>Nobody knows who Timothy, Jamie, Emmet, Roblimo, and others are.
Emmet is an open source advocate who has had far less exposure than the likes of ESR and RMS.. There has been no less than two Slashdot storys on him however most were more intrested in the effort than the names.
RobLimo for the most part is unknown to me however is known to Nitrozac of After Y2K During a spat between Slashdot and Technocrats it was RobLimo and not CmdrTaco who stood up for Slashdot. (It was over the early SlashCode liccens)
Timothy and Jamie seem to be hired help... (Someone forgott to train them me-thinks..)
Slashdot has seen a lot of people come and go. Someone around here ran with a.sig crying of joy for the loss of one Slashdot author. At one time it was friends of CmdrTaco now it's employees of Andover.. I think CmdrTaco should try to stick with people familure with open source such as Emmit and RobLimo and maybe thats exactly what he is doing...
Hemos and CmdrTaco have tripped over each other long before the existing crew signned on.. As Hemos has pointed out on at least one occasion.. After reviewing 100 submittions an hour every day for years you forget stuff...
Slashdot started as a rant forum and it still is. Maybe no one noticed it before... Open source has become profesional over the last few years and thats a good thing... In comparison maybe Slashdot no longer looks as polished as it once did years ago when it was CmdrTaco alone posting rants on a collage website...
However for those who wish to have an alternitive I welcome you to MeowBBS. But don't abandon Slashdot just yet...
It was a mercy killing [Frank N Furter] It was a mercy murder [Audence] [Rocky Horror Picture show]
"I knew a guy who really loved his work.. he did autopsys... He found a hobo on a bench and did an autopsy to discover why he did... He was honnest.. Death by autopsy" [Author forgotten.. anyway I mangled it]
"He's dead jim" "You grab his wallet I'll grab his phaser" "Now give me the wallet"
-Old joke going around... The punchline was my own but I did it like 15 years ago...
"We can rebuild him.. we can make him better stronger faster and less annoying... we can make him the first 1 million doller Furbe"
Instead of a language everyone speaks how about a language NO ONE speaks... A universal language that acts is sort of a middle ground. Something the computer can easly translate to other languages.
Websites that do this could gain non-english speaking traffic while not effecting it's english speaking traffic.
Would the translation be two way? Likely not... Instead the language would be missing words and notions needed to translate a given language to it.
It would only contain words that move easly to diffrent languages and specal metawords that clarify words when SOME languages need but not all.
Web authors would be stuck with learning the language and web browsers stuck with translation... What about webchats like Slashdot? Here is where it gets sticky... An inline translation may be needed but it wouldn't be from "Language" to "Universal" instead it would be the same old "Language to Language" as converting to Universal would produce the same sillyness as babblefish and likely worse...
The reasonning behind this is people are unlikely to take the path of greatist resistence (learn a new language) or even put up with a sloppy translation (Babblefish) like the more dedicated techs on Usenet have done. Instead the avrage user will stick to websites that speak the language he/she allready knows. So in order to gain a wide audence right now websites are taking the move of setting up diffrent websites.. However many diffrent websites is also the path of greatist resistence.. in this case on the company. Translation CGI is an answer some are looking at but then you get back to babblefish results...
The answer that comes to my mind is a universal language... at first translated by CGI and later on by webbrowser... Implemented as say an HTML5 spec...
With other protocals it depends on the system... When it's just server sending data like a website universal will do the job... on interactive systems like Usenet and on-line chat english default with some clients implementing a translator...
I can just picture two people who speak say.. french.. on IRC using french to english translation and not understanding eachother due to the translator distortion
I've known people who were planning to move over 10 years ago. Inslightful people who were expecting quite a bit worse to have allready happend by now..
As he can no longer talk about technology issues then shouldn't the government burn everything they learnned from him on hacking? CNN [Mitnick schools feds on hacking 101]
>OMIGOD, Subgenius is a JOKE religion. It's FAKE. Either you are being facetious or are somekinda dense.
Hehe yeah... The diffrence between Subgenius and Scientology is the Scientologists take it sereously...
I once sat down and drafted up my own little religion... "The Great Fuzzy" aka "The furball of Cthulu" He has one commandment "Do not believe in me.." accually for those who believe in him he has a second comandment "Leave me alone"
The path to enlightenment is blasphamy... Be blasphamus and you shall become a saint:) Anyway I put the joke aside and got on with my life:)
Your right... Why use something some collage student hacked together for free when you could pay for something some collage drop out hacked together...
It's that visual basic is well.. a run time compiler basic. Basic still strikes up images of the old days of Commodore Vic20s and Apple ][ computers.. Basic just isn't that welcomed anymore...
Your right about how often the best solution is still stuck in proprietary world (for now) however Basic isn't one of those things...
Also Visual Basic.. or any basic.. is very close to open source. Sence the program must be run from the programming environment (usually) this means any given user has access to the source code.
As such it is an open only programming environment.
Last basic I used was Qbasic and it was rather robust for a basic I can only expect that Visual basic is even more robust...
It is still worrysom... nearly all programmers can code in basic but most don't... It leaves me to wonder... did he code in it becouse he likes vb or becouse thats all he knows?
In the late 1980s early 1990s some proclamed the only function of BBSes were to trade software and that the only software that existed was commertal software as such all BBSes should be made illegal.
Before that home computers existed only for cracking into government and corprate mainframes and should be make illegal as it has no practical value byond criminal acts.
Also over time computers, modems and BBSes have been accused of existing only to corrupt kids.
Basicly someone sees "A" BBS or "A" program being used for something that is illegal, "immoral" or simply dosn't conform to his/her tiny world view they condem a whole group for it...
Oddly enough had Napster not used the MP3 format people might not have jumpped to conclusions.. MP3 is such a big target of all music piracy some people have taken to calling all MP3s illegal... However I find it easyer to find talk radio on MP3s than music (Talk radio IS what I am looking for in the first place so this isn't a problem)
Mind you this makes no diffrence legally.. However the fact that he asked and was turnned down means he knew better...
Usually people who steal intelectual property don't know any better (it is a bit hard for some to grasp the idea of knowladge and data being owned) but there is a very good argument for recovering the costs and proffiting from the labor in generating the data to start with.
The person who put the bug in the code in the first place... shame on you...
The person who made the call to include a prototype in a distrobution.... ohhh bad call dude..
Thies two people will not hear the end of it for a very long time to come...
While Slashdot IS spinning the positive with "Everything is ok we found the bugs" the people who made thies mistakes will be suffering for a long time to come...
If this were a closed source project eventually the bug would be found published become known and remain cement.
This means the bug will be know to cracker and admin alike.
This being a default setting could be fixed just by changing the default. However that dose not remove the bug...
Many closed source companys wouldn't see a need to issue a bugfix...
Dangerous defaults are insidous bugs. For one they don't look like bugs at all. There is no accual defect of code the program preforms exactly as expected. The danger is the default setting not the code and most people don't even consider this when writing code as they think the user will change it for his/her own benifit.
This isn't automaticly the case. Any given user isn't going to be aware of all the options and may not be aware of a default set to "Let the crackers storm the gates.. send out a becon pulse to let them know your open and even post how valuable your information is"
How can it be a bug? I mean you can change it with out recompiling the code.. what bug?
Thats the addatude of many...
Thats why a bug like this is very likely to go unchecked. But in open source that's not a problem for very long.
RedHat made a mistake that is very easy to make.
So lets blame RedHat for doing what happends every day at every software company and software project.
In fact.. now that I think about it..... ohhh $#!+... I think I may have this bug in ZenToe...
Bugs happen... we can reduce them to a very small amount but they still exist. In the mean time we are fixing them with breakneck speed....
Why make a fuss over this? With closed source companys trying to clame open source is buggy they themselfs have known issues that have yet to be addressed.. Defects that will be with us for years to come. With open source even the insidiosly deceptive dangerous defaults are cought and fixed.
Yes there is very good reason to prase open source for catching a bug that would otherwise be an issue for our childrens children...
>We should all be passive drones, with no passiosn, no individuality, and no opinion other than what we are given by the News. Don't blink too often, act depressed, or get too excited, or you will be medicated down with the rest of us.
Ohhh no you don't... No news for you... Don't you try slipping that one over on us.. we is smart.. yah... we is knowing things like video game is of the satan ya know... No.. news teaches violents.. people copy cat murders... get ideas from news.. ignorence is bliss.. we will monitor your books as well. Only nice shiny happy thoughts
They define "aggresive behavure" as being delequent. Skipping class is violent behavure? They also point out that people get lower grades. I do not understand the "nose blast" example however my guess is this is a test of aggresive beahvure based on how long a person holds down a button. A technical trate of many nonviolent video games is the need to let go of the button QUICKLY on violent video games to mash down and hold on. As such this may end up learnning to hold buttons longer. Also the nose blast is "psudo violenet" realistic video games force the player to make a greater seperation between reality and fantacy unlike other games who allow you to be comfortable with the reality that lines and bright colors are fictional.
In the real world.. rather than the lab or in a video game.. violenent acts are done every day by kids and adults who are underprivilaged [have no computer or video game access]. While kids playing violent video games are pumping money into more and more powerful computers. They are not doing anything violent short of playing the stupid game and maybe ranting on-line.
Yes it's true... if you play ANY addictive game (like violent video games) you will tend to skip classes (in favor of the games) and drop grades.
This has more to do with how good violent video games really are. And then there are people who don't have a very good seperation of reality and fantacy (that violent video games premote) and they do not understand the attraction of such games short of learing to be violent. They imagin it as a tool for violence trainning and having imagined it that thought becomes fact to them. In the mean time we make skins of such people and blow them away in violent video games knowing full well no such death occured.
It's just annother case of "I think it therefor it's true".
He fell appart over the years so it seems. This is sad... but it dose happen... Not often enough however to consider this a real pattern... But we do look in the clouds and see dragons.. paterns in the walls... If we don't know better.. we can draw the wrong conclusions.
> AFAIK, ZIP is by far older, meaning, Phill was a pioneer. And to the guy who said that ARC was older, yep, but it did not include compression. Meaning, Phill is still a pioneer in the compression field. And even if he is not the first, its still sad to see him go.
Errr error... arc and before that lzh did compression.. lzh (if I rember correctly) compressed only one file at a time unlike arc... Zip however provided self disolving zip files... however I don't know if this was first done on Zip for Dos or on sda for commodore..
tar however dose no compression what so ever and simply archives files into one file...
>> Nearly all program files downloaded from the Internet have the suffix.zip, meaning they are compressed in the format Katz developed > Um, yeah, if you use Windows.. Windows, Dos, and Amiga and some Unix... at one time most Unix stuff was tar/compress but Unisys changed that rather quickly.. Even the Commodore 8 bit line supported Zip...
True enough it wasn't a "fully deployed" technology... Mac uses a diffrent system... Commodore 8 bits prefered lnx CP/M prefered lzh Unix prefers B2zip and Gzip... Fionet standardised on arc but eventually prefered pkpack over sea arc.
This isn't quite the same as all those "wonderful" software tools someone would write for Windows and say "There we have everyone covered"... It was originally made for Dos.. WinZip is everybit a nockoff as CP/M Zip...
It is very cold hearted to tell a group of people to not greave. Even my famaly dosn't know me byond my actions. Even the people closest to me know me for what I do. We don't know the day to day Katz... we know Katz the programmer. The guy who wrote a tool many of us used. We don't know the day to day Bill Gates but we get mad at him all the same... I'd bet in his personal life Mr Gates is probably a neat guy...
I regret never firing off an e-mail thanking him for all the work he did... I planned to... I plan to do this all the time for countless people.. But laa I'm to lazy...
He did something... and some of us wish he was around a bit longer...
Fain greaf? If you feal nothing then feel nothing... greave not.... "How cold of you.. to feal nothing for this person" such outrage is a bit sick in itself.
Diana was a bit of a socal icon and people had allready wrapped themselfs around the ongoing real live soap opra. "Oh john.. oh marsha... hay bitch what you doing what my husband" Maybe we should blame violence on TV soaps:) Sorry.. I digress...
Anyway it's one thing to ask people not to stuff it down your throat... it's quite annother to push your apathy on others...
If some co-worker isn't doing his job becouse he is thinking about the death of someone in the tech community.. kick his ass... But leave us alone to sulk... Don't tell anyone how to feel or not feel. If someone demands emotion from you... bite his nose off...
Wait... dose Squeak have any of the features I asked for? Becouse it seems to me your talking about an operating system with a very nice configurable interface.
Cool... but that's not what I asked for.. not in the slightest... I asked for an operating system that has a list of conflicting features. It seems now your talking about an operating system that has NONE of them.
I ask... Can Squeak grant apps total control AND prevent apps fron asserting any control? Now.. if yes... when an app attempts to assert control when the operating sytem is set to prevent it what happends? The application eather dose not work.. or the protection is bypased.
>Oh, please. The modern IT field is a fucking paradigm of social dynamics gone bad.
Yes I am well aware... There are a lot of problems... A much older problem is people running around with unique ideas that don't work and refuse to lissen to anyone who tells them they are wrong prefering instead to believe they alone are correct.
It is remarkably unlikely one person knows better than everyone else.
While pleading ignorence of Gresham's law... WinNT is unlikely to be a good example of that law... it's a very specal case that breaks enough market rules to make one puke...
In my own view and experences the second best becomes market standard and is then proclammed to suck becouse it dosn't work for everyone.
Why not the best? Small problem of inflated egos resulting from being the best and knowing it... product dosn't get premoted.. product dies...
>But POSIX isn't an operating system, it's a standard.
True.. Unix systems are free to ignore posix. This isn't without problems and most feel the advanages of a standard are far greater than the disadvantages...
I have writen multiplatform code with out the benifit of Posix. This one example dosn't change much... I know there are many points where Posix fails... I can code around thies problems. With Posix I don't allways need to worry about this.
Or if I wish I can allways write Linux only code. This option is not taken from me by Posix.
>If you bother to take a look at systems such as Oberon or Squeak, you'll find that they're both very feature-full and completely unrestrictive
If you can change EVERYTHING then I know ONE feature you'll NEVER have.... Consistency.. with out this writing code is a nightmare... This is why Posix was created in the first place..
>Of course there is a reason. But it may be that they're wrong.
True... They may be blindly classifying you as wrong... Or you may be doing exactly the same to them... It allmost allways makes me wonder when a person proclames a larg body of people to be wrong...
"3,000 people cann't be wrong" of course they can... However normally a larg body of people comming up with the same answer are at least close to the truth. There are occasions when a larg body of people are absolutly wrong.. in such a case there is a cause for this. Be it floating myths bad TV reporting lead poisoning in the water, coverup or marketting. There are many ways to make a larg body not think for themselfs...
I don't believe any of them apply to this situation
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>Nobody knows who Timothy, Jamie, Emmet, Roblimo, and others are.
.sig crying of joy for the loss of one Slashdot author.
Emmet is an open source advocate who has had far less exposure than the likes of ESR and RMS..
There has been no less than two Slashdot storys on him however most were more intrested in the effort than the names.
RobLimo for the most part is unknown to me however is known to Nitrozac of After Y2K
During a spat between Slashdot and Technocrats it was RobLimo and not CmdrTaco who stood up for Slashdot. (It was over the early SlashCode liccens)
Timothy and Jamie seem to be hired help... (Someone forgott to train them me-thinks..)
Slashdot has seen a lot of people come and go.
Someone around here ran with a
At one time it was friends of CmdrTaco now it's employees of Andover.. I think CmdrTaco should try to stick with people familure with open source such as Emmit and RobLimo and maybe thats exactly what he is doing...
Hemos and CmdrTaco have tripped over each other long before the existing crew signned on..
As Hemos has pointed out on at least one occasion.. After reviewing 100 submittions an hour every day for years you forget stuff...
Slashdot started as a rant forum and it still is.
Maybe no one noticed it before...
Open source has become profesional over the last few years and thats a good thing...
In comparison maybe Slashdot no longer looks as polished as it once did years ago when it was CmdrTaco alone posting rants on a collage website...
However for those who wish to have an alternitive I welcome you to MeowBBS.
But don't abandon Slashdot just yet...
It was a mercy killing [Frank N Furter]
It was a mercy murder [Audence]
[Rocky Horror Picture show]
"I knew a guy who really loved his work..
he did autopsys...
He found a hobo on a bench and did an autopsy to discover why he did...
He was honnest.. Death by autopsy"
[Author forgotten.. anyway I mangled it]
"He's dead jim"
"You grab his wallet I'll grab his phaser"
"Now give me the wallet"
-Old joke going around...
The punchline was my own but I did it like 15 years ago...
"We can rebuild him.. we can make him better stronger faster and less annoying...
we can make him the first 1 million doller Furbe"
Instead of a language everyone speaks how about a language NO ONE speaks...
A universal language that acts is sort of a middle ground. Something the computer can easly translate to other languages.
Websites that do this could gain non-english speaking traffic while not effecting it's english speaking traffic.
Would the translation be two way? Likely not...
Instead the language would be missing words and notions needed to translate a given language to it.
It would only contain words that move easly to diffrent languages and specal metawords that clarify words when SOME languages need but not all.
Web authors would be stuck with learning the language and web browsers stuck with translation...
What about webchats like Slashdot?
Here is where it gets sticky...
An inline translation may be needed but it wouldn't be from "Language" to "Universal" instead it would be the same old "Language to Language" as converting to Universal would produce the same sillyness as babblefish and likely worse...
The reasonning behind this is people are unlikely to take the path of greatist resistence (learn a new language) or even put up with a sloppy translation (Babblefish) like the more dedicated techs on Usenet have done.
Instead the avrage user will stick to websites that speak the language he/she allready knows.
So in order to gain a wide audence right now websites are taking the move of setting up diffrent websites..
However many diffrent websites is also the path of greatist resistence.. in this case on the company.
Translation CGI is an answer some are looking at but then you get back to babblefish results...
The answer that comes to my mind is a universal language... at first translated by CGI and later on by webbrowser...
Implemented as say an HTML5 spec...
With other protocals it depends on the system...
When it's just server sending data like a website universal will do the job... on interactive systems like Usenet and on-line chat english default with some clients implementing a translator...
I can just picture two people who speak say.. french.. on IRC using french to english translation and not understanding eachother due to the translator distortion
I've known people who were planning to move over 10 years ago.
Inslightful people who were expecting quite a bit worse to have allready happend by now..
As he can no longer talk about technology issues then shouldn't the government burn everything they learnned from him on hacking?
CNN [Mitnick schools feds on hacking 101]
>OMIGOD, Subgenius is a JOKE religion. It's FAKE. Either you are being facetious or are somekinda dense.
:) :)
Hehe yeah... The diffrence between Subgenius and Scientology is the Scientologists take it sereously...
I once sat down and drafted up my own little religion... "The Great Fuzzy" aka "The furball of Cthulu"
He has one commandment "Do not believe in me.." accually for those who believe in him he has a second comandment "Leave me alone"
The path to enlightenment is blasphamy...
Be blasphamus and you shall become a saint
Anyway I put the joke aside and got on with my life
Your right...
Why use something some collage student hacked together for free when you could pay for something some collage drop out hacked together...
It's that visual basic is well.. a run time compiler basic.
Basic still strikes up images of the old days of Commodore Vic20s and Apple ][ computers..
Basic just isn't that welcomed anymore...
Your right about how often the best solution is still stuck in proprietary world (for now) however Basic isn't one of those things...
Also Visual Basic.. or any basic.. is very close to open source.
Sence the program must be run from the programming environment (usually) this means any given user has access to the source code.
As such it is an open only programming environment.
Last basic I used was Qbasic and it was rather robust for a basic I can only expect that Visual basic is even more robust...
It is still worrysom... nearly all programmers can code in basic but most don't...
It leaves me to wonder... did he code in it becouse he likes vb or becouse thats all he knows?
Microsoft proclamed basic dead quite some time ago.
I can't say I have any disagreement on this..
Microsoft keeps making visual basic becouse people want it.. no biggy.. bend to the might of market demand..
However it is very unprofesional...
Visual basic is a toy...
Not the sort of thing you put your trust into...
> If it's ok to break *some* license agreements, how about we start with the GPL?
So we should go about suing anyone selling software tools used to violate the GPL?
I agree that you shouldn't violate someones Intelectial property..
But blame the theaf not the tool...
In the late 1980s early 1990s some proclamed the only function of BBSes were to trade software and that the only software that existed was commertal software as such all BBSes should be made illegal.
Before that home computers existed only for cracking into government and corprate mainframes and should be make illegal as it has no practical value byond criminal acts.
Also over time computers, modems and BBSes have been accused of existing only to corrupt kids.
Basicly someone sees "A" BBS or "A" program being used for something that is illegal, "immoral" or simply dosn't conform to his/her tiny world view they condem a whole group for it...
Oddly enough had Napster not used the MP3 format people might not have jumpped to conclusions..
MP3 is such a big target of all music piracy some people have taken to calling all MP3s illegal...
However I find it easyer to find talk radio on MP3s than music (Talk radio IS what I am looking for in the first place so this isn't a problem)
Mind you this makes no diffrence legally..
However the fact that he asked and was turnned down means he knew better...
Usually people who steal intelectual property don't know any better (it is a bit hard for some to grasp the idea of knowladge and data being owned) but there is a very good argument for recovering the costs and proffiting from the labor in generating the data to start with.
The person who put the bug in the code in the first place... shame on you...
The person who made the call to include a prototype in a distrobution.... ohhh bad call dude..
Thies two people will not hear the end of it for a very long time to come...
While Slashdot IS spinning the positive with "Everything is ok we found the bugs" the people who made thies mistakes will be suffering for a long time to come...
"Oh yeah your the Piranha bug person..."
If this were a closed source project eventually the bug would be found published become known and remain cement.
This means the bug will be know to cracker and admin alike.
This being a default setting could be fixed just by changing the default. However that dose not remove the bug...
Many closed source companys wouldn't see a need to issue a bugfix...
RedHat missed it and someone else cought it.
Dangerous defaults are insidous bugs. For one they don't look like bugs at all. There is no accual defect of code the program preforms exactly as expected. The danger is the default setting not the code and most people don't even consider this when writing code as they think the user will change it for his/her own benifit.
This isn't automaticly the case. Any given user isn't going to be aware of all the options and may not be aware of a default set to "Let the crackers storm the gates.. send out a becon pulse to let them know your open and even post how valuable your information is"
How can it be a bug? I mean you can change it with out recompiling the code.. what bug?
Thats the addatude of many...
Thats why a bug like this is very likely to go unchecked. But in open source that's not a problem for very long.
RedHat made a mistake that is very easy to make.
So lets blame RedHat for doing what happends every day at every software company and software project.
In fact.. now that I think about it..... ohhh $#!+... I think I may have this bug in ZenToe...
Bugs happen... we can reduce them to a very small amount but they still exist. In the mean time we are fixing them with breakneck speed....
Why make a fuss over this? With closed source companys trying to clame open source is buggy they themselfs have known issues that have yet to be addressed.. Defects that will be with us for years to come. With open source even the insidiosly deceptive dangerous defaults are cought and fixed.
Yes there is very good reason to prase open source for catching a bug that would otherwise be an issue for our childrens children...
>We should all be passive drones, with no passiosn, no individuality, and no opinion other than what we are given by the News. Don't blink too often, act depressed, or get too excited, or you will be medicated down with the rest of us.
Ohhh no you don't... No news for you...
Don't you try slipping that one over on us.. we is smart.. yah... we is knowing things like video game is of the satan ya know...
No.. news teaches violents.. people copy cat murders... get ideas from news.. ignorence is bliss.. we will monitor your books as well. Only nice shiny happy thoughts
They define "aggresive behavure" as being delequent. Skipping class is violent behavure?
They also point out that people get lower grades.
I do not understand the "nose blast" example however my guess is this is a test of aggresive beahvure based on how long a person holds down a button.
A technical trate of many nonviolent video games is the need to let go of the button QUICKLY on violent video games to mash down and hold on.
As such this may end up learnning to hold buttons longer.
Also the nose blast is "psudo violenet" realistic video games force the player to make a greater seperation between reality and fantacy unlike other games who allow you to be comfortable with the reality that lines and bright colors are fictional.
In the real world.. rather than the lab or in a video game.. violenent acts are done every day by kids and adults who are underprivilaged [have no computer or video game access].
While kids playing violent video games are pumping money into more and more powerful computers. They are not doing anything violent short of playing the stupid game and maybe ranting on-line.
Yes it's true... if you play ANY addictive game (like violent video games) you will tend to skip classes (in favor of the games) and drop grades.
This has more to do with how good violent video games really are.
And then there are people who don't have a very good seperation of reality and fantacy (that violent video games premote) and they do not understand the attraction of such games short of learing to be violent. They imagin it as a tool for violence trainning and having imagined it that thought becomes fact to them. In the mean time we make skins of such people and blow them away in violent video games knowing full well no such death occured.
It's just annother case of "I think it therefor it's true".
People see patterns that probably arn't there.
He fell appart over the years so it seems.
This is sad... but it dose happen...
Not often enough however to consider this a real pattern...
But we do look in the clouds and see dragons.. paterns in the walls...
If we don't know better.. we can draw the wrong conclusions.
> AFAIK, ZIP is by far older, meaning, Phill was a pioneer. And to the guy who said that ARC was older, yep, but it did not include compression. Meaning, Phill is still a pioneer in the compression field. And even if he is not the first, its still sad to see him go.
Errr error...
arc and before that lzh did compression..
lzh (if I rember correctly) compressed only one file at a time unlike arc...
Zip however provided self disolving zip files...
however I don't know if this was first done on Zip for Dos or on sda for commodore..
tar however dose no compression what so ever and simply archives files into one file...
>> Nearly all program files downloaded from the Internet have the suffix .zip, meaning they are compressed in the format Katz developed
> Um, yeah, if you use Windows..
Windows, Dos, and Amiga and some Unix...
at one time most Unix stuff was tar/compress but Unisys changed that rather quickly..
Even the Commodore 8 bit line supported Zip...
True enough it wasn't a "fully deployed" technology...
Mac uses a diffrent system...
Commodore 8 bits prefered lnx
CP/M prefered lzh
Unix prefers B2zip and Gzip...
Fionet standardised on arc but eventually prefered pkpack over sea arc.
This isn't quite the same as all those "wonderful" software tools someone would write for Windows and say "There we have everyone covered"...
It was originally made for Dos.. WinZip is everybit a nockoff as CP/M Zip...
It is very cold hearted to tell a group of people to not greave.
:)
Even my famaly dosn't know me byond my actions. Even the people closest to me know me for what I do.
We don't know the day to day Katz... we know Katz the programmer. The guy who wrote a tool many of us used.
We don't know the day to day Bill Gates but we get mad at him all the same... I'd bet in his personal life Mr Gates is probably a neat guy...
I regret never firing off an e-mail thanking him for all the work he did...
I planned to... I plan to do this all the time for countless people.. But laa I'm to lazy...
He did something... and some of us wish he was around a bit longer...
Fain greaf? If you feal nothing then feel nothing... greave not....
"How cold of you.. to feal nothing for this person" such outrage is a bit sick in itself.
Diana was a bit of a socal icon and people had allready wrapped themselfs around the ongoing real live soap opra.
"Oh john.. oh marsha... hay bitch what you doing what my husband" Maybe we should blame violence on TV soaps
Sorry.. I digress...
Anyway it's one thing to ask people not to stuff it down your throat... it's quite annother to push your apathy on others...
If some co-worker isn't doing his job becouse he is thinking about the death of someone in the tech community.. kick his ass...
But leave us alone to sulk...
Don't tell anyone how to feel or not feel. If someone demands emotion from you... bite his nose off...
Wait... dose Squeak have any of the features I asked for?
Becouse it seems to me your talking about an operating system with a very nice configurable interface.
Cool... but that's not what I asked for.. not in the slightest...
I asked for an operating system that has a list of conflicting features.
It seems now your talking about an operating system that has NONE of them.
I ask... Can Squeak grant apps total control AND prevent apps fron asserting any control?
Now.. if yes... when an app attempts to assert control when the operating sytem is set to prevent it what happends?
The application eather dose not work.. or the protection is bypased.
>Oh, please. The modern IT field is a fucking paradigm of social dynamics gone bad.
Yes I am well aware...
There are a lot of problems...
A much older problem is people running around with unique ideas that don't work and refuse to lissen to anyone who tells them they are wrong prefering instead to believe they alone are correct.
It is remarkably unlikely one person knows better than everyone else.
You are a hard man to debate...
This is a good thing...
Your arguments are hard to challange...
Your challanges are hard to dispute..
Thank you for your thoughts and ideas...
While pleading ignorence of Gresham's law...
WinNT is unlikely to be a good example of that law... it's a very specal case that breaks enough market rules to make one puke...
In my own view and experences the second best becomes market standard and is then proclammed to suck becouse it dosn't work for everyone.
Why not the best?
Small problem of inflated egos resulting from being the best and knowing it... product dosn't get premoted.. product dies...
>But POSIX isn't an operating system, it's a standard.
True.. Unix systems are free to ignore posix.
This isn't without problems and most feel the advanages of a standard are far greater than the disadvantages...
I have writen multiplatform code with out the benifit of Posix.
This one example dosn't change much...
I know there are many points where Posix fails...
I can code around thies problems.
With Posix I don't allways need to worry about this.
Or if I wish I can allways write Linux only code. This option is not taken from me by Posix.
>If you bother to take a look at systems such as Oberon or Squeak, you'll find that they're both very feature-full and completely unrestrictive
If you can change EVERYTHING then I know ONE feature you'll NEVER have....
Consistency.. with out this writing code is a nightmare...
This is why Posix was created in the first place..
>Of course there is a reason. But it may be that they're wrong.
True... They may be blindly classifying you as wrong... Or you may be doing exactly the same to them...
It allmost allways makes me wonder when a person proclames a larg body of people to be wrong...
"3,000 people cann't be wrong" of course they can...
However normally a larg body of people comming up with the same answer are at least close to the truth.
There are occasions when a larg body of people are absolutly wrong.. in such a case there is a cause for this. Be it floating myths bad TV reporting lead poisoning in the water, coverup or marketting.
There are many ways to make a larg body not think for themselfs...
I don't believe any of them apply to this situation