I believe that init should send SIGTERM, not SIGKILL..plus, Enlightenment should catch the SIGPIPE from when xdm gets shut down and save its settings then..
(IIRC, init sends SIGTERM, waits a few secs so programs can exit cleanly, and then sends SIGKILL)
I think that making widget positions part of the theme is on the TODO list--for 2.0. It would be yet another major architectural change, and I think they wanted the new GTK+ out this century..;)
Gnome works OK on a Pentium 166 with 48 megabytes. Of course, everything starts thrashing if I use Netscape for more than 20 minutes (at which point Netscape has usually expanded to all my RAM and about half my swap) or run three simultaneous compiles but that's not Gnome..;) -- and I'm running a Pixmap theme.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled Libertarian ranting.. (actually, they don't seem to be doing much ranting on this topic. At least I assume not since most of the rants I see are in favor of this law...I'd think one of the few things that I can agree with the Libertarians on is that the ACLU is a Good Thing[tm])
No. Object files are a compiled.cc file. Precompiled headers are a compiled.h file. (more or less;) ). AFAIK gcc doesn't support this..not an issue for me but evidently it is for him. (/me wonders why no-one's added it to gcc yet..)
I've used some Windows compilers. Precompiled headers are nice. I guess that he feels they're essential.
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Hmm, the last time I did Windows programming I remember encountering an odd bug..my program was mysteriously segfaulting in a location where no segfault should occur. Reliably. I made no changes to the code, recompiled it, and *it worked*. Of course, finding what was going on was made more difficult by the fact that my debugger would periodically crash (and since in Windows the compiler, editor, and debugger are one, this took down all my work..) And naturally, after 30-50% of those crashes, Windows decided to bluescreen..
I prefer a system where the compiler, debugger are less buggy than my program.
There is also a GNU/Hurd system--and for a while the cygwin tools were called gnu-win32. There was also a thread on debian-devel recently about starting GNU/Solaris and GNU/FreeBSD distros. I think the Debian Weekly News has more info..
ddd is pretty but I prefer debuggers that crash less frequently than my program (it's the reason I've sworn off Windows programming unless I'm getting paid.:-) )
Actually, not quite. IANAL--but I believe that if I was in court for a traffic violation and the opposing lawyer asked me whether I had ever gone to Africa and I lied, they could only nail me for perjury if they could prove that going to Africa had something to do with whether I was driving 50 MPH in a 35 MPH zone. (not that I would lie about it but we're being hypothetical here;) ).
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Errm, I have a number of non-free programs installed on my system. vrms reports around 20-30 non-free packages. I installed them the same way I install any other package, off the FTP archive. They aren't included on the official CDs but aside from that it's just as easy to install them as anything else.
If you want the latest, fanciest gadgets, upgrade to the unstable distro. ("potato"). Debian's stable release is for people who are conerned about being as bug-free as possible--not only in terms of programs but in the packaging; most unstability in potato comes from someone uploading packages that were miscompiled, or with broken config scripts, or other weirdness. (I've had to do init=/bin/sh and other interesting things a couple times to get into my system after several really bad packages).
I wouldn't go that far, but Netscape for Linux is a disgrace to the company that wrote it..it singlehandedly manages to send me deep into my swap partition every time I do something nontrivial with it. Switching windows is like watching paint peel since it almost always has to thrash around to find where it was a moment ago. And there's a really irritating latency in the widget set. But I think I can put up with it till Mozilla comes out.
As for window-managers..I wrote a set of scripts that modified the Debian X setup for my parents so that each user had a windowmanager-config file and could tweak it with a cute graphical tool. The same could be done for almost anything.
Actually, my understanding is that he is responsible for merging patches into the final 'official' kernel. Calling him 'the spider in the middle of the web' is entirely factual and not at all a religious reference.:-)
I thought that newspapers generally didn't charge much over the cost of printing and made money on ads, anyway. Since there's no cost of printing on the Internet..
I have kernel-package installed and I really am into having as much stuff as possible on my system registered with dpkg (I even make WindowMaker themes into.debs), but I don't know why I would want to use kernel-package? What are the benefits over make install, given that kernels only install a couple of files in/boot and a directory in/lib/modules?
Oops. Write that down to comment confusion, I'm having some trouble keeping the threads separate and I must have gotten confused about where this one came from..
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I believe that init should send SIGTERM, not SIGKILL..plus, Enlightenment should catch the SIGPIPE from when xdm gets shut down and save its settings then..
(IIRC, init sends SIGTERM, waits a few secs so programs can exit cleanly, and then sends SIGKILL)
Daniel
I think that making widget positions part of the theme is on the TODO list--for 2.0. It would be yet another major architectural change, and I think they wanted the new GTK+ out this century.. ;)
Daniel
Gnome works OK on a Pentium 166 with 48 megabytes. Of course, everything starts thrashing if I use Netscape for more than 20 minutes (at which point Netscape has usually expanded to all my RAM and about half my swap) or run three simultaneous compiles but that's not Gnome.. ;) -- and I'm running a Pixmap theme.
Daniel
Ummm, there was no Gnome 0.5. Like the ~17 days one year that never happened because the calendar was resynced.. (when was that?)
Daniel
I was wondering why we didn't hear more Libertarians cheering on the ACLU. I was looking forward to being able to agree for a change. Figures.
Daniel (not going to start a 2nd amendment thread. Worse than KDE/GNOME..)
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We now return you to your regularly scheduled Libertarian ranting.. (actually, they don't seem to be doing much ranting on this topic. At least I assume not since most of the rants I see are in favor of this law...I'd think one of the few things that I can agree with the Libertarians on is that the ACLU is a Good Thing[tm])
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No. Object files are a compiled .cc file. Precompiled headers are a compiled .h file. (more or less ;) ). AFAIK gcc doesn't support this..not an issue for me but evidently it is for him. (/me wonders why no-one's added it to gcc yet..)
I've used some Windows compilers. Precompiled headers are nice. I guess that he feels they're essential.
Daniel
Hmm, the last time I did Windows programming I remember encountering an odd bug..my program was mysteriously segfaulting in a location where no segfault should occur. Reliably. I made no changes to the code, recompiled it, and *it worked*. Of course, finding what was going on was made more difficult by the fact that my debugger would periodically crash (and since in Windows the compiler, editor, and debugger are one, this took down all my work..) And naturally, after 30-50% of those crashes, Windows decided to bluescreen..
I prefer a system where the compiler, debugger are less buggy than my program.
Daniel
There is also a GNU/Hurd system--and for a while the cygwin tools were called gnu-win32. There was also a thread on debian-devel recently about starting GNU/Solaris and GNU/FreeBSD distros. I think the Debian Weekly News has more info..
Daniel
Why reverse engineer publicly available information? Does this guy just have way too much time on his hands?
Daniel
ddd is pretty but I prefer debuggers that crash less frequently than my program (it's the reason I've sworn off Windows programming unless I'm getting paid. :-) )
Daniel
Actually, not quite. IANAL--but I believe that if I was in court for a traffic violation and the opposing lawyer asked me whether I had ever gone to Africa and I lied, they could only nail me for perjury if they could prove that going to Africa had something to do with whether I was driving 50 MPH in a 35 MPH zone. (not that I would lie about it but we're being hypothetical here ;) ).
Daniel
The key word being 'relatively'. :-)
Daniel
Errm, I have a number of non-free programs installed on my system. vrms reports around 20-30 non-free packages. I installed them the same way I install any other package, off the FTP archive. They aren't included on the official CDs but aside from that it's just as easy to install them as anything else.
Daniel
If you want the latest, fanciest gadgets, upgrade to the unstable distro. ("potato"). Debian's stable release is for people who are conerned about being as bug-free as possible--not only in terms of programs but in the packaging; most unstability in potato comes from someone uploading packages that were miscompiled, or with broken config scripts, or other weirdness. (I've had to do init=/bin/sh and other interesting things a couple times to get into my system after several really bad packages).
Oh, and potato is updated every day.
Daniel
Ah, but I think he's ahead of you there, he's attributing low educational standards to malice. :-)
Daniel
I wouldn't go that far, but Netscape for Linux is a disgrace to the company that wrote it..it singlehandedly manages to send me deep into my swap partition every time I do something nontrivial with it. Switching windows is like watching paint peel since it almost always has to thrash around to find where it was a moment ago. And there's a really irritating latency in the widget set. But I think I can put up with it till Mozilla comes out.
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If I leave Netscape open for more than 15 minutes, I start thrashing. That monster leaks like a sieve..
Daniel
As for window-managers..I wrote a set of scripts that modified the Debian X setup for my parents so that each user had a windowmanager-config file and could tweak it with a cute graphical tool. The same could be done for almost anything.
Daniel
Actually, my understanding is that he is responsible for merging patches into the final 'official' kernel. Calling him 'the spider in the middle of the web' is entirely factual and not at all a religious reference. :-)
Daniel
I thought that newspapers generally didn't charge much over the cost of printing and made money on ads, anyway. Since there's no cost of printing on the Internet..
Daniel
Funny, 166 w/o hardware excel runs at ~25-30 fps for me..
Daniel
I have kernel-package installed and I really am into having as much stuff as possible on my system registered with dpkg (I even make WindowMaker themes into .debs), but I don't know why I would want to use kernel-package? What are the benefits over make install, given that kernels only install a couple of files in /boot and a directory in /lib/modules?
Daniel
Actually, I think that you're thinking of an air-breathing patent.. :-)
Daniel
Oops. Write that down to comment confusion, I'm having some trouble keeping the threads separate and I must have gotten confused about where this one came from..
Sorry.
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