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Firefox Breaks 25 Million Downloads
certron wrote to alert us that earlier this week, Mozilla passed the milestone of 25 million downloads. From the official site: "With a minimal set of tools--an affiliate system, a small donations fundraising system, blogs, galleries, forums, and the good old human larynx--you all are spreading Firefox to a quarter of a million people a day. More than 500,000 sites now link to Firefox according to Google--a fivefold increase from six months ago. What was just a small flame 100 days ago has since exploded
into a phenomenal demonstration of the power of open source. Tens of
thousands of devoted users and fans are a powerful and capable force of
change. We have created a special commemorative image if you would like to mark this milestone on your own site." Reader asa also wrote to mention an interview with Bill Gates from this week where the mogul was asked directly what he thought of Firefox.
25 Million Agree - IE SUCKS!
Although, the 25 million downloads doesn't actually equate to 25 million users. How many times have you downloaded Firefox? I'm over 10, that's for sure. And how many people got it from others, rather than downloading it?
I mean, it really doesn't matter, it really shouldn't be a competition anyway. If it is a good product, it will do well. Who really cares if it competes with IE? All more users really do is bring attention (very possibly malicious) to the project.
But lets hope they keep imroving it with FF1.1 and that they stick to their roadmap for future firefox releases
25,241,830 and counting to be precise ;)
Damn, knew I'd pressed it a few times too many on getfirefox.com
Someone better file a bug. CRC errors are a pain in the butt.
Problem is, he doesn't really say much other than "we have competition in many places, we'll keep working to be the best". Typical marketdroid stuff. The funny thing is that one of the things he mentions is that they'll be trying to be #1 in "Security". Heh. One can only hope...
---- Take the Space Quiz!
I read that the wrong way.
If 25 million people were downloading from your server, it would be broken too...
I know I've been using firefox for over 100 days (I think i jumped on the bandwagon around the .4 release)
has since exploded into a phenomenal demonstration of the power of open source.
I see what you're trying to say, but I don't know whether you can call this newfound popularity due to open source. When I think of firefox, It doesn't even occur to me at first that its open source. I mean, I know that it is, but thats not the first thing I think of. When I think of something like Gnome, I think of it as open source. Mozilla and friends just have a different feeling. Does anyone else think that too?
"FireFox Breaks 25 Million Downloads"
and
"Internet Explorer Breaks 25 Million Computers"
Of course, this is just a low estimate on both.
I'm a big tall mofo.
Four years of stasis.
Two years of complete disinterest.
That's some really rapid innovation, there, Bill.
Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
This may have already been mentioned, but here's a link on tweaking Firefox to make it even faster on a broadband connection. I've applied these settings and notice an immediate performance boost.
The PC Weenies: 11 Years of Online Tech 'Too
Firefox thinks about usability.
You wouldn't associate Open Source with usability even if forced to.
25 million browsers (including mine) are still unable to properly render Slashdot.
Just
Or why does it break 25 million downloads?
Ok, Firefox fans, you can stop the auto-download bots now you've made your point !!
and i am sure most of them succeeded ;-)
No mention of SFP or the guys behind it.
I like Firefox.. however its not my browser of choice and here's why..
I am constantly switching with ctrl-tab between using IE for web based crap and going throough my file system.. ctrl-tab type c:\ and bam.. you get the idea?
I like the interface explorer gives me for browsing my files. I don't like the interface FIREFOX or any other browser gives me.. Is there any way I can get that interface inside firefox? some plugin maybe?
Any thoughts?
...is likely Asa Dotzler, Mozilla's chief quality control and testing guy. Congrats to Asa, and the rest of the team. I can't imagine browsing the internet without Mozilla, and especially Firefox.
If Firefox is breaking all those downloads, then something must be wrong.
actually, competition should be great for the end user, no matter who wins, we all win. but for now, 25 million intelligent people agree, firefox rox.
When I was downloading Firefox this morning on my 2nd machine, I had this funny feeling in my gut. Now I know why.. I WAS the 25millionth person! Or maybe it was just gas....
To paraphrase into hilarity:
... Wang."
Bill Gates: "No, in fact that's one thing I like about the Microsoft culture -- is that we wake up every day thinking about
The only reason I use IE is because when I am in Windows Explorer, I like to just type in the URL, and go. Otherwise, I use Firefox. You don't know how many times in the day, I hit Ctrl+T to get a new tab, and realize I am in IE (or worse, go to do a search and see the clunky dialog box come up). I then have to switch over.
Anyone know of a way to integrate firefox without adverse effects? I'd love to ditch ie 100%, but old habits die hard, plus I'd hate to lose the efficiencies...
See my journal for slashdot ID's by year. Mine created in 2005. http://slashdot.org/journal/289875/slashdot-ids-by-year
I'm sure many people know about this, but please read the following before applying the settings mentioned in the parent article. There are other things to consider. The following is an excerpt
a ster.php#comments
The dearly beloved "run the turbines at Military Power 'til they blow up" Scribner on your staff who suggests sticking their foot through the floorboards by tweaking Firefox & setting "network.http.pipelining.maxrequests" to "30" connections (This means it will make 30 requests at once.)
Said Scribner, who is obviously a gamer & overclocker freak, _FORGOT_ to read the comments section at th4e bottom of the posting http://forevergeek.com/open_source/make_firefox_f
"#13 Great little tips, but only one problem, and that's that you're breaking servers by doing this. 3-5 requests is fine, but trying to do 30 requests at once puts some strain on the server. If two people try to access the same page at once with this set, that's 60 connections. Most httpd's are set to cut off after there are 100 connections made. So, 4 people with this set could not access the same site. I urge you to think things through before setting something like this and killing the websites you browse."
here they are:
Adblock
Session Saver
Web Developer
IE View
Target Alert
So, does anyone else notice that when a journalist gets an idea, he gets it all wrong?
The Independent: Reverend Spooner Arrested in Friar Tuck Incident - ISIHAC, Historical Headlines
GATES: We're responsible for the creation of the PC industry.
With a statement like that, what about TRS-80, Apple II, Commodore PET and others. Steve Jobs would be the man if he wasn't so closed up with his architecture and IBM was not. All Microsoft and Bill did was be in the right place when IBM had 100,000 PCs without an OS. After that they screwed their way to the top of the heap with questionable business practices to ride the wave. It was well under way long before Bill had DOS.
Microsoft even had interest in SCO to get code and make sure they didn't rival their Windows NT. Oh yes, these two companies have a long relationship more than most know.
In fact, we just announced that we'll have a new version of the browser so we're innovating very rapidly there and it's our commitment to have the best.
I guess this hints of a new browser. I wonder how much open source code and ideas it will contain. Most people, including Microsoft seem to forget that Microsoft really hasn't invented anything new. They just use other's ideas.
In a few years when the biggest market in the world runs Linux (China) we will see Microsoft in second place. It will be a glorious day when Microsoft gets a long needed lesson in humility.
A lot of my non-technical friends have recently become wise to the 'Fox.
And I quote "My internet explorer just stopped working about a month ago.. it wasnt worth the trouble, and those damn popup windows are annoying too.."
I think average Joe is starting to understand. (Incidentially, one of my friend's names is Joe)
Firefox is great, but only after installing Pimpzilla, my internet life is complete!
http://people.zeelandnet.nl/marco/pimpzilla//
If Microsoft was mass, stupidity would be gravity.
I really do not care for microsoft, but I'll definitely sitck with IE because I'd rather be safe than sorry later on and here is why: http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/02/08/spoof/inde x.php
i think other open source applications should be promoted together with firefox. people now find out that there is a better alternative. more promotion should be made to applications such as open office, and of course, linux. i hope this is a start of something better for everyone.
Live your life each day as if it was your last.
I truely do love Firefox but it's not perfect... Popups for Firefox
How the Hell did the ABC news site (the Bill Gates link) open a popup (or more accurately, a popunder) on my system? I'm using Firefox 1.0 under Solaris 2.8, and I have popups blocked....
There's room for everyone! Competition is great! I love competition! C'mon, compete with me right now, I'll enjoy every minute of it! I'm born to compete! With competition. Whom I adore.
Warning: Apple/Nintendo fangirl. Likes her electronics cute & cuddly. May be rabid.
Yes, the download-breaking bug is annoying. I'm surprised they think this is a good thing.
Remember this also: many responsible individuals, with good file management skills, have downloaded it once or twice, but actually installed and loaded it on several machines. I myself have turned roughly 25 users from the world of IE to Firefox. I have downloaded it twice.
If everybody did as I have done, then there would be ~65,000,000 users. While I realize not everybody will do this, I think it starts to make up for those that download it several times and only install it once. I think actually the number is probably about right for number of users. Many will download multiple times, many will decide that firefox is not for them, and many will share with friends. It all evens out.
Who is this that even the wind and the waves obey Him? Surely this computer must submit also!
Schools, universities and businesses that are using firefox will be adding even more users that are not included in the download count on the website. I think the number of users who have not been registered on the download count will balance or even outweigh the number of users who have registered multiple times on the count.
I've downloaded it for my work PC, many of my freelance clients and several family members as well. Since then (at least for me) there has not been ONE case of spyware infecting my computer. Viva la Firefox, baby.
That's exactly what OpenOffice.org has been advocating for months, but nobody seems to listen.
Jay | http://oldos.org
I wonder if we can make some sort of inference about the type of people like to scour the web for porn without being bogged down by a zoo of malware?
Samurai Porn? Better than falling in a pit.
is that Firefox actually works for me. I'm running a Windows 98 machine at home, and I.E. will no longer work for me, even though Microsoft says it will. I downloaded Firefox and I am now a convert. It doesn't screw up the entire operating system, and it's fast, small, and very efficient. Hats off to the Firefox developers.
It is not our abilities that show what we truly are... it is our choices.
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uh how does this have anything to do with open source? it has nothing to do with the fact firefox is open source, no one is switching because of that. they are switching because IE is a piece of shit. holla!
Blah blah blah. You forget the people who get Firefox off a CD, eiter made by a friend or bundled with a magazine. I'm sure the number of users must be more than 124 million!
about:config
browser.xul.error_pages.enabled
Set that to true
I wonder how many of those users were actually made aware of open source by Firefox, and how many still remain in the dark about open source. My fiancee was using it for months before she finally got around asking about how it was free and where it came from.
Is a vectorized fox with flames shooting out of his ass burning the world to a crisp really the image we want for firefox...? I would say that image is apt for Micr... oh nevermind...
Safari
In the same vein, i have DLed the official build about 3 times (in the last year) but have DLed the .msi release a few times, and installed on about 10 new PCs every week for about the same time :)
...
Flashblock
http://flashblock.mozdev.org/
It turns all of those flash ads into little buttons you can press if you wish to view what's there. I rarely have to even use it since most flash these days ends up being in ads. And if you visit a site that uses Flash for something important it can be unblocked. Its really the bee's knee's.
It works so well that I don't use Adblock anymore. Really its the flash ads that slow things down and honestly I think Adblock slows page rendering down anyway although I did used to be a big booster of it. When the ads come down and are then removed it makes it seem like the page is taking longer to load and this in on a 3Mb dsl line. Anyway I highly suggest people use flashblock. Ieview, cutmenus, and of course session saver which is also great.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
What was just a small flame 100 days ago has since exploded into a phenomenal demonstration of the power of open source.
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and AOL/Time Warner's money.
Actually you'd be better off using this other article called Speed up Firefox the right way. The hack you linked to is not appropiate for everybody, and can even degrade performance.
Singularity: a belief in the "God" idea with the "demiurge" relation inverted.
When Peter Jennings asks about Firefox:
-Turkey
But for those 25 million who have broken downloads, try the torrent, or the mirrors, or your best friends, or your local dentist for a copy.
Well done FF!!!11111111111
Awesome logo
#hostfile 0.0.0.0 primidi.com 0.0.0.0 www.primidi.com 0.0.0.0 radio.weblogs.com
Our friendly national telco here in Ireland, Eircom gives me a lovely warning message when I try to access it with Mozilla, some crap about others being able to see my username and password. I knew MS had our government in a headlock, but wow, this is a new low. Anyone feels like complaining, let them know ;-)
Not sure if it applies to Firefox, but I'd guess yes.
What he can't kill, he has sex on. Trent.
..that I agree with, and that is the importance of voice recognition in the browser, or by extension the computer interface in general. I think that's the next "really big thing" with computing and whichever platform gets that working well will be hard to beat. FOSS folks ignore that at their mindshare peril. CLI to GUI to VUI is an obvious natural progression. Look, even StarTrek in the 60's predicted that, because it makes sense, that's still how humans communicate. I had a small program on Mac classic back in the late 90s that had the beginnings of that, it could open and close apps "computer, start netscape", and it was *spiffy* neat. I know it exists in some forms now, just needs universal recognition of it's importance. People will like this if it works, it will be adopted rapidly if some big place like MS pushes it and FOSS shouldn't be caught in a "me too" catch up attempt when that happens, and that means not if it happens. That should be emphasized now more than a lot of other things people get excited about. Just my opinion, but step back and see how much GUI just changed the entire landscape from computers only for a few people to 1000x as many in such a short time once it became available. GUI pushed the adoption of computers to this "the masses" guy just as much as price drops did. And VUI will do it too.
The funny thing is that one of the things he mentions is that they'll be trying to be #1 in "Security".
Think about it. M$ gave birth to the multi-billion dollar security that enriches companies like MacAffey and Symantec. M$'s bug ridden, virus enabling, bloated junk has made the Windoze security industry what it is. Naturally, instead of fixing the security problems they created, M$ wants in on the largesse.
an ill wind that blows no good
about:config
.js files)
l edurl
browser.xul.error_pages.enabled
Set that to true
Excellent. One annoying feature down, it's amazing they don't put config options for things like this in a place where people can find it (ie, not typing about:config or opening
Your response did motivate me to search for another fix to another major annoying Firefox feature, the fact it doesn't show failed URLs, and I found this extension that fixes it:
http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/showfai
That's going to be immediately installed on all my machines.
Now, if only we can get more companies to make their pages Firefox compatible. CSC, Strayer University (eCollege.com), I'm looking at you two.
That's some party trick!
.. how many download Firefox 1.0.1 when it is released next week.
"What was just a small flame 100 days ago has since exploded into a phenomenal demonstration of the power of open source. Tens of thousands of devoted users and fans are a powerful and capable force of change. "
Stop it I'm about to cry...
The following statement is true
The preceding statement is false
If you, say, open Firefox to browse the web, and maybe you also open Windows Explorer (or whatever) to your filesystem, then you can do this really cool thing with Alt-Tab. You can switch between them! (You can even click the little title buttons at the bottom of the screen if your cat's on the keyboard!)
/me ducks). Do one thing and do it well is the classical UNIX way of thinking. Sure, you *can* use 'lynx' as a text editor (with a bit of code), but wouldn't it be better to use $EDITOR.
Oh, and the *really* super-groovy-cool thing about it is that the filesystem window will *automatically* remember where you are when you're Alt-Tabbing! You Alt-Tab back, and there you are, right where you left off! (Oh, and you can Alt-D to type in a different filesystem path.)
Seriously, demanding one application does *everything* is the wrong way of thinking (even for emacs...
The poster forgot to mention a couple things from the spreadfirefox.com story he copied.
One -- mozilla store has a 25% discount to commemorate 25 million downloads.
Two -- coinsforanything.com has made a cool firefox commemorative coin and has given 100 to spreadfirefox.com -- go to spreadfirefox.com to check it out.
What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
It doesn't make 30 concurrent connections to the server, so it DOESN'T put any strain on the server.
i ning-faq.html
(It can even reduce the load on the server, on some browsers, not sure how firefox handles this when pipelining is off.)
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/netlib/http/pipel
From the interview.
JENNINGS: I've heard some people say that if they were graduating from science or technology today, they'd rather work for Jobs than Microsoft. Why do you think that might be true?
GATES: Well it's certainly not the case. You found a very unusual data point there. In terms of software that's going to change lives and the most interesting software work in the world we're able to attract the smartest people and believe me, that's something that we track very, very carefully. When it comes to having the best software people, that's been the key to our success.
The Firefox article spends most of its space plugging its new series of collector's coins and encouraging users to be active in the Firefox community. The top 25 most active users, determined by, "the number and quality of the member's posts (as rated by the community), how many comments he's posted, whether or not he has engaged the community by rating other users' posts, and how much affiliate traffic he has generated for Firefox"--will be rewarded with a commemorative coin each. This reminds me vaguely of slashdot, except on slashdot the incentives (karma and moderator power) amount to essentially more credibility. Being active on slashdot is its own reward and bribes are not needed. Unrelated "perks" of the trinket variety seem to me to have very little to do with what makes Firefox important.
I suppose the open-source model needs to monetize something, when the product itself is free.
I'm still using moz suite browser on linux and I didn't get any popunders or anything with that abc interview. Of course I almost always have JS turned OFF as well, which is the single easiest thing you can do to improve security in general terms while net browsing if you ask me. I *detest* so many websites just insist you use it to navigate their pages though. It is useful but has too many exploitable aspects to it, the tradeoffs aren't worth it IMO.
while the OSS world is superior in many ways, it can always be better. This is a major one. BTW, that same mechanism could be used to flag all the OSS apps.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
"GATES: We're responsible for the creation of the PC industry."
Don't reply, I just dont need to be mod as Flamebait...
*squeak*
25 million downloads is definitely something for the Firefox team to be proud of. However, it's worth bearing in mind that with 90+% of computers running Windows, Microsoft can easily get 25 million people to download a mere security fix for IE. This means we still have a long way to go. I've been thinking a bit about the return of the browser wars a bit recently, and I think one fundamental problem for challengers to Microsoft is that they render webpages in bad faith. Let me explain what I mean by this. When, say, Opera opens a page, the designers of Opera have done their best to try to ensure that the page will render as it is intended to render. There are some bugs and problems and whatnot, but the Opera team makes a good faith effort to have the page come out well. The same can be said of Gecko, Konqueror, and almost all of the other modern engines. For engine's like those, you can read the designers' weblogs as they struggle to understand the W3C recommendations and come up with a way to satisfy those recommendation while keeping the code light and make sure that old pages still render acceptably. (Dave Hyatt's blog is particularly interesting.) Microsoft however is an exception to this trend. Microsoft, because they have a business model that focuses on introducing new features in order to entice users to upgrade, is not primarily interested in rendering a page as intended by the W3C. Instead, they are most interested in adding new features. This tendency wouldn't be so bad in itself, but even more than that, they are interested in adding new, exclusive features. For a product like Office, having a new, exclusive feature is the way to generate sales. Back when only Office '95 had wavy red misspelling underlining, '95 was the product you had to have if you wanted to use that feature. So, it makes sense that MS is concentrating on adding features to, say, Windows Media Player or the XBox. The trouble is that the whole mentality of "add the feature, put a check box on the list, move on" doesn't really work for the web. The web isn't useful if it's exclusive. The goal for the Mozilla group isn't (and shouldn't be) making Mozilla the only web browser that gets pages "right." The goal is, and should be, conforming to the way that pages out to look, and the way that pages out to look is the way that looked when they were imagined by the designers. That means no shifting standards of code. It means not just backwards compatibility, but also FORWARD compatibility. New features added to Mozilla have to "degrade gracefully" in less evolved browsers. You can add new stuff to your browser, but only if it plays well with all the old stuff already out there. MS just fundamentally does not get this. There's another well known problem caused by Microsoft's check box-itis, namely security. Security can never be a check box on the spec sheet (since it necessarily revolves around stuff you never thought of). Furthermore, the drive to add new features reduces the time you spend thinking through the consequences of old features. (Active X is of course the key example of a incompletely thought through feature. "It's like Java but more powerful!" check box sounded great, until we realized the extra power could be used to insert malicious code.) Hopefully, since Mozilla is open source, there are more eyes looking at its code, and thus more people thinking about the security implications of things one might not think of oneself. This isn't to say Mozilla or open source software is always better, just that since there's no rush to release, there's more time to think things through in theory. Anyhow, I could keep going on like this, but that's enough for now.
25 million downloads is definitely something for the Firefox team to be proud of. However, it's worth bearing in mind that with 90+% of computers running Windows, Microsoft can easily get 25 million people to download a mere security fix for IE. This means we still have a long way to go.
I've been thinking a bit about the return of the browser wars a bit recently, and I think one fundamental problem for challengers to Microsoft is that they render webpages in bad faith. Let me explain what I mean by this. When, say, Opera opens a page, the designers of Opera have done their best to try to ensure that the page will render as it is intended to render. There are some bugs and problems and whatnot, but the Opera team makes a good faith effort to have the page come out well. The same can be said of Gecko, Konqueror, and almost all of the other modern engines. For engine's like those, you can read the designers' weblogs as they struggle to understand the W3C recommendations and come up with a way to satisfy those recommendation while keeping the code light and make sure that old pages still render acceptably. (Dave Hyatt's blog is particularly interesting.) Microsoft however is an exception to this trend.
Microsoft, because they have a business model that focuses on introducing new features in order to entice users to upgrade, is not primarily interested in rendering a page as intended by the W3C. Instead, they are most interested in adding new features. This tendency wouldn't be so bad in itself, but even more than that, they are interested in adding new, exclusive features.
For a product like Office, having a new, exclusive feature is the way to generate sales. Back when only Office '95 had wavy red misspelling underlining, '95 was the product you had to have if you wanted to use that feature. So, it makes sense that MS is concentrating on adding features to, say, Windows Media Player or the XBox.
The trouble is that the whole mentality of "add the feature, put a check box on the list, move on" doesn't really work for the web. The web isn't useful if it's exclusive. The goal for the Mozilla group isn't (and shouldn't be) making Mozilla the only web browser that gets pages "right." The goal is, and should be, conforming to the way that pages out to look, and the way that pages out to look is the way that looked when they were imagined by the designers. That means no shifting standards of code. It means not just backwards compatibility, but also FORWARD compatibility. New features added to Mozilla have to "degrade gracefully" in less evolved browsers. You can add new stuff to your browser, but only if it plays well with all the old stuff already out there. MS just fundamentally does not get this.
There's another well known problem caused by Microsoft's check box-itis, namely security. Security can never be a check box on the spec sheet (since it necessarily revolves around stuff you never thought of). Furthermore, the drive to add new features reduces the time you spend thinking through the consequences of old features. (Active X is of course the key example of a incompletely thought through feature. "It's like Java but more powerful!" check box sounded great, until we realized the extra power could be used to insert malicious code.) Hopefully, since Mozilla is open source, there are more eyes looking at its code, and thus more people thinking about the security implications of things one might not think of oneself. This isn't to say Mozilla or open source software is always better, just that since there's no rush to release, there's more time to think things through in theory.
Anyhow, I could keep going on like this, but that's enough for now.
I agree that the 25 million figure is pretty meaningless, however, there could be much more users than that - and given the fact that I already get about 15% of hits from Firefox, I'm pretty sure there are more than 25 million of users - simply because 15% of the Internet is more than 25 million...
Think of what they can do with (Dr. Evil pinky laugh) $25 MILLION DOLLARS.
- Just my $0.02, take with a grain of salt, your mileage may vary.
Phenomenal?
It took them 7 years to get this far.
Don't get me wrong, I use Firefox every day. But let's remember Firefox was not
the primary goal of the Mozilla Project, but a fluke messaround of a couple of
engineers to strip the browser down from an unweildy "suite" to what people want:
an IE replacement.
If Mozilla weren't being so contrary in the very beginning and decided to go the
route diametrically opposite to competing with IE, we'd have been there years ago.
Neko
Bill sez: "Also the idea of how the phone and the PC are coming together. Where you will be able to see the calls that you missed, or even when your phone rings see immediately who that is that's calling, or control how that is forwarded, or even set it up so that the screen is part of your interaction. We are seeing that as increasingly important and are putting a lot of research into that."
I loved this part of the interview. "Will be able to?" Like when, the next time someone calls my Nokia cell phone and their number is displayed on my PowerBook screen via Bluetooth and the Address Book? And then maybe I will even get the option to send the caller to voicemail FROM MY COMPUTER?! WOW!
Hey, maybe Microsoft will even come up with a program that will pause the music on my computer when someone calls me. Or logs missed calls in my phone's calendar? Now that would be cool. Just like Salling Clicker.
Microsoft: yesterday's technology, today. Still.
Really, all I could do is laugh at this one. How do you Windows people deal with it?
*Hits Ctrl-C*
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
Brings up the tree mode of Windows Explorer. Even handier. (In truth I too use win+r more often. But I use a cygwin command line and cygstart most of all.)
It's rare that you're presented with a knob whose only two positions are Make History and Flee Your Glorious Destiny.
Where did you get that FUD! The one big thing and the simplest security feature that keeps RedHat more secure over Windows is it is built and configured for users NOT to run as Administrator. This is the biggest screw up of MS. 80% of the spyware anf virus out there will not load unless you are running under and Admin or Root account. Try to install something on a RH box. See if you don't get a window asking for the root password. The default set up of Windows makes the default user an Administrator. Hell some MS programs won't even run unless you are an Administrator. You call that secure????
If Microsoft's products where the best I would buy them. Why do I use RedHat? It isn't the cost it is the built in security and realibity.
Did you ever wonder why the NSA used RedHat as its base for SELinux? If Windows is so superior why didn't they use Windows as the base of their in-house secure operation system?
As a Linux user who hasn't really used windows in quite a while....
I am constantly switching with ctrl-tab between using IE for web based crap and going throough my file system.. ctrl-tab type c:\ and bam.. you get the idea?
No.. What happens just there? It crashes?
what about Debian mirrors that do provide a version of firefox? do you think they took this in account ?
apt-get install firefox is so easy we used it on maybe 100 machines in the student residence...
*squeak*
I'd like to turn off autocompletion in the URL bar. I don't want to turn off my history, I don't want to set my history to 0 day retention, but I am willing to run an extension. I don't want to do these other things because they don't work and they have ugly side-effects I don't want.
Mozilla suite made it easy to accomplish this. Firefox appears to have no mechanism for doing this at all, nor do I know of any about:config preference to change to make URL bar autocompletion go away.
I don't like URL bar autocompletion because it gives away where I have been browsing. When I browse with my laptop, I'm not interested in advertising to onlookers where I've been.
Any tips on applicable extensions or settings?
Thanks.
Digital Citizen
I've been tinkering with my systems a bunch lately. New slack, new drake, suse, et cetera...
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Even Windows users who don't ever plan to use Firefox benefit from it because it forces Microsoft to do something instead of letting IE languish. Additionally, Firefox growing popularity will encourage people from coding sites dependent solely on IE.
I think that it is a win-win situation.
Bill Gates wakes up everyday thinking about Wang.
ZDNet UK has an article in which it quotes a Mozilla contributor claiming that Firefox will grab 25% share of the browser market before MS IE7 arrives. Whereas "25" may be a cool-sounding number -- "25 million downloads, 25% market share", perhaps there is a bit of head-swelling thing going on here? The article also mentions that one analyst pours cold water over the claim by saying, "The most dangerous thing that the open source community can do is think that Microsoft is stupid," I have the link to the article on my blog at: http://sundroid.blogspot.com/.
Sun and Fun
30 simultaneous connections
VS
30 connections, one at a time. Does it really matter? The bandwith is the same, you just improve time - you make the server to finish before too
hahahha he says that open source software cant be more secure than windows,hahahhahh Try to install two anti-virus on the same windows.....oh yeah! goes to hell... we have trend scan engine and mccaffe that both runs and update automatically every hour on our mail server (linux) try getting a virus through that biil gates
...it would be interesting to know how many IE downloads there have been. :)
I've been using Firefox since before the web was even invented, and the ladies flock.
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the strongest word is still the word "free"
Now we have 25 million more web surfers out there using software with KNOWN VULNERABILITIES that still have not been fixed!
Worse, they all think they are 100% safe and never have to upgrade or patch because "Open source is secure, stable and bug free".
Just for interest :-)
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Firefox Down Loads 25,000,000
So according to this article:
http://www.informationweek.com/story/sh
Firefox markey share 5%
So Number of I.E. Users (Assuming 95%) 500,000,000
Number of computers per country (Top 10 list):
1 United States 164,100,000
2 Japan 49,900,000
3 Germany 30,600,000
4 United Kingdom 26,000,000
5 France 21,800,000
6 Italy 17,500,000
7 Canada 16,000,000
8 China 15,900,000
9 Australia 10,600,000
- South Korea 10,600,000
FireFox has begun allowing popups lately.
If I want to use both Firefox and Thunderbird, is there a reason not to use the full Mozilla suite?
Will all the FF/TB plugins run on Mozilla?
Can Mozilla's UI be made more like FF instead of its Netscape-ish look?
Thanks.
Umm, it's called caller-id Bill.
next story, move along.
Why, oh why, didn't I take the Blue Pill?
Peter Jennings: I read an article coming up here on Firefox...
BillG: COMPETITORS COMPETITORS COMPETITORS COMPETITORS!!!! See? We have competitors now god damn it, so get off my back!
"It's Dot Com!"
I wonder how much one of those would go for on e-bay... Hrm
There's no place like ~/
Firefox is just a revolt for the sake of revolting. It's a phase that will pass. Who really cares who uses what browser? IE may not be as secure as Firefox right now, but that will change. It will change because IE will improve and Firefox will become vulnerable because it's becoming popular. So in essence ironically, with each person that downloads and uses Firefox, the closer Firefox comes to a security risk. I don't care how many downloads Firefox reaches, Microsoft will not let Firefox take the majority share. The more a company and it's product threaten MS, the better and harder they come back. Firefox may continue gaining share, but the important statistic is that over 70% of these very people who are part of the 25 million downloads are running Windows, a Microsoft product that is full of security holes. So as you can see, users aren't downloading Firefox because it's more secure than IE, they are downloading because everyone else is.
I got MSI and pushed it over to all my AD clients
GATES: Well certainly there is always going to be free software, and there will be commercial software. We represent one company that has commercial software and can stand behind it in terms of support and compatibility. But we have always believed that free software space will be there and will be complimentary.
Did he really say that?
Not real helpful, but I appreciate the thought:
"Sorry, links to Bugzilla from Slashdot are disabled."
Give me liberty or give me death! Long live Firefox!
Meh.
I had to reinstall FireFox because of a Window's reinstall. I bet I'm not the only one.
For a moment there I thought that somehow firefox was responsible for not correctly handling certain downloads ("breaks 25 million downloads").
...any transparency in the commemorative image?
And I bet it's broken a lot more than 25 million. :-)
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
How many have downloaded IE? When I have to use a Windows machine, I'be been sorely tempted to download Firefox.
Actually, I wouldn't mind *uploading* IE.
Swipe any text with mouse, anywhere, in any application. Middle-click on browser. Done.
Alternate approach: Swipe text with mouse, park mouse over shell, type "ly<tab>", middle click, Enter. Requires not having LyX installed, else you have to type "lyn<tab>" instead.
Or maybe you're not using Linux?
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
The owner of the white box store where I'm the tech is pushing it. I just put it on every box thats in for a cleanup. Thats 12 - 30 a week, I'm doing my part.
Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
Impressive... 25 million downloads, and they're all broken.