I work in a white box store and we sell AMD 12 to 1 over Intel. AMD, in my experience, has about the same failure rate as Intel, small, very small. There have been issues with Via chipsets, but few with Nforce. Some boards a quirky/pickey about memory, don't try to run cheap stuff on a Gigabyte, stick with Corsair or Kingston. Thats the biggest issue I've seen.
I have an Asus A7N8X board that has run for the last 2 years with an Athlon XP 2000+ in it. I changed it 3 weeks ago to an XP 3000+. No problems of any kind. Running Win XP on one drive(60GB Maxtor fluid bearing) and RH9 on the other(40GB Maxtor fluid bearing) ATI Radeon 9000 Pro, 512MB Ram.
That price is lowball, not fully equiped. In serious drool mode I priced out a Tyan K8Q type mobo (quad Opteron), 4 Opteron 850's, and 32 gigs of memory. On pricewatch thats over $12,000. You still need a case, PS, drives,... and thats not from vendors I would buy from based on their ratings either. Reputable vendors have higher prices. Sun of course gets the volume discount if this takes off for them.
Conflicts hell! If you have Norton Internet Security <2005, it breaks it. You have a choice, one or the other, not both. SP2 might be a candidate for another anti-trust suit based on the "possibly intentional" crippling of Norton products. Did Bill boy decide they'd made enough money fixing his crap?
I never have a problem when using Linux (RH9). Only when I surf after playing games on Win XP. I used Netscape for years on that side of the box and switched to Firefox last year. Go to any commercial site or web based email service and you will be swamoed with pop-ups. It is no longer the seedy sites that are bad. Almost any web game or contest site is worse. My wife and daughters love web games. So I kept Pop-up Stopper and it works just fine.
I never got rid of Pop-Up Stopper. It still blocks everything. Just double click on it to allow a new window when needed. Still on of the best small feebies available.
There are no secure products from M$. Never have been, never will be. The only time a Windows box can be secure is when it's only connected to a wall outlet and a printer. You know, exactly what 3.0 was designed for. The moment you hook it to anything else, there is no security. This is the way it will stay untill a complete, ground up re-write is done with NO modules brought in from the past versions.
The owner of the white box store where I'm the tech is pushing it. I just put it on every box thats in for a cleanup. Thats 12 - 30 a week, I'm doing my part.
Which is no different than 90% of the white people throughout the country before 1940. WWII exposed average American troops to people of all races, like the Gurkha's, Philipinos, Chinese, and many others that were as good of troops as any white unit. That started the changed thinking that helped the civil rights movement to take hold in the late 50's.
Do a bit of research, the original feminist movement was against abortion. The move for abortion was started by men, and fought by the feminist movement in the first half of the twentieth century.
Of course this has gotten twisted and manipulated into something else by the media. They just report what they want and very little in the way of fact. Objective journalism is an oxymoron these days for either side. It's probably better being relegated to a philosophy class than journalism.
If M$ can deliver a product that actually lives up to the hype. History tells us - fat chance. They have never deliverd a product that worked "as advertized" on the first try, not once. It normally becomes tollerable after the first service pack and then is ignored in favor of the next one which allways repeats the cycle.
Go back and read the hype about Win 95. When did they actually deliver what was promised for Win 95? I'll give you a hint, it's called XP.
Windows 1.0 almost singlehandedly created the term "vaporware" due to being years late to market, and then being a complete flop. It got usable at 3.0 and decent at 3.11.
Some people there know what the problems are and want to "just fix them". Management is too busy going off at tangents (everything that isn't Windows or Office) to pay attention. The real problem is a loss of focus by management, from Bill on down. Any company that looses focus on it's core business runs into trouble. Some survive by waking up before it's too late, some don't. With M$ cash reserves I doubt they will collapse, but it will be a completely different company in 5 years. Is this a good thing? Hope so. Lets just enjoy the ride.
For real fun, run Norton Internet security on a Win XP box with SP1 and then add SP2. You will bevery lucky if you can still get online. Those two don't play nice together at all.
Norton has been in freefall since Symantec bought it. I am using F-Prot and have not caught anything in over a year. Changed because Norton allowed one through and blew my perfect record of 11 years with no virus. I have always been careful, even paranoid, but I wasn't paranoid enough that day.
I am now a tech at a whitebox store and we use Trendmicro's housecall and F-Prot to disinfect all customer machines.
Simple solution: Google is my homepage. When I go online I'm normally looking for something so I just start there. Plenty of bookmarks for places I go regularly. No big deal at all.
As a tech at a whitebox store my thoughts on toolbars are simple. They are ALL spyware. Now before the flamers attack, Google wasn't 6 months ago, but it's pop-up blocker now lets some through(probably paid for). I have zero experience with using Yahoo, but I do lump them with the others. MySearchBar, Websearch and any similar items are all eliminated by Ad-Aware and Spybot. ISTbar is particularly malignant. When I find extra bars on any browser they get killed first as part of any cleanup. Had one customer with 8 bars insalled, couldn't read the screen it was so small, an extra $25 stupidity charge. How do you know which are not spyware? I don't have time to find out, therefore they all get relegated to the crapware dept. I tell my customers that all toolbars are crap and if you install one you will have spyware, just like clicking on any pop-up.
If this hurts anyones feelings, tough. I have boxes to clean dailey. I will say that spyware is a godsend to business, cleanups run about 70% of our repairs now. At least people are statring to buy new boxes again, that has picked up nicely in the last month. No box leaves our store without Ad-Aware, Spybot, and Firefox installed and they owner taught how and why to use them.
I had a new Dell 3.4 come into the shop last week. It was slower than our cash register box(450 PII). Of course, if any box out there had 64 processes running at start up it would be a bit slow. The customer had the box for 3 weeks. First scan with Ad-Aware = 2803 critical items. A new store record. Plus 247 on Spybot, 8 virii, 15 trojans. I'm really surprised it didn't blue screen at boot (had 2 of those last week).
M$ gets more involved with copy protection. M$ is pushing their "Media Center" version of Win XP Home. Sooner of later they will be able to break an old VCR by remote.
Why anyone would take things that work well and reliably like, TV, Radio, Stereo, and hook them to something with M$ track record for reliability, performance, and honesty.....? Are people really that dumb? With their push for DRM You will be lucky to record a commercial without paying some ridiculus fee.
That the truth. The last thing this country needs is another Federal fiefdom wasting more money than it will ever collect or save. At the state level it is easier to hold people accountable. If the states communicated with each other the ideas that work would take hold faster, and the bad ones get eliminated.
Efficiency would be helped if every Govt. Department was put on a hiring freeze until the staf was 30% smaller than today. Don't fire anyone, just let natural attrition (retirement, career change) thin it out. Half of those that leave will just become lobbyists for other ways to waste money. Just like what happens now.
The most important fact about SS is the one that everyone is ignoring in the rush to bash Bush. The prople who will have the most say in the issue do not pay into the SS fund. Members of Congress came up with their own pension plan that is paid by the taxpayers, it includes 100% healthcare for life, a pension for life (with survivors benefits for spouse), and it doesn't cost them a nickle. The pay scale is over $100,000/year.
More than half the working people in the US make less than $60,000/year.
If you make less than $135,000/year you have NO representation in Washington. They work for their own tax bracket and the higher one they aspire to!
"(if security is a concern)" If security is not a concern, he won't be a sysadmin for long. Or what his company does is so unimportant that nobody cares. Security is always a concern.
I know I'm being paranoid but am I being paranoid enough?
I do agree that the best distro is the one the sysadmin knows best, if he can teach it fast and well.
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I work in a white box store and we sell AMD 12 to 1 over Intel. AMD, in my experience, has about the same failure rate as Intel, small, very small. There have been issues with Via chipsets, but few with Nforce. Some boards a quirky/pickey about memory, don't try to run cheap stuff on a Gigabyte, stick with Corsair or Kingston. Thats the biggest issue I've seen.
I have an Asus A7N8X board that has run for the last 2 years with an Athlon XP 2000+ in it. I changed it 3 weeks ago to an XP 3000+. No problems of any kind. Running Win XP on one drive(60GB Maxtor fluid bearing) and RH9 on the other(40GB Maxtor fluid bearing) ATI Radeon 9000 Pro, 512MB Ram.
That price is lowball, not fully equiped. In serious drool mode I priced out a Tyan K8Q type mobo (quad Opteron), 4 Opteron 850's, and 32 gigs of memory. On pricewatch thats over $12,000. You still need a case, PS, drives,... and thats not from vendors I would buy from based on their ratings either. Reputable vendors have higher prices. Sun of course gets the volume discount if this takes off for them.
It blows up or becomes an instant zombie. Just like every other box Winblows is installed on.
"It also confilicts with my symantec stuff."
Conflicts hell!
If you have Norton Internet Security <2005, it breaks it. You have a choice, one or the other, not both. SP2 might be a candidate for another anti-trust suit based on the "possibly intentional" crippling of Norton products. Did Bill boy decide they'd made enough money fixing his crap?
I never have a problem when using Linux (RH9). Only when I surf after playing games on Win XP. I used Netscape for years on that side of the box and switched to Firefox last year. Go to any commercial site or web based email service and you will be swamoed with pop-ups. It is no longer the seedy sites that are bad. Almost any web game or contest site is worse. My wife and daughters love web games. So I kept Pop-up Stopper and it works just fine.
I never got rid of Pop-Up Stopper. It still blocks everything. Just double click on it to allow a new window when needed. Still on of the best small feebies available.
There are no secure products from M$. Never have been, never will be. The only time a Windows box can be secure is when it's only connected to a wall outlet and a printer. You know, exactly what 3.0 was designed for. The moment you hook it to anything else, there is no security. This is the way it will stay untill a complete, ground up re-write is done with NO modules brought in from the past versions.
The owner of the white box store where I'm the tech is pushing it. I just put it on every box thats in for a cleanup. Thats 12 - 30 a week, I'm doing my part.
Where do you get the idea that IE will improve? What in Microsofts history could lead you to that conclusion?
What have you been smoking and why don't you share?
M$ business model is amazing.
Release Alpha.5
modify
Call it a Beta
Relase true Beta with price tag
get world to pay to be Beta testers
Buy world.
Which is no different than 90% of the white people throughout the country before 1940. WWII exposed average American troops to people of all races, like the Gurkha's, Philipinos, Chinese, and many others that were as good of troops as any white unit. That started the changed thinking that helped the civil rights movement to take hold in the late 50's.
Do a bit of research, the original feminist movement was against abortion. The move for abortion was started by men, and fought by the feminist movement in the first half of the twentieth century.
Of course this has gotten twisted and manipulated into something else by the media. They just report what they want and very little in the way of fact. Objective journalism is an oxymoron these days for either side. It's probably better being relegated to a philosophy class than journalism.
If M$ can deliver a product that actually lives up to the hype. History tells us - fat chance. They have never deliverd a product that worked "as advertized" on the first try, not once. It normally becomes tollerable after the first service pack and then is ignored in favor of the next one which allways repeats the cycle.
Go back and read the hype about Win 95. When did they actually deliver what was promised for Win 95? I'll give you a hint, it's called XP.
Windows 1.0 almost singlehandedly created the term "vaporware" due to being years late to market, and then being a complete flop. It got usable at 3.0 and decent at 3.11.
Great track record isn't it?
Some people there know what the problems are and want to "just fix them". Management is too busy going off at tangents (everything that isn't Windows or Office) to pay attention. The real problem is a loss of focus by management, from Bill on down. Any company that looses focus on it's core business runs into trouble. Some survive by waking up before it's too late, some don't. With M$ cash reserves I doubt they will collapse, but it will be a completely different company in 5 years. Is this a good thing? Hope so. Lets just enjoy the ride.
For real fun, run Norton Internet security on a Win XP box with SP1 and then add SP2. You will bevery lucky if you can still get online. Those two don't play nice together at all.
Norton has been in freefall since Symantec bought it. I am using F-Prot and have not caught anything in over a year. Changed because Norton allowed one through and blew my perfect record of 11 years with no virus. I have always been careful, even paranoid, but I wasn't paranoid enough that day.
I am now a tech at a whitebox store and we use Trendmicro's housecall and F-Prot to disinfect all customer machines.
You nailed the root of the problem. This is the best post in the whole thread. It's just simple greed. The **AA's don't want to miss a nickle.
Simple solution: Google is my homepage. When I go online I'm normally looking for something so I just start there. Plenty of bookmarks for places I go regularly. No big deal at all.
As a tech at a whitebox store my thoughts on toolbars are simple. They are ALL spyware. Now before the flamers attack, Google wasn't 6 months ago, but it's pop-up blocker now lets some through(probably paid for). I have zero experience with using Yahoo, but I do lump them with the others. MySearchBar, Websearch and any similar items are all eliminated by Ad-Aware and Spybot. ISTbar is particularly malignant. When I find extra bars on any browser they get killed first as part of any cleanup. Had one customer with 8 bars insalled, couldn't read the screen it was so small, an extra $25 stupidity charge. How do you know which are not spyware? I don't have time to find out, therefore they all get relegated to the crapware dept. I tell my customers that all toolbars are crap and if you install one you will have spyware, just like clicking on any pop-up.
If this hurts anyones feelings, tough. I have boxes to clean dailey. I will say that spyware is a godsend to business, cleanups run about 70% of our repairs now. At least people are statring to buy new boxes again, that has picked up nicely in the last month. No box leaves our store without Ad-Aware, Spybot, and Firefox installed and they owner taught how and why to use them.
I had a new Dell 3.4 come into the shop last week. It was slower than our cash register box(450 PII). Of course, if any box out there had 64 processes running at start up it would be a bit slow. The customer had the box for 3 weeks. First scan with Ad-Aware = 2803 critical items. A new store record. Plus 247 on Spybot, 8 virii, 15 trojans. I'm really surprised it didn't blue screen at boot (had 2 of those last week).
Crap uses up processor time.
Thanks. My main point is that if Congress had to depend on SS it would have been fixed 30 years ago.
You have to pay into the retirement and pay some for health ins. Congress pays nothing.
M$ gets more involved with copy protection. M$ is pushing their "Media Center" version of Win XP Home. Sooner of later they will be able to break an old VCR by remote.
Why anyone would take things that work well and reliably like, TV, Radio, Stereo, and hook them to something with M$ track record for reliability, performance, and honesty.....? Are people really that dumb? With their push for DRM You will be lucky to record a commercial without paying some ridiculus fee.
That the truth. The last thing this country needs is another Federal fiefdom wasting more money than it will ever collect or save. At the state level it is easier to hold people accountable. If the states communicated with each other the ideas that work would take hold faster, and the bad ones get eliminated.
Efficiency would be helped if every Govt. Department was put on a hiring freeze until the staf was 30% smaller than today. Don't fire anyone, just let natural attrition (retirement, career change) thin it out. Half of those that leave will just become lobbyists for other ways to waste money. Just like what happens now.
The most important fact about SS is the one that everyone is ignoring in the rush to bash Bush. The prople who will have the most say in the issue do not pay into the SS fund. Members of Congress came up with their own pension plan that is paid by the taxpayers, it includes 100% healthcare for life, a pension for life (with survivors benefits for spouse), and it doesn't cost them a nickle. The pay scale is over $100,000/year.
More than half the working people in the US make less than $60,000/year.
If you make less than $135,000/year you have NO representation in Washington. They work for their own tax bracket and the higher one they aspire to!
"(if security is a concern)"
If security is not a concern, he won't be a sysadmin for long. Or what his company does is so unimportant that nobody cares. Security is always a concern.
I know I'm being paranoid but am I being paranoid enough?
I do agree that the best distro is the one the sysadmin knows best, if he can teach it fast and well.