentrated wealth/power we have today. In fact, automation creates 'communism' by default. All needs are met, no effort required. And then, we will fight wars to protect the machines that feed us. So we'd better weaponize them to protect themselves... uh oh!
Sorry, and besides, that ten grand will go a lot farther than it does now, once you quit rationing. Dollar amounts really means nothing. They are arbitrarily made up by the banks. "Supply and demand" is a myth. Gas prices aren't down because of lack of demand. They were set to drive off competition from the alternatives.
Bleh, you're doing just like everyone else. You won't need your damn $10,350 to 'buy' something completely made by a machine from the raw ore. You simply push a button, or speak a command. The machine will ask nothing from you in return. If you're feeling generous, put a drop of oil on its third joint there... ahhh much better... thanks!
:-) I never dreamed that in my lifetime I would see the day when people believe that eliminating the need to be a slave to somebody is a bad thing. Is this why we still enjoy 10,000 year old technology and thinking today? We are definitely living in a sadomasochist world. It's the only explanation left after throwing out all the others for being dead-ends.
Why do you need a 'job' if a machine can produce anything you need for nothing? And that includes growing your food and building your house, and maybe even building yourself a little island wherever you want to be at that moment. I thought this would be the goal, to eliminate the the need for you to "run an engine lathe eight unfucking hours a day"..
*sigh*. You all definitely make it very clear why there can be problems with automation. You look through the tiny peephole of your little boxes. You dig two miles deep and declare that's all there is. You utterly fail to see why an 'economy' becomes obsolete with the lack of human effort needed to sustain and prosper. I don't know how to be more obvious, not in a nice way that you would let your children read.
Every animal affects its environment, and that has nothing to do with this, which is a man made environment to begin with. And it is being ruthlessly contaminated by powerful people. Unlike the climate this one is easy to fix.
You not making any sense and haven't understood a word I said. Even with today's technology all 7.5 billion of us could live like kings and queens. It is pure pure greed and arrogance that prevents it. With machines doing the work, the free abundance is even more obvious. There will be no need to coerce people into performing a service for another.
Let me tell you how fucked up people are. I can't remember where I saw it, but I read this story about India where a company makes two versions of the exact same product. One looks much more glitzy and sells at a much higher price. The market for the expensive version consists of those who do not want to be seen using anything their maid can afford. This is the attitude that stills rules the world. This is why people remain sick, hungry, and poor. This is why humans still need to work. This is how they are enslaved.
We won't need to keep people employed to have a robust prosperous society. We only need to share the abundance of what we actually overproduce now. But our present economic system demands that it be discarded and destroyed, to keep the price up. How fucked up is that?
Well, I am really just talking about energy, and I was off by a few years. Sorry for the confusion.
Point is that machine made objects don't cost us anything(they won't in the future anyway). We shouldn't have to pay anybody if they put no effort into it and the machine did it all. I think what people are scared of is the their precious capitalism will become obsolete, and their social/economic privileges and advantages will vanish. So they spread FUD that we will starve if we don't keep making trinkets for them.
"limited resources" is bullshit. They are only limited by the human effort and will required to extract and process them. Machines can find endless supplies while we sit back and watch. And once we consume all of earth, the machines will fly off to catch asteroids and other small planets. We have enough to where we could grow at our present rate for 1400 years before we can consume all the resources of the entire solar system (2500 for the whole galaxy). So, maybe we should slow down a bit, eh?
What a bullshit question! Everything should be free then. DUH! If there is no need for work, there is no need to ration goods and services to those who can 'pay'. Human effort is the only thing that requires compensation.
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No, we just have to learn how to manage resources.
We are very close. Our society overproduces enough now (and throws out about half!) to give a very good standard of living to those being laid off, but the economic system mandates rationing (thus the waste and burn off) and perpetual growth of the population. That system will hit the brick wall.
Nope, the tailgater is always wrong, without exception. You keep a safe distance and you won't hit anything, simple law of physics. I do have the right to avoid blowing the light. If you rear end me, screw you. You were too damn close or driving too fast! I am not responsible for the people behind me in any way. I always do my best to allow them to pass if they are so inclined. You don't have to like it. Just accept it and move along.
Ah, well, that's completely different. So basically what will happen is nothing, just more poverty. And I'm supposed to blame automation for that? I guess the people with all the money better put it under lockdown so we can't use it ourselves for our own purposes.
The natural state is you have to work to stay alive.
That is true only until the machines do the work for you. You're still completely failing to understand the concept. You are unable to see past your obsolete 19th century economic model.
I am truly amazed. Nobody here has the slightest clue what abundance means, and they are so conditioned by the 'elders' to reject the entire concept as impossible, and even undesirable! Fascinating...
Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization.
If the majority of people on this planet could create a purpose for themselves there wouldn't be religion...
Yeah, and? Sounds like a good thing. They should get to work! And what's wrong with art? If you want to live a sad life, then, by all means... I have other plans
I don't care if you hit a brick wall. if you get rear ended, the guy was too close to begin with. That's what the insurance companies say, and I agree.
There's this thing called "purpose"..
Yeah? then create one for yourself. Take up knitting, if you must, but least leave the past outside with the animals
"nothing left to do"?? My goodness! How 19th century of you... Have you no imagination at all?
I leave that point for the philosophers...
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Fine! Effort.. *sheesh*..
Yes, reducing waste is a big part of the deal, and it doesn't reduce the standards of living in any way. At least a half of what we produce now is thrown away, even over there in Africa food is rotting in warehouses. Our problems are strictly managerial. I still maintain that standards of living would be much higher than you believe. Your accounting methods will no longer apply.
Who says anybody needs to 'own' them? Just build a fence to keep the occasional racoon from jamming up the works. The thing is, with machines doing everything, all of our phony economic models completely fall apart. We already know that scarcity is manufactured in great abundance to prop up the otherwise unsustainable system of the concentrated wealth/power we have today. In fact, automation creates 'communism' by default. All needs are met, no effort required. And then, we will fight wars to protect the machines that feed us. So we'd better weaponize them to protect themselves... uh oh!
Sorry, and besides, that ten grand will go a lot farther than it does now, once you quit rationing. Dollar amounts really means nothing. They are arbitrarily made up by the banks. "Supply and demand" is a myth. Gas prices aren't down because of lack of demand. They were set to drive off competition from the alternatives.
Bleh, you're doing just like everyone else. You won't need your damn $10,350 to 'buy' something completely made by a machine from the raw ore. You simply push a button, or speak a command. The machine will ask nothing from you in return. If you're feeling generous, put a drop of oil on its third joint there... ahhh much better... thanks!
:-) I never dreamed that in my lifetime I would see the day when people believe that eliminating the need to be a slave to somebody is a bad thing. Is this why we still enjoy 10,000 year old technology and thinking today? We are definitely living in a sadomasochist world. It's the only explanation left after throwing out all the others for being dead-ends.
Why do you need a 'job' if a machine can produce anything you need for nothing? And that includes growing your food and building your house, and maybe even building yourself a little island wherever you want to be at that moment. I thought this would be the goal, to eliminate the the need for you to "run an engine lathe eight unfucking hours a day"..
*sigh*. You all definitely make it very clear why there can be problems with automation. You look through the tiny peephole of your little boxes. You dig two miles deep and declare that's all there is. You utterly fail to see why an 'economy' becomes obsolete with the lack of human effort needed to sustain and prosper. I don't know how to be more obvious, not in a nice way that you would let your children read.
Every animal affects its environment, and that has nothing to do with this, which is a man made environment to begin with. And it is being ruthlessly contaminated by powerful people. Unlike the climate this one is easy to fix.
You not making any sense and haven't understood a word I said. Even with today's technology all 7.5 billion of us could live like kings and queens. It is pure pure greed and arrogance that prevents it. With machines doing the work, the free abundance is even more obvious. There will be no need to coerce people into performing a service for another.
Let me tell you how fucked up people are. I can't remember where I saw it, but I read this story about India where a company makes two versions of the exact same product. One looks much more glitzy and sells at a much higher price. The market for the expensive version consists of those who do not want to be seen using anything their maid can afford. This is the attitude that stills rules the world. This is why people remain sick, hungry, and poor. This is why humans still need to work. This is how they are enslaved.
We won't need to keep people employed to have a robust prosperous society. We only need to share the abundance of what we actually overproduce now. But our present economic system demands that it be discarded and destroyed, to keep the price up. How fucked up is that?
Funny how nobody gave Afghanistan the same benefit of the doubt, and with just as flimsy of 'evidence'. Surrounded by a bunch of damn hypocrites.
And watch what happens now...
As long as they aren't consuming human resources, who cares?
Well, I am really just talking about energy, and I was off by a few years. Sorry for the confusion.
Point is that machine made objects don't cost us anything(they won't in the future anyway). We shouldn't have to pay anybody if they put no effort into it and the machine did it all. I think what people are scared of is the their precious capitalism will become obsolete, and their social/economic privileges and advantages will vanish. So they spread FUD that we will starve if we don't keep making trinkets for them.
Patience, there is more on the way. And if you're in a hurry you can always roll yer own
"limited resources" is bullshit. They are only limited by the human effort and will required to extract and process them. Machines can find endless supplies while we sit back and watch. And once we consume all of earth, the machines will fly off to catch asteroids and other small planets. We have enough to where we could grow at our present rate for 1400 years before we can consume all the resources of the entire solar system (2500 for the whole galaxy). So, maybe we should slow down a bit, eh?
What a bullshit question! Everything should be free then. DUH! If there is no need for work, there is no need to ration goods and services to those who can 'pay'. Human effort is the only thing that requires compensation.